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• The real issue. -- OldTimer, Wednesday March 09 2005 [2] (NoHost/24.244.174.213)
  We are being bamboozled, hoodwinked etc. The real issue is not whether these kids are Bahamian, because they are. And as a Bahamian they have a right to compete. But the question is when can they compete? In Bahamian Track and Field our athletes that train abroad cannot represent the Bahamas in International competition unless they compete in Nationals. Swimming had this rule until it was convenientlly written out. The real issue is that the rules, not some, but most have been struck off.
  
  This issue is way too big for me to sit idly by. Parents and swimmers spend hundreds of dollars and hours each year in support of this sport and athletes train year after year in hopes of making a National team and these same parents, athletes and teams spend lots of money each year to support the BSF through dues. These "foreign" athletes have spent nothing to swim here. Their parents havn't spent time in the hot sun timing, spent time in the hot kitchen selling food, spent hours in the timing booth making sure the times are right. Spent hours setting up meets or officiating. Even if they are a part of SWIFT, SWIFT doesnt hold meets nor to they have any scheduled. SWIFT doesnt contribute to competiteness in the sport, they do nothing except create contraversy. And now the BSF, who the clubs support, are going to send them off, using our BSF funds and Bahamian tax dollars to subsidize their trip.
  
  Again, i have no problem with them swimming, but i think they should just at least have swum at Nationals, come to a few more meets throughout the year just in support of our other clubs.
  
  This may be heresay but i have to mention it. A situation came up with 2 of the swimmers at the team selection meeting on Sunday. Algernon Cargill suggested that a one swimmer should be chosen over another because the swimmers parents were more supportive of the BSF.
  
  The BSF like all the major clubs used to be run by parents. The only club that is not parent run is SWIFT and it just so happend that SWIFT is running the BSF ie: Coaches recieve BSF meet summons and meet results from Nancy Knowles who is not a BSF official. It is up to the parents to take back this federation. The rules in the rulebook were carefully thought out and put in place for a reason, just to to be sticken off by some uncaring person. What are these guys gonna do next start crossing out our constitution.
  

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  • Re: The real issue. -- Splish Splash, Wednesday March 09 2005
  
  
• CARIFTA -- One Bahamas, Wednesday March 09 2005 [1] (NoHost/24.231.53.152)
  The numbers are coming back in the sport of swimming. The BSF are looking out for the swimmers first and that includes all Bahamians. The fact that we had so many swimmers with qualifying times for CARIFTA is a good sign and although only 30 could make the CARIFTA team I trust that the coaches looked at the times and made the best decision possible. Lets move on and look at the next bigger meets coming up. What about CCCAN, lets get more qualified and look at moving up as a swimming nation in our region. Keep up the good work.
  

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• shocked -- Parent, Wednesday March 09 2005 [4] (firewall.batelnet.bs/206.48.0.60)
  As a parent i have noticed over a period of time that swimming is shifting its focus from the swimmers to "who is who in power" well all i have to say is that no matter how high you are you still will have to look up to GOD and answer to him.
  I am glad to see that the swimmers are speaking up because who knows what the swimmers can do but the swimmers. I know that the coaches select the team and what not but all in all the swimmers know who should be where and who should honestly swim what event because to my understanding in the meeting coaches seem to not care about who makes what just as long as their swimmer gets on no matter the consequences.
  I also have noticed that the two american swimmers, well let me not say american because the bsf claims they have Bahamian passports, how could they just be recruited from the plantation swim team, swim in two bsf time trials and be able to represent the Bahamas over Bahamian swimmers, to my understanding the rule states that you have to live in the country for at least six (6) months prior to the games. The only message that your giving to the kids is that the focus is not on them and if they perform to the best of their ability and meet carifta standards that they are not good enough. I know the Bahamas wants to send the strongest team possible but if they are going to cheat the rule and stab its own swimmers in the back with a rusty screw driver then i don't think i want my child to be apart of it.
  

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  • Re: shocked -- Concerned observer, Wednesday March 09 2005
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  • Re: shocked -- Fair is fair, Wednesday March 09 2005
  
  
• Now you getting the picture -- OldTimer, Wednesday March 09 2005 [1] (NoHost/24.244.174.213)
  Now you are getting the picture. Any of the rules that may have disqualified those American swimmers have been conveniently removed from the rulebook. Please read the so called "proposed" changes on the BSF's homepage. It is and outrage and this morning I'm going to talk to my friends in the press.
  

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• carifta -- a concerned person, Monday March 07 2005 [2] (firewall.batelnet.bs/206.48.0.60)
  Now i really think that the bsf/swift are running out now. HOW obvious can you get...if you look at the carifta team some may say that a few of them were selected unfairly. For example how the hell could the bsf allow those american swimmers to just pop up and represent the bahamas just like that ?...where as our bahamian swimmers right here have been training for carifta when all of a sudden this happens !!! and in the 13+14 girl age groups where a backstroker was left off the team because of a SWIFT swimmer...and also somebody brought to my attention with the 15-17 males that swimmers are going just to swim one stroke or event where a swimmer who could of gone and swam 5 events.... i mena do you guys not think of what your doing ? now the 15 and over relay teams will be weak and you have swift/bsf to thank for it. Now back t those american swimmers mean ther is nothing wrong with them comming here and swimming in nationals but how they was entered under swift in their first meet ? what a load of crap and to place them on the carifta team instead of our swimmers who have been training al year for this is just a slap in the face.....how do you expect to swimming to excell in the bahamas if the bsf/swift continues to bash the rules and do foolishness this is part of the reason why a swimmer that is off in college swam for a another country.... soon a new federation wil be formed and then what will swift have to say about it then?...Im just sayin to wise up because it is so obvious that every swimmer from swift that tried out for the carifta team was selected over swimmers that were CLEARLY more capable to swim in their places!!
  

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• Rule changes -- OldTimer, Monday March 07 2005 [2] (NoHost/24.244.174.213)
  I would like to know which rules have been changed or added.
  

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  • This is absolutely ridiculous -- OldTimer, Monday March 07 2005
  
  
• Here we go again -- OldTimer, Thursday February 10 2005 [5] (NoHost/24.244.174.213)
  We had two good swimmers appear from nowhere representing the SWIFT club at the BSF Time Trial this weekend (Feb 4 & 5, 2005). Don't know where they came from but wow were they good.
  
  They swam just about every event, so I wonder if the next time we see them it will be at Nationals. Maybe their names will pop up for eligibility on one of our National Teams.
  
  Are these swimmers eligible to swim in their own federation and ours at the same time.
  

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  • Re: Here we go again -- One Bahamas, Wednesday February 09 2005
    • Re: Here we go again -- One Bahamas, Wednesday February 09 2005
      • How come we never heard of them before? -- OldTimer, Thursday February 10 2005
  • Re: Here we go again -- Admin, Thursday February 10 2005
  
  
• Coaching -- Brent Magistad, Thursday February 03 2005 [1] (thsnmb01dc1-201-249.dynamic.mts.net/204.112.201.249)
  I am a Canadian planning to move to Freeport/Lucaya, and am wondering if there is any need for competitive swimming coaches. I have a level two NCCP coaching cert. and am experienced coaching and swimming competitively. I love the sport and have many unique training ideas, both for competition and fun. I am also familiar with team costs and meet organization, as well as a certified timer, stroke/turn official.
  

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• Really what is the BSF doing? -- Old Timer, Thursday January 27 2005 [1] (NoHost/24.244.174.213)
  Folks we have problems. In my recent recollection the BSF has done little or nothing to promote swimming as a recreational sport in the Bahamas. When I competed 20 years ago about 300 athletes participated in swimming today that figure is about the same. I will admit the National records have gotten faster because of a few standout swimmers; however the mean times are slower.
  
  What can the BSF do?
  What the BSF needs to do is boost its membership. The BSF is dependant on the local clubs with developmental programs to introduce new swimmers to the Federation. In recent times clubs are finding it increasingly hard to compete with other extracurricular activities like soccer, track, dance and even video games. Parents are also having a difficult time getting athletes to and from practice because of traffic; there just isn’t enough time in a 1 hour lunch break.
  
  I don’t know what the BSF does with the money it receives from its membership but they could take a few pointers from the USTA or the USGA. These organizations spend millions each year to promote Tennis and Golf as viable sports for youths. I think a focused add campaign during Nationals and the summer months could do a lot to help boost the numbers we have in the pools.
  
  Water polo
  I do not know why this sport was introduced. I feel it is counterproductive to what the BSF should be trying to accomplish. Water polo does not teach kids how to swim and it does not teach fundamentals and the proper strokes and it does not boost participation. What water polo ends up doing is sucking the mediocre to good swimmers from club programs. This is money the clubs could be using to promote and support their learn to swim and developmental programs.
  
  I must admit, as a swimmer gets older it becomes increasingly difficult for them to prepare and compete at a high level. Training hours increase and at times it can get monotonous. But as a federation the membership just isn’t there. I could see if we had 1,000 athletes in the pool and 20% to 30% of them we’re just plain tired of the grinding out laps night after night. Right now all water polo is is an opportunity for a mediocre swimmer to get a free ticket to lose at Carifta.
  
  I just hope the BSF is not using the monies generated from the club programs to fund water polo. This can only mean bad things for the future of swimming in the Bahamas.
  

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• Proposed National Times Standards -- Snake, Wednesday January 05 2005 [1] (NoHost/24.231.50.154)
  I think it is a disservice to lower the time standards for Nationals From A to BB. By doing so we would all but make it possible for everyone to make Nationals. Nationals then would become just like any other meet. Our children will not have too work hard to make the times. Nationals will no longer be a goal that swimmers set for themselves. All they would have to do is, "JUST SWIM"
  

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• Will this site ever be updated??? -- Joe, Tuesday September 21 2004 [1] (pcp648145pcs.mkethn01.fl.comcast.net/68.35.201.158)
  Is anyone in charge of this site? The same information/highlights have been posted for months now. One would think that perhaps this site would feature something about the Bahamian Olympic swimmers. Was it not the first time a female has made the Olympic team for swimming? How about reports,pictures and results of just how well/poor the Bahamian swimmers did? New meet information would be nice. How about just an update every so often so people actually enjoy this site.
  

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• informaciòn -- maria ruth castrillòn, Tuesday September 14 2004 [1] (NoHost/200.21.238.121)
  hola, habla maria ruth castrillòn soto de Bucaramanga (Colombia) deseo hacer una consula, sucede que en la liga de nataciòn de mi ciudad tenemos el OMEGA OMS6, pero los manuales fueron perdidos,quisiera tener mas informaciòn sobre el funcionamiento del mismo lo mas ràpido posible, les agradezco favor escribirme ya que es urgente.
  
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• show me the money -- know it all, Wednesday July 14 2004 [2] (NoHost/24.244.136.209)
  where is the money? last we heard, there was over $100,000 in the bsf kitty. did all the money go to two cariftas? did the bahamian team have to stay at a hotel at the last carifta? did they need new uniforms when the warm-ups were just changed about 3 years ago? why are there rumours of ahthletes and officials having to pay to go to cisc? is it true that the president of the bsf is moving to florida? so soooooon eh! the roof is caving in on swimming. there are only special interest people running the federation. there interest is only in what they or their children can gain from swimming. the sport has lost it's attraction. this administration has ruined swimming because of their ignorance and selfishness. only the "select few" benifit from bsf "harvest". why are all the swimmers heading east? the poor "PONDS"! ONLY IF THEY KNEW THEIR HISTORY OF THE FEDREATION OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. ignorance is a B----! WHERE HAS SWIMMING IMPROVED OVER THE LAST YEAR? AND MY LAST QUESTION IS " SHOW ME THE MONEY" .PLEEEEEASE!
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  • Re: show me the money -- GG, Wednesday July 14 2004
  
  
• everything -- Emilia, Wednesday April 28 2004 [2] (port0150-cvx-carl1.cwjamaica.com/208.163.32.150)
  hi i am writing from jamaica and viewing your site and i think whoever made it should be congragulated on a job well done . i just want to tell u guys also that its just by luck that u beat jamaica at carifta 2004 . next year we will come back for u guys . also y don't u guys come to jamaica for a swimmeet if u can.
  

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• nationals,girls 8 and under -- Dr Susana Campbell, Tuesday April 13 2004 [1] (NoHost/24.231.36.192)
  I would like to thank Mr Cargill for trying to respond to my request but I must say coach Allan really dissapointed me, by the way I found the information I requested almost three weeks ago. Some parents like me are really interested in the sport and to see their children excell.
  
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• nationals,girls 8 and under -- Dr Susana Campbell, Tuesday April 13 2004 [1] (NoHost/24.231.36.192)
  I would like to thank Mr Cargill for trying to respond to my request but I must say coach Allan really dissapointed me, by the way I found the information I requested almost three weeks ago. Some parents like me are really interested in the sport and to see their children excell.
  
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• bahamas carifta team 2004 -- Alexis, Saturday March 13 2004 [1] (63-136-112-25.weststartv.com/63.136.112.25)
  i am writing from barbados. this is what i want to know: 1. when are the bahamas going to announce their carifta team. i am dying to know who made it.
  2. you guys have to get live results on your website like we do at www.swimbarbados.com!!! especially during carifta because my parents will be at home and wont be able to attend and if you have live results then they can look at your website 24-7 to see how well i do.
  3.i know you are having your carifta trials this weekend...post the results! now! please! i wanna know what times people like alana and arianna and tori miller went! ooh and ashton and david hanna too.
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  alexis
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• Synchronised swimming preliminaries -- Sarah JUSTE, Sunday March 07 2004 [4] (Mix-Pointe-a-Pitre-104-2-65.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr/193.250.167.65)
  -Hello,I'm writing from Guadeloupe
  I Wanted to have the date of the synchronised swimming preliminaries.
  It's for the the Carifta games,15-18 april 2004
  Can you give me the plans of the swimming pool.
  
  EXCUSE FOR MY INGLISH
  
  SEE YOU SOON
  

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  • Re: Synchronised swimming preliminaries -- Info@bahamasswimmingfederation.com, Tuesday January 20 2004
    • Re: Synchronised swimming preliminaries -- Info@bahamasswimmingfederation.com, Tuesday January 20 2004
  • Re: Synchronised swimming preliminaries -- a swimmer, Sunday March 07 2004
  
  
• visiting masters swimmer -- Elisa, Monday December 29 2003 [2] (NoHost/167.219.0.146)
  I am going to be visiting nassau from the 25th through the 2nd and would love to find out if there is a Masters Swim team that practices in Nassau. Also, does the Betty Kenning Aquatic Centre allow "drop-in" access?
  

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  • Re: visiting masters swimmer -- Algernon Cargill, Monday December 29 2003
  
  
• this is a test -- test, Thursday December 18 2003 [5] (NoHost/24.231.32.170)
  test, test, test, test.
  

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  • This is in response to your test. (NT) -- -, Wednesday December 10 2003
  • Re: this is a test -- Anthony Butler, Wednesday December 17 2003
    • Re: this is a test -- Anthony Butler, Wednesday December 17 2003
      • Re: links, swimmers bios etc. -- -, Thursday December 18 2003
  
  
• this is a test -- me, Wednesday December 10 2003 [1] (NoHost/24.231.32.170)
  Welcome to the official messageboard of the Bahamas Swimming Federation. Please feel free to leave a question or comment.
  

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• Carifta's non-swimmers -- OldTimer, Friday April 13 2001 [1] (NoHost/24.244.153.202)
  I have been trying to ease up on the BSF but they just won't give me a chance. I quote from a previous message I posted earlier:
  
  "This may be heresay but I have to mention it. A situation came up with 2 of the swimmers at the team selection meeting on Sunday. Algernon Cargill suggested that a one swimmer should be chosen over another because the swimmers parents were more supportive of the BSF"
  
  Well it turns out that it was not heresay and not just one but two of the kids from the "more supportive" parents got their way. These kids went on the trip to Carifta, got full uniforms and bags, hotel stay and meals, practiced with the team, they were even allowed in the athletes area at the meet. I just wonder who paid for all this?
  
  I am not faulting the athletes for this. I'm sure any athlete given the opportunity would have gone. The BSF and only the BSF allowed these kids on the plane.
  
  It turns out at that Love 97 has got wind of this as well. More egg in the face of swimming and the BSF. With all this bad press how are we ever going to get new people involved with swimming.
  
  Look people these guys (BSF) are doing nothing for our sport. Parents and club exec's please get off your bums and get swimming back on track.
  

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