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Subject: Are we starting to see a turn in feiseanna? (more inside)


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Its too bad
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Date Posted: 05:06:54 08/15/17 Tue

It's starting to feel like we are seeing more signs that we are pricing people out of dance and competitions. Entry numbers have been low on many competitions over the last several months, but now with Coogan not being held and no information on Gray occurring this fall, it looks as the days of abundant New England competitions may be starting to decline.

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[> Subject: Can't speak for others, but know we are doing fewer NE feiseanna because it's the same local judges at every time. We prefer new faces with fresh opinions so feel we are better off doing less, flying to double feis out-of-region


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just us
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Date Posted: 06:54:16 08/15/17 Tue


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[> Subject: Hard to say - and if you look at champ numbers for 2017 and 2016, some feiseanna had increases in champ dancers (Boston Teacher Feis) while others have had decreases in champ dancers (Dongan, Cape Cod). So many factors determine feis attendance. In my opinion, cost has not increase that much from last year to this year to make a difference.


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DM
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Date Posted: 07:39:39 08/15/17 Tue


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[> Subject: I was JUST going to post that it seems like the days of weekly NER feseanna are over. Could be that these schools (Gray, Coogan) are relatively small and the cost of putting on a feis (relative to fewer people signing up) is just too high to make it worth it. We are really sorry to see these two go (at least this year). Would prefer NER feseanna pre-Oireachtas than out of region. Didn't there used to be a Harney fall feis as well?


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NER mom
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Date Posted: 08:06:59 08/15/17 Tue


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[> Subject: Cost is a major factor it seems.. entry 75 ish them gas and a hotel easily $500 per Feis.. many people can not do that if going out of state.. like Maine and And other Feis of you posted start times or an idea of time more people would enter we stay away to avoid hotel expense if 3 hour drive


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Dd
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Date Posted: 10:20:36 08/15/17 Tue

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[> [> Subject: For us the drawback of doing NE feis is poor stage quality and same judges


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Please hire stage co to build safe, appropriate sized stages
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Date Posted: 22:47:03 08/15/17 Tue


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[> Subject: We are doing fewer as we are having to redirect entry/overnight costs toward paying for overnights for college tours. We are being very selective of those we do and are going out of region to have different judges. Tired of the same NE judges at each feis.


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Prioritizing
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Date Posted: 10:32:18 08/15/17 Tue


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[> Subject: I'm wondering if it's time to leverage resources across schools (more inside)


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Could we just need a change in approach?
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Date Posted: 05:06:41 08/16/17 Wed

If schools partnered to rent one venue across a Saturday and Sunday and shared good stages and out of region judges could it turn things around? Each day could be branded a separate feis. The costs for out of region adjudicators could be shared and it would potentially draw more out of region competitors who are looking for a double feis weekend to make it worth the drive.

Maybe it's time for schools/feis committees to look to partner versus cancel. I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of hosting a feis, or the challenges feis committees face.

Just throwing out an idea versus a complaint. I hate to see what has made our region great (feis availability) go by the wayside.

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[> [> Subject: NE already has several double-feis weekends, and while they do not share a venue they almost always team up to hire judges and split their travel expenses. I'm not sure sharing a venue would produce any additional savings since these are normally rented by the day.


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longtime feis volunteer
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Date Posted: 05:21:37 08/16/17 Wed


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[> [> [> Subject: Hmm. That might be true for schools, but for hotels, Sunday ballroom costs are often discounted quite a bit if both days are taken - Saturdays are a bigger day for hotels so if you book the weekend it's a bonus for them (plus a 2-day event will normally mean more overnight guests for the hotel). Might be worth looking into


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Former event planner
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Date Posted: 05:39:42 08/16/17 Wed


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Since many venues in NE use schools, I wonder if that would reduce costs even further.


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Venue
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Date Posted: 07:10:48 08/16/17 Wed


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[> [> Subject: I like this idea. Other regions do this (we've done double-feis weekends in Texas a few times). While we do have some double feis weekends (actually very few anymore that are BOTH NER feises as opposed to MAR/NER feises--i.e. O'Rourke/Shamrock), there is not a lot of coordination between them. They are sometimes in different states altogether (CT and MA) or across the state (McInerney/Forbes last Fall). There is no real pooling of resources as the poster suggests, which would be MUCH better.


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Great idea.
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Date Posted: 07:42:23 08/16/17 Wed


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[> [> Subject: Our experience with double-feis weekends in other regions is that it is in one venue and judges are assigned champs one day and grades the next so you don't get them 2 days in a row; in NE almost certain to have the same judges 2 days in a row


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just our experience
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Date Posted: 10:17:27 08/16/17 Wed


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[> [> [> Subject: Yes--as it now stands--one feis in CT and one in MA--double feis weekend but same judges at both feises. The way you describe it, they COULD actually switch the same set of judges so that champs would get two different sets of judges. Such a good idea.


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Would love to see this
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Date Posted: 10:34:39 08/16/17 Wed


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[> Subject: I like what the southern region does- 2nd chance feises, some on same day- but only if different judges


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worth a cheap flight
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Date Posted: 19:14:50 08/16/17 Wed


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[> Subject: No one has mentioned the elephant in the room, so I will. We don't feis very often because of the shenanigans. Love the dance, hate the politics.


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Bottom line
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Date Posted: 03:48:34 08/18/17 Fri


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[> [> Subject: I completely agree with you. That combined with the same judges all the time, combined with the cost....not worth it.


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Sick of the drtama
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Date Posted: 19:40:30 08/18/17 Fri


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[> [> [> Subject: I wish we didn't have to feis but mandatory for champs to do them prior to majors and the O at our school.


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Dance mom
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Date Posted: 17:37:04 08/20/17 Sun


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[> [> [> Subject: New to ID


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Dm
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Date Posted: 11:19:04 08/21/17 Mon

Daughter still in grades - do politics only tend to insert themselves at a higher level or do they extend into grades as well?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: They can, depending on enmity between schools/judges and bad behavior on the part of parents (recording, for example).


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Shouldn't be this way but it is
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Date Posted: 18:21:56 08/21/17 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Subject: You don't really hav to worry about this much at the feis level, or even at regionals. The stakes aren't yet high enough to engender serious shenanigans. But for NANs and Worlds, some TCs and ACDRGs are willing to compromise their integrity. One NE ACDRG got caught but the punishment was not severe, which tells me that NEIDT has no problem with cheating whatsoever.


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sad but true
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Date Posted: 07:17:30 11/22/17 Wed


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[> Subject: No info on Gray? I hope they will have it! Always like to go


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Date Posted: 05:58:23 08/18/17 Fri


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[> [> Subject: Not listed on NAFC. Not listed on Gray website. Gray school split last year, so I'm pretty sure Gray is now only doing the Spring feis.


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Date Posted: 08:18:35 08/18/17 Fri


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[> [> [> Subject: I must have missed that. What's the other school called?


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wondering
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Date Posted: 18:06:29 08/20/17 Sun


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Ashurst Academy


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Newtown
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Date Posted: 19:17:22 08/20/17 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thanks.


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wondering no more
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Date Posted: 04:43:35 08/23/17 Wed


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Understandable how you would miss that because it was not dramatic, very amicable and clean split


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Gives me hope
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Date Posted: 18:47:21 08/23/17 Wed


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[> Subject: Several feiseanna in upstate NY have disappeared as well. I think we're up to 3 gone now in recent years. Too expensive for the low numbers.


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Only the biggies seem to survive
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Date Posted: 21:01:08 08/21/17 Mon


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[> Subject: Ran Torrington Feis for years


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Former Torrington Feis Registrar
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Date Posted: 14:50:13 10/08/17 Sun

When the Torrington Feis was run by McArdle School, I was the feis registrar (I'm Jack's wife). McArdle School is small and in a rural area, so we always used a school rather than hotel (heck, we don't even have one nearby) to keep costs down. Dancers' families were wonderful volunteers and worked very hard, but being a small school, we also had to heavily rely on family and friends. School rental costs ran up over the years, and liability concerns increased - those hard shoes on school floors, especially in the hallways. We loved our feis - the homeyness of it - remember the mini pumpkins? - but finally retired from the feis business. The Irish dancer population was slowing down, a direct result of the newness of the Riverdance years having passed by, so it was a good time to stop, I think. Jack and I have many fond memories - and a few nightmares! - of those years and the many families that passed through our doors year after year. My hat is off to all schools who continue to hold their own feis year after year.

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[> Subject: We feis less, we wait until the adjudicators have been announced then decide. In New England there are judges that seem to judge every weekend. Schools hiring these judges tend to get a few extra podium placers...some more than a few. No doubt this is the reason families from our school have stopped attending certain feis.


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DD
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Date Posted: 10:58:55 11/21/17 Tue


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[> [> Subject: Yes, I remember the mini pumpkins, we always loved the Torrington Feis. Thank you for the many years of memories!


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mom of a retired dancer
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Date Posted: 12:31:12 11/21/17 Tue


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[> Subject: Also feels like some NE schools who love to toot their own horns aren't willing to step up and do the work of running a feis


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Shame
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Date Posted: 00:18:32 11/23/17 Thu


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[> [> Subject: Personally I have always thought it should be mandatory to run or co-sponsor a feis. No school is too small to band together with one or two others to put on a feis. Our school co-hosts 3 per year and we are not a large school. It's a lot of work but we feel it's important. I don't understand why other schools don't step up to do their share. I have long wondered if perhaps those who don't should be barred from competition, since they are in essence freeloading..


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just my own thoughts
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Date Posted: 07:14:18 11/23/17 Thu


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[> [> Subject: HPK has not had a feis in a few years, I believe, correct? I agree--if you want your dancers to get the benefit of feising at someone else's feis, then you should also provide a feis for other dancers to dance at.


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JMO
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Date Posted: 16:13:53 11/23/17 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Pender Keady has a feis. Not sure about the Harney side. PK calls it something different now tho ... CT State or South CT. Something like that.


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CT Mom
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Date Posted: 08:33:50 11/24/17 Fri


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Fairfield county


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Date Posted: 12:17:56 11/24/17 Fri


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Harney used to have a fall feis for years and a June feis for a few years, shame they've given up.


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Date Posted: 21:07:49 11/24/17 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I do sort of feel like the biggest mega school in the area should feel some obligation to put on a feis. Happy to have his dancers get their feis experience in every where else, but not putting in the work to put one on himself. The school has literally hundreds of parents that could volunteer to put on a feis.


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If you want to take, you gotta give
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Date Posted: 11:56:32 11/25/17 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Confused


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DM
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Date Posted: 19:33:07 11/26/17 Sun

It’s interesting that people are so quick to complain about Harney - either you come on this board and bash how they run the feis and that you will never attend again or then come on to bash them for not running a feis. Which is it? Not a Harney parent, but enough is enough!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 'Obligated to put on a feis'? Now that is the funniest things I've read in a while!


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thank you for my morning laugh!
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Date Posted: 07:41:12 11/28/17 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually, Harney has run feis for years - one in the fall, and I think they got the ICC feis up and running a few years ago. Both have had low turnout the past several years, so cannot blame them for letting them go as they very well may have been losing money on the events. PK is running the Fairfield Feis - IMO they have certainly given fair effort..


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this crit is short-sighted.
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Date Posted: 08:50:22 11/28/17 Tue


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[> Subject: HPK has a feis. It is called the FAIRFIELD COUNTY CHAMPIONSHIPS


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mommy
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Date Posted: 11:29:38 11/28/17 Tue

THEY HAVE HAD IT FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS IN FAIRFIELD COUNTY EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY. you can enter their feis now, as a matter a fact, on feis web.

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[> [> Subject: Well, that's funny. If by "they" you mean HARNEY, you are wrong. 'Cause when you go to the feis website it takes you directly to penderkeady.com. And when you search around the website it is all about the pender ready academy and when you want to buy apparel you make the checks out to the pender Keady foundation.


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Not even a pretense that Harney is involved
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Date Posted: 16:38:46 11/28/17 Tue


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[> [> [> Subject: Funny, when I go to the website it very clearly says 'HPK Stamford'. But you'll see it how you want to see it.


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Date Posted: 04:44:41 11/29/17 Wed


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[> [> Subject: Not a Harney feis


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Let's be honest now
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Date Posted: 11:17:44 11/29/17 Wed


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[> [> [> Subject: ^^Exactly. And it is certainly not true (as claimed above) that "they" (meaning HPK) have been putting on this feis for years. PK has, yes, but not Harney.


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TY
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Date Posted: 16:20:36 11/29/17 Wed


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