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Date Posted: 11/27/07 7:55:45pm
Author: gladeshunter
Subject: Re: Turkey Quota Results
In reply to: markm 's message, "Re: Turkey Quota Results" on 11/23/07 9:01:16pm

>>>>>>>>I didn't get drawn again. I put in for Toso and
>>>>>>>>Prairie Lakes. I've put in every year and last
>>>year
>>>>>>>>was my first spring permit I was awarded for
>>Toso.
>>>>>If
>>>>>>>>you know allot of folks or are willing to buy
>>>>>>multiple
>>>>>>>>WMA permits the system works fine. But if you
>>>apply
>>>>>>>>for only yourself you stand little to no chance
>>of
>>>>>>>>scoring a decent spring huntin Florida. The ME
>>>>>>>>generation is upon us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Come on dude, I put in one time every Year, for
>>me,
>>>>I
>>>>>>>have never put in multible permits, i have been
>>>>>>>skunked too, but that will happen no matter what
>>>you
>>>>>>>do! remember the season isn't here yet, we're
>>still
>>>>>>>transferable, so your chance is still good you
>>will
>>>>>be
>>>>>>>given a hunt! Now, if it were the other way, well
>>>>>your
>>>>>>>season is over before it got started, except for
>>>>>three
>>>>>>>lakes and bull creek, I hunted three lakes last
>>>year
>>>>>>>and took a jake, small one, they cleaned house
>out
>>>>>>>there!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would you want to rely on someone else to
>>>give
>>>>>>you a permit? Seems like a not so sure bet to me.
>>If
>>>>>>you truly believe that 40% of all quota permits
>are
>>>>>>not being used you should be lobbying the
>>commission
>>>>>>to increase the number of permits on these areas
>>>>>>before they go non-transferrable not spend time
>>>>>>fighting the inevitable. I am no fan of
>>>>>>non-transferrable but when some people are
>>receiving
>>>>>>multiple permits and not using or giving them away
>>>>>>then I have to look at the alternatives because
>>>there
>>>>>>are a lot of guys like Keith out there who don't
>>get
>>>>>>permits.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>first things first, what facts do you have about
>who
>>>>>has multible permits not being used?
>>>>>
>>>>>Go to Toso, buck lake, Seminole ranch and ask to
>see
>>>>>the sign in sheet, this is where i get my info,
>>>>>believe it or not!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would you not go an petition the commisioners
>if
>>>>>this is what YOU think will help, just what do you
>>>>>perceive is the "inevidable"?
>>>>>
>>>>>You really think going Non-transferable will get
>you
>>>>>or anyone else a permit every year, you have got to
>>>be
>>>>>kidding me, it ain't going to happen!
>>>>>
>>>>>What was your reasoning for the first sentence, I'm
>>>>>confused on that one, but i do rely on my friends
>as
>>>>>they do me!
>>>>>
>>>>>I know i have posted this hundreds of times but for
>>>>>you I will say it again: I don't like what is
>>>>>happening with the present system, "Gaming" isn't
>>the
>>>>>word i would use because it puts it in line with
>the
>>>>>Lotto system and it isn't anywhere close to that,
>>but
>>>>>for lack of a better word we'll use it!
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, the present system has many more tweeks the
>FWC
>>>>>can use to help get this "gaming" under some
>>control,
>>>>>yet they haven't tried to do so as of yet, WHY?
>>>seeing
>>>>>as you don't want me or anyone else to really know
>>>who
>>>>>you are i will give you the benefit of doubt that
>>you
>>>>>may know this answer assuming you have been in the
>>>>>know, because i have been going to FWC meetings,
>>>>>talking to many, many people, yet i haven't gotten
>>an
>>>>>answer, but in the back ground they have been
>>>>>implimenting some of which I feel will help, yet
>>they
>>>>>aren't willing to give it time, again, WHY?
>>>>>
>>>>>Until the FWC has given all avenues a well deserved
>>>>>chance at getting this under some control,"nothing
>>>>>will make it anywhere close to what we all want it
>>to
>>>>>be", I will continue to fight for the present
>>system!
>>>>>I'm sorry you don't agree with my thoughts but you
>>>can
>>>>>rest assured I will be at every corner making sure
>>>>>this system has been tweeked first before we go
>down
>>>>>another unchartered road!
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>>>Who I am doesn't matter, what I know does. I am in
>>a
>>>>position to know what is going on out there, I meet
>>>>more hunters every day than you will in a year. I
>>hear
>>>>them talk and I listen. I don't just form opinions
>>>>because I looked at sign in sheets from 3 mgt.
>>areas.
>>>>The first sentence in my reply is pretty self
>>>>explanatory except to maybe a Democrat. Again why
>>>>would you want to rely on someone giving you a
>permit
>>>>rather than drawing one yourself, pretty simple
>>>>statement.
>>>>As long as a single person can control multiple
>>>>permits the system will be broke.I know of one
>>>>individual who has just drawn over 20 turkey permits
>>>>for various areas. I know for fact that at least
>half
>>>>of these will go unused.
>>>>I know of 6 Jennings deer permits for the hunt going
>>>>on now that are not being used.I know of 4 blanding
>>>>gun permits not being used right now. Dupuis,
>Hickory
>>>>Hammock, Allapattah,Hungryland, Half Moon, Flying
>>>>Eagle,Potts,Big Cypress,Dinner Island all these
>>places
>>>>and others, too many to list, had permits unused
>>>>because guys had more than 1 and were holding the
>>>>others in case they killed a deer and wanted to try
>>>>for another or they just wanted to keep the pressure
>>>>down. These are not "no Shows " as you like to put
>it
>>>>but rather selfish individuals looking out only for
>>>>themselves and I guarantee you that there were a
>>bunch
>>>>of folks who put in for these areas that didn't get
>>>>drawn and would be pissed if they knew the permits
>>>>were being wasted..We are losing hunters every year
>>>>in Florida, we need to get more in the field and I
>>>>believe that this will do it.I truly believe this.I
>>>>myself have just drawn 3 permits for turkey hunting.
>>1
>>>>for each of the first 3 weeks of the season but
>these
>>>>will all be used, none were in my name so I stand to
>>>>lose as much as anybody if they go
>>non-transferrable.I
>>>>am just sick of the selfish folks out there who are
>>>>only looking out for themselves.
>>>>I too will be doing all I can to change the system
>so
>>>>obviousy you are not changing my mind and I'm not
>>>>changing yours so lets leave it at that.
>>>
>>>
>>>gladeshunter,
>>>
>>>If that is the best you can do is name call and all
>>>the other high horse stuff then Ya, we better stop!
>>>I'm not trying to change your mind, I wanted to see
>if
>>>you can change mine or atleast give me some NEW
>>Facts!
>>>
>>>The present plan isn't going to cut it, 80% of the
>>>people who showed up for the meetings don't want it!
>>>Do you still think the FWC will over ride this?
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>>> YES
>
>
>Then why the need to create a stakeholder group or
>have these town hall meetings? I would like to see
>them try That, but I know they won't! What I see them
>doing is going back to the table and regroup! They
>need something that doesn't reduce Hunting days for
>hunters, something this was going to do! I wouldn't
>have a problem letting the FWC make the southern part
>of florida Non-transferable if that will help you
>guys, that way we can see first hand if it helps or
>not! It seems that is where the majority of this
>Gaming is coming from, it was said at the orlando
>meeting by one of the stake holders it was previlent
>down there, you seem to acknowledge it also!
>
>Mark

>> OK, A guy walks into Seminole Forest and has 4 permits. 3 of them obviously are not going to be used for whatever reason,even though they are transferrable, it doesn't matter.Under a non-transferrable system those other 3 permits will be in the hands of others and the chances of all 3 not showing up are pretty slim. So tell me how would this reduce hunter days? Please explain this to me so i can see where the reduced days are coming in, i truly don't see the math.
I really want to see your side but it just doesn't add up.

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