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Subject: MCGough Feis


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DM
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Date Posted: 13:17:44 11/03/20 Tue

Is anyone still planning on attending MCGough Feis now that NJ has put MA on their list of restricted states? We have decided not to go and I am waiting to hear back from feis committee regarding a refund but interested if anyone else has contacted them in the meantime!

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[> Subject: I don’t think anyone from MA


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will be allowed to go now
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Date Posted: 14:03:06 11/03/20 Tue

that MA is on the travel ban list for NJ, unless it changes again before the feis? I believe they will refund your money. I believe the feis stated it was only open to competitors not on the travel ban list. I know they have a big waitlist, so some other kids may now be able to go.

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[> Subject: Very disappointed - holding out hope a decision wouldn't be made til next week in the slim hope our #'s go down to the req'd amount or NJ's travel metric changed. I saw it said 215 were on the waiting list and I know a LOT of MA families planning to go. Fingers crossed for a refund if we're not allowed in!


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'DDMM
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Date Posted: 14:36:34 11/03/20 Tue


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[> Subject: Has a decision been made?


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I haven't seen anything yet?
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Date Posted: 18:15:45 11/04/20 Wed


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[> [> Subject: Don’t think so!


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OP
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Date Posted: 18:48:05 11/04/20 Wed

I haven’t heard back from feis committee yet but we have already decided not to go. Just hoping for a refund! Anyone going would have had to start quarantining last weekend! Can’t imagine things will change for the better at this point. So sad as my DD was so excited to be going!

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[> Subject: Syllabus said no refunds


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Date Posted: 07:23:51 11/05/20 Thu


I remember thinking to myself when I was signing up that I could be throwing away the fees if we were banned from due to COVID-19.

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[> [> Subject: But I thought CLRG made a rule about refunds if your state got put on a quarantine list?


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DMM
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Date Posted: 10:03:45 11/05/20 Thu


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[> [> [> Subject: Yes, I believe I saw that as well.


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It's only right
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Date Posted: 19:11:25 11/06/20 Fri


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[> Subject: I have a bad feeling that this whole feis is going to be canceled...the numbers in NJ are not good- fingers crossed though


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Would be a nice weekend
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Date Posted: 18:36:41 11/05/20 Thu


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[> [> Subject: I was wondering that too - but worse case, I hope it's postponed til Feb-March


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aldjfk
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Date Posted: 19:18:50 11/05/20 Thu


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[> [> Subject: NJ has been doing small number feiseanna for awhile now-


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Date Posted: 10:04:14 11/06/20 Fri

I doubt this will be cancelled.

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[> [> [> Subject: Every region except New England has been doing safe indoor and outdoor Feis for a while now ...


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Come on NE
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Date Posted: 10:52:49 11/06/20 Fri


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Murray is doing a feis next month, so there's nothing to complain about.


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Date Posted: 20:04:04 11/06/20 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Where can I find information about the Murray feis


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Date Posted: 13:21:09 11/08/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, I googled it for you, and the link is inside.


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hth
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Date Posted: 16:19:33 11/08/20 Sun

https://cararince.weebly.com/murray-academy-winter-feis.html

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you!


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😊
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Date Posted: 17:29:22 11/08/20 Sun


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[> Subject: The feis was moved to Lancaster


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Pennsylvania
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Date Posted: 17:50:29 11/10/20 Tue


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[> [> Subject: MA and CT are on PA travel ban.


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no bueno
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Date Posted: 18:33:02 11/10/20 Tue


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[> [> [> Subject: It's not a ban. Only an advisory. Like most states outside of NE, travel bans and penalties aren't mandated.


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It's online
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Date Posted: 19:19:58 11/10/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Subject: I thought the feis banned dancers from states on the travel advisory list.


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Didn’t they?
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Date Posted: 20:08:35 11/10/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Subject: I think it may just be an advisory if you look at the letter of the law


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Date Posted: 07:15:16 11/11/20 Wed

but I feel very uncomfortable going into a state that has clearly asked me not to go there and, adding to that, I'm coming from a state that actually has quarantine restrictions if I go to PA.

Not for us this time - hoping that the Murray Feis goes on without these restrictions.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: It may be a STATE advisory, but the FEIS said they would BAN dancers residing in those states.


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Didn’t they?
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Date Posted: 08:35:05 11/12/20 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Will be interesting to see if that's the case.


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Date Posted: 10:29:40 11/12/20 Thu

I don't think they deleted entries of people that were "banned" from dancing in NJ- they may be relying solely on self-report. No way they could turn it around for this recent move to PA and include those kids too.

Honor system, probably.

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[> [> [> Subject: The feis is refunding dancers from states on quarantine list.


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Yep.
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Date Posted: 20:13:06 11/10/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Is Ma on PA's quarantine list?


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curious
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Date Posted: 16:30:02 11/13/20 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes.


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It is.
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Date Posted: 11:03:32 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I see a few MA dancers in the results???


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How??
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Date Posted: 12:46:54 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It looks there was an honor system that allowed dancers to attend from banned states to the original location.


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Date Posted: 15:32:46 11/14/20 Sat

The states that were unable to travel into NJ were never removed.

I don't think we should anticipate that feiseanna will remove dancers-even if they imply they will.

The whole country is pretty much on fire at this point, anyway- if we are feising, we are taking a chance- there really are only a few locations in the US that can say they are "safe".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Basically, if you are feising right now you have decided your family's health matters less than your child's chance to win a trophy.


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Date Posted: 15:40:59 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Are you a hypocrite or risk-averse doomsday prepper who is not going to work or school? Your risk is higher going to Price Chopper than it is going to a 200 person capped feis.


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GFY
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Date Posted: 17:17:37 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Not the AP, but my work won't allow people in the office and my dd's school won't move to in-person learning because we're all safer at home. Stop comparing grocery shopping for necessities to a dance competition


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So yeah, not feising
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Date Posted: 10:02:31 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Groceries are a necessity. I can WFH with my job. Feising is quite definitely not a necessity. It's slightly alarming that you don't know that.


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fact
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Date Posted: 15:16:15 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The risk is at parity regardless of rationale. We engage in work and school remotely too. Yet I’d rather skip mingling at Price Chopper and have my groceries delivered before and after a feis. So you see, our risk tolerance is comparable. :)


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GFY
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Date Posted: 11:02:56 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There is no parity here. Not sure why you keep referring to Price Chopper; their stores are disgusting and I would never enter one. Grocery shopping is a necessity. Working is a necessity. Feising is a frivolous and risky choice during a worsening pandemic.


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let's stick to facts
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Date Posted: 16:22:19 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: That’s your opinion and who are you but someone who has decided that his/her opinion matters. I haven’t grocery shopped in months (there is nothing that cannot be delivered) and I work from home. If I never set foot in a store (Price Chopper or alt) and you never set foot in a feis location then why do you care that I was at a feis? Our paths will never cross and I can live with that.


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GFY
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Date Posted: 19:15:12 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I don't know why you can't understand that grocery shopping falls under category of essential activities whereas feising is both frivolous and completely unnecessary. You are the kind of person responsible for the spread of Covid. I am fortunate in that I will probably never cross paths with you during Covid, but think of all the people who you could put at risk with your selfishness.


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Date Posted: 17:56:24 11/20/20 Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Let me try and break it down for you in smaller words. While you are going out shopping for “essentials” we are at home using delivery services. That is where you have chosen to assume risk and I have not. When we attend a feis with protocols we are tested within hours of returning home. Are you getting tested every time you come home from Price Chopper?! I don’t think so. ;) We have a better read on our status and gauge of our “risk” at any given time than you do.


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GFY
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Date Posted: 09:40:55 11/23/20 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I don’t understand MA was banned in NJ too. MCGough Academy should have removed dancers that were on the travel advisory list like they said they would. Sweetest Feis on Earth and Hershey Feis did. Heritage did. No reason why McGough shouldn’t.


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That is messed up
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Date Posted: 22:07:52 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Apparently, McGough did not remove dancers on the travel advisory list like they said they would.


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Not Right
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Date Posted: 22:13:01 11/14/20 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: While I agree that McGough should have removed these entries, I also think it reflects poorly on those that did attend from a "banned" state - who have to think that rules don't apply to them. This it-wont-be-me mentality is a part of why infections are skyrocketing.


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DM
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Date Posted: 08:06:24 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You have no way of knowing if they adhered to 14 day quarantine. With many schools and jobs on remote, very easy to do. Our dance school provides zoom classes for those on quarantine


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Never assume
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Date Posted: 08:34:31 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually you can for the most part assume for two reasons, first being that no one correctly quarantines. Quarantining for travel means no one IN THE HOUSEHOLD can leave for any reason for two weeks. No grocery trips, no picking up takeout, no walks on public beaches. Secondly, all you need to do is look at


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DM
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Date Posted: 14:56:26 11/16/20 Mon

schools social media to see that several of these dancers were in class, at feis, or out and about in the 14 days prior. So no assuming there.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually I blame McGough. If they didn't contact people offering a refund and telling them not to come, then they were a bit disingenuous expecting that people would simply stay home. I heard they didn't offer refunds unless you contacted them to expressly ask for it.


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they should have done better
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Date Posted: 09:18:01 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I blame McGough too.


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DM
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Date Posted: 19:26:33 11/15/20 Sun

Heritage, Hershey, Sweetest Feis all refunded people and told them they were not allowed to come, if their state was on the travel advisory list. People had no choice in the matter. That is what McGough should have done, especially since that is what they said they were going to do as an additional precaution.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Only if you ask I think.


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Date Posted: 17:00:14 11/13/20 Fri


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[> Subject: Not sure why this weekend has ppl upset? Personal? At least 6 schools attended the Columbus Weekend Feis in Tampa. All of a sudden you noticed?? Or just feeling extra angry today,,,


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Worry about you GFY
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Date Posted: 19:15:00 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> Subject: Actually you seem pretty angry yourself


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feeling alright?
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Date Posted: 21:22:03 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> Subject: Are GFY your initials? Or are you being crass?


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DM
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Date Posted: 17:33:26 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> Subject: I think people are trying to worry about themselves. Did the Tampa Feis say they would not admit dancers that reside in states on their state travel advisory?


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Date Posted: 21:48:07 11/15/20 Sun

Probably not. McGough however did say they would as an added precaution. If you choose to go to the Tampa feis you are aware of that. People who chose to go to the McGough Feis were not aware that dancers from those states would be there because they were told they would not be. So it is different.

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[> [> [> Subject: Massachusetts had Florida on their travel restriction list during Columbus Day Weekend - thus dancers who went to FL were forced to quarantine or test. The point is no one on this board had a comment. Odd that this weekend so many ppl feel the need to be judgemental and unkind. Why now?


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Thinking it's strange to not pick on the other Feis/travel
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Date Posted: 22:49:29 11/15/20 Sun


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[> [> [> [> Subject: I think it’s because McGough posted on Feisweb that entri s would only be accepted from states without a travel advisory in place. MA was not originally on that list but was added a week or so before the Feis was moved. MA as well as many other states are on the PA advisory which says to travelers please don’t come. I don’t think it’s as much about recommendation or requirement as it is about feis registration. Tampa has no such restrictions on registration.


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Didn’t attend either feis
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Date Posted: 04:39:08 11/16/20 Mon

I think it’s because McGough posted on Feisweb that entries would only be accepted from states without a travel advisory in place. MA was not originally on that list but was added a week or so before the Feis was moved. MA as well as many other states are on the PA advisory which says to travelers please don’t come. I don’t think it’s as much about travel being a recommendation or requirement or who’s quarantining. as it is about feis registration. Tampa had no such restrictions on registration.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Excellent explanation!


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Thank you!
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Date Posted: 05:45:48 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> Subject: People are upset because they attended with the understanding that the feis would do what it SAID IT WOULD DO and not accept dancers from states with a travel advisory to maximize safety. The Florida feis made no such provision, so anyone entering knew that they were accepting the increased risk. I commend those who respected the other competitors safety and health and did not attend once their state went on the advisory.


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MA
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Date Posted: 15:11:39 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> [> Subject: Another great explanation!


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Thank you!
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Date Posted: 16:00:15 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> [> Subject: do you think they will disqualify the dancers? seems harsh but...


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since they didn't follow rules?
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Date Posted: 16:22:18 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Dancers were not disqualified. I do think the McGough Academy should be held accountable.


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There should be some over site.
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Date Posted: 17:37:43 11/16/20 Mon

Maybe a fine or something to discourage this from happening again? I guess the Mid Atlantic Regional Board and the Irish Dance Teachers of North America and perhaps CLRG should be involved? I know the NAFC was disbanded.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: You can't disqualify these dancers because they went against an "advisory". There was no law OR rule they broke. They worked hard and earned any awards they acheived.


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ridiculous
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Date Posted: 16:16:53 11/18/20 Wed

Go crawl back into your "Karen" house

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I never said to disqualify any dancers. I think you were trying to respond to another person.


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Date Posted: 19:55:26 11/18/20 Wed


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Yikes!! The angry “Karens” are all fired up tonight. LOL!! You honestly sound like sore losers licking your wounds from the past weekend and hoping some disqualifications and/or fines will help soften the blow. Perhaps your time is better spent promoting the many values of strengthening resilience and promoting good sportsmanship than venting anonymously on this board?!


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GFY
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Date Posted: 20:56:34 11/16/20 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: are GFY your initials or are you being crass?


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DD
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Date Posted: 05:56:20 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think it has been a very nice and helpful discussion.


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But you sound like a moron.
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Date Posted: 07:29:27 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think it's time to stop beating a dead horse on this one & move on. Very toxic.


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Not healthy. Keep it positive people
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Date Posted: 08:05:48 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Please don't call fellow board readers names. You may get away with that on your MAR board but it is not welcome here.


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Date Posted: 19:08:02 11/17/20 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: AMEN!


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Move on!
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Date Posted: 16:19:10 11/18/20 Wed

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