Re: New Quota Hunt Workgroup Recommendations -- United Hunters of Florida (UHF)

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Date Posted: 01/ 4/08 4:15:27pm
Author: wayne davis
Subject: Re: New Quota Hunt Workgroup Recommendations
In reply to: Markm 's message, "Re: New Quota Hunt Workgroup Recommendations" on 01/ 4/08 12:12:16pm

>Wayne,
>
>if there isn't enough permits to go around, then how
>can you get more then One? this should be evidence
>that you have little or no chance of getting more then
>one! I get one Archery and one Gun once every few
>years but mostly i get permits from others who can't
>hunt or go wait at the stations, that part nobody is
>talking about, alot of hunters will only hunt one day
>or even one part of the day, so many times i have sat
>at the station and gotten hunts that are still good
>for three full days, again another lost hunt if it
>goes Non-transferable!

Mark, I think you know as will as I that getting drawn for a permit will be no different than it is now. It depends on the hunts you put in for. If you put in for the more desirable hunts than your chances are not going to be as good. But with the gaming stopped and the hunts being split out, you will have a better chance than now. Yes hunters will lose opportunities, but how many are losing opportunities now because of the gaming and hording?

I think once the gaming is stopped the FWC will be able to better adjust the quotas for all WMAs and hopefully due away with quotas at some WMAs. Stopping the gaming is just the first step to a long term solution. Not all of the problems with public hunting can be addressed though the quota system. The quota system should be used to distribute hunts fairly.
>
>The only thing you are concerned with is spreading out
>the permits, stopping the Gaming, your not concerned
>at all about whether or not any hunting is done or the
>fact that most likely alot of hunting days will be
>lost!

This is not true. I don't like to see the lost hunting opportunities that we have under the current system. As you have stated some hunts see 50% no shows. If the current system is so great why is this happening? With this high of no show rate it doesn't seem like transferable permits are working. This is why I like the buddy permit. I see the potential to full alot of the no shows with buddy permits. Will this work, I don't know, but I'm willing to give it a shot, because what we have now is not working for most hunters.

>
>Remember, the UHF has to make sure all Hunters get a
>far shake here, what I see as do most people, a loss
>in hunting days for most WMA hunters with this
>Non-transferable system, Yes, i agree the system in
>it's present form has problems, can we fix them? we
>haven't even tried to yet! Why not? All we're asking
>is to try and fix what we have now, We're not going to
>stop all the gamming but we will still be able to use
>the permits if we so desire too... That equals more
>hunting then making them Non-transferable or "dead" if
>Named user doesn't use it!
>

You talk about the UHF having to give all hunters a fair shake, but yet you support transferable permits which is the cause for most of the corruption that is causing most hunter not to get a fair shake. You keep saying we are not fixing the present system, but thats exactly whats being done. The biggest problem with the current system are transferable permits. The skakeholders have compromised and kept them in for the secound and third round permits. So you will still be able to go sit at a WMA and have someone give you a permit. Will it be for the best hunts, probably not, but you still have that opportunity.

>As for the last question, look at the Toso Pamplet,
>read the Quota infomation portion... the UHF was
>informed about this and asked to help get hunters
>onboard, The reason for the change was to keep hunters
>from making certain WMAs, this one in general, their
>personal lease by keeping or obtaining all the
>permits they could! i seen it in action this year seen
>them stamp the permit seen the person who killed the
>deer hunting license looked at and their name put on
>the harvest sheet!
>
>This needs some time to be effective, something else i
>heard, checking permits for whos name is on it and
>whos holding/using it, and documenting if they were
>one in the same or not, this is another good idea,
>it'll give the FWC some data to see exactly how the
>permit is being used! this will show us if the
>Non-transferable system will cause hunters a loss in
>hunting or not! Again, we need data to make good
>Changes!
>
>Mark

Mark, since you want tell me what the UHF is doing or supports I can only assume. And you know what they say about assuming.

Why should we have to come up with clever ways at each WMA to stop what transferable permits are causing. All this does is cut down on some of the abuse at some WMAs that have manned checked stations and compliciate the regs. On some WMAs we now have one deer per quota,one deer per hunter, one quota permit per person, per hunt....this just to fix what transferable permits are causing so you can have a chance at someone giving you a permit.

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Re: New Quota Hunt Workgroup Recommendations -- Markm, 01/ 4/08 4:24:22pm
Re: New Quota Hunt Workgroup Recommendations -- Markm, 01/ 4/08 4:42:48pm