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Subject: Re: Kyle Juszczyk


Author:
Ghost of 1961
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Date Posted: 10:01:42 01/21/22 Fri
In reply to: Ivy Inquisitor 's message, "Re: Kyle Juszczyk" on 23:03:20 01/20/22 Thu

So let's examine the athletic qualities the holder must have. 1) excellent hand/eye coordination, given the tiny amount of time needed to catch, spot and spin the snap into place 2) quickness and foot speed in the event of a botched snap, kicker slips or possibility of a fake 3) throwing ability in case of any of the instances in #2. Taking all three into account, it's easy to see how the backup QB is usually the holder, but certainly remember Largent as a good athlete. In all fairness to our Ivy League Pro Bowler, not sure if these attributes are usually associated with a fullback. But let's keep searching and by all means, congrats to the Ivy Leaguer in the Pro Bowl.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: punters as holders


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ivy guy
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Date Posted: 10:22:03 01/21/22 Fri

The Chiefs use Tommy Townsend, their punter, as holder. I am sure other teams in the NFL and College do as well.

The logic is that specialists tend to practice and workout together, have the same special teams coaches, and using a punter does not conflict or distract from other position group's schedules.

Punters also have experience fielding snaps.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: punters as holders


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sparman
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Date Posted: 10:32:43 01/21/22 Fri

Most teams use their punter. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Baltimore for example.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: punters as holders


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:06:32 01/21/22 Fri

The punter also makes sense from the following perspective. The job of holder is one which carries with it almost zero upside. For the most part, you can only screw up. There is little possibility to overachieve, with the exception of the scenarios in which you corral a bad snap or there is a fake and you perform beautifully.

So it's hard to imagine that another player with good hand-eye coordination and soft hands would volunteer for the job.

But the punter often gets the job out of default for all the reasons already mentioned. If *HE* screws up, he's got the ready made excuse, "Hey, man, you bought in here to kick them high and far, not spin the ball with the laces facing forward. I didn't want this job."

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: punters as holders


Author:
ivy guy (career limiting)
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Date Posted: 14:52:14 01/21/22 Fri


"Hey, man, you bought in here to kick them high and far, not spin the ball with the laces facing forward. I didn't want this job."

given the disposable nature of kickers and punters,
you would only use that line once ... and would then be looking for another job.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: punters as holders


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:15:46 01/21/22 Fri

That's a great point. The distribution curve for punters' abilities is tightly bunched with a narrow standard deviation, much more so than other positions. Most punters would probably welcome another opportunity to be valuable to their teams.

Now that college football teams actively scout and recruit for long snappers and lacrosse teams of course have long recruited for FOGO face-off men, I wonder if we will ever see any program recruit for a holder? Can't you just hear parents saying, "Billy, put your homework down! Get out in the backyard and keep practicing snaps with your brother."

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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:53:25 01/21/22 Fri

As noted, punters are accustomed to catching balls being snapped by the long snapper (itself a specialized position). Also, the kicking unit has to practice extensively on its own, so using a non-punter means a position player is away from his main practice group.

Position players are probably more likely to be injured than a punter performing their non-holder job, which means significant disruption in a critical routine if the position player has to be replaced as holder during a game.

Of course it might be argued that all of these points are undercut by some teams electing to use a fullback, WR, or backup QB, etc. But I think the trend in recent years has been pretty clear.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kyle Juszczyk


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor
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Date Posted: 13:59:13 01/21/22 Fri

As mentioned in this thread for years the Fullback position has been phasing out. This will continue except for triple option teams. For some strange motive to starting in the 90's Fullback spot was limited to a lead blocker. Ghost of 1961: If you remember coming out of Harvard Juszczyk was a receiving tight end. SF utilizes him a receiving threat. That's probably the reason they went with him. I'd would have assumed a back up QB made more sense. Yet this shows his versatility. That's interesting ST Steve Tasker was a holder. Tasker was a tenuous hitter I don't know why Buffalo didn't switch him to safety

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Maybe they didn't switch him to safety...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:03:35 01/21/22 Fri


.... because he was a tenuous hitter?

:)

And I recently watched "Four Falls of Buffalo" on EPSN+ (even though it came out a while ago). Highly recommended!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe they didn't switch him to safety...


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor
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Date Posted: 17:24:04 01/21/22 Fri

I forgot to add "he was never a"tenuous hitter. Tasker was fierce on kickoff coverage I always thought he would have made a good safety. I'll check out the Four Falls of Buffalo. They should have beaten NGY in SB 25. Buffalo was more competitive than I though they would be in SB 26 against Washington.

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