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Date Posted: 02/29/08 7:58:50pm
Author: Markm
Subject: Re: Good read on suggested Quota Changes
In reply to: wayne davis 's message, "Re: Good read on suggested Quota Changes" on 02/29/08 3:41:02pm

>Casey and Mark,

I know we do not agree on how to fix the quota system
>and I also understand why most hunters feel they need
>transferable permits. I think we all recognize that
>the quota system has failed to provide a fair
>distribution of quotas due to the manipulation of the
>system by many hunters.
>
>A fair distribution of the quotas is one, if not the
>main problem with the system. A fair distribution of
>quota is something that the FWC knows it has to fix.
>Ya�ll keep saying keep the quotas transferable, but
>you have not offered any viable way to fix the
>problems caused by transferability. You keep wanting
>to wait for that silver bullet that will make this
>problem go away. We�ve been waiting well over 10
>years for someone to come up with some way to keep
>transferable permits and also have a fair and equal
>chance of quota distribution.
>
>Ya�ll keep saying lets see what the Deer Stakeholders
>group will come up with. What do ya�ll think that this
>group is going to come-up with that will ensure a fair
>distribution of permits?
>
>Please don�t go off on a tangent and start talking
>about bag limits, one quota per hunt, more open WMAs,
>more quotas, walk on quotas etc. None of those solve
>the problem of a fair distribution of permits. They
>are as you say just Band-Aids and quick fixes.
>
>I�m as concerned as you are about losing hunting
>opportunities, but I don�t think transferable permits
>are the only way to fix lost hunting opportunities.
>Just as Mark has said, some WMAs have 50% no-shows, so
>it quite obvious that transferable permits are not
>doing what they were intended to do.

Wayne,

OK, here is the reason the FWC wants it changed, Now, Pronto, and Wayne contrary to what you think, it has not one damn thing to do with "FAIR"! That's a scam!

It was brought to light that some BIG Game Assn. and other ones, not so big, have been using the system to advance and even profit on the Quota system, Yea, they were Caught, don't ask me or the FWC to prove it, it is what it is, that web site That Kenny and Russ have is or has very little to do with it being changed!

Hell, this ain't happening because of the FWC it's higher, I'm sick of hearing you telling anyone they haven't offered up any solutions, Ask JIM, you have his number, we(UHF) and a few other groups for whom we (UHF) work closely with, have been at the forfront of all the changes that(YES) we think will HELP curve the problem! No Tangent either...

You can't give US (UHF) any reasons why the NON- transferable system will HELP anything, by that I mean facts, What facts do you have that lead us to believe it will Make it "FAIR", Then what will Fair distribution do for the AVERAGE hunter, How can YOU assure hunters of that?

Believe me, Casey and I are working from two total different angles, Yet neither one of us Can see where the NON transferable system will benefit anyone, Again, the Numbers don't lie, they are what they are... ask your FWC.

Wayne, Why are you so stead fast for this change? it ain't going to benefit you or anyone you know, or is it? i know alot of hunters who hunt primarily WMAs, yet not one, not one person sees this as a solution to the problem without it causing more problems! it's not far enough along to get a vote from members yet, but as a hunter who hunts WMAs as his primary hunting area, i don't Game the system either, I have all my permits that I have gotten for the last two years If i didn't give them away! I Just don't see it making MY hunting better, so how can it make other truely WMA hunters any better?

Your asking from us something you, THE FWC or any Stake holder on that board can give hunters.... NO, one Hunt per person isn't enough! Fair, by the word alone won't do it either, show me where the system you have grand Illusions on, will be BETTER then, what we have now!

Markm

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Re: Good read on suggested Quota Changes -- wayne davis, 03/ 2/08 7:45:51pm
- Re: Good read on suggested Quota Changes -- markm, 03/ 3/08 8:13:37am