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Date Posted: 19:57:46 12/16/10 Thu
Author: Chilly D.
Subject: Pirates beat change at the P-G?

Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.

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[> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Al Einstein, 22:38:51 12/16/10 Thu [1]

The Pirates beat has to wear on a reporter. But the last thing the Pirates beat coverage needs in this town is Dunlap on the case...

The move would be disappointing, but it wouldn't surprise me. Dejan had some health problems last year and hates being away from his family. It's sometimes worth sacrificing for a major beat, but the Pirates beat continues to slip down the level of importance in this town and likely no longer has the allure it once did.

I wonder if the past buyouts (Chuck Finder, et al) and this request could force a wholesale change in beats at the PG. A couple of the staff members are approaching their 60s (Molinari, Cook, etc). Could be ripe for the picking.

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[> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Seriously, 08:45:49 12/17/10 Fri [1]

What's the over under on the date where Pirates PR and PG management are huddling over the fact Colin (the self-proclaimed up-and-coming boy genius) has ticked off Clint Hurdle pretending he knows more about baseball than anyone employed by the Bucs.

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[> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Honus Kiner, 20:17:10 12/17/10 Fri [1]

Thing about covering sports, you actually see it. News people get quotes from the cops, the governor, Specter, Steelerstahl, Sophie, witnesses, etc. What happened, the newzie says, they respond any way they want or show some report.
In sports, you see someone slide into third and he is out, or safe.
Colin's merits aside, why would he need Hurdle to say the Bucs will hustle (duh), we're gonna put the best nine guys on the field each day and see what happens (duh), our talent is developing (as opposed to 25 other teams where it has already developed -- duh)?
Don't know if Hurdle dislikes Colin or if Colin did something to cause that, but I can't see how it is much of a loss unless Colin lost his input by being gratuitously offensive. If Hurdle won't talk to Colin because Colin asked a tough question, or wrote a column saying the obvious, that the Pirates will still stink, then who needs Hurdle? Will he have any real news when he talks anyway? Don't know too much about Hurdle but he seems more about heat than light. Even if you say it long and loud, shout it from the rooftops all day, a dog is still a dog. If you ask do I think the Pirates blew it on this managerial hire, I say yes. The team needs more brains than biceps. But in fairness, I'll give Clint until, oh, May.




>What's the over under on the date where Pirates PR and
>PG management are huddling over the fact Colin (the
>self-proclaimed up-and-coming boy genius) has ticked
>off Clint Hurdle pretending he knows more about
>baseball than anyone employed by the Bucs.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- I think you miss the point..., 15:02:10 12/19/10 Sun [1]

Colin's arrogance and naivety will not allow him to not shoot his mouth off.
Ever listen to his radio show? It's a repeating pattern...
Whiny sentence, then "I mean, c'mon!"
Lather, rinse, repeat.
He thinks he knows everything and it WILL come back to bite him. He will not last the season because he will alienate the Pirates coaches, players and everyone in the press box.
Bank it.

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[> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- My guess, 00:42:14 12/18/10 Sat [1]

I don't know Hurdle. I know Colin.

March 30.



>What's the over under on the date where Pirates PR and
>PG management are huddling over the fact Colin (the
>self-proclaimed up-and-coming boy genius) has ticked
>off Clint Hurdle pretending he knows more about
>baseball than anyone employed by the Bucs.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Pally Feeney Jr., 17:14:19 12/19/10 Sun [1]

The baseball season is loooooong. The only possibly way you can get through it is to try to at least get along with everyone, be they other writers, broadcasters, players, coaches or the manager. I don't see Colin Dunlap getting along with anyone.



>I don't know Hurdle. I know Colin.
>
>March 30.
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>>What's the over under on the date where Pirates PR and
>>PG management are huddling over the fact Colin (the
>>self-proclaimed up-and-coming boy genius) has ticked
>>off Clint Hurdle pretending he knows more about
>>baseball than anyone employed by the Bucs.

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[> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Al Einstein, 20:30:10 12/19/10 Sun [1]

>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.

Heard some about this today. Apparently they're looking at several options, and Dunlap is just a possibility as a chance to move some of the younger guys around. Also heard that it's highly unlikely that the Steelers and Penguins beats aren't touched.

More interesting than who gets the Pirates beat - because, really, who cares? It's the Pirates - would be where Dejan Kovacevic ends up. Pitt? Columnist? Out of a job?

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[> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Al, 04:40:05 12/20/10 Mon [1]

They don't have many options with a stripped down staff and the possibility of layoffs looming.

Bouchette and Dulac are locked to the Steelers beat. If you think the P-G is going to make changes in beat assignments that they don't absolutely HAVE to make, you don't know Jerry Micco. Making changes is too much like work for him. He'd rather work on his next TV or radio project.



>>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.
>
>Heard some about this today. Apparently they're
>looking at several options, and Dunlap is just a
>possibility as a chance to move some of the younger
>guys around. Also heard that it's highly unlikely that
>the Steelers and Penguins beats aren't touched.
>
>More interesting than who gets the Pirates beat -
>because, really, who cares? It's the Pirates - would
>be where Dejan Kovacevic ends up. Pitt? Columnist? Out
>of a job?

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[> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- ex-scribe, 07:46:25 12/20/10 Mon [1]

I nominate Cory Giger from the Altoona Mirror. Clear writer whether short or long. Gets his facts correct. It's presumptuous of me because I don't know Cory's family situation or if he's interested.
I have long thought that the highest paid person on a newspaper should be the baseball writer, even if it is the Pirates. Well, maybe lower than the editor.
It is an exhausting job loaded with news, and especially difficult since today's web editions put the writer on edition 24 hours a day.
Any sportswriter can cover the Steelers, maybe not as well as Ed Bouchette, but with the organized press conference and one game a week, it is much simpler than the dynamics of a 162-game, day in and night out news factory.
A wit once was asked if it was fun covering baseball. He said he was not sure. "It like being married to a nymphomaniac -- it sounds great, but it is exhausting."

>They don't have many options with a stripped down
>staff and the possibility of layoffs looming.
>
>Bouchette and Dulac are locked to the Steelers beat.
>If you think the P-G is going to make changes in beat
>assignments that they don't absolutely HAVE to make,
>you don't know Jerry Micco. Making changes is too much
>like work for him. He'd rather work on his next TV or
>radio project.
>
>
>
>>>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>>>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>>>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.
>>
>>Heard some about this today. Apparently they're
>>looking at several options, and Dunlap is just a
>>possibility as a chance to move some of the younger
>>guys around. Also heard that it's highly unlikely that
>>the Steelers and Penguins beats aren't touched.
>>
>>More interesting than who gets the Pirates beat -
>>because, really, who cares? It's the Pirates - would
>>be where Dejan Kovacevic ends up. Pitt? Columnist? Out
>>of a job?

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Mike, 22:48:44 12/20/10 Mon [1]

They're not going to hire anyone from the outside. They're under orders now to cut staff, either through buyouts or layoffs.




>I nominate Cory Giger from the Altoona Mirror. Clear
>writer whether short or long. Gets his facts correct.
>It's presumptuous of me because I don't know Cory's
>family situation or if he's interested.
>I have long thought that the highest paid person on a
>newspaper should be the baseball writer, even if it is
>the Pirates. Well, maybe lower than the editor.
>It is an exhausting job loaded with news, and
>especially difficult since today's web editions put
>the writer on edition 24 hours a day.
>Any sportswriter can cover the Steelers, maybe not as
>well as Ed Bouchette, but with the organized press
>conference and one game a week, it is much simpler
>than the dynamics of a 162-game, day in and night out
>news factory.
>A wit once was asked if it was fun covering baseball.
>He said he was not sure. "It like being married to a
>nymphomaniac -- it sounds great, but it is exhausting."
>
>>They don't have many options with a stripped down
>>staff and the possibility of layoffs looming.
>>
>>Bouchette and Dulac are locked to the Steelers beat.
>>If you think the P-G is going to make changes in beat
>>assignments that they don't absolutely HAVE to make,
>>you don't know Jerry Micco. Making changes is too much
>>like work for him. He'd rather work on his next TV or
>>radio project.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>>>>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't
>want
>>>>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.
>>>
>>>Heard some about this today. Apparently they're
>>>looking at several options, and Dunlap is just a
>>>possibility as a chance to move some of the younger
>>>guys around. Also heard that it's highly unlikely
>that
>>>the Steelers and Penguins beats aren't touched.
>>>
>>>More interesting than who gets the Pirates beat -
>>>because, really, who cares? It's the Pirates - would
>>>be where Dejan Kovacevic ends up. Pitt? Columnist?
>Out
>>>of a job?

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[> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- GC, 03:00:14 06/13/11 Mon [1]

>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.

I heard that Zeise will be given a chance to do some of the baseball coverage for now.

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[> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Lesson to learn, kids..., 16:21:32 06/13/11 Mon [1]

I think John Perrotto may be learning now that Twitter and Facebook aren't the best places to vent. It will come back haunt you.

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[> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Pally Feeney, 17:19:57 06/18/11 Sat [1]

I don't see how the Post-Gazette wouldn't at least consider John Perrotto. He covered the team for 20-some years and, from what I've been able to gather, knows some of the biggest shakers and movers in baseball. I don't know how you can't at least interview him.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- I'll tell you why..., 17:14:18 06/19/11 Sun [1]

Google his name and pirates beat reporter and watch all what comes up with his Twitter and Facebook being critical of his employers at the time. He cannot be trusted to filter himself.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Here is a good link, 17:24:28 06/19/11 Sun [1]


http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/24/2187064/colin-dunlap-quits-john-perrotto-post-gazette

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Pally Feeney, 20:58:26 06/19/11 Sun [1]

I think it's at least understandable why the guy would be upset when the Nuttings tried to ruin his career and his reputation. I've spoken to John about this and there is more to the story than a lot of people know.

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> >href="http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/24/2187064/colin
>-dunlap-quits-john-perrotto-post-gazette">http://www.bu
>csdugout.com/2011/5/24/2187064/colin-dunlap-quits-john-
>perrotto-post-gazette

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Oh really now?, 08:30:13 06/20/11 Mon [1]

Whatever.
John is a man who continues to feel sorry for himself and blame everyone else for his shortcomings. There's a reason he's never been interviewed at the P-G.
He simply isn't that good.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Pally Feeney, 16:56:29 06/20/11 Mon [1]

That's interesting. Certainly a different portrayal than the person I've gotten to know a little bit over the years. I've always found him to be a decent guy, certainly more accessible and friendly than many other media members in Pittsburgh.



>Whatever.
>John is a man who continues to feel sorry for himself
>and blame everyone else for his shortcomings. There's
>a reason he's never been interviewed at the P-G.
>He simply isn't that good.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- I understand that..., 09:49:20 06/20/11 Mon [1]

But you don't air it in public.
Take the high road, don't tweet that the Pirates are lying again.

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[> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Scoop, 22:39:23 07/14/11 Thu [1]

>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.

Here's Jerry Micco's candid response to a question during his online chat July 13:

F_Farrell: Hi Jerry. Any news on the search for new hires and when they'll be thrown into the mix? And will they be familiar names or have you hired out of town people?

Jerry Micco: I don't comment on personnel issues in public.

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[> [> Re: Did you ever think to consider ... -- Retired Job Hopper, 17:30:02 07/15/11 Fri [1]

that in many instances people who are looking or have interviewed for a job do not want their current employer to know what they're up to.

The fact is, a lot of employers don't take kindly when the hired help is out checking the length of the grass on the other side of the fence. The attitude of more than one boss is: If you don't like it here, hit the road. There are a ton of qualified people out there who would stand in line to have your job. That's a hard reality of life.

And, the bottom line is: what does Micco have to gain by telling the world who he's interviewed, who he'd like to interview and/or when he would like to fill any vacancy he might have?

H_Farrell can certain ask the question, but Jerry Micco would be a fool to answer.

Word of who has interviewed for a job vacancy in the newspaper business often gets out, and in many instances it has something to do with the fact many sports writers, news reporters and copy editors couldn't keep a secret if their lives depended on it. They love to gossip, it's in their blood.

Their bosses, for the most part, don't have that luxury. If they want good people to apply when they do have an opening, they damn sure better be able to keep the process private.
>
>Here's Jerry Micco's candid response to a question
>during his online chat July 13:
>
>F_Farrell: Hi Jerry. Any news on the search for new
>hires and when they'll be thrown into the mix? And
>will they be familiar names or have you hired out of
>town people?
>
>Jerry Micco: I don't comment on personnel issues in
>public.

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[> [> [> Re: Did you ever think to consider ... -- Smooth It Out, 23:21:14 07/15/11 Fri [1]

How about if he says something like, "The process is ongoing, and we're looking forward to making some great additions to our fine staff. I'm hopeful I'll have something to tell you soon. Keep reading the section."

There's no need for the Mr. Corporate, "I don't comment on personnel issues in public."

Media people think businesses should tell them everything, but they clam up when the questions are aimed at them.

All it takes to give a decent but non-substantial answer is a little finesse. Clearly, that's beyond Mr. Micco's grasp.



>that in many instances people who are looking or have
>interviewed for a job do not want their current
>employer to know what they're up to.
>
>The fact is, a lot of employers don't take kindly when
>the hired help is out checking the length of the grass
>on the other side of the fence. The attitude of more
>than one boss is: If you don't like it here, hit the
>road. There are a ton of qualified people out there
>who would stand in line to have your job. That's a
>hard reality of life.
>
>And, the bottom line is: what does Micco have to gain
>by telling the world who he's interviewed, who he'd
>like to interview and/or when he would like to fill
>any vacancy he might have?
>
>H_Farrell can certain ask the question, but Jerry
>Micco would be a fool to answer.
>
>Word of who has interviewed for a job vacancy in the
>newspaper business often gets out, and in many
>instances it has something to do with the fact many
>sports writers, news reporters and copy editors
>couldn't keep a secret if their lives depended on it.
>They love to gossip, it's in their blood.
>
>Their bosses, for the most part, don't have that
>luxury. If they want good people to apply when they do
>have an opening, they damn sure better be able to keep
>the process private.
>>
>>Here's Jerry Micco's candid response to a question
>>during his online chat July 13:
>>
>>F_Farrell: Hi Jerry. Any news on the search for new
>>hires and when they'll be thrown into the mix? And
>>will they be familiar names or have you hired out of
>>town people?
>>
>>Jerry Micco: I don't comment on personnel issues in
>>public.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Did you ever think to consider ... -- Sar Chasm, 08:45:17 07/16/11 Sat [1]

Any chance he was just trying to be funny? i.e., giving the exact same answer that all sports team presidents and GMs give when talking about coaching hire?

That's how I took it -- an attempt at a joke.

But yeah, your answer would have been equally acceptable.

>How about if he says something like, "The process is
>ongoing, and we're looking forward to making some
>great additions to our fine staff. I'm hopeful I'll
>have something to tell you soon. Keep reading the
>section."
>
>There's no need for the Mr. Corporate, "I don't
>comment on personnel issues in public."
>
>Media people think businesses should tell them
>everything, but they clam up when the questions are
>aimed at them.
>
>All it takes to give a decent but non-substantial
>answer is a little finesse. Clearly, that's beyond Mr.
>Micco's grasp.
>
>
>
>>that in many instances people who are looking or have
>>interviewed for a job do not want their current
>>employer to know what they're up to.
>>
>>The fact is, a lot of employers don't take kindly when
>>the hired help is out checking the length of the grass
>>on the other side of the fence. The attitude of more
>>than one boss is: If you don't like it here, hit the
>>road. There are a ton of qualified people out there
>>who would stand in line to have your job. That's a
>>hard reality of life.
>>
>>And, the bottom line is: what does Micco have to gain
>>by telling the world who he's interviewed, who he'd
>>like to interview and/or when he would like to fill
>>any vacancy he might have?
>>
>>H_Farrell can certain ask the question, but Jerry
>>Micco would be a fool to answer.
>>
>>Word of who has interviewed for a job vacancy in the
>>newspaper business often gets out, and in many
>>instances it has something to do with the fact many
>>sports writers, news reporters and copy editors
>>couldn't keep a secret if their lives depended on it.
>>They love to gossip, it's in their blood.
>>
>>Their bosses, for the most part, don't have that
>>luxury. If they want good people to apply when they do
>>have an opening, they damn sure better be able to keep
>>the process private.
>>>
>>>Here's Jerry Micco's candid response to a question
>>>during his online chat July 13:
>>>
>>>F_Farrell: Hi Jerry. Any news on the search for new
>>>hires and when they'll be thrown into the mix? And
>>>will they be familiar names or have you hired out of
>>>town people?
>>>
>>>Jerry Micco: I don't comment on personnel issues in
>>>public.

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[> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Grantland Ricekrispies, 21:44:51 07/16/11 Sat [1]

The problem is rudeness, arrogance. Who runs a chat, which by nature says talk to me, ask me questions, then smacks someone in the face with the imperious I dont talk about personnel matters in public? He is saying your question is not good and you are not good for asking it, and I won't answer it because I only answer questions that I like, which is also condescending. But it also reveals that he was too dumb, lazy or cavalier to get prepared for the chat. Didn't he think someone would ask him something about the sports reporter bit with two longtimers leaving recently? He should have been prepared with at least I'll get back to you or else something more artful, like humor, to defuse it, maybe, We hired Grantland Rice, Red Smith and Jim Murray, or something. But he is a PG manager, and artful they aren't. In fact competent and professional they are not, as a rule, and surely not respectful to readers, listeners, chatters. If Micco wants only softball questions, he should can the chats, because there are a lot more smart people out there than PG managers want to admit.



Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.
>
>Here's Jerry Micco's candid response to a question
>during his online chat July 13:
>
>F_Farrell: Hi Jerry. Any news on the search for new
>hires and when they'll be thrown into the mix? And
>will they be familiar names or have you hired out of
>town people?
>
>Jerry Micco: I don't comment on personnel issues in
>public.

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[> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- Burt, 23:31:11 08/24/11 Wed [1]

P-G dodged a bullet since the Pirates collapsed. They decided to stick with the kids instead of hiring someone with experience. Saves money, but the coverage is substandard. Not the kids' fault, it's just too much for them at this point. Hard to believe a major metro would have this level of coverage on a major sports beat for an entire season. Dunlap was inadequate. Oh well, at least the kids are willing to confront the challenge rather than run away from it.


>Rumor is the tireless Dejan Kovacevic is tired of
>covering the Pirates and told the P-G he doesn't want
>to do it any more. Colin Dunlap to take over.

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[> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- tasteless, 08:06:25 08/25/11 Thu [1]

To say that "Dunlap ran away from it" is really in poor taste.
The man is raising his family that includes two babies that were very ill.

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[> [> [> Re: Pirates beat change at the P-G? -- In poor taste?, 18:08:34 08/25/11 Thu [1]

>To say that "Dunlap ran away from it" is really in
>poor taste.
>The man is raising his family that includes two babies
>that were very ill.

They weren't very ill, they were typical preemies. Happily, both doing great.
That said, he could have taken a leave and returned. He absolutely ran away, this was convenient timing. He learned early the beat was a lot harder than he thought, often scoffing at those who were doing it. Then he got thrown in, and it overwhelmed him.

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