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Subject: Re: Come On, Who Wrote This Script?


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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:05:04 12/20/21 Mon
In reply to: Diogenes 's message, "Re: Come On, Who Wrote This Script?" on 10:15:14 12/20/21 Mon

Yes their academics can be quite strong, but I think the point is that there is a much larger gap between the average student in such programs and the average scholarship athlete.

Also, that athletes frequently are put in less rigorous academic programs so their graduation rate does not mean the same thing. My daughter graduated from one of these schools and saw first hand a football player reminding the professor that he was a football player and thus was supposed to get a different exam.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Follow-Up Questions on The Special Exam


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:31:47 12/20/21 Mon

The story with the football player's dumbed down exam is the kind of tale which is usually apocryphal but, if your daughter witnessed it first hand, I'll accept it.

If it actually happens, lots of people must know about it. How do the mechanics work? The professor uses the same grading curve for everybody, but the football players get a different exam with easier questions?

Who gets the dumbed down exam? Is it only football players? What about men's basketball? I would expect that they are no more academically qualified than football players. If you're going to give the special exam to men's basketball players, then what about women's basketball players?

I can see there being a Title IX problem if women's basketball players have to take the regular exam.

Is it only in courses like physics or chemistry? What about sociology and psychology? How would you even dumb down a sociology exam? Is that even possible?

So many questions. It really is a slippery slope.

I imagine that, at UNC-Chapel Hill, this is how the system worked. I also point out that UNC-Chapel Hill is generally regarded as an outstanding public university. Just because the overall umbrella institution is a respected institution of higher learning does not mean the athletes are not on a completely different track of special exams, special grading, special courses, and special everything. Something to keep in mind for those who want to take on Duke and Vanderbilt.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Follow-Up Questions on The Special Exam


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sparman
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Date Posted: 14:34:58 12/20/21 Mon

My impression is that the regular students accept the discrepancy as part of the landscape and the price for the entertainment and social value of the football weekends they enjoy (and may have sought out when looking at colleges.

I have never asked further details about this incident.

The player in question is now playing on Sundays.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Follow-Up Questions on The Special Exam


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Date Posted: 14:52:17 12/20/21 Mon

It would have been a better ending if you said that the player in question parlayed his enhanced transcript into a medical school admission and is now an orthopedic surgeon.

I'm a little surprised that, if students generally knew about this arrangement, it does not draw more scrutiny. Sure, a lot of kids might say, "That's cool, I get to watch a better football team on Saturday afternoons in the fall."

But you would think that, on the campus of a flagship land grant public university, there are tens of thousands of students, only one of whom would need to write a letter to a newspaper happy to write an expose about it.

This is especially true after the UNC-Chapel Hill charade was exposed, one of the less proud episodes in the history of American higher education.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Follow-Up Questions on The Special Exam


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sparman
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Date Posted: 20:30:56 12/20/21 Mon

No doubt the med school comes after playing career is over.

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