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Date Posted: 04:49:02pm 12/12/05 Mon,
Author: Frank F
Subject: Re: Thank You cmaynstag
In reply to: Frank F 's message, "Re: Thank You cmaynstag" on 04:08:09pm 12/12/05 Mon,

Stagman: Ive been following this team as a fan for 35 years+ .... throughout most of those years, this has been a losing team. So I don't have to take a backseat to you as a fan in any regard. I am tired of the losing. I am tired of poor recruiting and coaching. Sorry if I am not as positive as you would like. I really feel that it is people like you - that settle for medicore or less than medicore basketball - that have played a large role in keeping this program minor league.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Thank You cmaynstag -- Stagman, 05:08:13pm 12/12/05 Mon, [1]

I've been following the program for 33 years, and TOT's record is a heck of a lot better than Cormier, Buonaguro and O'Connor's. You've got to give him some credit for making some improvements. You guys don't give him an ounce of credit though.

Year in and year out he has played a tough OOC schedule. Would you rather that he play Bridgeport, Sacred Heart and New Hampshire? If he did, he would probably have averaged 20 wins a year over the last three years. He has put the team consistently near the top of the league recently.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that he has done a superlative job. But he isn't nearly as bad as you guys make him out to be. He's a far better coach than a few years ago. He has brought in some quality big men but now that he doesn't have as many ... the Stags are like the rest of the MAAC and will likely finish out of the top three for the first time in a while. Is that reason to jump ship? Did you forget the 53 wins over the last three seasons? When is the last time this program won that many games? What am I missing?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: wow, misery loves company :) -- FUAlum, 05:35:58pm 12/12/05 Mon, [1]

Wah wah, stop crying Frank F, you and cmaynstag go have a pity party somewhere. Don't tell me you honestly thought we'd beat Georgetown, get real. Who do you think we are, Duke?? But the team played its guts out despite being thoroughly outmanned, and I'm sorry but that's all you can ask for right now, and I'm proud of the effort. Unless the Duke Blue Devil's entire front line is planning to transfer here for the 2nd semester, this is what we are, a small team, so get used to it.

I'm just glad we finally got G'Town to give us a game, and even more thrilled they're apparently coming to Harbor Yards soon. And unlike you, I'll actually go and enjoy it!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Frank F and his comments -- cmaynstag, 09:52:02am 12/13/05 Tue, [1]

Guys, why are we kicking Frank off?? He didn't swear or attack anyone? He is just more critical of the program and its current state. If you are happy just having a game aginst Georgetown or winning 15 games in an avg. MAAC, then I disagree with your thoughts as well.

Pity Party??? No, I try to support the team but felt everyone from our ticket office to the coaches looked like second class citizens with this Gtown debacle. I have been attending games for years and proud that we had Darren Phillips, Deng, Greg Francis, etc. help put us on the map...but I would like to stay there and not be the #258 ranked team in the country. See where I am coming from?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thank you Stagman -- JoeStag, 05:57:39pm 12/12/05 Mon, [1]

"throughout most of those years, this has been a losing team"

Frank, Yes we have had a lot of losing seasons in the last 25 (not 33). But not the last 3, and very few MAAC losing seasons under TOT.... incase you did not notice. Yes, we still need to improve and reach the ultimate goal of a MAAC Championship and NCAA berth.

Your tired of losing because of poor recruiting and poor coaching...... and you imply that you are a better fan because you are tired of losing, than and others that are settling for mediocrity and they are the problems with the program. I don't think so. Hey, I can set the goal that Fairfield should win the NCAA Championship every year.... does that make me a better fan, does demanding an NCAA Championship mean we will get there any faster????

BTW nobody probably demands more of the program than TOT. I doubt that many of you out there would schedule a tough schedule like he has with your job on the line. What did everyone expect how we would do vs G-town without Maxwell and MOS. Be realistic.

And how can we have both poor recruiting and poor coaching and still finish in the top 3 in the MAAC the 3 last years. We have got to be doing something right.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Thank You cmaynstag -- Frank F, 06:14:49pm 12/12/05 Mon, [1]

Despitely modestly good years in 2 of the last 3 (do you think 15-15 with an NPA quality Big Man is a good year?),
I'd like to remind you there are no MAAC championships, no NCAA games. Not one significant win.
Do you think programs like Villanova, or BC or Providence got to where they are by finding the 'silver lining' in a 1-6 team? (Did you note that Central CT beat St Francis by 15 at St. Francis, while Providence and Iowa haven't won a game since they beat us?)Our schedule has NOT been that tough.
Where are those of you that were predicting a winning season this year? Why are you wrong year after year with your predictions?
This club is awful. The coach and coaching staff could have seen these problems 12-18 months before now (like a few of us did) and did nothing about it.
Many of the people who were critical of this program no longer post here ... They have become indifferent. I still care, although- I must admit- not as much as I used to.
Somebody around here (the Athletic Director...yea, the AD) has got to start demanding some excellence in this basketball program. Maybe someday, going to AHY will be an exciting experience. Right now, its a dreadful one.

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