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Date Posted: 22:18:25 08/29/03 Fri
Author: wiuato
Subject: What happened to Dukes and Vance?

After watching the NECKS on Thursday, I was eager to see some of the new guys in particular at LB with Archer and Vance. To my suprise I did not see Vance's name on the roster, he is listed and a profile of him is in the Media Guide but I do not see him listed now. Also, what about CB Ray Dukes and the San Diego State guy Ballard? Does anyone know what the deal is with these guys, are they with the team or redshirted? I noticed a few other guys who are listed on team full rosters but not on 2003 pict or roster.

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[> Re: What happened to Dukes and Vance? -- Neckfansince71, 07:08:11 08/30/03 Sat

WIUato,

How was the atmosphere on Thursday night? With rain expected was the parking lot filled with tailgaters? 12,000+ on opening night is not a bad way to start. I read some posts on the Gateway Connection wondering really how good the Necks are. I don't think Patterson really wanted to let anyone know especially before he takes the team to EMU. Just a good tune up and with the rain, not a lot of chance to throw effectively. Wish I was in the crowd with you! The internet broadcast was spotty at best on my computer.

jc


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[> [> Re: What happened to Dukes and Vance? -- wiuato, 08:47:45 08/30/03 Sat

Well, the atmosphere was great before the game and until halftime. The whole east stands were filled as were the endzones, the west side was about 1/2 full because it is all reserved and god forbid they let gen. admission people fill them up. I usually like to go in early and watch some warm-ups and drills etc. but Thurs. it was not an option because they did not open the gates until 5:30 for a 6:05 game so as you could imagine, people were still flowing in after the game started.

Overall, I guess they looked good for the first game and with playing a ton of guys and the weather it was not the massacre it could have been. I am a bit concerned at the safety position in particular, What should have been a strong point may be a huge weakness. With Irish transfering and Dukes nowhere to be found, WIU was vulnerable there. I know Travis Washington is the starting SS but to be honest, I am not sure he even played unless I missed something but he was a stud last season. Still too many questions because what I was expecting to see from this highly touted team was not exactly what I expected. Some guys who were eagerly expected to fill holes
and make the team better are not there although a couple who were looked good. The LB core of Russell, Archer and Vance expected to replace and maybe be better than last season was only Russell & Archer with a journeyman player at the other spot. Maybe the Lingley kid from U. Washington will be at the other spot, he looked pretty good. The offense will be pretty much the same, with the new guy Norris who looks like Stacey Coleman filling the other WR spot. The biggest no-show was the TE position, maybe it was planned but Luke was a huge part of Michna's success last season. I still think they need 5 go to WR's
because each offers something different, right now it is Gray, Hall(who I am not sold on still)& Norris who may be the best of the bunch, but I feel Akers needs to be used more and I have said it before, the Frosh. Rademaker needs to play. He seriously might be the best out of all of them because he gives you a little of what each guy does and he is very fast. But what do I know, I guess we will have to watch alot of dropped passes again this season with Gray and Hall, they make the tough grabs but seem to drop too many easy ones. Oh well.


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[> [> [> Re: What happened to Dukes and Vance? -- fourbags, 10:40:57 09/02/03 Tue

heard dukes was at a jc bringing up his grades, but still came up a little short. word has it he is back home in california. being at a jc and trying to get things right, and having money problems, well can be real tough. he will be missed. have heard nothing on vance.


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