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Subject: Don't want to doubt you (you're the consummate CU advocate), but...

Valmas (Skeptical)
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Date Posted: 18:26:00 11/15/21 Mon
In reply to: Old Lion 's message, "Re: Brown at Columbia" on 09:53:39 11/15/21 Mon

...this is the first I've heard of this "improper" spotting of the ball, and sixteen whole days after the Yale game was played- surprised you didn't jump at the opportunity to present this information, sooner.

However, the officials are always marking the ball with the down box as a frame of reference after a no catch down; and for argument's sake, let's say it's second down and two yards to go for Columbia at their 30 yard line- meaning the down box operator is positioned at the 30 yard line with the box, right in front of the Columbia team area. So, a third down catch / no catch situation would be followed by hesitation on moving the down and distance equipment, till an on field determination is made as to the result of the play. If anything, the box operator may prematurely move forward, to the yard line of the potential catch; but there's no rhyme or reason to the box person casually taking a six yard stroll, in a backward direction. The chain operators did not move their sticks (according to your report); so, if the box person moved toward the back yard stick person, he/she would be told: "hey, you belong closer to the front stick!". Furthermore, the chain crew is an unpaid group, brought in by game management and operating at the behest of the officials on the field. The lineman is always there to direct every movement that box person makes; and that linesman at Yale was working in from of the Columbia sideline and with Al Bagnoli in his/her ear all game long. There's also a written record of down and distance for every play of the game; and that's generally maintained in the vicinity of the down box- again, right under the watchful eye of Al Bagnoli.

I'm sorry to seem objectionable, but your accounting of this event lacks credibility. Too many protocols to get through in order for what you described to have happened as such. And now you're reporting it, sixteen days after they played the game.

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Date Posted: 19:58:07 11/15/21 Mon

It happened. Watch the tape. Ask the coach. The league officials have botched many procedural items this year. All of them have been horrible, the striped shirts, the replay booth officials, and the clock officials. Equally awful.

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Valmas (Still skeptical)
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Date Posted: 20:55:39 11/15/21 Mon

Can't imagine you guys were out trick or treating and couldn't find the time to express your outrage then. You're making a very broad statement, while offering little supporting evidence.
People just can't be taken seriously when they write in about "a million bad calls" in a league that plays four games per weekend / seven weeks per year

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Roar Lions
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Date Posted: 22:08:28 11/15/21 Mon

It happened exactly as described, Valmas. The entire crew brain farted and took away an 8 yard play. Al wrote about it in his game recap that is sent to donors. It’s not why we lost to Yale but it gets to the poor quality of officials in our league. And if you require more examples, watch the last 2 minutes of the Brown game and the officials’ problems with the clock. The league needs better training and some accountability.

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Valmas (Somewhat satisfied)
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Date Posted: 23:16:39 11/15/21 Mon

Still believe these are isolated cases being cited, not indicative of a systemic problem. The case some of you are trying to make would be more palpable if you'd stay away from the hyperbole about one million bad calls. Human beings will forever be making some mistakes; whether they're coaching; playing or administering the game. Brady / Belichek / Kraft / Goodell / NFL Officials (Supposedly the best; most highly compensated; and most thoroughly trained) ALL screw up at times in matters both large and small. The imperfections make the game even more appealing; and the memories of games past more
enduring, still.

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Date Posted: 22:18:03 11/15/21 Mon

Espn announcers even mentioned it on air. Crazy thing was the down marker was still in place at correct place, official refused to even consider why it was there

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