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Date Posted: 16:13:13 02/25/04 Wed
Author: wiutsuoru
Subject: Western and Midcon???

I am one who would like to see Western leave the Midcon. Lack of student interest i.e. attendance- can be related to the teams that are in the conference. Who can get excited to see SUU,Chicago State etc. Fan interest and support comes when regional rivalries are natural. I also believe the Midcon holds Western back. Most of the Midcon schools are basically one sport schools-while Western has a full complement of sports.Also, exposure is enhanced when Western is playing regional schools-Tribune,St Louis Post etc. It doesn't do much to Western's exposure to potential students and fans when articles are written in Tulsa, Utah or Louisiana.

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[> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 22:28:33 02/29/04 Sun

Where do you propose we go?


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[> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiutsuoru, 05:35:40 03/01/04 Mon

That's the problem. The Missouri Valley apparently has no interest in Western.That leaves the Horizon as a possibility-especially if other conferences start changing. The Ohio Valley is out because of football and the Gateway.

Well, maybe the MidCon is Western's only option.Maybe as facilities improve and team victories go up Western will be more attractive to at least routinely being scheduled in all sports with the other state schools- or privates in the Midwest area.


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[> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 21:34:14 03/01/04 Mon

I'll let you in on something I was told by a very reliable source. A Big Ten team will soon be visiting WIU because of Coach Thomas' connections. I really hope that helps with the attendance situation. What else do think would help? It's got to be hard to recruit top players when you only get 1,000 to a game.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiutsuoru, 13:32:41 03/02/04 Tue

I believe Northwestern came to Macomb a few years ago.It was over Christmas break and bad weather-really cut into attendance. Hopefully this game you talk about will be in "prime time".

I guess I would suggest scheduling MVC and Horizon teams as often as possible-in all sports.This would at least help Western's exposure in the Mid West on a routine basis. Also, this would give fans a chance to feel Western is at the same level-but,just happens to be in a different conference.

Football is the flag ship sport- let's leave it alone.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 08:56:12 03/04/04 Thu

I believe Coach Thomas wants to play the other teams in the state that you mentioned. More Valley teams beside drake would be great, especially ISU and Bradley. I think he will get it done.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiutsuoru, 17:52:20 03/05/04 Fri

It's odd, the more I criticize the MidCon, the more I realize it's Western's best choice. I agree, playing more Valley and Horizon schools routinely will help their exposure- in all sports.

As the Cajun's used to say-"be who you is"- I guess this is Western at this time and place.I hope they continue to improve in all aspects.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- valpofan, 21:59:53 03/05/04 Fri

From a basketball standpoint, who would want you? Your RPI is dead last in the country. Maybe Coach Thomas will get the job done. I know they may not have been his kids, but a coach adapts his style to the kids especially in a new situation. He didn't do that. He tried to make them play his style. Coaches are supposed to put players in a position to be successful. I don't think Coach Thomas did that. Get in the Mid-Con Tournament, before you start looking for greener pastures.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 15:05:16 03/06/04 Sat

Thank you for your input. I believe Coach Thomas will do very well at WIU, give him a couple of years and we'll be challenging for the title. His team played hard at all times no matter what the score was. Anyone know what happened to Will Lewis the last 2 games?


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[> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiuato, 10:28:20 03/12/04 Fri

Actually, the MVC is the only logical fit for WIU. If the MVC were to expand 2 more teams, WIU might reasonably be one of them. But in order for them to even be considered, the attendance needs to increase atleast to an average of 3,000 and i do not see why it cannot. As we all see in football, the team naturally sells itself but look at the promotional and advertising help that goes along with selling the program. it is obviously the bread n butter of WIU but the whole athletic department needs to focus on some similar ways to get students and the town out to watch a game for a couple of hours FREE. Western Hall needs improvements that make it a better more fan friendly place for college ball. The attendance of 5,000 or so is adequate but the atmosphere is not really that welcoming, it is not electric and believe me, the atmosphere of the game will attract people regardless of their interest or lack of in basketball. Alot of things can be done affordably and they are definitely necessary.

As for better schools coming in or playing WIU, it is and has always been an option. BUT, the MVC schools take a risk at playing a program like WIU who has been very down the last few years because talent wise there is alot of parity and if a decently rated conference like the MVC has teams losing to low rated conf. like the Mid-Con it really shocks their RPI and affects on potential post season considerations. The power conference teams who play WIU are not worried because right now those odds are very good that WIU will not beat them especially in their places. Having Northwestern in Western Hall about 6 or so years ago was not a big deal. NW was really bad and the attendance was good but not what you might expect. And besides WIU pummeled them as expected. I would like to see a DePaul, Illinois, SIU, Mizzou, UNLV or whoever on that level come in and WIU promote the crap out of the game and a big crowd might be in sight. Having Bradley, ISU etc. is not great and has been done times before because neither of them have huge followings outside of Peoria and Bradleys students do not support them either, they are lucky to be supported by the Peoria areas 400,000+ people to get them 6-8,000 a game.


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[> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiutsuoru, 11:43:42 03/12/04 Fri

Good post. I think you captured most of the thoughts of those interested in this.

I know that Oral Roberts has a very vocal group who would like to see them leave. They believe their facilities -and their strong baseball program - would also fit into the MVC. They do have good support in Tulsa, and seem to get good publicity.

Awhile back, there was talk of some of the privates wanting to leave the MVC, seems they have a feeling they can't compete with the larger state schools-year in and out in all of their sports.


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[> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiuato, 07:01:55 03/15/04 Mon

The only sport WIU may have a bit of a struggle unless things get turned around is basketball. The MVC has an overall advantage only in men's bball everything else is either equal or even lower than the Mid-Con, ORU and WIU would be at or near the top in everything else.

I think though the MVC looks at men's bball as their sole means of justification and rightfully so but they are a conference that sponsors other sports and if they use bball as a method for accepting or denying a school, it is just wrong. Besides, in WIU's case the MVC governs the Gateway Football Conference and WIU makes big dollars and exposure so the MVC move for them would only be logical for both parties.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- RockyBDog, 06:44:56 03/16/04 Tue

I think Coach Thomas will turn the program around. WIU was better than 3-25 this year, but it didn't show due to injuries. BTW, does anyone know anything about next year's schedule? I've heard possibly Indiana @ home and Iowa @ the Mark of the QC.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiuato, 07:13:19 03/16/04 Tue

No but Indiana would be a great draw and may even fill the Hall to 5000, hell maybe even 8000. Iowa at the Mark, WIU has done that a couple times before. Good game but will do nothing for WIu support. Get them at home in Macomb also and people will come. Again, not to knock any of the Mid-Con schools but it is a proven fact that nobody in Macomb is interested in seeing WIU vs. Oakland, UMKC, IUPUI, SUU etc. When the Mid-Con included UIC, UNI, SMS, Clev. St. and even NIU there was more interest because of regional rivalries and the talent level was higher and better to watch. Valpo is the only Conf. game of interest to WIU fans and because of WIU recent slide, it is not that big of a deal anymore.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- gremlin, 12:25:30 03/17/04 Wed

Let's see - the Mid-Con is holding WIU back. That is laughable. The only thing holding WIU back is itself. MVC is not going to be interested in WIU and the Horizon is not going to be interested in WIU. Why - well location is a big starting point (if you havent noticed, you cant get to Macomb and it is a media market of absolutely no consequence). Football is important, but I-AA football only generates so much publicity. If you do not have I-A football, basketball drives the publicity bus and of late the Leathernecks have not done too well. Even when the team was going well and the Mid-Con tournament was in Moline, WIU did not travel particularly well.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- wiutsuoru, 15:49:59 03/17/04 Wed

My comments around Western and the Mid-Con relate to the entire athletic department, not how it might effect one sport,and, how this relates to benefits for the entire insitution i.e. interest,publicity,recruiting,rivalries etc.

I will stand behind my comments regarding this.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Leatherhead, 16:09:17 03/17/04 Wed

The alumni newspaper lists a pre-game social for a basketball game against Iowa on November 19 (it doesn't say where).
Regarding other schools being one-sport schools, I wouldn't say that is true. We won the commissioner's cup last year; I think Oral Roberts won it a couple years before that. Oakland and Valpo are always competitive for it. Outside of men's basketball, WIU is pretty close for everything else.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 22:48:35 03/17/04 Wed

November 19,2004 against Iowa is at the Mark of the Quad-Cities. Book it. What will it take to get WIU students interested in basketball? It's a great University, but only 1,000 to a game? What else is there to do in Macomb during the winter?


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- RockyBDog, 09:45:09 03/25/04 Thu

So the Iowa game is a book it? Great! I will certainly try to go that game.Perhaps more students would attend if a charter bus took them. I also heard from a reliable source WIU will travel to UCLA. Is that a "big money" game like Coach P. tries to get. I'm looking forward to next year's season. GO NECKS!!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Western and Midcon??? -- Smack, 21:18:46 03/25/04 Thu

All True. Iowa then UCLA, the MECCA of college basketball.


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