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Subject: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 07:30:59 05/31/24 Fri

At the end of last year's Ivy basketball season, I was looking forward to an exciting 24-25 season. I saw Brown, Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Yale fielding highly competitive teams. All challenging for the league Championship. Penn and Columbia would be improved. Then Earl left. Multiple players transferred. What is left?? Not what I expected.

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[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
John Harvard
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Date Posted: 13:34:03 05/31/24 Fri

As a Harvard Crimson fan, I feel your pain big time.

Brown retains 2 of its most important players, only losing Nana to the portal but a few others to graduation.
Columbia and it's youthful depth will benefit, as it loses nothing to the portal.
Cornell is losing some big players to graduation, so a dropoff was expected.
Dartmouth will remain scrappy, but overmatched.
Harvard has seven freshman and Evan Nelson to add to it's decimated core, but the best three players from 2023-24 are gone.
Penn - despite losing Perkins - has been really active in the transfer portal, possibly making them the most opportunistice and improving team, .
Princeton, if Lee stays, the Tigers have retained its nucleus.
Yale loses big names to graduation and Wolf, but has returning talent.

Certainly, the league is weaker (especially Harvard, Yale, Brown, Cornell and, to a lesser extent, Princeton). This opens it up for Columbia and Dartmouth to close the gap. Penn may be a sleeper due to who they return and the addition of transfers.

My Projection:
In the Tournament: Yale & Princeton at the top
Bubble: Brown (Lilly/Anya), Penn (Spinoso/transfers), Columbia (depth/growning experience), Harvard (Freshmen & guards)
Outside: Dartmouth, Cornell (too much turnover at key places)
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Sr. Punter (Brown)
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Date Posted: 11:56:20 06/02/24 Sun

You have that backwards JH, Nana returns, Anya gone. A very important difference.
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 17:17:27 06/03/24 Mon

My mistake.
You guys will be in the mix again.
Good Luck!
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Bob S
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Date Posted: 09:41:37 06/12/24 Wed

The concern I have is moving forward how is the League going to address its status. Seems the "40 Year Scholarship" formula is not working as well. The NIL collectives at the higher levels will be tempting. On the plus side-individual NIL deals are allowable and according to one of the administrators at Cornell they ranged all over the place from vendor discounts to some individuals making several thousand a month and it probably holds true at the other Ivies. The problem is that they go no where near what the Collectives are offering.
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Tiger69
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Date Posted: 11:11:59 06/12/24 Wed

Our target recruit will be a good, not exceptional, player with no pro aspirations. We will probably not get any three star level players unless they have exceptional education values. Our style of play will have to be team oriented because we will not have any standout players sought after by the big $ NILS. Recruiting the right role players for a system and coaching will be paramount. We will be at a talent disadvantage when we play most schools outside the IL. I have no problem with that.
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 10:22:35 06/17/24 Mon

So much for our prognostications as 4-star recruit Elsie Harrington commits to Harvard for 2025-26.

On the other hand, this may be consistent with my expectations of players starting in the Ivies and then moving on after a season or two. Best opportunity to negotiate an NIL deal, see what schools really need you, and always be able to say you went to Harvard in instance.

If I'm reading things correctly, Amaker has recruited another top player as he dips in rankings. I believe that was happening with Chris Lewis, Justice Ajogbor and Zena Edosomwan. Seems Harrington is now a 4-star, but might have previously been considered a 5-star. Regardless, great get for the Crimson. Hoping Harrinston can team with Hinton in the backcourt in two seasons. Now need to find a front court.
[> [> Subject: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:54:23 06/17/24 Mon

Congratulations to Coach Amaker and the Crimson faithful for signing another top flight recruit.

When we discussed earlier in the spring the impact of NIL deals and especially the transfer portal, I said here that, collectively, the two influences undercut the entire Amaker model of outrecruiting his Ivy competitors.

Full credit to Amaker for not sharing my pessimism. He has basically said, "I'm not changing. I'm doubling down."

Round One definitely goes to Coach Amaker and Harvard.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 12:36:01 06/17/24 Mon

Amaker's approach seems to be identifying targets early and building relationships. I believe he'd been following Siyani Chambers since JHS and we'd heard about Malik Mack and Robert Hinton for a while. Same thing with Harrington now, who is committing relatively early for fall 2025 commit.

As much as Amaker's recruiting appears to have stayed consistent, the concept of a one or two years and done is new to this league.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:06:12 06/17/24 Mon

Your recollection of Coach Amaker's recruiting of Siyani Chambers is accurate. Chambers has described how many of his midweek eighth-grade games Coach Amaker attended.

So we're talking about handing the day's practice over to his assistants, getting on a morning flight to Minneapolis, renting a car and driving out to Golden Valley, sitting in the stands and, because college coaches were then prohibited from contacting middle-school players, catching Chambers' eye for a smile and maybe a wink but no conversation, then driving back to the airport and, if he's lucky, catching a redeye home. If he's not lucky, he has to spend the night in an airport hotel and fly home first thing in the morning to get to Lavietes in time for practice in the afternoon.

My big concern is that investing all that time in an eighth-grader who didn't even have high school grades at the time was prima facie evidence that Amaker knew he had a tremendous amount of leverage at the admissions office. He knew he had the bright green light in terms of getting guys past admissions. I have a real problem with that.

But give Coach Amaker credit. He's made it work. He has consistently recruited better than Jones, Henderson, Donahue and everybody else in the League. Amaker does the work. I'll bet he's able to take Dr. Stephanie Pinder-Amaker on a couple of nice vacations a year on his frequent flier miles.

I've said here before that I could not take a job where my success depending upon giving a sales pitch to seventeen-year-old boys. Obviously, I'm not going to fly a thousand miles to watch an eighth-grader play basketball.

Amaker puts in the hours. You have got to admire that. And I do.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 15:41:42 06/17/24 Mon

This is the way to recruit, well done Coach Amaker. Convince a decent player that his two years with you, including significant playing time and superior player development/coaching will prepare him for the next level, the A10/Big East, etc. And you'll schedule some of those schools so they get a live look at what could be a recruit for them. Outstanding. Welcome to 2024-25 Ivy League Basketball.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 10:32:59 06/18/24 Tue

The question is, can he keep them??
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Amaker to Me, "You're Wrong and I'll Show You"


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 11:53:01 06/18/24 Tue

Why not? It's a 1 or 2 year apprenticeship in the Ivy League, and all your academic credits will be transferable.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Doubt he stays more than a year or two


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Ole Nassau
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Date Posted: 11:56:18 06/18/24 Tue

Too much NIL money is out there.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Doubt he stays more than a year or two


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 12:01:56 06/18/24 Tue

True, but I thought we were talking about a marginal player who still needed to mature and develop. Not sure how much NIL $$$ is available for that player.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: He's Got Two Ways to Win


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:37:52 06/18/24 Tue

Are you/we talking about Elsie Harrington? I thought he was a four-star recruit, not a marginal prospect.

I thought your earlier characterization of what might be Coach Amaker's "new" strategy was insightful. If you are correct, he is essentially trying to implement a second generation of the "One and Done" approach first sold to NBA-bound recruits by John Calipari, "I make no pretense about keeping you for more than a year. We are not starting a relationship; this will be a one-night stand. In return for your giving me what I want, I will surround you with other NBA-level talent, then make a lot of phone calls on your behalf and otherwise sell you to NBA general managers. You get what you want, I get what I want."

Your characterization of Coach Amaker's strategy basically takes the same approach but replaces the acronym "NBA" with the acronym "BCS" or Power Four or Top 25 program.

This strategy carries its own risks, BUT what I like about is, if the recruit turns out to be slightly worse than the fanfare suggests or he is a bit slower to develop, he will probably still be an all-Ivy level player. Indeed, Coach Amaker has two ways to win:

(1) The four-star prospect is as good as advertised or better, tears up the League for one or two years, and then transfers to Georgetown or Michigan.

(2) The four-star prospect ends up performing more like a three-star and is "merely" second-team all-Ivy, but sticks around for four years, beating up on Yale and Princeton for a full career. He never makes it to the big time or the NBA, but will go down in the record books as an outstanding Ivy League player.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: He's Got Two Ways to Win


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 13:15:50 06/18/24 Tue

No, this kid Harrington is legit, at least on paper, I've never seen him play. I was referring to the 2* or even marginal 3* who might need a year or two of seasoning, basketball and physically maturing-wise. THEN, move on to a mid-major level for some NIL $$ and higher level of competition. That would seem to be a better recruiting strategy for Ivy hoop coaches.
[> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 11:07:33 06/19/24 Wed

Perfect plan for a talented hitchhiker who wants some visibility, development time and snob appeal on his resume while fishing around for the best NIL deal.. A couple of years he stands out, wins a few honors and then moves on to a high profile BCS team or two for a big paycheck. He can never really incorporate into a team culture and doesn’t even have to write a Senior Thesis. As an Alum, I find this minor league culture difficult to get excited about. Big money has corrupted politics and now has moved on to college sports. We don’t need this.
[> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 11:25:01 06/19/24 Wed

You're not living in the real world, you're living in a Bill Bradley-Jim McMillian-Rudy LaRusso time capsule. If a bunch of mediocre players stick together for 3-4 years, you might win an Ivy title but your RPI will sink you into a 2-15 NCAA matchup. Nothing wrong with that, you're playing at a disadvantage, financially, but at a higher level educationally. Isn't that what you want? Tough to have both these days.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:37:09 06/19/24 Wed

I'm fairly certain he has been consistently saying that he thinks universities should be dedicated to education, not development of pro athletes.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a pro career, but IMO hard to accept that the fundamental educational mission of all schools - at least of ivy schools - should be altered to fit the desires of aspiring pro athletes. You want big time sports, fine, then attend or follow a large public school. I have yet to see a compelling argument why all colleges should follow such a model that means accepting a fundamentally suspect incentive system.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 13:48:55 06/19/24 Wed

The Ivys are to be commended for sticking to that academic model. But let's accept athletic mediocrity in exchange for academic superiority. The league will still be fine in the country club sports but in the revenue-producing ones, keep the expectations modest. Nothing wrong with it.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 11:41:19 06/22/24 Sat

Ghost: I think that we are pretty much in agreement. I don’t expect that we want to appeal to the potential pro prospect or even to most power school level players. So, we get a crappy NCAA seed. With a well coached, cohesive team of 4 year players, we may pull an occasional upset. The Ivy Crown is enough for me. If we get lucky and find a 2* or better athlete who enrolls to STAY, maybe he gets a few bucks from local endorsements.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Tiger81
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Date Posted: 12:33:22 06/22/24 Sat

I am with you.

It was fun to live in the era launched by Coach Amaker and see the Ivies start to land big-time talent and challenge the big boys with their one-and-done rosters. But with the free agent, professional era that is now upon us the league cannot preserve its values if it follows that path. And even if it tried, the power conferences will always have more to offer athletes who put a higher priority on the level of competition to get get to the NFL or NBA and the big bucks that go along with that.

I can live with the scenario T69 outlined if the alternative is abandoning the Ivy League’s mission and commitment to a true student-athlete experience for its sports teams. That value proposition will still appeal to many recruits who will be fun to watch for Ivy fans and put an occasional scare into the cobbled-together all-star teams from State U.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 20:00:21 06/23/24 Sun

You guys aren't reading the tea leaves. It's not us who don't want to be part of their game, it's them that don't want us.

Through House, we are overpaying to continue to be part of what will soon become a 72-team (or 96-team) tournament, with all the little sister conferences relegated to the Dayton play-in round. Eventually, that too will go away.

Keep the ostrich thinking...
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 11:52:29 06/24/24 Mon

So I’m an ostrich. I’ll stick to our values. As long as the rest of the IL joins us, we’ll do fine by ourselves. Maybe some other schools will eventually become disenchanted with big $ professionalism of college sports and join us.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: We already said "no" to Colgate


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:04:30 06/24/24 Mon


https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1973/5/9/ivy-schools-deny-colgate-bid-to/
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We already said "no" to Colgate


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:32:55 06/24/24 Mon

I give credit to Colgate for asking. Can you imagine the effect on Colgate University the academic institution if the Ivies had accepted their request to join our conference? It would have been transformational.

Unbelievably, Dr Pepper has passed Pepsi as the second most popular soft drink in the United States. Brand names that we take as fixed somewhere on the food chain do in fact move up and down, sometimes dramatically.

Could you imagine a Colgate or a Bucknell or a Johns Hopkins after half a century as an Ivy League university?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I give them credit, too


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:56:54 06/24/24 Mon


You never know unless you ask!

I can only imagine how much schools like Lehigh, Bucknell, Holy Cross, Georgetown, etc. would be kicking themselves if the Ivy had said "yes" to Colgate...
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 12:49:01 06/24/24 Mon

NESCAC here we come.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


Author:
Diogenes (observer)
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Date Posted: 11:37:39 06/25/24 Tue

More to your point: "NESCAC here we are".
Except for Lacrosse, Hockey, Rowing and Wrestling,
the Ivies are now the "shape-shifters" of
collegiate athletics.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 11:41:52 06/25/24 Tue

Even Hockey and Lacrosse only got the AQ this year. And didn't show that well...

And Men's Rowing isn't an NCAA sport anyway.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:54:34 06/25/24 Tue

"And Men's Rowing isn't an NCAA sport anyway."

So one cannot grouse about rowing being a step behind big-time athletic factories.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 11:56:41 06/25/24 Tue

It's not like the Ivies dominate women's rowing over the past decade...

https://www.ncaa.com/history/rowing/d1
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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SpuytenDuyvil76
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Date Posted: 13:12:51 06/25/24 Tue

The big state universities have, with women's rowing, done a much better job of recruiting non-US students. It would be interesting to compare the respective football and women's crew budgets at these institutions. Note also with exceptions of U of W, Berkley and Stanford, none of the schools boat varsity men's crew. Kudos to Brown for what they've achieved.
Brava to the state schools for giving our Olympic opponents unparalleled 4-year training.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 13:30:40 06/25/24 Tue

Don't kid yourself. Many Ivy boats are foreign-born.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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SpuytenDuyvil76
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Date Posted: 06:12:11 06/26/24 Wed

For the men, yes. On the women's side, not to the same proportion.
[> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 23:35:40 06/25/24 Tue

Observer (with lowercase “o”). I assume that from your frequent criticisms of Ivy athletics policies that you are an alum and possibly a former athlete. I don’t understand why you think it necessary that we imitate the policies of others who place a much greater emphasis on money sports (football and basketball) than we do. I will not argue that the level of play and the overall talent of recruited athletes may drop. But, the level of commitment and identification with the university should remain high when the academic role of the university is the prime attraction. Is this not more important than our NCAA seed in postseason basketball competition?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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The Mountain LIon
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Date Posted: 09:24:49 06/26/24 Wed

Just wondering whether anyone believes that Columbia Athletics can survive D.A. Alvin Bragg. How can you hold athletic events in Manhattan given that he has admitted publicly that he and
his entire staff are incapable of successfully prosecuting persons committing violent crimes against Columbia students, employees and faculty. Is it worth taking the risk of physical harm to attend football games at Baker Field or basketball games at Levien Gymnasium? And how do the student-athletes feel if Bragg says it ok for masked protesters to demand that they disclose their religion in order to compete in athletic events.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 09:39:23 06/26/24 Wed

Ridiculous post, sounds like you have an agenda against the DA for prosecuting a high profile criminal, recently convicted. I'm sure there are already high level discussions between the police department, Columbia security and Columbia's administration about these situations to maintain the highest level of safety whether you're walking through campus or sitting at a football game.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 09:49:14 06/26/24 Wed

Fair point. I've been to games at Baker Field in which Columbia quarterbacks seemed constantly under the threat of extreme physical violence. Bragg never charged any of the perpetrators in blue or orange.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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observer
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Date Posted: 09:38:44 06/26/24 Wed

Recent events (including Students for Fair Admission v Harvard) suggest that pure merit-based academic excellence is far from the mission of most Ivy schools these days.

Stanford, Duke, Texas, North Carolina, Michigan, UCLA and many other schools with strong athletics continue to rise in both national rankings and desirability among college-bound youth and hiring employers, despite these institutions participating in "big-time" sports.

The idea that being good in sports is somehow antithetical to being a quality educational institution is false, and always has been.

It also smacks of racism, as the two sports most likely to be sacrificed on the altar of "no professionalism" are basketball and football - both of which have many more black athletes (by percentage, and gross totals) competing nationally than fencing, squash, rowing, skiing, sailing, equestrian, rugby, archery, tennis, lacrosse, ice hockey and field hockey combined.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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sparman
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Date Posted: 13:10:18 06/26/24 Wed

You are equating "strong athletics" - which I don't see anyone here objecting to - to participation in pro sports development and an ever escalating, probably unwinnable, financial battle with schools that prioitize sports over education. How many more stories do you need to see about college athletes being expected to stay out of academic programs that interfere with their sport before you accept this reality? Or do you just not care about it?

Athletic excellence can exist outside the confines of pro sport preparation. I salute players who can pursue sports and education at the same time. I do not support our schools becoming post-grad IMG academies.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 16:11:07 06/27/24 Thu

Although amusing, some of these posts appear to be overstating issues in favor of some narrative. If I want that, I'll just tune into tonight's debate. Otherwise, Ivy sports will go on, our student bodies will remain admirably diverse, and everyone (even hopefull, the Lions QB) will likely remain unscathed.

These are remarkably unhinged times, or at least the most extreme since 1969.

Hopefully, we can put escalating and doomsday concerns aside, at least when discussing Ivy Sports.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Maia Ramsden


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 20:25:06 06/27/24 Thu

While waiting to tune into tonight's debate as suggested by JH, I surfed by ESPNU and its rebroadcast of the women's 1500 meter championship final.

It was so fun to see the familiar crimson "H" nestled in the pack among the bright yellow of Oregon and the other power conference jerseys.

With about 600 meters to go after a very slow pace, Ms Ramsden decided that she had waited long enough. She put down the accelerator like a NASCAR racer coming off a banked turn, pulling away from the field in dominating fashion.

There was a good battle for second place, ten meters behind Ms Ramsden, who coasted to defending her outdoor title. Brava.
[> Subject: The Math of Building An Ivy Champion Team


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:35:29 06/26/24 Wed

We discussed above how, instead of abandoning his "outrecruit the other Ivy contenders" strategy because of the impact of NIL deals and the transfer portal, Coach Amaker is doubling down. He might be marketing Harvard as a high mid-major program where a guy can show off his skills against quality mid-major competition and then head to the big time.

That definitely works for the recruit. He'll have Harvard College on Line 2 of his Linked In "Education" page if he ever wants a corporate job, and he's got a legitimate shot at the basketball big time. If like Chisom Okpara he lands at Stanford, he's not even sacrificing anything in terms of the academic brand.

But can this strategy work for Harvard? Can you build a championship contending program around this approach?

I think it may depend upon whether Coach Amaker can get the prized recruits to stay for three years instead of one or two.

I've written here before that a championship team needs at least two superstars, two guys who are first-team all-Ivy or the first couple guys on the second team.

2.5 superstars wins you the title most years. That's the way Princeton has been able to dominate on the women's side. They always have two bona fide stars and at least one credible second team player. Nobody besides Columbia has been able to bring in that kind of talent, and Berube then outcoaches my girlfriend on game day.

Can Harvard squeeze 2.5 stars onto its roster if guys are heading out the transfer portal revolving door?

I think if the best and the brightest leave after one year, it will be very difficult. You can't recruit two superstars a cycle on a dependable basis.

If guys leave after two seasons, Harvard has a shot, but still a rather long one.

The key is to keep the stars for three years. A Harvard poster on the basketball board said he was wistful for a Harvard roster in 2026 which included Okpara, Mack and Harrington. Yup, that's a championship team, maybe even a dominant one.

Coach Amaker has proven time and time again that no Ivy coach touches him in terms of bringing *IN* the talent. Can he reach the same heights in terms of keeping the best of the bunch from heading *OUT*?

That will be the key to rings and banners.
[> [> Subject: Re: The Math of Building An Ivy Champion Team


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Lurker
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Date Posted: 13:58:54 06/26/24 Wed

Does basketball have same rules as football regarding # of recruits in a 4 year cycle (obviously much lower #)? If so that makes the 2 and done strategy very difficult as the program is left shorthanded the other 2 years. Kentucky can replish entire roster each year so early departures not as damaging
[> [> [> Subject: Re: The Math of Building An Ivy Champion Team


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 14:36:45 06/26/24 Wed

The ivy League used to have a limit over 4 years but not for a while.


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