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Date Posted: 00:15:45 11/26/16 Sat
Author: wake up
Subject: Re: Grow up
In reply to: Responsible adult 's message, "Grow up" on 04:16:57 11/25/16 Fri

You're moving the goal posts of this conversation. My purpose isn't to sell you anyone's journalism. It's to explain a normal behavior you and others on the board seem to be baffled by. You're not offering any sage wisdom that's being denied or disrespected here. You're projecting norms of the past onto a platform you don't seem to understand, then ripping people with them, and that deserves to be called out as misguided.

Furthermore, it's pretty rich to demand respect when your meme of the "millennial" (scare quotes yours) journalist seems to be a vapid husk of a human being walking around town telling the olds "Yep, I've figured out the Internet, here's how you do it," and showing them a crappy listicle with a smug look on his or her face.

In fact, no one is claiming to have all the answers. Most of the Under-35s have been mentored by plenty of boomers and respect them. A lot. And I think that's a mutual feeling for most of the boomers who've taken the initiative to lead instead of snipe about The Way It Used To Be from the peanut gallery.

Diverse skill sets and points of view are good. This is an industry that's lacked them for way too long, and the fact that you apparently feel threatened by that doesn't make that a generational struggle. It just offers a pretty convenient window into how we got into this mess in the first place.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Grow up -- Responsible adult, 00:43:37 11/27/16 Sun [1]

You've tried berating the critics of the not-so-brave new world of online digital journalism by inferring they are all out of touch. You've done your share of mockery. It hasn't advanced your arguments or given them greater credence. You've earned the ridicule you've gotten.

Now, you fall back on the oldest trick in the book. "You're moving the goal posts." "You misunderstand me." You lament that some here have stereotyped Millennials by saying they're silly and shallow, yet you never ONCE offer a defense for things like the unmitigated garbage MJ Slaby posts at the Incline.

Why? Because you can't.

We don't have all the answers, nor do you, you insist. Yet you keep asserting anyone who disagrees with or challenges you is living in a temporal rut, well before the year 2016.

We are well aware not all younger journalists are enamored by the blather of Incline and UpGruv. By the same token it's amusing to see some editors trying to advance their careers on proclaiming themselves as being on the digital frontier. That doesn't always work out. Ask the high-level ex-PG editor who was supposed to take them into the 21st Century who quit this past summer.

You and your allies are no more a threat than those fools who insist all journalism should remain analog, the equivalent of "get a horse!" in the early days of automobiles. It's noise and posturing. In your case, you enjoy kicking it around and wisecracking, but when your points are solidly refuted, you hide behind the tried and true: "You're picking on me and distorting what I've said!"

In short, you have yet to prove your point while doing much to validate the criticisms of those who disagree.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Grow up -- wake up, 15:53:36 11/29/16 Tue [1]

At no point in this conversation have I demanded you like the journalism at Upgruv or the Incline, so I'm obviously not going to indulge your itch to debate their legitimacy with a response. We all have our tastes, and if those outlets and writers don't speak to you, don't read them!

What I took exception to in the original reply is the ignorance of where we stand as an industry. It is important to acknowledge good journalism where it exists, and it's not productive to cut up on people for innocuous comments like those made by Megan and Luis. This is an industry norm now, and explaining to you why you should update your thinking on this particular issue is not the same as demanding you like everything about the digital environment.

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