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Date Posted: 13:11:22 11/04/03 Tue
Author: Lizzi
Subject: Re: what are the reasons for being an athiest?
In reply to: Michael 's message, "Re: what are the reasons for being an athiest?" on 15:07:18 07/16/03 Wed

>ARE YOU LIVING A LIE ??? OR THE
>REAL TRUTH ???
>
>SHOULD YOU INVESTIGATE THE TRUTH
>???
>
>‘‘Has your belief system taught you
>HOW to think or have you been
>taught WHAT to think?’’ Islam
>Agnosticism Freemasonry Jews
>Muhammad Buddha Allah Rev. Moon
>Jesus Wicken Mormon Jehovah
>Witness’s Hindu’s Hare Krishna
>Atheist Christianity Scientology
>Satanism New Age Darwinism /
>Evolution Witchcraft......
>
>
>
>Have you ever thought for sure
>whether you new the real truth
>about the religions of the world?
>You could be accepting half truths
>if you have never investigated the
>facts!!! Is what you believe about
>your god or higher power a ‘‘lie’’,
>a ‘‘fable’’, a ‘‘tradition’’, a
>‘‘half truth’’ or is it the
>‘‘complete truth’’??? It seems
>many religions and higher powers
>claim to have the ‘‘complete
>truth’’ Can they all be right????
>How many religions do you suppose
>have a foundation built on’’lies’’
>or ‘‘half truth’’ ? What is a
>‘‘fable’’? A fable is a story that
>is not true or make belief. How can
>you be sure what you believe is not
>‘‘make belief’’? What is
>‘‘tradition’’??? ‘‘Tradition’’ is
>when you believe what you believe
>only because of what mom believes
>and what grandma believes and what
>great grandma believed? What is a
>‘‘half truth’’? The ‘‘half truth’’
>tells half the story or partially
>twists the story so the end result
>is a lie.
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>What is ‘‘truth’’? Many religious
>beliefs do not have a definition
>for truth, they just insist they
>have the truth. Truth is an
>established or ‘‘for real’’
>[proveable] fact. The Christian
>Bible according to Jesus disciples
>says that truth is......<‘‘I tell
>you the truth, we speak of what we
>know, and we testify to what we
>have seen, but still you people do
>not accept our testimony....John
>3:11 {this is their first hand
>verified experience of Jesus}.
>Archeology, history, prophetic
>writings and creation itself give
>testimony to the truth about Jesus.
>
>.......................................................
>...................................................
> Jesus said I am the way, the truth
>and the life....John 3:11
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>Whoever believes in Him is
>not condemned, but whoever does not
>believe stands condemned already
>because he has not believed in the
>name of God’s one and only Son
>. John 3:18
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>“He who is not with me is against
>me, and he who does not gather with
>me scatters.Matthew 12:30
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>Do you know the REAL truth? Can you
>verify what you belief by PROVEABLE
>EVIDENCE. Are you aware that the
>Christian Bible is the most sold
>book in historical time? It was
>recorded from generation to
>generation by a fool-proof Hebrew
>and Greek historical system. Many
>people have witnessed the facts
>that this holy book records. The
>prophecies{prophecy is historical
>events which were fortold before
>they ever happened} in the Bible
>are proof in themselves to the
>truth of it’s content. The last
>centurie’s discovery of the Dead
>Sea Scrolls are accurate evidence
>that the Bible contains written
>truth.
>
>
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>Has your believe system taught you
>HOW to think or have you been
>taught WHAT to think? Do you
>understand the difference?
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>
>
>
>Who is your God(s) or higher power?
>See below what others believe as
>well as the truth.
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>
>[1] Islam Allah see
>http://www.hallindsey.com ‘‘The
>Great Global Deception’’ ‘‘Myths of
>the Middle East’’
>http://www.Bible-prophecy.com/islam2.htm
>Wars and Rumors of Wars
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[2] Buddha known in the east as
>Buddha-Dharma, or the teachings
>of the Buddha
>http://www.grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences2/21b
>ud.html
>CHRISTIANITY AND BUDDHISM
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[3]Rev. Moon self appointed
>savior
>http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-2a.html
>Insider(Secret) Doctrines Two
>Unification Churches
>
>
>
>
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[4]Christianity God {manifested
>thru Jehovah, Jesus, and Holy
>Spirit} http://www.kcm.org [I
>consider this one of the most
>reliable and practical Christian
>sources]
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[5]Wicca in all of nature
>http://www.witchvox.com/protection/kerr_intro.html
>Witch Hunts - Exposing The Lies
>
>
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[6]Witchcraft black magic or
>white magic
>http://www.acts17-11.com/witchcraft.html
>Spiritual Adultery
>http://misslink.org/chapel/askaminister/teenask/magic.h
>tml
>Black and White Magic
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[7]Jews Jhvh God{the Jews
>thought God’s name to holy to
>spell or speak}
>http://christianworks.tripod.com/godofthejews.htm
>The God Of The Jews
>http://www.reasons.org/index.shtml
>[Go to search tab and enter
>‘‘Jews’’]
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[8]Mormon Jehovah God & Moroni
>http://solomonspalding.com/Lib/walmartn.htm
>The Maze of Mormonism
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[9]Jehovah Witness’s Jehovah
>http://www.cftf.com/miller/index.html
>Jehovah Witnesses...Victims of
>Deception
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[10]Hindu’s worship many gods,
>all divinities are aspects of
>the one absolute and
>unknowable, Brahman
>http://www.acns.com/~mm9n/hindu/CH.htm
>The Formation of Modern Hinduism
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[12]Atheist no god
>http://www.reasons.org/index.shtml
>Reasons to believe
>http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/mysearch.s
>html?main
>My Search for Truth by Hugh Ross
>
>
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[13]Agnostic not sure
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[14]New Age self or 1 of many
>gods
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>[15]Evolution no god {some
>believe man originated from
>monkey, others believe from
>nature, quantum leap theory, UFO’s
>}
>
>[16]Occultic Healers a. Sathya Sai
>Baba-Hindus regard him as God
>incarnate on earth. b.
>Christian Science-Founder Mary
>Baker Eddy believed sickness
>was of the mind. c. Voodoo/
>Santeria- various rituals.
>d.human will-force within to
>overcome desease. e.
>Deepak Chopra-believes matter and
> energy are interchangeable,
>
>All roads lead to God but under
>what conditions will you get there?
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>We proclaim to you what we have
>seen and heard, so that you also
>may have fellowship with us. And
>our fellowship is with the Father
>and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
>1John 1:3 We write this to make our
>joy complete. 1John 1:4 This is the
>message we have heard from him and
>declare to you: God is light; in
>him there is no darkness at all.
>1John 1:5
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>Jesus said.......’’I am the light
>of the world; he who follows Me
>shall not walk in the darkness, but
>shall have the light of life. John
>8:12
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>‘‘Even if I bear witness of Myself,
>My witness is true, for I know
>where I came from and I know where
>I am going; but you do not know
>where I came from or where I am
>going. John 8:14
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>If you believe in my word, then you
>are truly disciples of mine; and
>you shall know the truth, and the
>truth shall make you free.
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>Islam, Mormonism, New Age,
>Buddhism, Jehovah’s Witnesses,
>Hinduism, Rev. Moon, Freemasonry,
>Elks Lodge and others can provide
>some comfort but no name can take
>you to the throne of God except
>JESUS. Only the God-Man JESUS
>dealt with the sins of men. The
>only thing keeping you from knowing
>the TRUTH of JESUS is a lack of
>SALVATION FAITH {this is a faith
>that is mysterious because your
>ability to experience this truth
>comes only after you accept it
>which at that moment JESUS will
>contact you}.
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>This poor man cried and the Lord
>heard him. Psalms 34:6
>.......................................................
>...................................................
>By faith, believing He will answer,
>PRAY to JESUS and ask Him to wash
>away your imperfections {SIN}, and
>ask Him to SAVE your life that you
>may live in ETERNAL happiness and
>joy with Him. Confess with your
>mouth that JESUS is Lord and died
>and rose from the dead to wash you
>of sin and give you life more
>abundantly and believe {FAITH} in
>your heart that He has done it for
>you. Tell someone that you have
>accepted JESUS as your Savior and
>you are going to follow Him the
>rest of your life. Go to
>church and be baptized in the name
>of JESUS and discover the leading
>of His HOLY SPIRIT to guide you {IN
>YOUR INNER MAN} into all truth.
>Pray this prayer: JESUS, wash me of
>my sins and give me life eternal.
>Be Savior and Lord of my life. Be
>my Savior so that I can know the
>ultimate truth in life and be my
>Lord that I may live the rest of my
>life for you. Give me your love
>and show me that I have truly
>become your child by sending the
>power of the Holy Spirit in my life
>as the evidence of your love and
>power. I Attend ‘‘Angelus
>Temple’’ on 1100 Glendale Blvd.
>‘‘The Dream Center’’ PHONE:
>213-273-7000 ------ Contact
>Michael: If you email me I am not
>associated with Angelus Temple or
>The Dream Center E-mail
>hereforyou@intelinet.us “All
>things are possible with God”
>
>
>
>
>
> I [Michael V. Howell] graduated
>from Fuller Theological Seminary
>with a M.Div. in Theology with
>emphasis on Youth Ministries, Small
>Groups, Evangelism and Preaching.
>I was raised in the Catholic
>Church, have fellowshipped in the
>Vineyard Christian Fellowship from
>1984 to 1995 and brief association
>with Church of God in Christ and
>Foresquare. My undergrad degree is
>a B.A. in Newspaper Journalism from
>Central State University, Edmond,
>Oklahoma with experience in Sports
>and Feature writing for small
>newspapers. I took 1st Place
>honors in Sports Feature Writing in
>college competition in Oklahoma.
>also served three years as a
>Quartermaster lieutenant in the
>U.S. Army I have gained many but
>yet simple understanding,
>exhortation of scripture and
>interesting testimonial
>experiences.
>
> ..FOR THE WORD OF THE CROSS IS TO
>THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING
>FOOLISHNESS, BUT TO US WHO ARE
>BEING SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD.
>FOR IT IS WRITTEN ‘‘I WILL DESTROY
>THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE
>CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET
>ASIDE.’’ WHERE IS THE WISEMAN?
>WHERE IS THE SCRIBE? WHERE IS THE
>DEBATOR OF THIS AGE? HAS NOT GOD
>MADE FOOLISH THE WISDOM OF THE
>WORLD? FOR INDEED JEWS ASK FOR
>SIGNS, AND GREEKS SEARCH FOR
>WISDOM; BUT WE PREACH CHRIST
>CRUCIFIED, TO JEWS A STUMBLING
>BLOCK, AND TO GENTILES FOOLISHNESS,
>1 COR 1:18-23[EXCEPT 21] EVEN IF
>OUR GOSPEL IS VEILED , IT IS VEILED
>TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING. IN
>WHOSE CASE THE GOD OF THIS WORLD
>HAS BLINDED THE MINDS OF THE
>UNBELIEVING, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT
>SEE THE LIGHT OF THE GOSPEL OF THE
>GLORY OF CHRIST, WHO IS THE IMAGE
>OF GOD. 2 COR 4:3-4 God, after He
>spoke long ago to the fathers in
>the prophets in many portions in
>many ways, in these last days has
>spoken to us in His Son, whom He
>appointed heir of all things
>through whom also he has made the
>world. Hebrews 1:1-2 But the
>natural man does not accept things
>of the Spirit of God: for they are
>foolish to him, and he cannot
>understand them because they are
>spiritually appraised. 1 Corth 2:14
I think that everything about God is wack how come they have th perfect story for how the earth was made and God has nothing to do with it. And souls.. what are souls exactly? Just in our head. If there is a heaven then when astronauts fly into space hoe come they don't see it and people say that it is in the clouds . In my opinion there is no GOd and no heaven or hell it is all wack

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