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Date Posted: Saturday, July 17, 10:17:59pm
Author: Beverly
Subject: Hmmm - I think I might have said if an adult flyer does let you scoop him up ...
In reply to: Cindy 's message, "scooping" on Saturday, July 17, 11:34:10am

(Hmmm - I think I might have said if an adult flyer does let you scoop him up ...), he could be ill. Most healthy adult flyers are not crazy about being taken out of a nice comfortable bed. They will most happily and eagerly play with you, when they're allowed to get up on their own, and come out of their nest box when they're dang good and ready, but many an adult will nip the hand that feeds them if they are disturbed in their nest box. If Froto allows you to pet him while he's in his nest box, and is happy to stay on you when you do take him from his nest, then he's being normally social with you. It's perfectly natural for a flyer to play with other flyers even more intensely than it will with a human, and it they include you in their games, then you are experiencing normal flyer companionship. In cases where a flyer was raised as an orphan, and does not have members of its own species with which to associate, the 'social bond' is naturally stronger than if a flyer is allowed to nurse naturally, and then has the added 'distraction' of companionship with other flyers to occupy their affections. I am right this moment typing in my 'boys' dorm' room, and not one of the 5 has come out yet, to say "Good evening, Mom ..." - but there are other moments when I come in here, and I cannot keep the boys off me. I allow them this individuality, as I do not expect them to entertain me like trained circus animals. I allow them to be squirrels, and I consider it a privlige when they do come to play with me. I make a point of spending a few minutes in the room with them, when they're in an 'active' mode, but if they are quiet in their nest boxes, I don't bother them.

Infants and youngsters are quite a different thing, and they are much more pliant, when I reach into the nest box to take them out for a bit of socialising. Indeed, it's when momma will actually move away from my hand, and snuggle under the cotton bedding, instead of 'pouncing' on my hand when I lift the cotton, that I know momma herself is ready for her pups to get some lessons and some socialisation.

The 'only' flyer can be made to be much more pliant about being taken from the nest box at any time, but this requires their HOF to have little else to do, but 'play' with their flyer. Most of us have demands on our time that precludes such devotion, and we thus have a more 'independent' relationship with our companion flyers. It's a bit like allowing a spouse to have time with their own friends, without such separation causing any rift in the relationship.

I hope this helps, and I would love to hear what others with adult flyers in multi-flyer households think ...



>Beverly I read a pre post that you wrote on bonding.
>You said that if an adult flyer won't let you scoop
>them up it could be ill. Please explain a little more
>for me? Froto don't like to be scooped up and comes
>out on his terms most of the time. He will let me pet
>him in his nest box and when i get him out he stays on
>us. He is not very social. We had him for 2 years.
>He is more social with the other flyers then us. Cindy

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[> [> Re: Hmmm - I think I might have said if an adult flyer does let you scoop him up ... -- Cindy, Sunday, July 18, 07:47:39pm

Thank you for clearing things up for me. Cindy
>(Hmmm - I think I might have said if an adult flyer
>does let you scoop him up ...), he could
>be ill. Most healthy adult flyers are not crazy about
>being taken out of a nice comfortable bed. They will
>most happily and eagerly play with you, when they're
>allowed to get up on their own, and come out of their
>nest box when they're dang good and ready, but many an
>adult will nip the hand that feeds them if they are
>disturbed in their nest box. If Froto allows you to
>pet him while he's in his nest box, and is happy to
>stay on you when you do take him from his nest, then
>he's being normally social with you. It's perfectly
>natural for a flyer to play with other flyers even
>more intensely than it will with a human, and it they
>include you in their games, then you are experiencing
>normal flyer companionship. In cases where a flyer
>was raised as an orphan, and does not have members of
>its own species with which to associate, the 'social
>bond' is naturally stronger than if a flyer is allowed
>to nurse naturally, and then has the added
>'distraction' of companionship with other flyers to
>occupy their affections. I am right this moment
>typing in my 'boys' dorm' room, and not one of the 5
>has come out yet, to say "Good evening, Mom ..." - but
>there are other moments when I come in here, and I
>cannot keep the boys off me. I allow them this
>individuality, as I do not expect them to entertain me
>like trained circus animals. I allow them to be
>squirrels, and I consider it a privlige when they do
>come to play with me. I make a point of spending a
>few minutes in the room with them, when they're in an
>'active' mode, but if they are quiet in their nest
>boxes, I don't bother them.
>
>Infants and youngsters are quite a different thing,
>and they are much more pliant, when I reach into the
>nest box to take them out for a bit of socialising.
>Indeed, it's when momma will actually move away from
>my hand, and snuggle under the cotton bedding, instead
>of 'pouncing' on my hand when I lift the cotton, that
>I know momma herself is ready for her pups to get some
>lessons and some socialisation.
>
>The 'only' flyer can be made to be much more pliant
>about being taken from the nest box at any time, but
>this requires their HOF to have little else to do, but
>'play' with their flyer. Most of us have demands on
>our time that precludes such devotion, and we thus
>have a more 'independent' relationship with our
>companion flyers. It's a bit like allowing a spouse
>to have time with their own friends, without such
>separation causing any rift in the relationship.
>
>I hope this helps, and I would love to hear what
>others with adult flyers in multi-flyer households
>think ...
>
>
>
>>Beverly I read a pre post that you wrote on bonding.
>>You said that if an adult flyer won't let you scoop
>>them up it could be ill. Please explain a little more
>>for me? Froto don't like to be scooped up and comes
>>out on his terms most of the time. He will let me pet
>>him in his nest box and when i get him out he stays on
>>us. He is not very social. We had him for 2 years.
>>He is more social with the other flyers then us.
>Cindy

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