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Date Posted: 20:43:57 12/03/03 Wed
Author: take the arabs' land, water and lives...mm
Subject: so the nazi's took your granddad's land, water and life, so you
In reply to: TruthMeister 's message, "So? That's like saying, "My dad lost his leg in the war, so I can't walk."" on 08:24:12 11/24/03 Mon

is that the holocaust lesson ?
>let's discuss your bigotry. "america's blacks" were
>robbed and cheated for generations.
>So? That's like saying, "My dad lost his leg in the
>war, so I can't walk."
>
>Interesting, but there have been seven generations of
>former slaves and their progeny who maintained their
>subservient attitudes and relied on others for
>direction. (They were taken advantage of during their
>slave years, but there were countless opportunities
>that they have failed to utilize.)
>
>Let's discuss reality. America's Blacks WERE treated
>unfairly, but a war was fought 140 years ago that
>insured all races freedom but not equality. A hundred
>years after the Civil War ended slavery, they were
>made truly equal by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 -
>Republican supported legislation that outlawed
>discrimination and established programs to set quotas
>and insured that Blacks and other minorities got a
>fair shake. That's right - Republicans proposed and
>supported the Civil Rights Act and beat the Democrats
>who were solidly against the law to see that the
>Blacks got the same rights as everyone else.
>
>Soon after, the Democrats launched a campaign to get
>the Black’s votes by dazzling them with programs,
>quotas and hand-outs. The Dems have presented
>themselves as ‘for the people,’ but the people who get
>their help and assistance are the special interest
>groups. The poor blacks, who their ‘programs’ are
>supposed to ‘help’ are no better off today than 100
>years ago.
>
>Because financial support was higher in the North in
>the 1960s, Liberal do-gooders encouraged countless
>black families to emigrate to the big cities of the
>North. (They organized ‘Freedom Buses’ to bring poor,
>Black, Southern Welfare recipients by the 1000s to
>NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.)
>Unfortunately, the people on welfare in the North
>received more because it cost more to live, so they
>wound up with the same relative amount to live on each
>month and had to do it without the gardens that had
>supplied cheap, fresh produce. They also had to buy
>winter clothing and pay rent and to get to work
>instead of tending to the farm they share-cropped and
>lived on.
>
>The final nail in their coffins came when their
>‘safety net ran afoul of the white man's Welfare
>system. It demanded that any adult males living in a
>household that was on Welfare had to be out seeking
>work or benefits would end. Without jobs to fill, the
>men were forced out of their family units, so the
>caseworkers would not find them there when they made
>'surprise' visits. The men found refuge in the beds,
>and with the wives of other displaced males and the
>next impediment to the race's success was born –
>illegitimacy.
>This added to the financial burden and created
>generations of children without a stable father figure
>as a model.
>
>(The whole plan was poorly thought out. The people
>who were recruited to be bussed north were getting
>government support payments because they were not
>working. There was no reason to believe that they
>would be any more motivated to seek employment in
>their new environment than they were before. It
>wasn’t all their fault that they couldn’t find jobs
>either, because while the Blacks were being told they
>had to find work, local Democrat politicians in the
>target cities were recruiting workers from Puerto Rico
>for businesses in their districts and for their votes.)
>
>
>The parallel to the Palestinians is that both groups,
>in the same general period, failed to progress through
>nobody's fault but their own. Both opted (through
>their - often self-proclaimed - 'leaders') to rely
>upon programs that were self-destructive; both groups
>failed to take advantage of the opportunities to build
>their own societies, sacrificed their youth and fought
>with the very people who had the greatest interest in
>seeing them succeed: the Palestinians with the
>Israelis and the Blacks with the rest of America’s
>society.
>
>America's Blacks who have applied themselves have
>achieved successes that couldn't be imagined 50 years
>ago. Sadly, there are the others who criticize the
>first group as being “Uncle Toms’ and too 'white,'
>that have seen their own lives and opportunities
>vanish in a cloud of drugs, guns and gangs, while the
>majority struggle to make ends meet and try to get
>their children to adulthood. (At least the
>Palestinians have solace in their religion, which has
>been interpreted to the belief that they will get
>great heavenly rewards for dying in service to Allah.
>ODs and the gang-banged are just dead.)
>
>The Palestinians, too, have their model in the
>successes of Israel, but have chosen to use their
>resources to try to destroy their neighbor. In both
>societies, Black & Palestinian, they have been and are
>willing to sacrifice their children, facing off with
>the Israeli army or sending them off to die wearing
>bombs in the Middle East or by condoning their dealing
>or taking death in the form of drugs and providing
>protection to an armed criminal element that preys
>upon their brightest and best (gang-bangers) out of a
>false sense of camaraderie because the killers are
>‘brothers.’ Brothers my ASS! It was often said that,
>“If you are not part of the problem, you are part of
>the problem.” and that certainly fits here. If you
>are aware of who the gang-bangers or those who give
>the kids their explosive vests or who sell poison to
>your children are and fail to do anything to stop
>them, you are as guilty as they are and bear
>responsibility for those who they kill.
>
>The problem is NOT the fault of the larger society
>that they are at odds with, but with their own
>perspective. They both have to accept that they are
>NOT going to depose the ruling establishment and gain
>control of Israel or the US. They are welcome to
>co-exist. They are encouraged to work hard and
>achieve success - as equals. Only then will they
>achieve success.
>
>That's R E A L I T Y, not Bigotry.

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