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Subject: Re: So just how good is Ivy Football really

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Date Posted: 11:44:26 12/19/21 Sun
In reply to: jerrylh 's message, "So just how good is Ivy Football really" on 11:29:47 12/18/21 Sat

Since Ivy teams are not allowed to participate in the FCS playoffs, how else can you assess how competitive they would be, unless you look at how they have played top 20 ranked FCS programs or FCS playoff teams over the years?

Ivy schools always get hosed in preseason rankings and All America teams, because they do not participate in the playoffs. A kid like Estrada from Dartmouth never sniffed making an All America team. Yet he starts for a top 10 FBS team now - Baylor. Other Ivy transfers started for LSU and Penn State this year.

Division 2 champ Ferris State had 4 players from their 2018 team drafted and now playing in the NFL. Does that make them a better team than Princeton in 2018?

In terms of recruiting rankings, teams like Harvard and Princeton routinely out-recruit JMU and NDSU every year ie bring in a lot more 3 star talent than those teams.

Would the Ivy champion likely contend for FCS playoff championships most years? No. Would they be competitive and make a run every 5 years like Colgate in 2018 when they beat JMU in the playoffs? Yes.

NDSU is on another level from all FCS. They would beat many good FBS teams during their run over the last 10 years.

Would be interesting to hear what coaches from teams like #5 ranked Villanova think about how competitive Ivy teams would be.

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Date Posted: 19:50:10 12/19/21 Sun

Harvard also seemed like a big boom or bust team this year. The Holy Cross game, along with the Brown and Columbia games, were big "boom" games for Harvard. Just based off those games you would have thought this was a historically good Harvard team. Yet against Cornell and Dartmouth, Harvard was pretty damn mediocre.

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