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Subject: Re: The Next Work


Author:
Jamie O'Neill
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Date Posted: Tue, Apr 12 2005, 20:35:57 GMT
In reply to: Nick Steward 's message, "The Next Work" on Sun, Apr 10 2005, 14:06:30 GMT

Hi Nick, I was caught by your mention of butterflies, because one of the old Irish (Gaelic) expressions for two men loving translates as "kiss of the butterfly", which is kind of sweet.

Sequel -- possibly, but it's just the last four pages of At Swim filled out. (I very much wish that I were writing this now -- because I'd like to visit MacMurrough again, and visit Jim, too, and see how they're getting on.)

Film -- this goes on and on. I really don't know. After Alexander, it seems unlikely. But again, after Alexander, it might be just the thing. There are people working on it, but I shouldn't hold breath waiting.

Same theme -- I was going to say no, that there's nothing more for me to say. But that's not quite true. A modern romance would involve girls much more (most gay teens nowadays tell their girlfriend first) -- it's a very happy thing for me that the sexes are no longer so much apart when young. You can see this at the Forty Foot. When I was a kid there was all this "atmosphere" about the place, which was brought about, basically, because it was men-only. Now, it's just a wonderful place to swim and have fun, all ages, all dispositions, but perhaps not all weathers. Then again, I have this idea for a novel set in America, in Delaware, say, or Florida, in the 10th Century. Only it's not called America, but Nova Roma. For the Roman Empire did not fall, the Christians were expelled (Google Emperor Julian the Apostate and imagine he had not died young); there were no Dark Ages. The Romans have discovered America; they have a trading colony there; peace and goodwill with the Mayan civilization; the easy-going Roman way with sex prevails. But now the Christians are coming, claiming Nova Roma for their New Jerusalem. My Roman boy falls in love with a Christian boy, and he must pretend to his friends that yes, they do make love, and he must keep to himself the terrible shoddy secret of their chaste embraces.

Oh, if only I could write. If only I could get down to writing. Jamie.

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Author:
Marauder
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Date Posted: Sat, Apr 16 2005, 19:14:39 GMT

If there's something to stop you from having the film made, let it be ANYTHING but that awful movie Alexander.

I really hope you will write that sequel, but I understand what not being able to write is like.

I'm very amused by the terrible shame of the Roman boy...

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Author:
Ben
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Date Posted: Thu, May 26 2005, 20:21:56 GMT

For myself, I liked Alexander quite a lot, of course it wasn't perfect, but I think it came out nicely as a movie. The public reaction, of course, was awful. It actually may have been better received if there had been graphic gay love scenes- social conservatives would have been screaming their heads off, and the extra attention would have translated into better box office returns. Ah, well- timidity lost the day.

I think we're all interested by the Roma Nova idea. Good luck with the writing, Mr. O'Neill.

Re: the screen adaption of At Swim, Two Boys, it's something that I've been wanting to see ever since I read the book. Mr. O'Neill implied that it is an idea under development; but if it hasn't been made in five years or so, I'd like to try myself. It could easily be an indie-style film without a lot of publicity hoopla. Probably shot on location in Ireland, a relatively simple thing technically. About the casting, I could see well-known actors in some of the roles, such as the MacMurroughs, but for the boys it'd be best to find unknowns.

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Author:
Tom
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Date Posted: Thu, Feb 23 2006, 21:58:10 GMT

I hadn't thought of a film-version, but I'm not sure I'd like it. Half the power of the story is surely in the writing!
I would like to hear the true accents, as I tried in my head based on doyler saying "socialist" without a "sh", but I'm probably far off - for that means I'd like to find a audiobook if there is one.
But a film? Too overexposed and public! Would it retain it's specialness?

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Author:
Ernster
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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 13 2006, 15:54:10 GMT

>I hadn't thought of a film-version, but I'm not sure
>I'd like it. Half the power of the story is surely in
>the writing!
>I would like to hear the true accents, as I tried in
>my head based on doyler saying "socialist" without a
>"sh", but I'm probably far off - for that means I'd
>like to find a audiobook if there is one.
>But a film? Too overexposed and public! Would it
>retain it's specialness?

I think those of us that love the book so very much would probably enjoy seeing the film, but I doubt that a film could match the impact of the book. I'm all for it though. Give it a shot I say...the book will always be there anyway, and who knows what might come of the film?

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Author:
Liz
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Date Posted: Mon, Apr 18 2005, 20:16:18 GMT

>because I'd like to visit
>MacMurrough again, and visit Jim, too, and see how
>they're getting on.)

I think that would be my dream come true, actually, and sadly. (I do have other dreams, I really do!)

>After Alexander, it seems unlikely.

Is that because of the (very poor) quality, or the way they seemed to disregard the sexual side of his relationship with Hephaistion? Are you afraid they would do the same thing with "At Swim"? Actually, that's a proper concern, sadly - of course, that also depends on the maker of the film, who's involved, etc. If nothing else, I sincerely hope Oliver Stone doesn't get involved - his treatment of Alexander the Great had me mad for a week. It's also a bad sign when one of the saddest parts of the story is practically turned into an accidental farce. (Hephaistion's death? What a horrible piece of filmmaking.)

>Then
>again, I have this idea for a novel set in America, in
>Delaware, say, or Florida, in the 10th Century. Only
>it's not called America, but Nova Roma. For the Roman
>Empire did not fall, the Christians were expelled
>(Google Emperor Julian the Apostate and imagine he had
>not died young); there were no Dark Ages.

The whole idea is brilliant! It would give you so much to work out, and so many great things to juggle - what *would* the world be like, had the Roman Empire not fallen? It seems like such a defining part of history, that working around it just sounds like, well, a good time.

>My Roman boy falls in love with a
>Christian boy, and he must pretend to his friends that
>yes, they do make love, and he must keep to himself
>the terrible shoddy secret of their chaste embraces.

Oh my, now that's reversal! What a brilliant and witty idea.

And, I've said this before - I think we're all willing to wait for however long it takes you to write the next thing, no matter what it is.

-Liz

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Author:
Patrick
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Date Posted: Thu, Apr 21 2005, 10:26:17 GMT

Speak for yourself Liz :P , I can't wait to read his next 'Whatever', be it short story or novel. :)



"And, I've said this before - I think we're all willing
to wait for however long it takes you to write the
next thing, no matter what it is."

-Liz

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Author:
NG
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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2005, 11:44:46 GMT

>Hi Nick, I was caught by your mention of butterflies,
>because one of the old Irish (Gaelic) expressions for
>two men loving translates as "kiss of the butterfly",
>which is kind of sweet.
>
>Sequel -- possibly, but it's just the last four pages
>of At Swim filled out. (I very much wish that I were
>writing this now -- because I'd like to visit
>MacMurrough again, and visit Jim, too, and see how
>they're getting on.)
>
>Film -- this goes on and on. I really don't know.
>After Alexander, it seems unlikely. But again, after
>Alexander, it might be just the thing. There are
>people working on it, but I shouldn't hold breath
>waiting.
>
>Same theme -- I was going to say no, that there's
>nothing more for me to say. But that's not quite true.
>A modern romance would involve girls much more (most
>gay teens nowadays tell their girlfriend first) --
>it's a very happy thing for me that the sexes are no
>longer so much apart when young. You can see this at
>the Forty Foot. When I was a kid there was all this
>"atmosphere" about the place, which was brought about,
>basically, because it was men-only. Now, it's just a
>wonderful place to swim and have fun, all ages, all
>dispositions, but perhaps not all weathers. Then
>again, I have this idea for a novel set in America, in
>Delaware, say, or Florida, in the 10th Century. Only
>it's not called America, but Nova Roma. For the Roman
>Empire did not fall, the Christians were expelled
>(Google Emperor Julian the Apostate and imagine he had
>not died young); there were no Dark Ages. The Romans
>have discovered America; they have a trading colony
>there; peace and goodwill with the Mayan civilization;
>the easy-going Roman way with sex prevails. But now
>the Christians are coming, claiming Nova Roma for
>their New Jerusalem. My Roman boy falls in love with a
>Christian boy, and he must pretend to his friends that
>yes, they do make love, and he must keep to himself
>the terrible shoddy secret of their chaste embraces.
>
>Oh, if only I could write. If only I could get down to
>writing. Jamie.

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Author:
NG
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Date Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2005, 11:58:30 GMT

Sorry about that-- I hit "return" prematurely, and only posted the text of Jamie's original message.

I just finished the book this morning, and I won't say too much about the ending, though I was certainly expecting something like that to happen. It does leave a bit of a hollow feeling, but I'm happy to say that part of it is that the story has come to an end. This book I literally had to be torn away from. Not bad for something I had heard vaguely about and decided finally to pick up in an Edinburgh bookshop.

I appreciated it very much, not just from the gay standpoint, but also that there was so much of the history wrapped into it. I'm now expecting I'll be looking into the Easter Rising more seriously, as I've never read any histories about it. Of course, going back to school in the fall, I'm not sure how much time I'll have, but we'll see.

What is this Irish phrase? Another thing I appreciated is the Irish that appeared. I'm studying Scots Gaelic on my own right now, and I'll be picking up formal courses at the university in the fall.

Tapadh leat airson an leabhar seo, a Jamie! (I've never studied Irish, so you'll have to settle for Scots Gaelic, I'm afraid.)

Nathan

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Author:
Scott
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Date Posted: Wed, Dec 28 2005, 17:17:36 GMT

>Film -- this goes on and on. I really don't know.
>After Alexander, it seems unlikely. But again, after
>Alexander, it might be just the thing.

-Mr. O'neill I wouldn't be surprised if they did come though with ASTB. From the huge hype and great feed back from Brokeback Mountain a short novella,(I am sure you have heard and most likely seen it) turned major motion pictur. That ASTB would make a marvolous film and gain more attention. I must again thank you for such a brillant work of art that touches me so that I cry when reading it, even in public.

-Scott McKelvey

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Author:
Tom
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Date Posted: Thu, Feb 23 2006, 22:14:21 GMT


>-Mr. O'neill I wouldn't be surprised if they did come
>though with ASTB. From the huge hype and great feed
>back from Brokeback Mountain a short novella,(I am
>sure you have heard and most likely seen it) turned
>major motion pictur. That ASTB would make a marvolous
>film and gain more attention. I must again thank you
>for such a brillant work of art that touches me so
>that I cry when reading it, even in public.
>

I was about to say this - Brokeback has proved to be, some say, the first mainstream film of it's genre. I saw it and loved it and my freinds all did too.
It was subtle and beautiful and a triumph. Maybe At Swim (is it just me who prefers 'At Swim' or 'Two Boys' than 'ATSB' which is so ugly a title unlike the book!?) would also be able to do this...

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Author:
Jamie O'Neill
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Date Posted: Thu, Mar 16 2006, 21:02:35 GMT

We'll know soon enough. I've just had three serious meetings with three several film people. It's The Brokeback Effect. Which, come to think of it, is a great title for a Matt Damon thriller.

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Author:
Liz
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Date Posted: Fri, Apr 21 2006, 17:38:09 GMT

>We'll know soon enough. I've just had three serious
>meetings with three several film people. It's The
>Brokeback Effect. Which, come to think of it, is a
>great title for a Matt Damon thriller.

Really? Wow, that sounds serious... They better come through with quality, then. God knows, they'll have a hoarde of irate fans after their blood, otherwise...

-Liz

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