Create a New Forum Admin Login Member Login Contribute to Voyager Search VoyForums Help Desk VoyForums Exchange VoyForums Directory/Categories VoyForums Homepage VoyForums News FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, [3], 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ]

Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Tiger69 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:35:40 06/25/24 Tue In reply to: Tiger69 's message, "Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season" on 11:07:33 06/19/24 Wed Observer (with lowercase “o”). I assume that from your frequent criticisms of Ivy athletics policies that you are an alum and possibly a former athlete. I don’t understand why you think it necessary that we imitate the policies of others who place a much greater emphasis on money sports (football and basketball) than we do. I will not argue that the level of play and the overall talent of recruited athletes may drop. But, the level of commitment and identification with the university should remain high when the academic role of the university is the prime attraction. Is this not more important than our NCAA seed in postseason basketball competition? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: The Mountain LIon [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:24:49 06/26/24 Wed Just wondering whether anyone believes that Columbia Athletics can survive D.A. Alvin Bragg. How can you hold athletic events in Manhattan given that he has admitted publicly that he and his entire staff are incapable of successfully prosecuting persons committing violent crimes against Columbia students, employees and faculty. Is it worth taking the risk of physical harm to attend football games at Baker Field or basketball games at Levien Gymnasium? And how do the student-athletes feel if Bragg says it ok for masked protesters to demand that they disclose their religion in order to compete in athletic events.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:39:23 06/26/24 Wed Ridiculous post, sounds like you have an agenda against the DA for prosecuting a high profile criminal, recently convicted. I'm sure there are already high level discussions between the police department, Columbia security and Columbia's administration about these situations to maintain the highest level of safety whether you're walking through campus or sitting at a football game.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:49:14 06/26/24 Wed Fair point. I've been to games at Baker Field in which Columbia quarterbacks seemed constantly under the threat of extreme physical violence. Bragg never charged any of the perpetrators in blue or orange.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:38:44 06/26/24 Wed Recent events (including Students for Fair Admission v Harvard) suggest that pure merit-based academic excellence is far from the mission of most Ivy schools these days. Stanford, Duke, Texas, North Carolina, Michigan, UCLA and many other schools with strong athletics continue to rise in both national rankings and desirability among college-bound youth and hiring employers, despite these institutions participating in "big-time" sports. The idea that being good in sports is somehow antithetical to being a quality educational institution is false, and always has been. It also smacks of racism, as the two sports most likely to be sacrificed on the altar of "no professionalism" are basketball and football - both of which have many more black athletes (by percentage, and gross totals) competing nationally than fencing, squash, rowing, skiing, sailing, equestrian, rugby, archery, tennis, lacrosse, ice hockey and field hockey combined.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:10:18 06/26/24 Wed You are equating "strong athletics" - which I don't see anyone here objecting to - to participation in pro sports development and an ever escalating, probably unwinnable, financial battle with schools that prioitize sports over education. How many more stories do you need to see about college athletes being expected to stay out of academic programs that interfere with their sport before you accept this reality? Or do you just not care about it? Athletic excellence can exist outside the confines of pro sport preparation. I salute players who can pursue sports and education at the same time. I do not support our schools becoming post-grad IMG academies.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: John Harvard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:11:07 06/27/24 Thu Although amusing, some of these posts appear to be overstating issues in favor of some narrative. If I want that, I'll just tune into tonight's debate. Otherwise, Ivy sports will go on, our student bodies will remain admirably diverse, and everyone (even hopefull, the Lions QB) will likely remain unscathed. These are remarkably unhinged times, or at least the most extreme since 1969. Hopefully, we can put escalating and doomsday concerns aside, at least when discussing Ivy Sports.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Maia Ramsden Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:25:06 06/27/24 Thu While waiting to tune into tonight's debate as suggested by JH, I surfed by ESPNU and its rebroadcast of the women's 1500 meter championship final. It was so fun to see the familiar crimson "H" nestled in the pack among the bright yellow of Oregon and the other power conference jerseys. With about 600 meters to go after a very slow pace, Ms Ramsden decided that she had waited long enough. She put down the accelerator like a NASCAR racer coming off a banked turn, pulling away from the field in dominating fashion. There was a good battle for second place, ten meters behind Ms Ramsden, who coasted to defending her outdoor title. Brava.