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Date Posted: 10:51:09 12/08/04 Wed
Author: H - 25 Nov 2004
Subject: Re: Correction
In reply to: Sundarar - 24 Nov 2004 's message, "Re: Correction" on 10:47:58 12/08/04 Wed


But what about people like Nathan Gill and Suzanne Segal? They lost their sense of 'I'-ness without doing anything and without ecstasy. It may come back also without good reason. Have they attained Nirbikalpa Samadhi?

If you look at the end experience of a bakta and a jyana you can see that they are almost identical.

It seems so, yes.

Walters says when he asked Guruji if Gyanamata had chelas, Yogananda said yes she did and she must have had. (In "the path") You have to help free 6 to get totally free yourself Guruji said to him. The confusing thing is she did not publicly declare herself a guru but that is understandable given the circumstances.

6 people? But Yogananda himself spoke of only FOUR of HIS disciples that would attain liberation, didn't he?

Rajarsi probably got beginning nirvikalpa experiences years before his final anchoring in it in 1953. It is unclear wether he got jivanmukta or siddha on this occasion but Master said he would be a siddha when he died--it may have happened at his death.

In any case it is reported that shortly before his own passing Yogananda was crying hysterically because he knew that "Satan is destroying Rajarsi's body". Why was he crying? - because of Rajarsi being unwell, or because he was afraid Rajarsi would not have sufficient time to realize his full potential? In the 1930's he even encouraged him to transform his body into light. At any rate it means that Yogananda saw a great potential in Rajarsi, and his death was no doubt a rather premature one.

For Rajarsi I have only the greatest respect. He appears almost otherworldly. A businessman becoming what he became is a miracle. A friend of mine met a man of ninety who knew both Yogananda and Rajarsi. He said that Rajarsi left an even deeper impression with him than Yogananda himself. From Yogananda's letters and poems I sometimes got the notion that even he himself held a kind of reverence for his singular disciple.

To me, the God devotion of a bakti, the utter advaita of a jyanai--they are 2 ways of describing nirbikalpa samadhi.

I think Nirbikalpa Samadhi is a state of consciousness, and the jnani is approaching and explaining it by the mind while the bhakta does so with his devotion and the language of the heart.

I do not know what is the goal of yoga or if it is same for all, but Ramakrishna, after examining his hundreds of spiritual states and experiences got to the conclusion that attaining the non-dual state is essential.

H

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