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Subject: Penn OC fired


Author:
Quakers89
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Date Posted: 14:29:23 12/13/21 Mon

OC Kevin Morris let go per source.

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[> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


Author:
Asiasunset
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Date Posted: 16:18:27 12/13/21 Mon

Makes sense after the most painful season I can remember.

This will be an important hire for Penn. I’m guessing Priore has someone in mind. This has probably been in the works for weeks

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[> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor
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Date Posted: 23:32:54 12/13/21 Mon

If Pennsylvania gets a solid OC then this will be the best thing to happen to Quaker football in 5 years. I hope they do a diligent search it may expedite Penn’s recovery .

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[> [> Subject: What is the quickest way to bolster a program?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 23:58:39 12/13/21 Mon


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[> [> [> Subject: Answer


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 10:31:45 12/14/21 Tue

Transfers. And Penn has often made good use of this pipeline. It would not be surprising to see an impact transfer or two this fall for Penn. Of course, the staff is important, but the potential of a transfer's impact is something to watch for. We'll see. I do expect Penn to rebound in the near term.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:41:41 12/14/21 Tue


I get that Penn fans are unhappy, and I get that next year could be a make-or-break year for Priore.

But I sure hope that Morris wasn't let go to bring in a guy with the expectation that an impact transfer will follow him. That's the type of BCS stuff that the Ivy has strived to avoid...

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 12:48:04 12/14/21 Tue

I doubt that, nor does my post suggest it. I am talking generally as to the quickest way a program can improve itself, and referencing that Penn has made good use of transfers in the past. I don't recall any Penn transfer resulting from dismissal/hiring of an assistant coach.
BTW, as of this morning he is still listed on the coach's page, not that that proves anything.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:05:30 12/14/21 Tue

One tactic which has worked its way onto the first page of the playbook for head coaches on the hot seat is to fire an assistant coach before your boss fires you.

The thinking seems to be that you are showing your boss that you recognize the status quo is unacceptable and you are taking action.

This now happens both at the FBS level and in the NFL. By my very incomplete memory, this would be one of the first instances in the Ivy.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:23:38 12/14/21 Tue


My recollection was that at least one positional coach was let go after Dartmouth's 2008 0-10 season.

While it might have been unfair to make him the fall guy, he *was* replaced by Keith Clark a month or so later.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


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Jake (Novak)
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Date Posted: 14:26:44 12/14/21 Tue

... and I got a lot of criticism for reporting that the firing was based heavily on the recommendations from the group Dartmouth hired to evaluate the program.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sure hope that's not the reason Morris was let go


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 17:48:42 12/14/21 Tue

That season seems to keep popping up.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: As much as that season sucked...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:47:22 12/15/21 Wed


... there are definitely good lessons to be drawn from it.

As Jake reminds us, Teevens was forced to make changes. While 2009 showed only marginal improvements, the program was noticeably better in 2010.

Teams that are struggling now would be well-advised to follow the Dartmouth blueprint. I suspect that they've got some of the same issues that Dartmouth had in 2008.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: As much as that season sucked...


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 10:41:17 12/15/21 Wed

Aside from assistant coaching changes -- I have previously noted the value of Don Dobes who moved from P LB coach to DC's DC in 2010 -- how would you describe that blueprint?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: From memory...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:50:11 12/15/21 Wed


Jake can probably fill in as well as he was pretty vocal about getting Columbia to make changes to its program a few years later. But from memory the blueprint was:

1) Better assistants

2) Less micromanaging of coaching by Teevens and allowing assistants more autonomy so he could focus on recruiting and fundraising

3) Improve facilities

4) Schedule manageable OOC opponents to help team get back on its feet

5) Increase fundraising to retain quality assistants and expand recruiting outreach (i.e., take trips to actually visit players' homes and schools).

All five were implemented. I do not give them any particular order of importance because all five of them clearly contributed to the turnaround.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What is the quickest way to bolster a program?


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 10:53:07 12/14/21 Tue

Right you are. Almost all the championships Bagnoli won at Penn were won with transfer qbs. And that was before the portal.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What is the quickest way to bolster a program?


Author:
Old Lion (Norries Wilson)
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Date Posted: 07:01:06 12/15/21 Wed

NW should have fired his OC but didn’t; I always thought that with a better OC NW could have had a few more wins with offensive players like Knowlin, MA, Kennedy, Brackett etc.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Philly67
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Date Posted: 14:42:06 01/12/22 Wed

How about taking a look at Columbia OC Fabish? Im sure he would take a good hard look at returning to his alma mater.

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[> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Acob (Eyes on Maryland)
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Date Posted: 21:50:53 12/15/21 Wed

Look at the Terrapins OC staff.Prioress in discussions. Not done but a serious get who will have many. Quakes saying why did he wait. So longj".

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[> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 11:22:15 12/16/21 Thu

Acobber: Are you referring to a Md. offensive position coach? The last OC now in NFL was getting over 800k when he left Md. Position coaches around 375k, at least some of them. Potentially as significant as you say, of course.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Acob
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Date Posted: 14:11:01 12/16/21 Thu

Bengali. Present Coach

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 14:23:41 12/16/21 Thu

Ok, thanks for the head's up. Be very interesting to see what develops here.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


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Asiasunset
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Date Posted: 15:52:18 12/16/21 Thu

I share your skepticism

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn OC fired


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 19:50:20 12/16/21 Thu

Assuming a position coach at Maryland is the ideal choice, I would guess you would need a fortuitous set of circumstances to get him. I don't know Ivy football salaries, but I assume even if Penn raised its salary level for him, he would be taking a pay cut in order to become a coordinator. Penn would have to be willing to raise at least the DC's pay too, I assume.

The Md. assistant would have to believe that an Ivy coordinator position is a plus for his career ambitions -- you don't always get the opportunities that are ideal in a timely way, and sometimes never, so this may be attractive. See Norries Wilson comment when he took the HC job at Columbia. But I would think that his first HC opportunity after that would not be big-time and he would need to be ok with that. And maybe he would be, HC jobs at any college level are not easy to come by and not always attractive when the do open. See Al Bagnoli turning down Columbia way back in the day.

As far as Penn coughing up bigger bucks, I have long thought that the Administration there considers football and men's basketball (maybe wommen too, now) as first among equals if not a notch above their other teams in importance. So, depending on exactly how much we are talking about, perhaps not that much a stretch?

The DP reported in the mid-90s that alumni put together a $500,000 annuity for Bagnoli; I have seen no independent confirmation but it would not be surprising. When Carmody demanded more money from Princeton, my third hand information from a very reliable source told me alumni came up with the money. So, we will see how this turns out.

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[> [> Subject: John Reagan?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:38:25 01/12/22 Wed

I don't expect Acobber to respond. But John Reagan was OC at Penn and then went to .... Maryland as a position coach. I don't know the circumstances of his departure (two titles while he was there) although I assume he is making more $ as a position coach at Md than he made as OC at Penn. Close Penn followers may certainly know more.

If he is the target, he did live on an Ivy OC salary at one time. Sprucing up the package, one way or another, makes this possibility more plausible than I originally thought. If it is a possibility.

Idling along while waiting for the Tigers v. Tigers WBB game.

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[> [> [> Subject: P.S.


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:54:20 01/12/22 Wed

He is currently apparently a private consultant/coach for those navigating football college paths.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: P.S.


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Asiasunset
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Date Posted: 19:28:33 01/24/22 Mon

Dan Swanstrom is the new OC. Former Penn asst who has been head coach of Ithaca College the past 5 years

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: P.S.


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 20:03:21 01/24/22 Mon

Thanks. He looks like a really good choice. With his success as a Division III HC, it is an interesting move on his part. I would have thought he might be a candidate for a step up as HC from Ithaca within a few years. On the other hand, he is young and if Penn reverses its recent trend line, maybe he is heir apparent as his new boss became under Bagnoli.

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