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Date Posted: 13:44:55 12/15/11 Thu
Author: Just a Reader
Subject: Trib bests PG in Todd Graham story

It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib did a much better job than the PG with the Todd Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.

Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.

None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure made the timeline and Graham quotes particularly effective.

I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but I found myself wanting more. But, I have come to realize that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers much beyond the minimum.

But, this story required some extra effort and you rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of Steelers coverage.

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[> Re: Trib bests PG in Todd Graham story -- Online v. Print, 15:32:49 12/15/11 Thu [1]

>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>
>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but
>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>
>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have
>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure made
>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly effective.
>
>
>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but I
>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to realize
>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>much beyond the minimum.
>
>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>Steelers coverage.


And the PG did a really poor job of marketing their online readers with this story, too. Only two stories - none of the sidebar stuff - made it to the web. No reaction on the Pitt blog until today.

The Trib utilized their ugly site well. Have to give them a lot of credit for covering everything. It wasn't the best quality, but they certainly put the effort into it.

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[> Re: Trib bests PG in Todd Graham story -- Outside Observer, 20:29:51 12/15/11 Thu [1]

P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired and replaced by someone with organizational skills; creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond self-promotion via TV and online chats.


>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>
>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but
>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>
>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have
>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure made
>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly effective.
>
>
>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but I
>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to realize
>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>much beyond the minimum.
>
>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> Re: Trib bests PG in Todd Graham story -- Woody Hayes, 06:22:25 12/17/11 Sat [1]

Found it interesting that the Tribune-Review's Chris Harlan took the initiative to talk to Luke Fickell at the PIAA Class AAA championship game on Friday. Wasn't any earth-shattering stuff but Fickell did at least admit he would be interested in coming to Pitt.

Post-Gazette? Just an acknowledgement that Fickell was in Hershey and not a bit more.




>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired and
>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>
>
>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>
>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but
>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>
>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have
>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure made
>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly effective.
>>
>>
>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but I
>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to realize
>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>>much beyond the minimum.
>>
>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Just a Reader, 07:56:26 12/17/11 Sat [1]

Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's approach to the Pitt coaching story?

The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting trip to Hersey.

In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has NOT yet interviewed, according to Fickell.

The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.? Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on the Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like Musselman when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.

I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was posted yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third coaching candidate, but that's it.

In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not been an interview, but what does he have to lose by not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban Meyer, certainly must know of his interest since he and Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship game.

I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the past. But, I don't know what to make of his current effort, or lack thereof.

The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the coverage of news. That's been going on for a few years now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the Pitt story is pathetic.

I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based on what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to spend 75 cents to find out.

One other question, how does Micco keep his job?

>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired and
>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>
>
>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>
>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but
>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>
>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have
>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure made
>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly effective.
>>
>>
>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but I
>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to realize
>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>>much beyond the minimum.
>>
>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Woody Hayes, 18:18:49 12/17/11 Sat [1]

While I never thought I'd live to see the day the Trib would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports department in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't really had a truly good sports section since the Press (no, not the online version!).

>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>
>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the
>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting trip
>to Hersey.
>
>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for
>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has NOT
>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>
>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on the
>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like Musselman
>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>
>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was posted
>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>
>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have
>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban Meyer,
>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship game.
>
>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the past.
>But, I don't know what to make of his current effort,
>or lack thereof.
>
>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few years
>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held
>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the
>Pitt story is pathetic.
>
>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based on
>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to spend
>75 cents to find out.
>
>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>
>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired and
>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>
>>
>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>
>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier), but
>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>
>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers have
>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>made
>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>effective.
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but
>I
>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>realize
>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>
>>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Gabby Hayes, 02:15:11 12/18/11 Sun [1]

Memories might be better than reality. Press columnists were Collier and Smizik. Now we have Cook and Collier. Smizik and Cook are both pot stirrers with marginal writing skills. Collier is the same as always, expect now he's lazier.

Steelers coverage in the Press was by Steve Hubbard. Bouchette/Dulac are clearly better.

Molinari did Pens for both.

Anybody would be better than current P-G Pirates coverage. I think Hertzel was at the Press, so that's a clear win for the Press.

Mike DeCourcey on college hoops was better than any P-G combination.

Press had a much larger staff and had much better leadership with Russ Brown/Sam Bechtel. Micco/Eyring aren't even worthy of mention compared to Brown/Bechtel.



>While I never thought I'd live to see the day the Trib
>would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports department
>in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't
>really had a truly good sports section since the Press
>(no, not the online version!).
>
>>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>>
>>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the
>>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting trip
>>to Hersey.
>>
>>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for
>>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has NOT
>>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>>
>>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on the
>>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like Musselman
>>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>>
>>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was posted
>>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>>
>>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have
>>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban Meyer,
>>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship game.
>>
>>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the past.
>>But, I don't know what to make of his current effort,
>>or lack thereof.
>>
>>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few years
>>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held
>>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the
>>Pitt story is pathetic.
>>
>>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based on
>>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to spend
>>75 cents to find out.
>>
>>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>>
>>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired and
>>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>>
>>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier),
>but
>>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter compiled
>>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes about
>>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>>
>>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers
>have
>>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>>made
>>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>>effective.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job, but
>>I
>>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>>realize
>>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its readers
>>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>>
>>>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Just a Reader, 11:49:35 12/18/11 Sun [1]

Not sure what any of the previous comments in this thread have to do with, as Collier calls it in his PG Web bio, the long dead Pittsburgh Press. I believe the discussion was of the current PG and Trib.

But thanks for the trip down memory lane Gabby, even if your memory as to best differs from mine. Or, should I say Russ/Sam.

>Memories might be better than reality. Press
>columnists were Collier and Smizik. Now we have Cook
>and Collier. Smizik and Cook are both pot stirrers
>with marginal writing skills. Collier is the same as
>always, expect now he's lazier.
>
>Steelers coverage in the Press was by Steve Hubbard.
>Bouchette/Dulac are clearly better.
>
>Molinari did Pens for both.
>
>Anybody would be better than current P-G Pirates
>coverage. I think Hertzel was at the Press, so that's
>a clear win for the Press.
>
>Mike DeCourcey on college hoops was better than any
>P-G combination.
>
>Press had a much larger staff and had much better
>leadership with Russ Brown/Sam Bechtel. Micco/Eyring
>aren't even worthy of mention compared to
>Brown/Bechtel.
>
>
>
>>While I never thought I'd live to see the day the Trib
>>would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports department
>>in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't
>>really had a truly good sports section since the Press
>>(no, not the online version!).
>>
>>>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>>>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>>>
>>>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>>>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the
>>>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting
>trip
>>>to Hersey.
>>>
>>>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for
>>>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>>>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has NOT
>>>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>>>
>>>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>>>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on
>the
>>>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like
>Musselman
>>>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>>>
>>>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>>>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was
>posted
>>>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>>>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>>>
>>>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>>>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have
>>>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>>>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>>>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>>>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban
>Meyer,
>>>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>>>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>>>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship game.
>>>
>>>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the past.
>>>But, I don't know what to make of his current effort,
>>>or lack thereof.
>>>
>>>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>>>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few
>years
>>>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held
>>>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the
>>>Pitt story is pathetic.
>>>
>>>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>>>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>>>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based
>on
>>>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to spend
>>>75 cents to find out.
>>>
>>>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>>>
>>>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired
>and
>>>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier),
>>but
>>>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter
>compiled
>>>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes
>about
>>>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>>>
>>>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers
>>have
>>>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>>>made
>>>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>>>effective.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job,
>but
>>>I
>>>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>>>realize
>>>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its
>readers
>>>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Gabby Hayes, 15:49:39 12/18/11 Sun [1]

I know Mommy always tells you that you're special, but there was a post after yours making a different point, namely that there hasn't been a good sports section since the old Press. My point was maybe the old Press wasn't quite the superior product that fading memory suggests it might be. So, you see, there was a discussion beyond your post. It's not always just about you.

You have a good day!

>Not sure what any of the previous comments in this
>thread have to do with, as Collier calls it in his PG
>Web bio, the long dead Pittsburgh Press. I believe the
>discussion was of the current PG and Trib.
>
>But thanks for the trip down memory lane Gabby, even
>if your memory as to best differs from mine. Or,
>should I say Russ/Sam.
>
>>Memories might be better than reality. Press
>>columnists were Collier and Smizik. Now we have Cook
>>and Collier. Smizik and Cook are both pot stirrers
>>with marginal writing skills. Collier is the same as
>>always, expect now he's lazier.
>>
>>Steelers coverage in the Press was by Steve Hubbard.
>>Bouchette/Dulac are clearly better.
>>
>>Molinari did Pens for both.
>>
>>Anybody would be better than current P-G Pirates
>>coverage. I think Hertzel was at the Press, so that's
>>a clear win for the Press.
>>
>>Mike DeCourcey on college hoops was better than any
>>P-G combination.
>>
>>Press had a much larger staff and had much better
>>leadership with Russ Brown/Sam Bechtel. Micco/Eyring
>>aren't even worthy of mention compared to
>>Brown/Bechtel.
>>
>>
>>
>>>While I never thought I'd live to see the day the
>Trib
>>>would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports department
>>>in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't
>>>really had a truly good sports section since the
>Press
>>>(no, not the online version!).
>>>
>>>>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>>>>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>>>>
>>>>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>>>>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the
>>>>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting
>>trip
>>>>to Hersey.
>>>>
>>>>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for
>>>>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>>>>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has
>NOT
>>>>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>>>>
>>>>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>>>>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on
>>the
>>>>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like
>>Musselman
>>>>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>>>>
>>>>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>>>>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was
>>posted
>>>>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>>>>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>>>>
>>>>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>>>>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have
>>>>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>>>>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>>>>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>>>>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban
>>Meyer,
>>>>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>>>>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>>>>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship
>game.
>>>>
>>>>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the
>past.
>>>>But, I don't know what to make of his current
>effort,
>>>>or lack thereof.
>>>>
>>>>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>>>>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few
>>years
>>>>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held
>>>>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the
>>>>Pitt story is pathetic.
>>>>
>>>>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>>>>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>>>>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based
>>on
>>>>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to
>spend
>>>>75 cents to find out.
>>>>
>>>>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>>>>
>>>>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>>>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired
>>and
>>>>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>>>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>>>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the
>Trib
>>>>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>>>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier),
>>>but
>>>>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't
>done
>>>>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>>>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter
>>compiled
>>>>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes
>>about
>>>>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers
>>>have
>>>>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>>>>made
>>>>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>>>>effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job,
>>but
>>>>I
>>>>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>>>>realize
>>>>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its
>>readers
>>>>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>>>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>>>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Just a Reader, 18:52:51 12/18/11 Sun [1]

I didn't see the reference to the old Press so your arrows in my direction were deserved. Touche. However, direct the barbs at me. I'm a big boy and can take the abuse.

And while we're dealing in history, I'll go out on the limb and say the best sports columnist at either the Press or PG in the last 50 years was Roy McHugh of the Press. Roy, who also ran the Press Sports Department for a couple of years in the early 1960s, was in a league of his own. I suspect Collier and Phil Musick, both very good sports columnist in their prime, would agree.



>I know Mommy always tells you that you're special, but
>there was a post after yours making a different point,
>namely that there hasn't been a good sports section
>since the old Press. My point was maybe the old Press
>wasn't quite the superior product that fading memory
>suggests it might be. So, you see, there was a
>discussion beyond your post. It's not always just
>about you.
>
>You have a good day!
>
>>Not sure what any of the previous comments in this
>>thread have to do with, as Collier calls it in his PG
>>Web bio, the long dead Pittsburgh Press. I believe the
>>discussion was of the current PG and Trib.
>>
>>But thanks for the trip down memory lane Gabby, even
>>if your memory as to best differs from mine. Or,
>>should I say Russ/Sam.
>>
>>>Memories might be better than reality. Press
>>>columnists were Collier and Smizik. Now we have Cook
>>>and Collier. Smizik and Cook are both pot stirrers
>>>with marginal writing skills. Collier is the same as
>>>always, expect now he's lazier.
>>>
>>>Steelers coverage in the Press was by Steve Hubbard.
>>>Bouchette/Dulac are clearly better.
>>>
>>>Molinari did Pens for both.
>>>
>>>Anybody would be better than current P-G Pirates
>>>coverage. I think Hertzel was at the Press, so that's
>>>a clear win for the Press.
>>>
>>>Mike DeCourcey on college hoops was better than any
>>>P-G combination.
>>>
>>>Press had a much larger staff and had much better
>>>leadership with Russ Brown/Sam Bechtel. Micco/Eyring
>>>aren't even worthy of mention compared to
>>>Brown/Bechtel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>While I never thought I'd live to see the day the
>>Trib
>>>>would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports
>department
>>>>in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't
>>>>really had a truly good sports section since the
>>Press
>>>>(no, not the online version!).
>>>>
>>>>>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>>>>>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>>>>>
>>>>>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>>>>>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of
>the
>>>>>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting
>>>trip
>>>>>to Hersey.
>>>>>
>>>>>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach
>for
>>>>>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>>>>>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has
>>NOT
>>>>>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>>>>>
>>>>>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>>>>>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on
>>>the
>>>>>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like
>>>Musselman
>>>>>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>>>>>
>>>>>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>>>>>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was
>>>posted
>>>>>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>>>>>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>>>>>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could
>have
>>>>>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>>>>>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>>>>>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>>>>>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban
>>>Meyer,
>>>>>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>>>>>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>>>>>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship
>>game.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the
>>past.
>>>>>But, I don't know what to make of his current
>>effort,
>>>>>or lack thereof.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>>>>>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few
>>>years
>>>>>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than
>held
>>>>>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on
>the
>>>>>Pitt story is pathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>>>>>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>>>>>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based
>>>on
>>>>>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to
>>spend
>>>>>75 cents to find out.
>>>>>
>>>>>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>>>>>
>>>>>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>>>>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired
>>>and
>>>>>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>>>>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>>>>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the
>>Trib
>>>>>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>>>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the
>obligatory
>>>>>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier),
>>>>but
>>>>>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't
>>done
>>>>>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline,
>reaction
>>>>>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter
>>>compiled
>>>>>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes
>>>about
>>>>>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers
>>>>have
>>>>>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>>>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>>>>>made
>>>>>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>>>>>effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job,
>>>but
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>>>>>realize
>>>>>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its
>>>readers
>>>>>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But, this story required some extra effort and
>you
>>>>>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>>>>>Steelers coverage.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: PG Continues to run 2nd -- Grantland Ricekrispies, 12:28:57 12/18/11 Sun [1]

Jerry Micco is a very nice guy, and Donna Eyering is nice too. Maybe they are too nice. But whatever, they work hard, put in the hours and are not slackers, if their talent and skill are limited, as those of all of us are. So what's the problem? The same as it always is. These two did not empower themselves. You have to look farther up the food chain to those who did empower them, tell them what to do and keep them in power. Those are the ones with dubious motivation, talent, professionalism, imagination, fairness and team play. I wouldn't whip Jerry and Donna. They are caught in the act of being themselves for better or worse. But when the owners don't even know the people who have been working there for decades, have only cut employee compensation and not raised it since 2006, have made deals with the Trib on circulation and with others because "new revenue streams" as well as payroll cuts are all they want because profits are all they can think about, what do you expect? And they bring in an Ivy League (like them) relative management novice as executive editor who is a Pulitzer winning writer but who never oversaw very many people and is excruciatingly over his head as a manager of a couple hundred, and he has allowed the owners to take measures that erode news quality because he needs to smile at them to pay that $700,000 mortgage. The Guild leadership is so close to management now, too, the rank and file really have nowhere to take a lot of legitimate complaints -- not management, not Guild -- so do their work until the time is right to get out. Other than that, everything is fine at the PG.


>Memories might be better than reality. Press
>columnists were Collier and Smizik. Now we have Cook
>and Collier. Smizik and Cook are both pot stirrers
>with marginal writing skills. Collier is the same as
>always, expect now he's lazier.
>
>Steelers coverage in the Press was by Steve Hubbard.
>Bouchette/Dulac are clearly better.
>
>Molinari did Pens for both.
>
>Anybody would be better than current P-G Pirates
>coverage. I think Hertzel was at the Press, so that's
>a clear win for the Press.
>
>Mike DeCourcey on college hoops was better than any
>P-G combination.
>
>Press had a much larger staff and had much better
>leadership with Russ Brown/Sam Bechtel. Micco/Eyring
>aren't even worthy of mention compared to
>Brown/Bechtel.
>
>
>
>>While I never thought I'd live to see the day the Trib
>>would supplant the P-G as the No. 1 sports department
>>in town, the fact of the matter is Pittsburgh hasn't
>>really had a truly good sports section since the Press
>>(no, not the online version!).
>>
>>>Can someone explain what's going on with Micco's
>>>approach to the Pitt coaching story?
>>>
>>>The Trib double-teams the story and shows some good
>>>journalistic hustle by getting comment by one of the
>>>candidates, Luke Fickell, while he's a recruiting
>trip
>>>to Hersey.
>>>
>>>In those comments, Fickell, the Ohio State coach for
>>>one year, reveals that he was contacted by Pitt
>>>through mutual acquaintances. But, he says he has NOT
>>>yet interviewed, according to Fickell.
>>>
>>>The PG? Again, what are they thinking on the Blvd.?
>>>Certainly this is the biggest story of the year on
>the
>>>Pitt football beat. And PG beat writer, like
>Musselman
>>>when the Penn State football story broke, is MIA.
>>>
>>>I log into the PG Web site this morning only to see
>>>the same four-paragraph story by Zeise that was
>posted
>>>yesterday. Perhaps they added the name of a third
>>>coaching candidate, but that's it.
>>>
>>>In this embarrassing coverage, Zeise reports that
>>>Fickell has been interviewed. Now Fickell could have
>>>been hedging by telling the Trib that there has not
>>>been an interview, but what does he have to lose by
>>>not telling the truth. He told the Trib he was
>>>interested in the Pitt job, and his boss, Urban
>Meyer,
>>>certainly must know of his interest since he and
>>>Fickell were together in Hersey looking at a 5-star
>>>recruit play in the PIAA Class AAA championship game.
>>>
>>>I've always liked Paul Zeise's hustle -- in the past.
>>>But, I don't know what to make of his current effort,
>>>or lack thereof.
>>>
>>>The Trib has often kicked the PG's behind in the
>>>coverage of news. That's been going on for a few
>years
>>>now. But, the PG sports has generally more than held
>>>it's own against the Trib. But, the PG effort on the
>>>Pitt story is pathetic.
>>>
>>>I should add that I'm basing my comments on reading
>>>the two paper's Web sites. Perhaps there's more in
>>>what the PG is offering at the newstand. But, based
>on
>>>what's I'm reading on the Net, I'm not going to spend
>>>75 cents to find out.
>>>
>>>One other question, how does Micco keep his job?
>>>
>>>>P-G's disjointed approach reflects the lack of
>>>>leadership. The Micco/Eyring team should be fired
>and
>>>>replaced by someone with organizational skills;
>>>>creativity and a work ethic that extends beyond
>>>>self-promotion via TV and online chats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's not really news anymore, but I though the Trib
>>>>>did a much better job than the PG with the Todd
>>>>>Graham-goes-to-Arizona State story.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both papers had a good main bar and the obligatory
>>>>>column (Rossi vs. Zeise and Starkey vs. Collier),
>>but
>>>>>the Trib went the extra mile (PG Sports hasn't done
>>>>>that in a looooong time) with a timeline, reaction
>>>>>from the usual Pitt suspects and Joe Rutter
>compiled
>>>>>an interesting list of some of Graham's quotes
>about
>>>>>loyality, honesty, etc. while at Pitt.
>>>>>
>>>>>None of these extras are great ideas. Newspapers
>>have
>>>>>been doing timelines, reax and quote compilations
>>>>>forever. But, the suddeness of Graham's departure
>>>made
>>>>>the timeline and Graham quotes particularly
>>>effective.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't think the PG necessarily did a bad job,
>but
>>>I
>>>>>found myself wanting more. But, I have come to
>>>realize
>>>>>that PG Sports doesn't believe in giving its
>readers
>>>>>much beyond the minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, this story required some extra effort and you
>>>>>rarely see that in the PG beyond the overkill of
>>>>>Steelers coverage.

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