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Subject: Re: It works! Remus and Sirius


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Jo
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Date Posted: Thu, May 27 2004, 16:20:21 GMT
In reply to: Jamie O'Neill 's message, "Re: It works! Remus and Sirius" on Thu, May 27 2004, 7:00:32 GMT

>Re Remus and Sirius, I confess I didn't get what all
>the fuss was about at first.

I think this is just a sign that you need to read some fan fic. I didn't understand the fascination until I saw what people other than JKR were able to bring out in those two relatively minor characters. If you want a recommendation or two, just ask. I am all about the pimping.

>But I've just finished a
>re-reading of the five books, and I think I get a
>glimmering of what the 'ship (what is 'ship short
>for?) is all about.

It's short for relationship, but it can be used in a host of really amusing ways. I think my favorites are the classic 'I ship Remus/Sirius' or the almost obscene 'I sail R/S' I only saw that once, but the visual it brought has stayed with me.

>A writer can kid himself that he's in control of his
>book and of its meanings. But eventually you come to
>understand there's a character in your book over whom
>you have no control at all. That extra character is,
>of course, the reader. And the true meaning of a book
>only comes clear when it's long been published, and
>the last character, the reader, has brought his own or
>her own or their own feelings, experiences, hopes,
>fears, to bear upon your writing. In the end, there
>are as many meanings of a book as there are readers.

That is a great way to look at it. I know that to some writers the concept of fan fiction, other people writing their characters, makes them very, very angry. I understand this. I don't agree with it.

I think about the characters in almost every book outside of just how you see them in that book. I have my impressions of what they are like, how they think, feel and act. The writer controls that characterization in as far as they write him or her in the book. Beyond that, they're all mine. How I think of them, my reaction to them and my impressions of them are based as much on my thoughts and feelings, the junk I brought with me into the book, as they are based on the author's words.

That happens with every reader of every book. If they write or read fan fiction or not, they still have their take on the characters. Fan fiction is just an extension of that. It's the next logical step in a way.

I just spent a lot of time saying nothing, didn't I? heh. I love it when I do that.

>This has got nothing to do with Remus and Sirius, but
>I thought I'd say it anyway. I liked Remus better, but
>I loved Sirius too (that bark of a laugh). They're
>obviously very close together. Harry's Christmas
>present, after all, is from both of them.

We could go on for days, and we have, with all the proof that they're knocking boots. The joint gift is a favorite.

I was going to say more, but lunch is here. I do have my priorities.


Love and Lemons,
Jo

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Vonnie
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Date Posted: Thu, May 27 2004, 22:40:55 GMT

>>A writer can kid himself that he's in control of his
>>book and of its meanings. But eventually you come to
>>understand there's a character in your book over whom
>>you have no control at all. That extra character is,
>>of course, the reader.

This I understand. Because when I read a book the characters become mine. They exist in my head after all. In a way that's why I don't get into fandoms for the most part. Because other people having these people in their heads makes me....jealous? God....that's pretty sad, but really quite true. HP was different, but only a little really. I still sometimes find myself mentally snatching characters away from people and shouting "MINE" in my head. Heh.

Maybe that's why I can not read the end of the book sometimes. Because while I read it they belong to me, and if I want them to live and head the forefront of the Irish Pride movement then that's up to me.

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