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Subject: Re: Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament? Author: David Perry (Sheepish) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 22:36:07 05/20/24 Mon In reply to: joiseyfan 's message, "Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament?" on 19:36:48 05/17/24 Fri OK, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here: I actually didn't mind having a two-team final in baseball, because 21 games is not a lot to decide a pennant given the randomness that can happen, but I was not in favor of expanding to four, and this is why. Great result for Penn, and given that these are the rules I won't refuse it, but lousy result for Ivy baseball. Columbia had the lineup and the pitching to make some noise in the NCAA's, and the bracketology had them playing the equivalent of a #4 seed, which was certainly doable, whereas Penn, who barely broke .500 in league play, made the tournament on a tiebreaker, and was at .500 overall, will be at best the equivalent of a #15 seed and is going to get wiped out by someone like Tennessee or Oklahoma. At #190, we may end up with the worst RPI in the tournament. Combine that with the embarrassment of the mound malfunction and the Ivies did not cover themselves in glory this weekend. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: The counter-argument is... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:19:44 05/21/24 Tue ... softball. Dartmouth lost player of the year Jensin Hall for two weeks and went 1-6 in Ivy play during that stretch. We finished fourth by a lousy half game. It's hardly a stretch to claim that we would have been the number one seed if she hadn't missed those two weeks. Hall was healthy for the tournament, and I don't think anyone would have objected if Dartmouth won it. Unfortunately, she didn't have her best performance and Dartmouth's season ended after three games.

[> [> [> Subject: Sorry, we went 1-5 Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:20:39 05/21/24 Tue Wish this Board had an edit feature #567

[> [> Subject: Re: Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:33:36 05/21/24 Tue Not much of a counter-argument. If she had been healthy, you can claim DC might have gone 21-0 or otherwise finish in first. If she got hurt before the Ivy tournament and DC was eliminated, which team deserved to go to the NCAAs? Injuries are part of sports. All teams are susceptible to them. You play the 21 game season and take your chances. Cannot agree with David on a two-team playoff. 21 games is not a lot to decide a pennant? Really? Compared to what? And why -- because of the randomness that can happen during 7 weekends and 21 games? Compared to the randomness of a second place team, in this case a 12-9 P, upsetting a 17-4 Columbia team in a 3 games series after Columbia dominated the League by 5 games? When the League was split into divisions, and, if I remember correctly which I may not, teams did not play an equal number of games against all league opponents, a divisional playoff is justifiable to me to determine the NCAA bid. But, IMO, not in the current configuration. "What is the point of being Spanish if you can't tilt at windmills?" Pete Carril. I am not Spanish, but I like the thought.

[> [> Subject: Not Covered in Glory, Indeed Author: Ott Lake [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:51:22 05/21/24 Tue Moving the tournament twenty miles in the middle of the playoff due to a problem with the pitcher’s mound is one of the most laughable events in the history of site management. Seriously, can anybody remember anything else quite so ridiculous? The timing was such that it appeared Columbia’s facilities team just said, “If we’re bounced out, we don’t give a damn. You fix the mound.”

[> [> Subject: Re: Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament? Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:20:49 05/22/24 Wed So funny that the people who move heaven and earth to say that NCAA post-season play isn't worth spit in football are now pulling out their hair to say that the "best" team didn't get a bid to the NCAA baseball tournament, and the selection process is unfair. Either competing at the national tournament is important for the league, or it isn't. Make up your minds.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Anybody care about the Ivy baseball tournament? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:34:12 05/22/24 Wed I don't think you are reading the NCAA Bylaw correctly: https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/bylaw?ruleId=9206 "31.3.4.1 Requirements -- Division I Championship. To be eligible for automatic qualification in a Division I Championship, a member conference must meet the following requirements: ..... (c) In sports other than championship subdivision football, a conference may establish subdivisions and conduct competition within each subdivision to determine a conference champion, as long as each subdivision consists of at least four members. A conference with subdivisions of four members must conduct double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament, to determine its champion. A conference with subdivisions of five or more members may conduct either single or double round-robin competition within each subdivision, plus a postseason tournament to determine its champion." As I read it, the IL uses a tournament only because it has chosen to have 4-team subdivisions. For such subdivisions,a conference MUST have a league tournament. If it reverted to a single 8-team division - as it is permitted to do - it MAY elect to have a conference tournament, but it is not required to do so. The Big West has not previously held a tournament, yet it has an automatic qualifier. They have chosen to launch a tournament in 2025. https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2024-05-17/2024-college-baseball-conference-tournaments-schedules-brackets-auto-bids https://bigwest.org/news/2023/12/4/the-big-west-announces-sites-for-softball-and-baseball-championships.aspx https://gopoly.com/news/2022/12/9/postseason-championship-returns-to-big-west-conference-in-baseball.aspx