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Subject: observer:Only responding to a man who says the refs' handling of the H v. P 4th OT was "beyond" him.


Author:
Valmas (Steaming)
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Date Posted: 12:06:44 12/05/21 Sun
In reply to: observer 's message, "Re: Easy to be simplistic; hard to be simple." on 09:54:55 12/05/21 Sun

10,500 people in a small stadium CAN generate quite a bit of noise; particularly at the overtime stage of a game where the outcome of the event hangs in the balance. Add to that, ten Princeton assistants, contributing to the maelstrom, by howling their own time out requests. Remember, the granting official needs to be certain Surace's the one requesting the time out- what of the possible scenario wherein an official grants a timeout request (having mistaken the assistant coach's cry for that of the head); Surace then uses the next five seconds to take inventory; realizes he doesn't really want the timeout in that instance; and then blurts out to the referees, "I never asked for a timeout!"

What the officials did that day was "beyond" this poor fellow, not because the referees were less than perfect, but rather because he's never been on the field to have any idea what the magnitude of this situation was all about.

Moreover, this same person submitted another self serving piece a month or so ago, wherein he wrote that if one has a problem with blowout games, blame the team getting blown away! Seems to me that if he'd ever taken part in a 63-0 ass whipping, on the losing end of things, he'd no doubt remember the taste of that as not being very good.

Easy for any one us to be (overly) simplistic- very hard sometimes to make matters simple.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:33:23 12/06/21 Mon

You could also probably say that the refs' attention was on the field.

They have to watch for false start/procedure penalties, count players, keep an eye on the play clock, you know--stuff like that.

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Valmas (Sizzling.)
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Date Posted: 11:15:41 12/06/21 Mon

What happens on the field, from the moments prior to the snap till the instant the down ends, matters greatly, and can explode on you in a hurry if you're not completely tuned in. Typically, two officials line up in the backfield before any down commences; 25 or more yards away from the nearest head coach during an overtime period, and NEVER directly facing either sideline. One such official (the referee) prioritizes the quarterback and action around him at the snap and immediately thereafter. The other backfield official (the Umpire) concentrates on the snap, itself, any untoward action against the snapper and interior line play. Neither of the two backfield officials can be fixated on Bob Surace in possible observance of his potential time out request- that wouldn't be fair to the game, NOR to Coach Murphy, who may beat Surace to the punch by requesting a timeout, himself, in that situation.

So, there's a lot more going on as part of an overtime down scenario than meets the eye of an Observer, observer; or any delusional, pompous-assed Ivy League affiliate, believing the world can't do without his/her immediate input about who is to blame- for action(s) taking place on a carpet he's never in his life dared to place a toe upon!

It's to the credit of men like you, GG, who've played the Ivy League version of the game so well, that the officials aren't asked to intrude on game action more often than is already the case. And it's a tribute to the Ivy League game officials -to their level of preparedness, competence and consistency in offering maximal physical exertion and mental concentration, from down to down- that an event as took place during that fourth overtime at Princeton is just an outlier, and not more of a commonplace occurrence. As chronicled on these pages, Ivy League football officials demonstrated a 99.75% success rate on plays they monitored during the just completed season- with a number such as that on your transcript, GG, you'd have surely been asked to give the valedictory address at Dartmouth College in any of our nation's recent two-hundred and fifty years.

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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 10:31:08 12/06/21 Mon

As someone who was as close to Surace as the ref (but behind him) the pandemonium was very much ss Valmas describes, exacerbated by the limits of the coaches’ box, and much yelling from BOTH sidelines, never mind the stands. And since the game had been reduced to the closed end of the stadium, fans had moved downfield to get a better look, which is easy in the lower deck with the broad concourse.

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