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Date Posted: 12:58:13 09/27/04 Mon
Author: kriya - 23 Aug 2004
Subject: Re: SHAILENDRA
In reply to: kriya - 21 Aug 2004 's message, "Re: SHAILENDRA" on 12:54:21 09/27/04 Mon


Well. Let me try my best to answer some of your questions and points.

Lahiri Baba said that in His 5 directives for the householders, that kriyavans should from time to time congregate to talk about God. That is what we are doing here, discussing - NOT taking MRI scans of the tongue in kechari and trying to prove our worth as a Guru.

Each must decide for themselves what is right and wrong.

It is not the most impossible thing to go into the breathless state. It will happen to every kriyavan as he practices his kriyas with diligence. It is a natural process and by no means at all anywhere even remotely near the goal.

Those who are able to enter that state at will however, have gone a long way in the path. The deeper the breathlessness, the deeper the bliss. See? The deeper the bliss, the greater the sadhak.

I am not a member of SRF. It does not matter either. One must practice according to what HIS OWN guru says. Discussing fine points of kriya on a public board is against the teachings of Lahiri Baba. It leads to comparisons and doubt.

Yoganandaji did not initiate 100,000 people in kriyasadhana. I doubt He even lectured to that many. In fact, if You read His material it is obvious that He had an "inner circle", such as St Lynn, Premanandaji, Dr Lewis and many others. I would say Yoganandaji probably had no more than 40 or so CLOSE disciples. This is a serious truth.

When i was a young man i took SRF lessons. But not kriya. I am not classified as a "disciple" by SRF as that only comes at the Guru-pledge when one takes kriya. Do you know about the Guru pledge? Yoganandaji used to make his students promise several things. Only then would He give kriya. See? Only the sincere devotees would be accepted as disciples.

Does it matter how many yogis i have met? What worth is that? One must only be concerned with kriya and deepening that absorption and bliss. Do you think a man becomes a saint by meeting saints only?

You say you have been to the secret "inner circles" in Bengal. I don't really care too much. Look, all that matters is correct practice of kriya. We were talking about sailendra sharma. Not about our travels to India.

You asked a question which i will try to answer:

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One question I have for you.Which is a greater Yogi, the one who has 4th 5th 6th kriyas etc from the "original tradition"..and has raised his tongue till it goes no more,and is still struggling to overcome duality or the one who has only the first kriya and has GOD?<

No. You really don't understand about kriya at all. All can be achieved by first kriya alone. Yes, this is true. Brinda Bhagat of Lahiri Baba lineage is perfect example.
To advance to higher kriyas there are certain "requirements". The great one who has reached to the lofty stages of the higher kriyas WILL have God. It is like asking "what is colder? Frozen water or ice?". See? It doesn't make sense.

Swami Maharaj Sriyukteshvar said that the greatness of a kriya yogi can be determined only by the depth of his bliss in meditation. All this theory and fancy talk is just dust.

Kriya is a vast science. It is an EXPERIENTIAL science. The only way to know is to experience. All this theory is nothing more than dust.

Shailendra sharma is nothing more than a fraud, and i can guarantee that.

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