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Subject: I agree with BW


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:44:34 11/23/21 Tue

that the slender slinger Tippecanoe and Derek Kyler too not being on the first team all ivy is a travesty and that he should be in NYC for O POY and the person with him should be Nick Howard not Perry simply bc Perry had around 25+ turnovers and Kyler 1 not to mention Howard's 15 TDS
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[> Subject: Re: I agree with BW


Author:
Greenhorn
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Date Posted: 02:20:17 11/25/21 Thu

He's absolutely right. What else was Kyler supposed to do? The stats are astounding as is (17 TDs one INT). And if Howard wasn't so dominant running from inside the 10, Kyler would've had several extra passing TDs, and maybe even a couple on the ground.

The guy engineered critical drives late in the victories over Yale and Harvard, outshined Perry in the Brown game and dominated co-champ Princeton (16-19 with 3TDs).

The Green won in blowouts v Cornell, Penn and Princeton, so there wasn't an opportunity for stat padding. By contrast, Perry threw all game every game (often in garbage time).

Kyler should have been an easy 1st team choice over Perry, and gets my nod for POTY over Howard (who is an absolute beast and joy to watch).

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[> [> Subject: That’s a hard sell if you ask me


Author:
Go Grren
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Date Posted: 10:35:02 11/25/21 Thu


I respect your opinion, but I think it’s a hard sell arguing that Perry should not have been a first team guy.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: That’s a hard sell if you ask me


Author:
Greenhorn
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Date Posted: 18:22:50 11/25/21 Thu


If we were voting on the best QB in the league, no question, that's Perry. But shouldn't the POTY or the 1st team QB be a guy who most helped his team win?

As I say that, I am reminded that Witkowski was twice a 1st teamer (and once a POTY) when Columbia was putrid.

But Kyler was essential and magnificent for the team that won the title, and especially magnificent when it mattered. That makes this an easy choice for me.

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[> [> [> Subject: Then you should also be reminded


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:56:15 11/26/21 Fri


That flo orimalade got defensive player of the year for last place Dartmouth in 2016.

Unless you think that different rules apply to offense or at least offense qb

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[> Subject: 1991 says hi!


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:46:43 11/25/21 Thu


The Howard v. Kyler debate is pretty similar to the Nick Crawford vs. Jay Fiedler debate for first team quarterback in 1991.

Crawford was a very good I-Bone quarterback for Yale. He ran over 1,000 yards. Yale rarely threw, so I'm sure his passing numbers were unimpressive.

Then-sophomore Jay Fiedler put up great running and passing numbers for the Ivy champs. For whatever reason, the voters gave Crawford first-team All Ivy QB and Fiedler second team. Not the way I would have voted, but hey-reasonable minds may differ.

Here, Kyler's getting screwed is a problem entirely of Dartmouth's creation. The two-QB system is extremely effective and we won a lot of games with it. But guys are going to be left out or shortchanged on All-Ivy teams. Just a tough situation...

Should also point out that Jon Aljancic in 1996 didn't get All Ivy either. And I'd have a hard time believing that he wasn't a great leader either....

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[> [> Subject: QBs


Author:
ivy guy
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Date Posted: 10:43:09 11/25/21 Thu

I am sure that Kyler and Howard are gracious with their teammates and know that that combination of running & passing QBs was key to a Dartmouth championship season. Both are gifted athletes.

EJ Perry is a special talent and leader. He is worthy of the accolades he receives, despite not having a strong OL to protect him that other teams enjoyed.

Thanksgiving blessings to all you guys!

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[> [> [> Subject: if Kyler doesn't get it


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 10:52:22 11/25/21 Thu

it's the referee's fault

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[> Subject: Wake Up The Echoes -- Of Dartmouth-Princeton


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 11:09:40 11/25/21 Thu

I agree that Kyler was the logical choice for first team. I also concur that his omission was likely a product of Dartmouth's two-quarterback system. But that would only explain a hypothetical outcome of Kyler being passed over for Perry or Smith or anybody from another team.

That Kyler was passed over for Howard might be telling.

Keep in mind that coaches in any sport in any conference rarely vote in a vacuum.

I feel comfortable saying that, in most votes conducted by head coaches, the coaches first hold a conference call to discuss their own players with their peers. So in a case where a team might have an excellent offensive line with more than one individual worthy of honors, a coach might say to his peers, "The one who has made the difference in my opinion is Player A, even though Player B is also excellent." Then the other coaches at least know how the guy closest to the situation feels.

I don't know if that is how it works in Ivy football voting, but that is the default process in many sports.

So before Bruce Wood, Holtsie or GG go on any more tirades about the injustice of it all, I suggest that they do a quick check with Teevens to see if he had any input into how his peers voted.

All this complaining right now feels a bit like GG bitching about Surace changing the Princeton finale opponent from Dartmouth to Penn, before we found out that it was in fact Teevens who initiated the change from Princeton to Brown. Before you complain about how other coaches voted, talk to your own.

In either case, first world problems.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Wake Up The Echoes -- Of Dartmouth-Princeton


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 11:50:13 11/25/21 Thu

The real question is what would Fred Dutton think?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Wake Up The Echoes -- Of Dartmouth-Princeton KYLER WAS LUCKY


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:04:37 11/25/21 Thu

Fred Dutton would think, "Derek Kyler was lucky to be named second team all-Ivy. Every thinking fan knows that, when two players are named first team all-anything, the next player to be honored is honorable mention, not second team. It's only a function of a lucky tie on the first team that Kyler is second team. He should be HM."

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Would be curious


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:33:12 11/25/21 Thu

Would be curious to know what Dutton thought of Perry being named first team all ivy in 2019 as a qb when Rawlings was named a unanimous first team guy the same year.

:)

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Would be curious


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:44:30 11/25/21 Thu

Fred Dutton would think, "You know, even with all the fancy degrees, between Rawlings/Perry and Howard/Perry/Kyler, these Ivy League people aren't very good at math."

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[> [> Subject: Have to disagree


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 13:21:59 11/25/21 Thu

He was the glue that held the team together. When the do a remake of Cool Hand Luke he will play the starring role

Howard should have made first team as RB not QB

His legacy in Dartmouth football history is safe however bc he was part of the greatest single play in D football the Harvard 2019 Hail Mary after escaping disaster twice before getting off the throw
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dartmouth+harvard+Hail+Mary



Besides as I stated earlier it's the ref's fault

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Have to disagree


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:29:42 11/25/21 Thu

You can't disagree with me because I agree with you.

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