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Subject: how about D POY


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 10:34:19 11/18/21 Thu
In reply to: Hanover Plain 's message, "Ivy Offensive Player of the Year" on 13:06:15 11/17/21 Wed

my vote is for D's Jalen Mackie

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[> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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jerrylh
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Date Posted: 13:46:17 11/18/21 Thu

Over Jeremiah Tyler??

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[> [> [> Subject: yep


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 14:22:20 11/18/21 Thu

stat sheet
https://ivyleague.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2021

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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Two Cents
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Date Posted: 14:23:36 11/18/21 Thu

I think the 2 finalists for Defensive POY should be Jalen Mackie and Jeremiah Tyler. Mackie has 86 tackles compared to Tyler with 55. I would give the nod to Mackie based on how each played in the D-P game, as well as vs Harvard (arguably the 3 best offenses in the league). Mackie had 13 tackles vs Princeton and 11 tackles vs Harvard. Tyler had 4 tackles vs Dartmouth and 12 vs Harvard. Both great players.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:30:43 11/18/21 Thu


Clay Patterson should be in the discussion as well. He's among the FCS leaders for sacks.

My gut is that the finalists will be Mackie and Tyler. But still one more game to play.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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jerrylh
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Date Posted: 20:17:58 11/18/21 Thu

With all due respect, you can't use those numbers to compare. If you have been watching Princeton, Tyler drops back into pass coverage in almost all passing situations except for a rare blitz. This is going to decrease his number of tackles. He is one of the reason's that sans Brown's Perry, Princeton's pass defense has been excellent.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I have no doubt you're correct, but...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 05:23:50 11/19/21 Fri


... that sounds pretty similar to the argument that Derek Kyler can make as well. Dartmouth's system doesn't allow him to put up big numbers either.

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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 06:04:51 11/19/21 Fri

I think we can pretty much settle this argument by saying that the “Dartmouth QB position” (Kyler passing and Howard running) is PoY.

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[> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


Author:
Old Lion (Mackie)
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Date Posted: 16:36:17 11/18/21 Thu

Mackie is a fine player but Hollingsworth did carry him for 5 yards into the end zone for a TD. One of the greatest displays of strength by a runner getting the better of a LB that I have seen in years.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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Old Lion (Thor)
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Date Posted: 18:12:05 11/18/21 Thu

Most feared DL in the league-reminds me of Warren Sapp; I am hardly a Harvard booster but Thor is only a freshman and could not be blocked one on one.

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Lurker
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Date Posted: 19:52:38 11/18/21 Thu

Agree. Clearly the most fbs-quality player i saw all year. IL interior offensive linemen better be working out hard next 3 offseasons!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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2-cents worth
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Date Posted: 12:10:50 11/19/21 Fri

Harvard's 2-deep online suggests they will have 7 of their 8 defensive Front Four returning in 2022.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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Lurker
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Date Posted: 16:36:56 11/19/21 Fri

Their entire 2deep is littered with fr and so

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 16:50:32 11/19/21 Fri

it's not the D that worries me it is the return of the top three RB's and 2 QB's. They will IMHO be the favorite next yr but too early for that. We will have all winter and spring to speculate.

Tmrow is going to be interesting, weather a bit nippy but for the league's sake I would love to see the bowl close to capacity, at least 50k plus

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[> [> Subject: Re: how about D POY


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 06:40:33 11/23/21 Tue

Tyler and Mackie were both named as one of 25 finalists for the Buck Buchanan award.

https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/11/stats-perform-announces-25-fcs-finalists-for-2021-buck-buchanan-award/

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