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Date Posted: Thursday, July 10, 09:07:17am
Author: Dave Zitzkat
Subject: Gone With the Wind
In reply to: Madelyn 's message, "To clarify..." on Thursday, July 10, 06:39:44am

Wow! You sure like to wait a hundred years before you respond to something.

You don't want to share your name because "you are related to someone I know?" Gee, what a great reason for being anonymous. You may or may not have noticed that even my wife disagrees with me on this board. Why on earth would you think I would attribute your opinions to whomever you are related to? I think you are basically just a wimp. There are very few people who have a legitimate excuse for not posting under their real name. It is truly an option for cowards.

As for Allison Murdock, I know her and like her, although we have profound differences of opinion. I am sad to hear that she buys meat, since the hallmark of being a true environmentalist is being a vegetarian.

As for the space cadets claims about Open Space having economic benefits because the space they buy "could be" developed and houses built with kids who attend public schools. Listen, Lady, whoever you are, I have heard the space cadets chant this pseudo economic mantra a million times, and I know what they claim. Their claims about increases in the school population simply do not hold up. My statistical analysis was quite valid, and employed standard statistical techniques. Besides, anyone with an IQ of over 50 can look at the actual figures and realize that there has been virtually no correlation between the number of houses build in New Hartford since 2000 and the number of children from New Hartford who attend public schools. This is not rocket science. The space cadets take NATIONAL figures on population and apply them to New Hartford without taking any account of the demographics of this town. Nationally, about one third of the population of this country is minority. Do you see that in New Hartford? The national statistics on increses in houses bringing an increase in school population ALSO does not work for New Hartford. Since I live in New Hartford, I would like to see statistics that relate to New Hartford, not Jersey City. Since the cadets did not provide them, I did.

In any event I don't know why I am taking the time to respond to an anonymous wimp who is afraid to have her opinions associated with her name.

>Although this is an extremely belated response, I
>should like to answer the questions posed to me.
>
>Yes, I am an anonymous poster, and no, I am not the
>Madelyn on the OSPC Board. I don't share my full name
>because I am related to someone you happen to know and
>do not wish to associate that person with my opinions
>and posts. You don't, however, know me, so it really
>isn't relevant for you to know my indirect connection
>to you.
>
>And to address your claim about the Board of Education
>meeting several years ago...
>We will never agree on whether you "booed" someone or
>not, so it is pointless to debate it, but please do
>not accuse me of making things up.
>Additionally, that specific comment was just to
>illustrate the more important general point about your
>public behavior. I found your mocking laughter
>juvenile, as well.
>
>My "problem" lies mostly with your obnoxious
>entitlement and arrogant demeanor in reference to just
>about everyone, with the exception of the sheep who
>support every one of your condescending comments with
>remarkable tenacity.
>
>And I cannot speak about every one of your so called
>"Space Cadets" because I don't know everyone who
>qualifies or the everyday lives of most of them, but I
>can speak about at least one. Alison Murdock is a
>dedicated environmentalist who owns a farm share and
>buys local meat.
>
>And in reference to "lying" about economic benefits of
>open space, it is possible to find research that will
>bolster any opinion. I'm more than comfortable in the
>assumption that you often fish for statistics to back
>your very specific opinions on this and other issues.
>
>Nazis? What an overused and inaccurate hyperbole. It
>is a shame that you feel victimized by the "Space
>Cadets," but I feel that you somehow will bounce back
>from it. And I'm sorry that you were removed from the
>other posting board, but, the beauty of all of this is
>that you were able to create your own. And what a
>perfect place it is for your dramatic ranting.
>
>
>
>>I am really up front with everyone right here on this
>>board about who I am and what I believe. On the other
>>hand, you are an anonymous poster (Are you the Madelyn
>>who is on the OSPC Board?), who comes out of nowhere
>>and accuses me of doing something I didn't do about 5
>>years ago.
>>
>>Now as for my accusing others, when I spoke at the BOS
>>meeting, there were not only witnesses such as Todd
>>Winkler and Roy Litchfield, both of whom post under
>>their real names, but there was also an editorial in
>>the Waterbury Republican condemning the behavior of
>>the Space Cadets. This is quite unlike you who claim
>>to have a memory of something that happened 5 years
>>ago,which apparantly the newspapers missed, although
>>there were many reporters at that meeting.
>>
>>I do NOT like people making stuff up about me. My
>>"nitpicking" as you call it involves a statistical
>>analysis of the Space Cadet claims, calling them on
>>outright lies in public, and yes, nailing their
>>hypocracy in public. Are these people vegetarians? Do
>>they support local farming? If so, why are they
>>spending our money on everything but? Do they lie
>>about the economic benefits of buying open space? Do
>>they lie about these properties still being taxed at
>>anything like what the rest of us are taxed? Do they
>>tell the truth about anything? Do you tell the truth
>>about anything?
>>
>>By the way, I agree with you that I have many ideas
>>that would really help this town. I have tried to
>>share them with the Space Cadets. They are not
>>interested. If you were at the last BOS meeting, you
>>saw that their only interest was to shout me down and
>>try to shut me up. They really are like Nazis.
>>
>>Anyway, I and others with good ideas post on this
>>board. Anyone can read what we have to say. You can
>>agree or disagree, or you can take our ideas and use
>>them.
>>
>>I see no merit in Open Space as it is defined today in
>>this town. From day one, on Nancy Leach's board, I
>>attempted to give my opinions to that group, opinions
>>which I believe could further their goals and mine
>>with a much smaller cost to this town. They were not
>>interested in hearing anyone's ideas but their own,
>>and I was kicked off of Nancy's board, and that is why
>>I started my own. You cannot reason with Nazis.
>>
>>I welcome your input here, but please, keep to the
>>facts and do not make up stuff.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>I really was there, and I'm sorry but I cannot
>provide
>>>the example I was referring to because I have no
>>>desire to drag others into anything involuntarily.
>>>Regardless, I think that you may have missed the
>>>point, as you so often seem to do, and that was you
>>>should lead by example, and maybe cut down on the
>>>hypocrisy a little. It will probably serve you well
>in
>>>your attempt to further your opinions, although I
>feel
>>>you should increase your involvement or offer
>>>alternatives more often instead of your usual slew of
>>>complaints and personal attacks. Get involved beyond
>>>the nay-saying, focus on bettering your own behavior
>>>before you complain of others, and put your time to
>>>better use than listing grievances and nitpicking.
>End
>>>of story.
>>>
>>>>>I find it amusing that you feel authorized to
>accuse
>>>>>anyone of inappropriate behavior in a public space.
>>I
>>>>>witnessed your less than refined behavior at a Reg.
>>7
>>>>>budget meeting a few years ago and was particularly
>>>>>impressed when you "booed" a 14-year-old.
>>>>
>>>>I never booed a 14 year old. I may have laughed at
>>>>one, or shook my head, but I never booed anyone at
>R7
>>>>meetings I attended. That is just a lie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But you're
>>>>>correct, as always, heckling a fellow adult is much
>>>>>more offensive than obnoxiously responding to the
>>>>>opinion of a freshmen in high school.
>>>>
>>>>I emphatically deny this, and I would like to know
>>>>what this alleged 14 year old said.
>>>>
>>>>I can only
>>>>>deduce from your need to respond to them,
>especially
>>>>>in that manner, that you felt intellectually
>>>>>challenged by their opposition.
>>>>
>>>>In point of fact, during the series of budget
>>>>negotiations where I was a participant, I got to
>meet
>>>>several of the R7 students who strongly disagreed
>>with
>>>>me. They invited me to go to their classes with
>them,
>>>>and I invited them to attend a homeschooling dance
>>>>with my kids. We had a very pleasant discussion
>which
>>>>lasted about an hour. We went away still disagreeing
>>>>with each other, but both sides behaved in a
>>civilized
>>>>manner.
>>>>
>>>>The only time in recent memory that I booed anyone
>>was
>>>>during the last meeting on the teacher's contract at
>>>>Antolini when a teacher union representative got up
>>>>and started claiming that those who were not in
>favor
>>>>of raising the teachers' salaries were the same
>>people
>>>>blowing money at gambling cassinos. Yes, I did boo
>>>>him. That was an utterly stupid remark.
>>>>
>>>>Prior to that, especially at R7 debates, if you
>>really
>>>>were there, you may have noticed that I was
>>>>outnumbered by about 200 to one. When you are
>>>>outnumbered 200 to one, even if you were inclined to
>>>>boo someone, you don't.

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