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Date Posted: 11:45:09 12/08/02 Sun
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's message, "Re: Scoop, Poop & last night" on 14:48:26 12/07/02 Sat
>~ Sorry, Pia Pea Brain, but you sound a little star
>struck, no? People are always on their best behavior
>when they are in public. Of course there are people
>that post here that know her and have hung with her.
>Thats a stupid question. Me, I just take it all in.
"Pia" does sound a little star struck by Bebe and somewhat ignorant of the whole situation. It's no secret that Liv and Bebe love each other a lot. Bebe is usually there when Liv has a movie premiere or something, and Liv is usually there when Bebe performs at a club. They both still go to Aerosmith shows together. So I don't know why "Pia" was so shocked to see Bebe so lovey-dovey with her family. Bebe's family is just about the only set of people who've put up with her nastiness for all these years. Bebe isn't a totally evil person but she's got severe mental problems and she's done a lot of really hateful things to people.
> The only thing I will agree with you about is the
>part about this being between Coyote and Bebe and
>everyone should not get pulled into the nasty war
>between them. I do also think that Coyote is getting a
>little carried away with getting back at her. You are
>right, it is boring and old fucking news.
I totally agree with that. It's very hard to ignore the feud though because Bebe and Coyote keep popping up randomly at several message boards to spew their fucked-up agenda. Some message boards don't ban people, so they continue their feuding on certain message boards. Bebe is by far the more psychotic about it though because she obviously spends way more time on the Internet aggressively campaigning for herself, even when it's clear she's not welcome at a forum.
As for all the people posting anti-Bebe messages at Groupie Central, if you were around when Bebe was feuding with Coyote here, there were many people who orignally supported her. But then she got really psycho if anyone disagreed with her. If people weren't kissing her ass, she accused them of being Coyote, and since she hates Coyote so much, she started insulting those people too. That really made a lot of people angry because there was no need for her to be such a hateful lunatic. She was asked many times to stop with the negativity and share some positive stories instead, but she refused to do it. So the people who originally supported Bebe turned against her and it's happened at other message boards too.
She also has a very snobby "I'm better than you" attitude towards groupies, which isn't going to endear her to anyone on a groupie message board. What added feul to the fire was that after "Rebel Heart" came out, there was the Amazon.com debacle with negative reviews being taken down and someone with the same writing style as Bebe's posting ridiculously positive reviews of "Rebel Heart" on Amazon.com. Given Bebe's manipulative behavior and her borderline personality disorder reactions to any criticism she gets, it doesn't take a genius figure out what was going on at Amazon.com. That made people dislike her even more, because she doesn't have to go to such extremes whenever she's criticized. People who are famous will always be criticized, but Bebe obviously can't handle it.
But the worst thing she probably did to really turn people against her was send hate mail to people just because they didn't like her book or because they think she's a washed-up groupie. That's mainly why so many people don't like her because of all the threats and hate mail she's sent. She's had a pattern of doing this long before her Internet feud with Coyote. I've heard many stories from reliable sources of how she's left hateful phone messages and has at times threatened to physically harm someone because she didn't get her way on something. How does that woman sleep at night, knowing what kind of vicious things she's done? She's such a coward too because she uses all these fake identities when she sends hate e-mail, but everyone knows it's her. Of course Bebe will usually deny she's done these things but there's proof that she's done it and she knows it.
> People can get help and therapy and maybe she has
>changed. I don't know how Coyote would know what she
>is doing now because they are not friendly. That is
>the part of this that confuses even a cynic like me.
Bebe and Coyote are clearly obsessed with each other so they probably have "spies" reporting back to them about what the other one is up to. It's so pathetic. They should move on with their lives, leave each other alone, and stop trying to take drag people from the Internet into their mess.
> Bebe is remarried, Coyote is remarried but this
>still continues. It appears that it is worse on his
>side. He really HATES her guts. Let me tell you. I've
>had a talk or two with him about this and he is one
>pissed off cat.
I've never met Coyote but his lawsuit against Bebe seems pretty ridiculous. It's not as if Bebe's book ruined his non-existent career. Bebe and Coyote are failed wannabe rock stars, and they have no one to blame but themselves because they've had the right connections but their careers never really went anywhere because they're both not very talented. They have a lot more in common than they would like to think they do. It's hilarious to see how Bebe is hyping Jim's band all over the Internet. She tried to help Coyote with his career too and that was a joke. Can you say deja vu? I have a feeling Bebe's marriage to Jim will end badly because she really hasn't changed all that much; she repeats the same negative patterns in her life.
> This Elvis shit is old news too. Everyone in New
>Yawk knows they made up about a year or so ago. They
>aren't best friends or anything but she is not ousted
>anymore from his camp. It is such a fucking shame that
>he and Cait called it quits. He is a little dog
>though. He fucks around. he is no saint. He loves New
>Yawk too. Always here. Always. Thats how they made up.
>Bebe was in some restaurant with Liv and Jim and Liv's
>boy, Roy and Elvis came in with Chalkie Davis. Glances
>were exchanged and then they all ended up sitting
>together and having some wine. The rumor is that that
>is where the amends were made. This is what happened.
>I'm sure. She is probably dying that he is available
>and she is married and pregnant, lol. Life is cruel
>sistas! He also gave her a really nice wedding gift.
>My girlfriend who was at the wedding, which was
>suppositly gorgeous and BIG, saw the huge carasel
>horse he got her. It was sitting at the reception for
>all to see. I heard it took a truck for her to get it
>home. I think thats nice and I don't think that Coyote
>realizes he is not up to date in whats going on with
>her. Thats the problem. He dwells in the past and the
>rest of the parties involved moved on. And i like
>Coyote too but he has lost his mind because of all
>this buellshit. He should let it go. Money isn't worth
>all this damage he must be doing to his health.
I find it REALLY hard to believe that Elvis would send Bebe an elaborate wedding gift. Are we supposed to believe that, just like we're supposed to believe Bebe when she says that Elvis sends secret coded messages to her on his albums? Most people aren't that stupid to believe that insanity! Bebe is the type of woman who would send flowers to herself to make it look like she has a secret admirer.
It also doesn't make sense that Elvis would send Bebe a wedding gift when she keeps telling people, publicly at least, that they don't keep in touch with each other anymore and haven't for years. Just more of Bebe's contradictory & hard to believe stories. She tells totally different stories depending on who she's talking to and I wouldn't trust anyone who says Elvis gave her a wedding gift. That sounds just like the Buellshitter who was on an Elvis Costello forum saying that Bebe got married on Elvis's birthday because it was their way of making peace with each other. She's such a NUTCASE! Like we're supposed to believe that Elvis gave Bebe his approval to marry on his birthday...what, did he communicate that through coded messages too? LOL! Her feelings for him are clearly one-sided. I noticed that when Bebe is in public or being interviewed, she acts like she doesn't want to talk about Elvis Costello but her obsessive ramblings about him in her book and elsewhere tell the real story of how she's still clinging to him in her fantasy world. If Elvis wanted Bebe back today (which would never happen, but let's say it did), Bebe would drop Jim so fast he wouldn't know what hit him.
It's also a sad commentary on Bebe's relationship with Jim that he's barely mentioned in her autobiogaphy but she devotes pages and pages to talking about Elvis Costello. Jim has been with Bebe longer than Elvis was, so he's still living in Elvis's shadow. Jim must be either really stupid or have no sense of self-worth. Bebe's relationship with Jim sounds like the line in that Crosby, Stills & Nash song: "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with." I can't see their marriage lasting more than 5 years, especially now that Elvis is single.
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