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Date Posted: 06:15:28 07/11/16 Mon
Author: Former PG Reader
Subject: Re: Online only PG
In reply to: Holly Daye 's message, "Online only PG" on 14:13:31 05/31/16 Tue

By not publishing on Memorial Day and July 4, the Post-Gazette caused me -- for the first time EVER -- to pick up the Tribune-Reciew on the newsstand. It turned out to be a reasonable substitute.

Now, with the PG's price rising 33% to $2 yesterday, I have become a T-R customer (still just 75 cents!). It is not that I can't afford $2; I will not pay $2 for the sorry shadow of a newspaper the PG has become. And forget the atrocious PG web site.

Bye-bye Johnny Block et al. You have sunk to the level of your competition.

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[> [> Re: Online only PG -- Bow Tie Follies, 21:04:14 07/11/16 Mon [1]

It's not a paper for Pittsburgh as a whole anymore. It's a paper for the 1%, a group Johnny Boy Block is part of, with his brother and cousins. He surrounds himself with snooty dilettante editors like Beltway Dave, slices away a lot of the features sections and figures if "da yinzers" can't afford $ 2 a copy or can't find home delivery, hell with 'em. He'll target the high end market alone and include sports as a come-on. Toledo's profits don't come from the Blade and PG but from TV stations and cable companies. Serving the affluent alone won't work. Whether they've been in business 230 years or not, by using that "strategy," the PG will still go under. At the end, they'll whine how Western Pennsylvania didn't support them, not realizing things like $ 2 per copy only proved they didn't give longtime readers any reason to stick around.

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[> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- lowest percentile, 10:24:17 07/13/16 Wed [1]

If the PG were actually trying to target the 1%, wouldn't the paper hire writers who can write with at least some degree of sophistication? The New York Observer targets the 1% with urbane, stylish, witty prose. I am not a member of the 1% but would be inclined to spend $2 for the PG if the writing were not consistently clumsy, amateurish, and flat.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- Dem O' Graffick, 00:36:05 07/14/16 Thu [1]

I think they want to TARGET the 1% with their story focus but without spending a hell of a lot of money. Your view is totally on target, but the other problem is the PG is slicing away sections people have long enjoyed. On Thursdays, PG's Weekend section is diminished to the point it's no better than the Trib's Ticket. But you still pay $ 2 a pop as opposed to 75 cents.

"Urbane, stylish, witty prose" is what the Observer is about yet it's beyond the scope of the PG. Do Shribman's Sunday musings qualify? Hardly.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- Conductor, 12:51:16 07/14/16 Thu [1]

No need to spend 75-cents for the Trib. Like clockwork Ticket shows up every Thursday in the mail.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- The revolution will not be edited or even lazily proofread, 13:48:47 07/14/16 Thu [1]

Maybe the PG needs to target the older reader who buys news in print form. I'm that sure that the demographic skews toward the over-60 segment. The PG needs to give its readership what the readership wants, not what the editor wants. The only editor who ever got away with giving readers what he, the editor, wanted was William Shawn. The guy in charge of PG is no William Shawn. Right now, the paper is more like a vanity operation.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- Jedediah Leland, 05:02:48 07/15/16 Fri [1]

The only thing the PG obsesses about is digital, digital digital. Of course they just lost the editor-savior whose somewhat overblown vision was going to take them digital. She was smart enough to see where things were going and bailed. She's not alone. Some of what gets into the print PG is determined by how similar stories play digitally. Print should still be a big factor here since a lot of older people prefer a physical paper. That doesn't matter to the powers that be. Cut back home delivery, they say. In its own way it's indeed a "vanity operation." Its publisher likes to delude himself into thinking he's creating his version of the New York Times. He's not. The PG is collapsing and they don't have a clue how to proceed. Charging more per copy and offering less won't work. That simple logic seems beyond their Ivy League comprehension.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- loss follower, 10:55:37 07/16/16 Sat [1]

Do the editors at the PG even read the New York Times? Sentence by sentence, phrase by phrase, the PG has nothing in common with the Times. Reading the PG, especially the softer features, is like reading the writing of undergraduates.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- Jedediah Leland, 16:49:16 07/16/16 Sat [1]

You're right, of course. The NYT fixation, including the ridiculous courtesy titles that ape the Times, were not Shribman's idea but John Robbie's. He thinks prestige will save the PG even as the writing grows more pathetic by the week. They can't even keep a Deputy ME for long! I don't think buyouts will be required to get more people to leave. Younger staff are heading for the doors, and who can blame them?

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[> [> [> Re: Online only PG -- You Do the Math, 02:10:21 07/15/16 Fri [1]

While $2 is an obscene amount price for a daily newspaper (and who carries 8 quarters in his pocket for a box?), the trib neglected to mention for context that its los-leader price itself rose 50% to 75c.

That makes it the second-highest-priced newspaper in Pittsburgh.

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[> [> Re: Online only PG -- Online Only Trib, 02:45:49 07/12/16 Tue [1]

I'm becoming the same way online with sports. Always a P-G guy, I don't want to waste time anymore downloading and wondering if my "pitch count" is too high for a freebie, and then once the P-G's done downloading only to see that the feature writer has become Paul Zeise.
Nah. I just pop open the Trib, see if Starkey's written anything and look for something local that's non-herd material. There usually isn't anything worthwhile other than high school sports, but it's not becoming the waste of time the P-G is.

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