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Date Posted: 05:03:06 12/16/04 Thu
Author: Anonymous - 24 Nov 2004
Subject: Here goes..
In reply to: dr - 24 Nov 2004 's message, "Airplane route" on 04:10:17 12/16/04 Thu


"Why does every other yoga book and teacher say that pranayama is breath control?"

Because it is control of life-force by breath. Its like saying the glass is half full or half empty. It doesnt matter that most books and teachers see it as breath control because the fact remains that the breath is the outcome or effect of the working of the life force, not the other way around.

"Surely meditation is the same for each person (apart from the samskaras and karmas)? Buddhists can be enlighened, christians can be, taoist, - pretty much anyone. And you don't need kriya either."

I agree. No one is forcing kriya on anyone. Kriya masters may encourage it and advise people to practice but they dont shove it down their throats. I have heard kriya being described as simply a way to reveal quickly that which is bound to be revealed in oneself in time. You dont NEED kriya, but you dont need to avoid it either, if thats what you feel drawn to practicing. Its entirely individual.

"Blood is not decarbonised. Carbon dioxide is less. Decarbonised simply means getting rid of the "dirt". What this quotation reveals is that when a person fasts, and breathes in more oxygen via the kriya breath, the senses turn inwards because the heart is free from pumping venous blood to the lungs. It is as simple as that. Why then, do teachers say that the cool and warm currents that are supposed to be felt in the spine are astral by nature, and that someone who does kriya without the breath can get the same results? That is nonsensical. The breathing component of kriya is the key to sense-withdrawal. Without the extra oxygen inhaled, the heart does not cease, the lungs do not stop, and the senses do not withdraw."

Youre not entirely correct. Again its a matter of which aspect and from which vantage point of the physiological process youre looking at. The heart uses a large part of the life current to keep the body pumping blood so that respiration can go on throughout the cells by oxygenation and removal of carbon dioxide (waste). By usurping life force in this way, the body keeps it earth-bound and unable to perceive the spiritual realms within. By releasing the captive life force and one's awareness with it from the body, kriya accomplishes in an efficient way what it might take an enthusiastic spiritual explorer a very long time to achieve with other methods.

"Kriya is also related to the zodiac - but why? There are countless stars and planets in the entire universe. How does, for example, Pluto relate to a certain chakra? What is the explanation/science behind this? And can it be stated in just one sentence?"

The planets that affect us strongly are the ones in the orbit of our sun based on their closer distance to us than say, the planets of a far off solar system. Planets relate to the chakras because the chakras themselves are like planets with a distance from the central sun of cosmic consciousness which projects the body through the spiritual eye. The zodiac signs are based on constellations of stars whose various effects and influence on us was mapped out by the rishis many thousands of years ago. It stands to reason that kriya is related to astrology because it deals with the effect of the subtle magnetism that exists between cosmic bodies. Stars are enormous cosmic bodies whose radiations reach tremendously long distances. It stands to reason that it would affect us since our bodies, existing in the same cosmos, are also cosmic bodies. Kriya acts on the very places within our bodies which are actively manifesting the body. We have our own solar system within which in some incredible way is synchronous with the solar system and indeed the whole universe without.

"Cool and warm currents are astral. They can be felt in the PHYSICAL body. Nonsense again. What does making the life force go up and down (astral cool and warm currents) have to do with kundalini going through the chakras? Absolutely nothing. They are not connected by any line of rational thinking. Yet read the literature about kriya and you will see that a huge conglomeration of mixed up "facts" are presented for you."

All depends on the way you interpret what is written. Just because you dont comprehend how something might relate to something else, doesnt mean nobody else can either. These current are felt in the physical body in a manner of speaking because what we commonly think of as the physical body is actually the combination of causal, astral and physical. The life energy that flows through the nervous system through which we perceive the physical realm is astral in nature and anything that we perceive of the physical is actually through this astral medium of the senses. The senses are said to be physical only through identification with that which they perceive.

The life force going up and down is for the purpose of oxygenating the body and decarbonating it in a more efficient manner, and also to magnetize the spine and brain so that the energy which noramlly flows downward through the spinal chakras into the body from the brain is reversed and flows back toward its source in the brain chakras and beyond there the infinite realm of Spirit beyond the body and physical realm (which exist within it at a particular rate of atomic vibration). The cool and warm currents are the aternating flow of life which manifests the act physical breathing. By controlling the currents you control the breath and can bring it to rest gradually. Kundalini relates to this because once the currents have been neutralized, the life energy is released from the very act which made it flow down and out through the senses and flows back to the brain as mentioned before. Kundalini itself is actually the flow of this life through a particular section of the spine, the coccyx. The subtle inner nerve of the spine takes the shape of three and a half coils at this point and the tremendous feeling the yogis have described as the life and consciousness ascends the spinal pathway at this point is what is termed kundalini.

"Kriya does not suspend the anabolic and catabolic process. It just slows it down.

Kriya does not make a person live for 300 years, 500 years, a thousand years, or 10,000 years.

When Yogananda's body was supposed to be incorruptible, there was testimony to the effect that a small brown dot appeared on his nose after a while due to decay. SRF has said otherwise and presents a false picture."

Depends on the degree of mastery of kriya and more to the point the degree of mastery of the causal body through practice of kriya. Physical death seems real because essentially it is a thought, a blueprint in the mind of the Creator. It is there for a reason, so that the soul which is infinite and unlimited does not get attached or stuck in a body which is finite and limited. But for someone who has won freedom from the body and indeed from the entire kingdom of nature, why should it not be possible to make any change in it? But generally speaking you are right. Very few can claim to have achieved bodily immortality or even to be able to exist in it for a great deal longer than the average amount alloted to human beings by natural/divine law. This is possible only for very advanced yogis.

Who said there was a spot on Yogananda's nose? How do you know they arent lying instead of SRF? And even if there was a spot, how many can claim being that decay-free after death generally? And how does being decay-free or not affect the power of a great yogi to choose whether his body will decay as normal or not since he or she has attained mastery over matter? You need to ask deeper questions than you have so far because youre only scratching the surface.

"The idea of an astral and causal body and plane is nonsensical. In one of the collected talks books (SRF), Yogananda says that he sees a dead person sitting in the isles at one of his speeches, and that it seems as real to him as physical reality. However, this astral "body" cannot be sitting on a physical chair. Think about it."

One of things about the astral and causal plane is that they interpenetrate the physical because together they manifest it. Causal is the subtlest portion where everything exists in the mind as an idea, in the astral one perceives the energy making the thoughts manifest and the physical is where this energy takes on a particular rate of vibration and solidity. Its perfectly normal for Yogananda to have seen an astral being in a physical chair because that chair is in fact causal, astral and physical all at the same time, its just a question of which plane you are perceiving it from. Obviously Yogananda had the power to perceive the causal, astral and physical even while being able to function fully in the physical (not needing to be in meditation) by that time.

"What does a causal body look like?"

What does an idea look like? You may not see it like a physical body but the mental impression of it is there, just like when you can feel the presence of someone without necessarily seeing their physical form.

"Finally, if kriya is the airplane route to God, how can direct disciples of the avatar Yogananda spend 70 years doing kriya and don't even get a small samadhi until their death? Why are there designated mathematical time frames for liberation by kriya practice?"

Because as previously mentioned, since kriya is understandably linked with the effect of cosmic bodies upon us, we have to enact the movement of our location in space to the centre of our galaxy which occurs very slowly in normal space/time as you can imagine. The closer we get to that centre the more evolved we are spiritually because of the effect of the tremendous radiations from that grand centre. It even affects our awareness; we become more aware of the oneness of everything. Since we dont have to wait for nature to take its course through millenia of natural unfoldment, and through kriya we can make that same journey to the grand centre within ourselves, corresponding internally to the blueprint of the external universe, why not go ahead and do so if we feel so inclined? To each his own!

"I smell a rat."

I smell one too and it seems to be your narowness of vision my young padawan

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  • Re: Airplane route -- H - 25 Nov 2004, 05:54:01 12/16/04 Thu
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