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Subject: Re: Harvard Football’s Stolen Ivy League Title

Joe Friday
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Date Posted: 16:19:22 12/15/21 Wed
In reply to: An Observer 's message, "Re: Harvard Football’s Stolen Ivy League Title" on 15:03:07 12/15/21 Wed

Well said. Regardless of whether or not it is utilized throughout the NCAA, Article 7 controls and Harvard has very conveniently not addressed it…and the IL continues to look like an institutional buffoon given that it never researched the matter before reflexively genuflecting toward Cambridge that weekend. Harvard is bitter because Princeton failed to do the “right thing”…they didn’t do the “right thing” in the minds of many, but they made a choice that was clearly theirs to make….as if Harvard would have conceded the game if the roles were reversed - yeah, right, no doubt…the really sad thing here is that Harvard is so out of touch on this issue that they don’t know enough to be embarrassed by their continuing cringe-inducing conduct on the matter.

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Date Posted: 16:42:41 12/15/21 Wed

I don’t think that the vast majority of Harvard fans expected Princeton to “do the right thing” and conceded the game to Harvard. Harvard doesn’t have a beef with Princeton, their players or their fans. Harvard fans are irate with the inexcusable call made where a replay official conducted a review to award a team a timeout. I do wish someone would get in touch with an actual NCAA rules expert like Mike Pereira or Dean Blandino for an impartial and expert opinion on whether the timeout should have been awarded via replay. They know the rules inside and out.

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ivy guy
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Date Posted: 17:48:50 12/15/21 Wed

I have no dog in this fight.

As noted in a previous post, the Referee has the final say with all rulings. If there is a disagreement between officials, the referee makes the decision --a clear chain of command.

Article 7, logically allows the replay official(s) to intervene if they see something impactful. Nothing in Article 7 suggests that the replay officials have final authority or overule the referee (aka Head Official).

Agree that the whole situation is sad--not a reflection on the players or coaches on either team.

Tim Murphy is not the first coach to do something similar--

Steve Spurrier's declaration of the SEC Championship Team after the SEC retroactively cancelled their championship, (but not requiring forfeit of their games). This occured due to NCAA sanctions based on conduct two HCs and five years before. The SEC Champions is still painted on the stadium.

And more recently, UCF's undefeated season--including 3 wins over top 20 team-- and declaration of national championships including rings.

I am sure there are more examples.

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Date Posted: 17:28:11 12/15/21 Wed

You are hereby promoted to lieutenant. Jack Webb would be so proud.

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Joe Friday
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Date Posted: 19:00:47 12/15/21 Wed

Just so there’s no misunderstanding, Jack Webb and I agree that the right thing to do would have been for Princeton to concede the victory even though they certainly didn’t have to. Easy for me to say, I know, but it would have been a big time character and leadership move by Princeton at a time when such examples are so very rare, sadly. It would have demonstrated that there are times when you just have to step up and exceed expectations, and it would have reinforced Princeton’s (as well as the entire IL’s) reputation even more if that’s possible.

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Date Posted: 20:35:25 12/15/21 Wed

Busted to patrol. Jack doesn't even know you.

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