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Subject: Re: So just how good is Ivy Football really


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Date Posted: 12:19:21 12/18/21 Sat
In reply to: jerrylh 's message, "So just how good is Ivy Football really" on 11:29:47 12/18/21 Sat

JMU is going FBS next year, and NDSU has long been an FBS team in FCS camouflage. Each of them had only one loss. Few FCS teams can compete with them. I think the best ivy teams each year would be competitive, but we will probably never know.

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Date Posted: 12:41:45 12/18/21 Sat

Jerry, you're asking the right question, but I don't think you're looking at the best data to answer it.

All American lists might be subject to bias against schools which are less well known, play in less prominent conferences or happen to be known for academic selectivity, which tends to be negatively correlated with athletic success.

The fact is, the quality of our football has changed dramatically since the explosion of financial aid around the turn of the century. And why wouldn't it? FBS and FCS teams face limits on the number of scholarships they can offer. Because of financial aid, we do not. What was once a disadvantage for us, $, is now an advantage.

Tommy Amaker starts off every recruiting visit with, "How would you like to go to Harvard for free?" Guess what? I could recruit pretty well with that although, unlike TA, I could not bring myself to fly to Minnesota a couple times a month to watch an eighth grader play basketball just so he can see me in the stands. God bless all the grown men who earn their living this way, even if it does pay them very well.

And look at how many players we send to the NFL. It's not a burgeoning pipeline, but it's not a trickle, either.

I think the best way to answer your question is the always challenging task of constructing schedule overlaps, as Two Cents has done above. As he spells out, the data is limited, but we fare well.

There is little doubt in my mind that, over the span of, say, a decade, the Ivies will produce six, seven, eight or so teams which would win at least one game in the FCS playoffs and perhaps go much deeper. In most but not all years, our champion would have been at least a 50-50 proposition to win a game.

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