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Subject: Ivy Basketball


Author:
Penn Nation
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Date Posted: 11:55:14 11/26/21 Fri

Who do you like as the top teams?

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 12:20:35 11/26/21 Fri

Slight nod to Yale. However, the league is very balanced this year. There are no pushovers

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
Ivy guy
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Date Posted: 12:28:41 11/26/21 Fri

On a per, Harvard has great recruiting.

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[> [> Subject: Agreed, it should be a balanced year in basketball


Author:
Old Nassau
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Date Posted: 16:44:04 11/26/21 Fri

A lot of Ivy teams are already off to a good start against some basketball powers.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
IvyBallFan
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Date Posted: 20:05:16 11/29/21 Mon

Frankly, if something doesn't happen pretty quickly, it looks like the Lions, now ranked ~335, might be considered a pushover.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 12:45:33 11/26/21 Fri

The Princeton men look a bit better to me than I had expected at this early stage. Instead of battling for fourth, they might be battling for third. I give the nod to Yale.

The Princeton women need to develop a bench that can make meaningful contributions, not just minutes on the Floor. Right now, it looks like we have just one guard who can do so off the bench. And our 6'3" and bigger players need to step it up; right now none of them fit this description. Hopefully, they and others will have done so by the start of the Ivy season. Right now, Paige Morton, a frosh, looks most likely to be able to do so among this group. I can't see us winning the League or the tourney unless this happens. Contrast this with the men, where 6'10" frosh Mason Hooks is already looking good off the bench

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 12:59:08 11/26/21 Fri

Bet on the Tiger women and their super coach, Carla Berube. Fierce defense.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball (HDallmar)


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 14:50:10 11/26/21 Fri

All true. But players get hurt, sick, foul trouble, off-nights. Looking forward to developments. Cheers.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:02:30 11/26/21 Fri

Bengali loves big people.

I was in the casino elevator on Tuesday when two college basketball players got on in their team warm-ups. I was taller than both of them, so that made me good. The car stopped at the next floor where a huge teammate got on. I was trying to get a handle on his height and I'm sure tall people hate being asked about their size, but I couldn't resist asking him whether he was 6'9". He answered that he was 7'0". You can't teach size.

Later, I saw the team coach and several players playing craps together. Team bonding.

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[> [> [> Subject: The Dons v. Tark the Shark


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:16:52 11/26/21 Fri

Late seventies on a Las Vegas jaunt. A detour from the gaming tables and shows to another show: the Running Rebels v. Univ of San Francisco. Unbeknownst to me, the Dons were staying in the same cheap establishment. The next day as I walked out of my room, a maid came out of a room a few doors away, laughing as she held up a pair of the biggest sneakers I had ever seen in my life. Bill Cartwright, of course, went on to the NBA.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Excellent timing, Bengal: the Dons were in Vegas last night, & play UAB there tonight.


Author:
Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 21:39:27 11/26/21 Fri

University of San Francisco men's basketball team, led by former Columbia Lions, Gave Stefanini and Patrick Tapé, are off to an unbeaten 7-0 start; and are currently ranked 31st in the nation.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Excellent timing, Bengal: the Dons were in Vegas last night, & play UAB there tonight.


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 21:50:36 11/26/21 Fri

Cool. I did not know that.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: AND the Dons return there next Saturday night (Dec. 4), to play UNLV!


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Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 22:09:42 11/26/21 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: San Francisco


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Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 20:47:24 11/27/21 Sat

I think a lot of Columbia fans will have USF as their other team this season. Stefanini was terrific for us. Tape could have been.

I have been critical of our current coach and I think it will be a rough year, but to his credit he's got a good young core. They are better than I expected.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: But their overall end of season record, sad to say, will be even less than what you expected!


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Valmas (Serendipitous)
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Date Posted: 21:40:54 11/27/21 Sat

After last night's two point win over Alabama-Birmingham, the University of San Francisco completed their month of November undefeated,at 8-0. They play again at Nevada Las Vegas, one week from tonight, versus UNLV.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: CU Lions


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Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 22:19:33 11/27/21 Sat

FWIW, Going in to the season, my expectations were super low. Maybe five wins, with 1 or 2 Ivy wins. I now think they may do better than that. So no, Michael, I doubt they will underperform my low expectations. They may do a fair amount better. The young core is talented.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Roar: I know you're right about the talent base; hope you're right about the wins potential.


Author:
Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 23:26:03 11/27/21 Sat

Liam Murphy and Geronimo delaRosa are as outstanding a pair of freshmen basketball players as we've seen on Morningside Heights since the days of Alton Byrd and Ricky Free (circa, 1975). That said, my sense is that the men's Ivy League conference is very strong this year, from top to bottom. Whatever school wins first prize -probably, Harvard- will make some serious noise as part of March Madness; and the runnerup school may do the same in the NIT. The Columbia men will have a lot of trouble winning one league contest. We'll certainly know a little bit more about them, following the Lions' Monday night home matchup versus Lafayette; but I'll go on record now to note that if Columbia doesn't beat Cornell at Levien, they'll finish 0-14 in the conference. Of course, I've been quite wrong before- I was the dummy who thought Ty Lenhardt should've been the starting quarterback for this year's football team; and that the fellow who beat Tyler out for the starting spot would fare as well as a QB as the last Californian imported to play the position. Just for you, Roar, I hope I'm that wrong, here, as well.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Roar: I know you're right about the talent base; hope you're right about the wins potential.


Author:
Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 21:12:25 11/28/21 Sun

Mr. Valmas, you have some legit points here, but please. The Lions have a legit point guard prospect and a possible front line player in Murphy, but to put these two, after 5 games in a class with two of the all time greats is utterly ridiculous. Ricky Free was a first team All PSAL player at Boys HS, Alton Byrd a dynamic guard from California. This reeks of Columbia false hope, as usual. Look at the depth of this roster. Luke Bolster, for all his energy and leadership, wouldn't see the court for any of the Top 5 or 6 teams in the league. The other role players have yet to show they'll be contributors. You won't learn much from a game against Lafayette, you learn over a 12 game, non-league span, then you face a lot of good coaches in the league. When they start to take away a player's strengths, then you see how players hit the second gear to bring something else to the table. You're looking at possibly a 6th place finish, at best.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ghost: great points, and you're actually MORE of an optimist than I am!


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Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 12:30:30 11/29/21 Mon

Ghost:
Best stuff you've written; and I hope you're right about about a sixth place finish, because I'm looking at 0-14 and eighth- don't know how you recognize me as a promulgator of false hope?

And I loved Ricky Free (a PSAL product like, myself) and Alton Byrd. However, in 1975, when Byrd and Free were College freshmen, both were consigned to a full season of freshman basketball. Liam Murphy and Geronimo delaRosa have already played seven full VARSITY games; including one against an Atlantic Coast Conference opponent. And delaRosa's, conservatively speaking, eight inches taller than Byrd was- just about as fast, and a better outside shooter, finisher at the rim and defender; while Murphy's ready, right now, to show the Ivy League why he was all New York Catholic High School League in 2020.

I also happen to think tonight's Lafayette game will serve as a measuring stick of sorts. If you expect to beat any of your Ivy opponents this season, at least at home; you'd better be able to beat Lafayette, at Levien, in late November!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Roar: I know you're right about the talent base; hope you're right about the wins potential.


Author:
Old Lion (Some talent)
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Date Posted: 12:05:09 11/29/21 Mon

Nweke is critical; we must have him back for the IL season; but apart from him the impression I have is that a number of the younger players have potential and that there are some good athletes on the team. But I don’t think that they have gelled as a team- I see very little defensive cohesiveness and a complete absence of rebounding smarts (no blocking out, no positioning) and not much sideline in game coaching.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Roar: I know you're right about the talent base; hope you're right about the wins potential.


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 13:24:18 11/29/21 Mon

Lafayette did beat Rutgers but has lost to everyone else, bottom tier Patriot team, tonight is no indication of future success. And I guarantee you Ricky Free and Alton Byrd had better offers than this (from Murphy's recruiting profile- including Cornell, Siena, Jacksonville, Stetson, Binghamton, Manhattan and American). How about we let these kids try and develop before we anoint them as "the next........"? This would be a little more impressive (note the OFFERS) when gauging future success
https://247sports.com/player/justice-ajogbor-46048940/

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ghost: If you're going to use quotation marks, then read what I wrote.


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Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 14:32:29 11/29/21 Mon

I'll tell you, Ghost, Lafayette can't be half bad if they beat a Steve Pikiel-coached Rutgers team that played post season basketball last spring; on the road, no less.

Be mindful, too, that I wrote delaRosa and Murphy may be the best pair of first year players at Columbia in quite some time. Can you name a better PAIR of first years, in recent memory? While you're at it, I'd appreciate your take on why your alma mater stopped recruiting the PSAL.

And by the way, you're absolutely right- Ricky Free could've gone anywhere; could have gone to Virginia to play with Ralph Sampson. But Byrd had to really look up to you, Old Lion and Chet Forte- so he went where you went!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ghost: If you're going to use quotation marks, then read what I wrote.


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 14:48:23 11/29/21 Mon

Obviously, you don't know much about the rest of the college basketball world if you think this year's Rutgers team is anything close to last year's team. Why try to compare these two kids to two Columbia greats after 5 games? "May be......" invites comparisons. How about Grant Mullins/Maodo Lo as first years? Those two turned out to be great Columbia players over time but they earned their greatness over time, and were not compared to any other duo thirty years before them. If these two get ANYWHERE close to those two I'd be shocked but it would be good for Columbia.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Good names, Ghost, but where were they as freshman?


Author:
Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 17:18:44 11/29/21 Mon

Lo's obviously created a great body of work; and Grant performed well for your alma mater and at Cal. However, neither Maado nor Mullins was a full time starter as the start of their respective collegiate careers. Now what about the school you're truest to not recruiting the PSAL?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Good names, Ghost, but where were they as freshman?


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 17:44:13 11/29/21 Mon

That's correct, they were behind Brian Barbour and Steve Frankoski, Alex Rosenberg, etc. So maybe the lack of talent on this roster provides an opportunity. Your assessment of "may be....." is way too premature, considering one game was against a lowly D3 school. Who would Columbia recruit from the PSAL? The PSAL rarely produces Ivy League student-athletes in ANY sport.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


Author:
RITE AID MAN
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Date Posted: 19:40:31 11/28/21 Sun

Yale will not be in the hunt for the league title this year. Why no inside scoring no big man to rebound and score. Yale will live and die by the three this year and next.No big men being recruited by Yale next year either Bad loss today to Stony Brook the team and coach should be embarrassed the way they played.Good comeback but get use to it this is the way yale will play the season out.The entire league has bigs that can play Yale may be left in the dust this season.I wish them well.

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[> [> Subject: Never worry about Coach Jones being left in the dust.


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Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 10:15:03 11/29/21 Mon

The man's won over 300 games and headed to the Hall of Fame, for sure- can't possibly be judged too harshly on the basis of a meaningless Saturday afternoon non-leaguer in November.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 14:08:20 12/02/21 Thu

I wasn't the one proclaiming two untested freshmen as the "next..........". If you can't stand the heat for jumping to silly conclusions..............

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[> [> [> Subject: NEVER wrote that word,next. Distort my comments to soothe your lack of self esteem,Columbia hater!


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Valmas (Sickened)
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Date Posted: 20:58:42 12/02/21 Thu

You lack the testicles to ever put your name to your self serving, smug and unsubstantiated remarks. Furthermore, you're out here using at least two different handles. If you're so desperate for communication with me, put your true name out there; email me; (or, better still, forever more hold your peace!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NEVER wrote that word, but you compared them to.....


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 22:44:43 12/02/21 Thu

You compared these two to Ricky Free and one other Columbia great, what a fool! Go back and read what you wrote....

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: You ADMIT I never wrote "next", but you STILL put the word in quotes, because......


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Valmas (Steaming)
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Date Posted: 23:43:15 12/02/21 Thu

you're just a trolling Columbia hater of low self esteem and even lower testosterone level.

THIS was exactly what I wrote:

"Liam Murphy and Geronimo delaRosa are as outstanding a pair of freshmen basketball players as we've seen on Morningside Heights since the days of Alton Byrd and Ricky Free (circa, 1975)."

And I went on to mention that Byrd and Free were playing freshman, not varsity, basketball when they were of the approximate ages that delaRosa and Murphy are today. If I offered a comparison, it was obviously at the freshman level. This was written in the spirit of offering some positive reinforcement to two modern day players, working on their craft during a worldwide health emergency- something that Messrs. Byrd and Free never, and fortunately so for them, had to face during their formative years.

Regrettably, your hatred consumes you; offers you no chance to demonstrate any credibility to humankind; and just caused you to make a totally inappropriate inference.

As long as you lack the courage and basic decency to properly identify yourself, simply take your leave NOW, and I don't care if you bother to tuck your tail between your legs or not!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You ADMIT I never wrote "next", but you STILL put the word in quotes, because......


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 10:26:43 12/03/21 Fri

Sure sounds like a ridiculous comparison ("are as...") and to put that kind of pressure on kids after a handful of games shows your ignorance about basketball. Properly identify myself? LOL, that's the beauty of these message boards. Let's hope the Lions can pick themselves off the floor of the Ivy League (only based on a small sample, see how that works?) and win some games. I'll be watching for your next hilarious basketball comment.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hilarious, only to one like you, who finds it natural to offer up as hominem attacks, isn't it?...


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Valmas (Sickened)
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Date Posted: 10:58:28 12/03/21 Fri

As natural, in fact, as the breathing process, itself, when one's as much of a gutless, hateful, trolling miscreant as you surely are!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Huh?


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Ghost of 1968
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Date Posted: 20:28:13 12/03/21 Fri

No hate, but as an educator, we always look to educate. Glad we could help you on Hamidou's PSAL background and Rutgers' difference from last year's team. We'll keep trying......

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Columbia Hater: any real educator's about WHAT is right......


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Valmas (Steaming)
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Date Posted: 11:39:57 12/04/21 Sat

You're just a spiteful, self referential, cowardly, worm; obsessive about creating an ILLUSION of being right as a cover for your gross insecurity. And for the final time, the parameters of this board do not permit consideration of Hamidou Diallo's junior varsity high school basketball statistics or Rutgers University's ranking in the top 30% of Ken Pomeroy's current Division-1
men's basketball teams listing- You may find an appropriate audience for those subjects; but it's not here, Columbia hater.

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[> Subject: Is Berube The Next Tierney?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 11:15:16 11/29/21 Mon

Bengali loves big people. And he worries that the Princeton women doesn't have enough quality big people. HDallmar says, don't worry about his Princeton women because defense wins.

I'm looking forward to this season to see if the Princeton women can continue to post the same ridiculous numbers defensively as they did last year, holding teams to season-low shooting percentages and sometimes scoring single digits in a quarter, occasionally a half.

Last year might have been an aberration because Alarie was back there to clean up mistakes. Hard to judge team defense when offenses know that the interior is closed off to them. So far this young season, Princeton seems to be on track for similar numbers ex-Alarie.

This comment might be premature, but I want to be the first to raise the possibility, like Henry Blodget putting a $600 price target on Amazon in 1999. Like Blodget, I want to make the call first, even if it's early.

In my opinion, the greatest defensive coach in Ivy League history is Bill Tierney. He literally changed the way teams play defense in his sport. Carla Berube's teams are putting up Tierney-like numbers without Alarie. If Berube keeps it up, she has a chance to join Tierney in rarefied air.

And it's more difficult to create genuinely new defenses in basketball for the simple reason that there are fewer players. There are fewer players on a team and that means fewer variables, fewer buttons to push, fewer opportunities to try something that nobody else has done.

If I were Mitch Henderson, I'd have my team watch the women practice. A lot.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Is Berube The Next Tierney?


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 12:47:18 11/29/21 Mon

Will be interesting to see whether Berube leaves Princeton when the UConn jobs opens up, her alma mater, or when the Stanford job becomes available.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Is Berube The Next Tierney?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:24:11 11/29/21 Mon

Now **YOU'RE** jumping the gun, calling for Amazon $5000.

Let's wait for Berube to win her second Ivy title first. I think she will and I think, based on only a few data points (can't trust any season with Alarie in it), that Berube is that good, but she is still only a second-year Division I coach. Stanford would have its pick of any coach in the country besides the top, say, ten. Not sure that Berube would climb into that echelon even with success at Old Nassau.

Obviously, she is a "legacy" at UConn, but women's basketball at UConn is a business, even more so than it is at South Carolina or Notre Dame. The only comp on the women's side was Tennessee under Summitt. UConn doesn't just win under Auriemma; they fill seats. It's a whole different calculus. I don't think that legacy status will count for much when it comes down to a business decision.

They've taken it down now, but I still recall the 5'x 6' mural that used to be posted on the wall at my casino. Auriemma is beaming after his first national championship, still unaware of the greatness which lay in his future. His women surround him with expressions of joy. Women assistants, women coaches, women trainers. He's the only male in the picture. And there in the corner, almost invisible, is a very fetching 18-year-old freshman guard who had just hit the two free throws necessary to win the title. Beautiful picture, beautiful young woman.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Is Berube The Next Tierney?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:35:49 11/29/21 Mon

Next Tierney? I would wait awhile to see how things develop, this year and the next few at least.

I would think Shea Ralph would be a leading candidate for UCONN.

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[> Subject: To Penn Nation


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:37:10 11/29/21 Mon

And what is your take thus far on the season?

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[> [> Subject: Re: To Penn Nation


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Penn Nation
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Date Posted: 19:17:38 11/29/21 Mon

Even with two of their six losses to ranked teams, I still believe they will do well in the Ivy League.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 20:05:09 11/29/21 Mon

Maybe wishful thinking, but I’m betting that Carla will become a Tiger convert. That she remained at Tufts for so long suggests to me that money is not her paramount concern. Perhaps she would return to UConn if given the opportunity. But, I can’t see her leaving for Stanford. The big question is whether she finds a community she likes in Princeton. It is a nice place to raise her kids. Public schools there have always been exceptional. If she develops a group of close friends and a decent paycheck she might be reluctant to leave a job with a lot of noncash benefits that she can have as long as she likes.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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Acob (Is Brown playing)
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Date Posted: 15:32:04 11/30/21 Tue

Mike Martin is agreed a worthy Coach. He has eighteen players, one a Senior. That’s two team# really. How does he figure out who plays? Does this mean Brown plays in two schools at once? He will need performance if the gossip on his opponents is even two thirds correct.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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Ole Nassau
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Date Posted: 22:45:18 11/30/21 Tue

They'll figure it out.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 10:26:46 12/01/21 Wed

In her last seven seasons at Tufts, Berube was 197-24. She also coached the US team in two international tournaments.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 21:06:37 12/01/21 Wed

Tiger women beat 22nd ranked FGCU on the road in Ft. Myers tonight.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy Basketball


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The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 21:54:11 12/02/21 Thu

Gosh, Princeton has another great women's basketball team. I just hope that they go easy on the ladies from Penn and Columbia when we play them in January

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