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Subject: Valmas


Author:
Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 16:06:02 11/30/21 Tue
In reply to: Old Lion 's message, "OFFICIATING" on 12:16:21 11/29/21 Mon

Football is difficult to officiate and PI in particular generates a lot of complaining, but there were too many instances this year of Ivy officials not knowing the rules. The Harvard-Princeton fiasco is most outrageous, but the officials took away an 8-yard play from Columbia vs. Yale because no one could manage the down and distance. They just made the play disappear. In the CU-Brown game, they couldn't manage the clock. Both Al and Perry were screaming at the end of the game as the officials tried to figure out how much time was left. In several games they sent plays to the video review booth and still appeared to get it wrong.

Al complained about the officiating quite a bit in the weekly letters to donors. If you are going to attack other fans for criticizing the officiating, it must be said the Columbia coach was there first.

I think OL and Jake are on the money but even if you think it's distasteful to complain about individual penalty calls, there was a bit too much cluelessness this year. The crews need to know the rules, manage the clock, get the down and distance correct. It would be icing on the cake if after stopping the game for three minutes to review a play, they made the correct call. Better training and perhaps paying more for better crews would create a better football experience for the players (and fans).

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Author:
OLD LION (UGH)
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Date Posted: 18:42:27 11/30/21 Tue

THE SCREW UP IN THE YALE GAME WAS MONUMENTAL. This was a game which went down to the wire. Fourth quarter: We gained 8 yards on first down and had an incomplete pass on second down. We were in Yale territory and driving. So instead of 3rd and 2 somehow the idiot refs spotted the ball so that it was third and 8. So we failed to convert. Our fault? I suppose we could have converted but the odds were a lot different for 3rd and eight than for 3rd and two (which would have put us in 4 down territory). Did it cost us the game? No more than muffing the punt coverage at the end of the first half I suppose, but nonetheless it was a huge turnaround of fortunes and quite inexplicable.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Valmas


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Lurker
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Date Posted: 21:10:10 11/30/21 Tue

Thought they mistakenly made it 2nd and 10

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Ole Nassau
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Date Posted: 22:44:22 11/30/21 Tue

Yep

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[> [> Subject: Roar: 5000 Ivy League football plays in 2021; 2 Cases of Officiating Imperfection; & you want what?


Author:
Valmas (Sizzling)
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Date Posted: 16:17:50 12/01/21 Wed

Roar: If I can consider the research you and Old Lion have done to now be completed as you've made it known to us all, the Ivy League referees were correct 99.96% of the time during the 2021 football
season. You cited two legitimate officiating errors that can be substantiated by any one of us: the
down and distance play in New Haven; and the truly game altering occurrence during the overtime portion of the Harvard at Princeton game.

The timing issue during the Brown at Columbia game evolved out of a confluence of factors related to equipment malfunction and the weather- so blame the manufacturer and/or God for that one. And you surely know that coaches yell at officials as a means of staying off the unemployment line. Coach Perry could have considered spending as much time time calling out his porous defense - he may now have a bit more to show for a season in which the very best Ivy League player was wearing a Brown uniform for ten games.

99.96%. Much higher than the lifetime success rate of Buddy Teevens, or that of the illustrious Italian American league coaches many of us have been paying homage to. In fact, it can be objectively stated, that the referees have had more to do than anyone else affiliated with the Ivy League -players, coaches, league administrators, support personnel, et al- to elevate the league's professionalism and standing within the NCAA universe.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Roar: 5000 Ivy League football plays in 2021; 2 Cases of Officiating Imperfection; & you want


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 18:07:07 12/01/21 Wed

"Coaches yell at officials as a means of staying off the unemployment line."

+1.

That is quality prose.

"Coach Perry could have considered spending as much time calling out his porous defense. He may now have a bit more to show for a season in which the very best Ivy League player was wearing a Brown uniform. . . ."

A cheap shot, but a quality one.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Valmas


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Old Lion (Math)
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Date Posted: 21:14:56 12/01/21 Wed

The mere fact that some of us point out a few of the more egregious mistakes does not mean that the refs got 99.96% of the calls right. The coaches have meetings during the off-season-let’s see if they are of the school that the officiating was just peachy this year, or if they suggest that the league take steps to improve it. And sometimes you really do get what you pay for.

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Author:
Roar Lion
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Date Posted: 12:05:36 12/02/21 Thu

I wasn't going to respond to Valmas because it is such a silly argument -- they only screw up some of the time -- but the Ivy League co-champion was crowned because the officials did not know the rules. I am always happy when Harvard loses, but that seems kind of important. As does the fact that they effed up the down and distance in the CU-Yale game. If Valmas wants to say that overturning game results does not qualify as a problem, that's his prerogative. I imagine the coaches do not agree.

Also -- good to know you are "sizzling." I might have guessed "all wet." Clearly, much to learn.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Roar, you would have never made it through the Core,,,,if...


Author:
Valmas (Soaked)
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Date Posted: 12:17:53 12/02/21 Thu

your Columbia College professors held you to the ridiculous standard you want established -greater than 99.96%- for Ivy League game officials.

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[> [> [> Subject: Officials need a crash course on the rules


Author:
Shane
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Date Posted: 16:28:50 12/02/21 Thu


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