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Subject: Mandatory extreme medical exams and procdures on kids and adults - polls with stories


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Knuit Holt
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Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood


Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his websites with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events, like abduction for surveillance and experimentation by governments or mafias

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524

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Extended, mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia - where the kid undergo endoscopic inspections in the intimate zone and other body areas, extensive ultrasound inspections, ex-rays of several body zones, intrusive specimen collection and body function testings:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy or bladder inspections in kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret, intimate, intrusive medical exams and procedures under anesthesia on kids and adults:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807


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All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt

aquila_grande@yahoo.no

Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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SOME OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED

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GIrl, 12 yo - Poland - cystoscopy to explore urination problems

My doughter had cystoscopy. The exam took place in Eastern Europe, Poland at 12 years old, year 2011. The cystoscopy occured in a hospital. Got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason. She was brought there by me, the mother. The reason was problems with urination.

Preparations:
Had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Given enema during preparations. Vitals taken like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. A consent formula was presented and signed.

Anesthesia and arrangements:
Got a shot to calm down and make sleepy. Was totally naked during exam. She lay on back with legs in stirrups.

How the exam occured:
They put a rigid stick-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They pumped up and irrigated bladder with water when looking inside.","They took out the scope and inserted a new scope to take further specimens. The scope or a new intrument was inserted even further up towards the kindeys.

They inserted an ultrasond probe in through the anus to inspect the bladder and genital area. Other additional exams.

Arrangements before the exam:
Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Had to stay in bed more that a day after the exam. Got medicines into urethra with a syringe after the exam.

Diagnosis and follow-up:
Diagnosis - valves or constrictions in the urethra. Had corrective surgery. Had to have a cathetherization routine.

JUdgements:
It was unneccessary. It was painful.


Comments:
It is uncertain how much of the information given here that is from what the doughter experiemced, from the mother present and seing all, or from information given.

The procedure described is a fairly standard examination for children with problems during urination. But it was added that other exams were done, but not what. The ultrasound inside her anal region probably had the purpose of getting a broad pelvic overview. In boys and younger girls the anus is typically used for that exam. In girls in full puberty and adult women the ultrasound is more often performed through the vagina.

Children that have such procedures will always be totally naked during preparations, and mounting, but then other body areas than just pelvic zones is usually covered. In the recovery period, the kid will again often be totally naked under a blanket.

If she was totally naked all the time, they probably did some additionl tests further up in her body with external instruments too, most probably ultrasound exams or x-ray pictures taken. The purpose was probably a full assessment of her development and pubertal status.

I guess that the mother left the room just after her doughter had been mounted so that she did ot see the whole procedure. I think that her doughter then was intubated, given full general anesthesia with artificial breething during the procedure, but not given information about this. The long recovery time seems to indicate that.

The mother indicates that she deems the procedure unneccessary. If she had a narrow urethra or some blockings there, it could have caused bigger problems in the future. But from the account it looks like they corrected it with a more major surgery, while it could be corrected with a fairly easy procedure.

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Girl, Bolivia, 13yo, cystoscopy in a health center followed by her mother

My doughter had cystoscopy. I brought my daughter in for an exam when she complained of some pain downstairs. The exam took place in South or mid America, Bolivia, when she was 13 years old, Year 2007. She had cystoscopy in a health centre.


PREPARATIONS

We got no explanation in the first place . The exam was a total surprize. The doctor didn't talk much. I brought my daughter to the health center. Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed.


Then taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. A consent formula was presented and signed.

I undressed my daughter completely. In my country exams are always done in the naked. I signed a form saying the medical staff could do as they liked.


ARRANGEMENTS AND ANESTHESIA

She got pain-killing gas through a mask that made calm and sleepy. Was totally naked during exam. She lay on her back with straight legs, then lay on back with legs in stirrups. The doctor put my naked daughter in a lot of positions, including "Frog leg" position, during the examination. She just got a little gas to calm down, but was awake.


THE EXAM PROCEDURE

They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They also used an ultrasond probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area. They inserted an ultrasond probe in through the vagina to inspect the bladder and genital area. They were very quick probes, the doctor said everything was fine.

While we were there, he gave her a full head to toe physical examination, saying it was good to have these done as often as possible, and that I should do them for her at home as well.


DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UPS

Diagnosis - urinary infection. He said she had a mild UTI and some cranberry juice would clear it up. If it didn't, I should come back for another exam and get antibiotics. The reason was urinary infection.


JUDGEMENT

It was useful. I would bring my daughter to this doctor several more times, he was good and thorough.


COMMENTS

The procedure was done as it should be done, with just that anesthesia needed to make the girl comfortable, but not the exaggerated anesthesia often use in North America and Western Europe, which adds discomfort before and after the exam and adds risks.

A consent where the parents allow the doctor to do anything, is however not a good thing. A concent form should explain exactly what procedures they intended and only ask concent for that.

Edited by Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Girl, 15 yo, Nevada, Cystoscopy to investigate voiding difficuloties

I am female. The exam took place in North America. Nevada, in 2003 When I was 15 years old.

The cystoscopy occured in a hospital. I got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason. My dad took me. It was a follow-up after visiting my primary doctor when I had minor pains and some difficulty peeing.


PREPARATION

Had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Given enema at home before going. Got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained.

I lay on back with legs in stirrups. I got np anesthesia. I wasn't really worried or anxious or scared so i didnt need anything to calm my nerves. I got lubrication of my peehole but i dont think it had any pain killing effects. It felt weird but didn't really hurt.


THE PROCEDURE

They put a flexible snake-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They also used an ultrasond probe on the stomach to inspect the bladder area.


DIAGNOSIS AND FOLLOW-UP

It was inconclusive. They didnt find anything wrong with me. suggested I drink plenty of water, cranberry juice. and green tea, and a followup with my primary doctor 2 weeks later unless it got worse.

The reason was problems with urination. The followup appointment was fine. My symptoms were gone. Doctor said it might be due to stress or something. It might have been where I worried it into existence. Had some trouble peeing, and some minor pains down there that led to speculation with me and my mom about what it was, which caused more worry...it turned out to be nothing.


JUDGEMENT

It was useful. It was not any big deal. The exam felt really weird like it should hurt somehow but it wasn't painful at all. I think getting that exam put my mind at ease and whatever it was just went away.


COMMENT

With modern equipment and with a gentel approach a cystoscopy is a very easy procedure that can be made painfree without deep sedation or general anesthesia. In reality can the anesthesia give more disconfort, trouble and risk than the procedure done without. Doing the procedure as in this case is mostly the best way.

Yet many health institutions always subject children and teens to deep sedation or general anestesia for this procedure and other simple procedures. This shows that there is a great amount of dishonesty in the health institutions and that they often do additional things they do not tell to the kid and not to the parents either.

But this girl was taken care of by a staff working in an honest way.

Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm


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GIRL, 17YO, NORTH AMERICA, YEAR 2010

A female friend had cystoscopy. The exam took place in North America, USA, 17 years old, Year 2010. The cystoscopy occured in a hospital.

She got now explanation. The exam was a total surprize. Her mom and I went with her.

Preparations:
She had to stop eating several hours before the cystoscopy. Shen got to a special preparation room. Had to undress completely and go to bed. Got a hospital gown before going to bed. While in bed given medicine to get very sleepy but was awake. The whole bed was rolled with her upon when the time for the exam had come.

Taken vitals like temperature, heart rate and blood pressure. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. A consent formula was presented and signed. She got a tube into a blood vessel to give anesthesia. Got very sleepy but was conscious.

Exam procedure:
Had a gown around me, but the lower body was naked. Lay on back with legs in stirrups. I do not know how the exam was done.

After the exam:
Had catheter in the bladder some time after the exam. Had to stay in bed some hours after the exam.

Diagnosis and treatment:
Diagnosis - reflux of urine up towards the kidneys - Vescicourethetral reflux. She had corrective surgery.

The primary reason for the exam:
The reason was problems with urination.

Judgement:
It was useful.

COMMENTS:
It seems to be common that young people are brought in for intimate exams without getting to know what shall be done. It is also typical that the staff tend to use general anesthesia to avoid rememberance of the experience on young persons. But ironically, and tragically the anesthesia causes more risks and more discomfort afterwards than the procedure itself would have done with only local numbingh ans cautious handling.
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