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Subject: Re: I think that the refs know what they signed up for...

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Date Posted: 10:11:31 01/18/22 Tue
In reply to: Go Green 's message, "I think that the refs know what they signed up for..." on 22:00:33 01/16/22 Sun

AO - in your communication with the referees regarding the replay timeout in the P-H game, did the officials say they felt the correct call was made ie awarding P the timeout after replay review? I had an email exchange with one of the former referees that provides commentary during FBS televised games, and his comments are below regarding the P-H situation:

In that situation replay should not have awarded the timeout. The only time replay can get involved in a timeout situation is when a coach signals for one at the end of a half. Replay can look at when the official signaled to grant the timeout in relation to the game clock expiring.

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Date Posted: 10:45:58 01/18/22 Tue

Ed, both referees to whom I spoke wanted to give a lot of context to their answers. The NCAA in particular said that the situation would garner a lot of attention and was "unfortunate."

Both referees were consistent in saying that reviewing a coach's request to call time out via video replay starts us down the slippery slope of coaches gaming the system by discretely signaling before the play starts and then seeing whether the result is favorable to their team.

The NCAA in particular volunteered that Surace was clearly not trying to game the system as he had wandered a couple yards onto the field in his attempt to get the officials' attention. The NCAA had obviously already reviewed the H-P game by the time I called them.

But without a doubt, there is judgment involved.

I asked both referees, "Is there any language in the NCAA rule book which supersedes Article 7?" In both cases, the answer was no.

I also asked both referees, "If you had been the head of the officiating crew that day, would you have granted the time out?" In both cases, the answer was no.

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Date Posted: 11:12:38 01/18/22 Tue

I suggest that the League adopt a minor accomodation for the 2+ overtime sitiation:

Allow the HC to stand next to the linesman (on the 2 yard line) on these plays--in the event a TO is called.
This may have avoided the unfortunate H-P situation, and would have no negative impact on the course of play.

The IL could petition the NCAA to allow this rule change for league play, similar to previous accomodations for kickoffs.

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Date Posted: 12:16:05 01/18/22 Tue

Thanks for sharing more AO. So the NCAA and two former rules experts have stated that they would not have granted Princeton the timeout. Is that enough for all the Princeton fans in this issue? Seems like the only posters in this board who feel the timeout should have been granted are Princeton fans.

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Date Posted: 14:02:12 01/18/22 Tue

Not for me, until they explain the argument for how they can just ignore the express language of what Article (or is it Rule?) 7.

As I have suggested before, it may be that Article 7 was overlooked when implementing overtime rules, and whether that is true or not, that people now realize they want to amend the rule to correct what they see as a deficiency. But until the rule is amended, it still operates as written (same as any other rule), right?

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