forum -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:19:50 [1]
If there is any fencesitting on this forum it isn't yours truly. My willingness to take someone to task for making a plainly treasonous remark sure doesn't look like fencesitting to any reasonable soul. And I don't know of many who I haven't disagreed with at some time or another on here. If I think someone is wrong I will certainly not set on the fence and cry me too. And I will never call anyone names who gives me the same consideration.
Voice -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:09:16 [1]
RE: "The first president to host an official White House Hanukkah party, and the first to actually light a menorah in the White House residence, was George W. Bush, beginning in both cases in 2001…The annual Hanukkah party also underscored Bush’s deepening bonds with Orthodox Jews, the Jewish religious stream most sympathetic to his 'faith-based' agenda. Hasidic leaders in distinctive garb regularly appeared at these parties, and beginning in 2005 (after an embarrassment in 2004 when kosher and non-kosher foods were mixed up), the parties became completely kosher."
We don't have an officuial national religion in this country. The US Constitution forbids it. If you doubt that read the First Amendment. That being the case you are full of shit as usual with you complaints about celebrating Hanukkah in the White House. But then, what can I expect from an anti-Jewish bigot?
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Jim from KFC -- prraaawwwk prraaaawwwk puk puk pugaaaawwk, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:15:49 [1]
If not for the blatant TREASON being exhibited by Congress and the rotten son of a bitch obama communist, you would have no problem with Gus. Try thinking about that. Root causes and the chains they grow.
RoadKing -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:14:10 [1]
RE: "It's a typical tactic designed to make the reasonable side of the debate appear to be unreasonable. It doesn't work, of course. And it only makes the voiceless one show his true colors, that of a sniveling coward who throws hate filled word bombs and then hides behind a contrived wall of moral superiority."
Thank you my friend. Sometimes I feel like John the Baptist, the cousin of our Lord and Savior. A lonely voice "crying in the wilderness."
Roadking -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:13:16 [1]
From now on when I read about you remarking that words have meanings I will have a good laugh and remind you it is all about context or the ability to read minds via the internet. Which applies to you?
Jim from KFC -- prraaawwwk prraaaawwwk puk puk pugaaaawwk, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:11:44 [1]
What's your problem fence sitter? You have a problem with Gus, but you have no problem with the blatant TREASON being committed by Congress and the rotten son of a bitch obama communist. You don't make sense.
Roadking -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:10:47 [1]
I have to agree that any thoughtful person would have some doubts about whether he was in the right party or not nowadays. I was a Democrat up until JFK. But I felt the Democrat party left me and the Republican party supported my positions better. I was against most of the Civil Rights movements such as forced bussing and allowing judges to legislate from the bench. But the one thing I have always been uncomfortable with is the Republicans ties to big money and big business and against working men and women. I realize that i usually vote against my own interests in a financial way by voting for a Republican, but when I factor in abortion, gay rights and reverse discrimination that Democrats support I figure that I will make that sacrifice, and have for a long time, but I have always been man enough to let my feelings be known that I think the only thing keeping republicans from long term govt. control is reaching out to labor.
GerryB, Re: "you know I'm right" -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:10:15 [1]
That's a sure sign of a personality which cannot admit to error....kinda like Gene and Bob. An interesting condition for a RINO isn't it?
GerryB -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 21:00:10 [1]
It's a typical tactic designed to make the reasonable side of the debate appear to be unreasonable. It doesn't work, of course. And it only makes the voiceless one show his true colors, that of a sniveling coward who throws hate filled word bombs and then hides behind a contrived wall of moral superiority.
Pirate....in already caught up mode -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 20:50:44 [1]
PIRATE: subtract me and voters like me and republicans lose (true, I haven't voted republican in quite a while, obviously other are catching up)
RK: And as long as they continue down the "progressive lite" path, they'll be the "loyal opposition" without a say in the government because their conservative base will stay away in droves. The funny thing about it is that fools like KC Jim blame the very people who can turn the nation around. It seems that Jim is more like the people he says he hates (the Soetoro regieme) than the conservatives that form the power base of the party. Basically speaking, Jim is in the wrong party to begin with. He would be much more comfortable in the democratic party of LBJ, or "Scoop" Jackson.
Voice -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 20:48:43 [1]
RE: "I just don't understand why you posters want to attack each other so hatefully and so much. It seems to be your primary purpose in participating on this forum."
If you don't like what is being posted here just go somewhere else and post you anti-Jewish hate stuff.
Rick, how many times does the fact that words mean something before you guys understand that they actually do. -- a Pirate, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 20:44:22 [1]
Jim, did you read my post re: "CONTEXT"?
Gus's statement taken in context rings fine by me. I wouldn't worry about Gus until he starts posting the Code Pink crap HCPFPM,Genejane, and others have posted over the years Bush was in office , if ever there was "aid and comfort" to the enemy, that was it.
I think you were here right after 911 ( actually a year + after 911) I and many others here were against going into Iraq, but when boots were there,I shut the hell up, we'd lost the debate , congress offered it's bullshit "authorization" and we were fighting.
The demoncRATs in that congress were lying, they almost immediately started causing hardship ( they were for it, before they were against it) That phrase ring a bell? THEY USED DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS TO GET ELECTED, they claimed they were STAMPEDED...How does one stampede cats?
Fast forward to now..Now we got Soldiers being trashed for being "rough" with a known terrorist, we got a Mulatto boy dithering while boots are on the ground IN THE WAR HE CLAIMED WAS THE "REAL" WAR. I can't fault Gus's opinion on this for so many reasons , but the ones I listed are more than enough.
Jim frm KC -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 20:37:25 [1]
KC: Gus knew just what he was saying and he couldn't have made it any plainer.
RK: That's true. Too bad you're unable to understand the meaning of what he said.
KC: But you know I am right and so does Roadking.
RK: Please do not assume to speak for me when you do NOT know what you're talking about. You're only embarassing yourself by doing so.
KC: Is there anyone or anything about this country he doesn't hate?
RK: Again, you don't understand and misconstrue. Rejection of your "progressive lite" thinking is not hate, its common sense. Rejection of the current regieme is also common sense. Try to think for a change instead of regurgitating talking points.
Pirate -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 20:12:33 [1]
Rick, how many times does the fact that words mean something before you guys understand that they actually do. Gus knew just what he was saying and he couldn't have made it any plainer. Now you and Roadking can make fools of yourself trying to make the words mean something that they don't, or you can keep trying to demean me by insults. But you know I am right and so does Roadking. Do you guys need to carry a pissant's water for them? Are you afraid to admit to a little patriotism? No matter what, this is our country and we need to get out and work to get rid of the ass holes who are in control, but if the opposition to Obama is as silly and moronic as Gus I can't see any reason to change. Is there anyone or anything about this country he doesn't hate?
Nicely put. Although it appears the message falls on deaf ears. -- a Pirate, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 19:35:07 [1]
Heck, it's not even a full on message, I just did the math....subtract me and voters like me and republicans lose (true, I haven't voted republican in quite a while, obviously other are catching up)
Pirate -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 18:57:43 [1]
Nicely put. Although it appears the message falls on deaf ears. It's hard to convince a RINO (Jim frm KC) that his small portion of the party is responsible for losing the last election.
Tonight, as Hannukah candles are lit, we post a piece by Tom Piatak on whether Hanukkah is a deep-structure effort to upstage Christmas. ...
Particularly significantly in the light of Tom’s article, Sarna notes:
“The first president to host an official White House Hanukkah party, and the first to actually light a menorah in the White House residence, was George W. Bush, beginning in both cases in 2001…The annual Hanukkah party also underscored Bush’s deepening bonds with Orthodox Jews, the Jewish religious stream most sympathetic to his “faith-based” agenda. Hasidic leaders in distinctive garb regularly appeared at these parties, and beginning in 2005 (after an embarrassment in 2004 when kosher and non-kosher foods were mixed up), the parties became completely kosher.
“Barack Obama is thus only the second president in history ever to hold a White House Hanukkah party.”
The terrible time that Obama is having about how many invitations have been issued to his Hanukkah party is quite enough to make anyone feels sorry for him.
Ever since they let so-called neo conservatives and libertarians into the tent -- a Pirate, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 18:54:01 [1]
Jim , you may not have noticed, we left that tent just prior to the last election, you remember, the election George Bush didn't run in but McCainiac did run in... You can thank Sarah Palin for taking the worst of the sting of defeat out of that horrendous loss :-)
pay attention Gene -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 17:49:40 [1]
GENE: WORDS MEAN THINGS. Yes they do my friend. And your buddy suggested he was ready and willing to harbor a deserter and to boot the little scumbag called the country you defended a "shithole".
RK: This subject has already been discussed in detail, and the context of the conversation is understood AND AGREED WITH. Scroll back a ways and re-read what the adults here have already talked about. It's called CONTEXT and it's something you've NEVER picked up on.
Note: The current regieme IS turning this country into a shithole thanks to the idiots who believed his lies and voted him in to office. Current company included.
“We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it.” —Ariel Sharon, Oct. 3, 2001.
Yes, folks they do! The Israelis manifest their control over America through a series of powerful lobbies. Yes, a series, hundreds of them, all under the umbrella of the parent organization known as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). No one ever told you this? ...
11. Upon sentencing, Pollard’s wife said, “My husband and I did what we were expected to do for Israel. As Jews, we had a moral obligation to Israel.” Allegiance to Israel, not America! (I get sick reporting this to you, and you should be getting sick as well.)
pay attention RoadKing -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 17:28:03 [1] RK: Once again. Read and learn. NOBODY HAS COMMITTED TREASON HERE. WORDS MEAN THINGS.
Yes they do my friend. And your buddy suggested he was ready and willing to harbor a deserter and to boot the little scumbag called the country you defended a “shithole”.
It’s called “intent” and hopefully somebody is picking up on it.
Forum -- Voice, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 17:26:50 [1]
YNET Jewish lobby wages war on Christmas trees:
Lobby for Jewish values passes out fliers against hotels, restaurants putting up Christmas trees, other Christian symbols ahead of civil New Year, say businesses who do so risk losing kosher certification.
A new front for religious battles: Hotels and restaurants. The "Lobby for Jewish values" this week began operating against restaurants and hotels that plan to put up Christmas trees and other Christian symbols ahead of Christmas and the civil New Year.
According to the lobby's Chairman, Ofer Cohen, they have received backing by the rabbis, "and we are even considering publishing the names of the businesses that put up Christian symbols ahead of the Christian holiday and call for a boycott against them."
Fliers and ads distributed among the public read, "The people of Israel have given their soul over the years in order to maintain the values of the Torah of Israel and the Jewish identity.
"You should also continue to follow this path of the Jewish people's tradition and not give in to the clownish atmosphere of the end of the civil year. And certainly not help those businesses that sell or put up the foolish symbols of Christianity."
Pre 9-1-1 -- RSQUARED, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 17:21:12 [1]
was the period when liberals were busy disarming the airline companies and passengers WHICH it what made killing 3,000 with box knives possible.
The reason is obvious and increasingly well known: Obama detests White European Christians - including Americans of that stock. Steve Sailer reports in Chapter 11 of America’s Half Blood Prince:
Obama’s first trip to Kenya (apparently in 1988, before he
started at Harvard Law School) got off to an angry start, what with all the white people he kept running into.
Initially, he stopped off for his three-week tour of the
wonders of Europe that left him psychologically devastated
because, “It just wasn’t mine.”
Kev, you are a great American -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 17:08:32 [1] but what about pre-9-11 when we could have stopped 9-11 from happening
Probably polishing our cowboy boots and hosting the “experts” from ENRON..
Forum -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 16:57:36 [1]
It takes eight years, and the opinion of a retired soldier to make the voiceless one realize what Rush Limbaugh has been saying all along. Osama bin Lauden has been dead since the attack on Tora Bora.
And even if the little goat sucker is still alive, he has been defeated (well, up until recently...no doubt Al Quaida is taking advantage of the change of management to make good on it's loses and re-group).
Conservative commentator, former Marine Colonel Bob Pappas has been saying for years that bin Laden died at Tora Bora and that Senator Kerry's claim that bin Laden escaped with Bush help was a lie. Now we know that Pappas was correct. The embarassment of having Secretary of State Clinton talk about bin Laden in Pakistan was horrific. He has been dead since December 13, 2001 and now, finally, everyone, Obama, McChrystal, Cheney, everyone who isn't nuts is finally saying what they have known for years.
Groups of bicycle-riding vigilantes have been repainting 14 blocks of Williamsburg roadways ever since the city sandblasted their bike lanes away last week at the request of the Hasidic community.
The Hasids, who have long had a huge enclave in the now-artist-haven neighborhood, had complained that the Bedford Avenue bike paths posed both a safety and religious hazard.
Scantily clad hipster cyclists attracted to the Brooklyn neighborhood made it difficult, the Hasids said, to obey religious laws forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex in various states of undress. These riders also were disobeying the traffic laws, they complained.
LONDON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Former British prime minister Tony Blair believes it was right to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power even though no weapons of mass destruction were ever found.
"I would still have thought it right to remove him," Blair told an interviewer for the BBC, when asked if he would have joined in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 if he'd known Saddam had no such weapons.
"Obviously you would have had to use and deploy different arguments, about the nature of the threat," he added in the interview for the "Fern Britton Meets..." show, a transcript of which was made available ahead of its broadcast on Sunday.
Forum -- Voice, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 16:19:42 [1]
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I just don't understand why you posters want to attack each other so hatefully and so much. It seems to be your primary purpose in participating on this forum.
All wars -- dribble, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 15:31:02 [1]
All wars start at the political level and escalate to violence then are ended when one party cannot deny the conclusion and start the political process to avoid total defeat.
Do our leaders understand this?
I wonder sometimes after I listen or read the fools debate.
I would like to see a swift conclusion based on a position of strength and full understanding by all the consequences of testing this nations resolve.
Is it too much to ask of ourselves this?
Is it what these fine young men and women expect after they sacrificed so much?
If you asked any of them, what would you expect them to say?
Jim frm KC -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 15:25:12 [1]
KC: harboring a deserter is treason.
RK: Once again. Read and learn. NOBODY HAS COMMITTED TREASON HERE. WORDS MEAN THINGS. And you are acting like a nervous little girl with your hysterical claims.
Gene, in military ignorance mode -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 15:07:58 [1]
GENE: (necessitating the draft). Which I agree with BTW. I’m sure Road-dunce would argue with that, suggesting an overwhelming majority are Rebiblicant Palin supporters.
RK: Considering that you know nothing about the modern military (and very little about the old-time, pre-Vietnam military), your acceptance of an unneeded draft is understandible. The draft is a relic of a time when cannon fodder was the rule. Today's military is much more highly trained, and technology savy than the common grunt of even the Vietnam era. New technology coming into the field makes even the average infantry private a "technician" in his field. The draft is irrelevant, except to those fascists who which to employ slave labor.
GerryB -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 15:00:22 [1]
Geez, but you seem to be an imbecile. I never posted that crap, it is the forum moron who likes to post using other people's names. A question for you would be, How did you feel about the burning of draft cards and running to Canada during the Viet Nam years?
And how would you have felt if Gus had made the statement he made when you were serving your country in a war zone. By the way if you read my post to Robin, I suggested who ever posted that treason should be barred, not just the originator but whoever was repeating it with Gus's name. No one should have any doubt about the disgust i have for Obama and his crew, but the war on terror continues whoever is in the white house and the last thing we need is a political fight over whether we should fight it. We all know Obama will shag out of there as soon as it is politically possible.
so I figure the 3 bucks would be an unwise investment. -- SkyHawk, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 14:42:55 [1]
Then, , why don't you take the time that you spend posting and reading here and spend it turning a hand crank to generate your own electricity. That way, you save money on your electric bill til you slip on that banana peel and we don't have to listen to your socialist bullshit.
These are actually excellent questions. We all know that a lot of questions that are posted here are of the "gotcha" variety and that's all well and good. All's fair in love, war and politics.
However, these are excellent, straightforward and serious questions which have everything to do with whether one should look upon the effort as worth supporting or whether one should look upon it as fundamentally flawed and not worth supporting.
Also, taken along with this Administration's rules of engagement and mainstreaming terrorists into the U.S. legal system and trying them in New York City under criminal statutes, there are more than enough reasons for thinking Americans to seriously question whether the President should be supported in this regard.
Jim From KC -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 12:42:21 [1]
RE: "Yeah, but I've got one foot on a banana peel, and the other in the grave, so I figure the 3 bucks would be an unwise investment."
In other words you are too cheap to spend three bucks.
Forum -- Kevin L. Martin, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 12:38:26 [1]
I notice that our scumbag leftist friends love to talk about post 9-11 and where war should and should not have been fought, but what about pre-9-11 when we could have stopped 9-11 from happening?
No you scumbag love to kick the bodies of those military members who died in the military barracks in Saudi Arabia, the Marines who died in the embassies bombing in Africa and the Sailors killed on the U.S.S. Cole under the table because the unintelligent and racist Bill KKKlinton must be protected for getting involved in a conflict 1000 of miles away from the real target which made America no safer.
Liberal scumbags have no right to open their mouths as their scumbag leader used American resources in a forgettable corner of Europe as the real threat was planning a Pear=l Harbor type of attack and moving the resources here to conduct it.
D.F.1 -- Gus, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 12:12:04 [1]
Even you, drooling idiot that you are, realized you had to insert my name in your lying diatribe so your other fellow-idiots would know who you're talking about.
Oh, and your feigned patriotic outrage against treason fools no one. Everybody here with an IQ higher than yours (that would be everybody, with the possible exception of D.F.2 as his senility progresses) knows that you not only excuse, but enthusiastically support proud traitors who daily profane their sacred oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. You're just a stupid lying phony with a level of intellect/culture on a par with barnyard animals.
Jim from KC -- Gene™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 12:05:48 [1] I also supported the war in Iraq. I don't understand why anyone would want to go into Afganistan which is the most horrible place to fight a war when you can build up in Iraq where it is more favorable to our style of warfare and they will come to us there.
Jim, ”our kind of warfare” is no longer our and our father’s land based country against county conflict. Going to Iraq was like going to Honduras after December 7th. You are concerned about causalities but we had been going house to house (urban warfare) for years now. The most causality prone type of battle.
Granted Afghanistan is a horrible place to fight a war BUT that is where the killers are that would attack America again. That and the failed state of Pakistan we propped up during the last decade of nation building/democracy creation in the mid-east.
Fortunately, our technology and the army itself is lighter, much more mobile and is able to fight the war on terrorism on equel terms. We have been training for this for a very long time
Too bad we wasted all those lives and treasure in Iraq when the real battle/war on terrorists was 1000s of miles away. Many of the fighters were common Iraqis doing the very same thing we would have done if a foreign army parked itself outside our homes.
Jim from KC -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 11:44:12 [1] Don’t get too concerned. Some punks here do it all the time.
Gerry (and others here) have chosen to align themselves with a treasonous moron. The bottom feeder’s ranting and despicable comments are just further evidence of what has happened to the conservative ideal that Ronald Maximus once proudly stood for.
Given the poor little man’s rantings it’s just a matter of time until he puts a 1911 in his mouth a pulls the trigger. Living in a trailer park outside of Susanville on Socialist Security can’t be much fun especially after trick-le downs economics used him and threw him away. But bottom feeders like Gus always have been used and thrown away. I would probably be an angry little worm also. Just a matter of time
For 3 bucks, you can secure a screen name and then nobody can get away with posting as you. -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 11:43:37 [1]
Yeah, but I've got one foot on a banana peel, and the other in the grave, so I figure the 3 bucks would be an unwise investment.
ThomFaat -- Achilles, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 11:42:57 [1]
So, you don't agree with your fellow ring knocker, Senator McCain, that tax cuts in time of war make no sense, correct? The Bush family black sheep managed to almost double the public debt during his 8 years, and left office with the nation's economy spiraling downward, approaching the precipice of another Great Depression.
I don't recall your ever once noting that Bush's slight-of-hand funding for both wars was accomplished via "supplementals," meaning that war costs were not included in the yearly DoD budget request. This off-the-books funding received scant commentary in the allegedly liberal media, it should be noted. It was so routine that it became non-newsworthy, just as overruns in DOD weapons systems programs received little to no coverage, except in "comic books" such as National Defense magazine.
The American people have become so inured to sleaze and outright theft that the awards of sole-source, no-bid contracts to support US forces OCONUS are regarded as justified SOP. Rumsfeld accelerated the privatization of heretofore military functions, actually stating that American force deployments must be accompanied by private contractors. Such has been one result of an all-volunteer military.
I think I have the math and facts on my side of the argument. -- Gus, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 11:39:07 [1]
That statement is a perfect example of why you're such a self-righteous imbecile! The facts/math ARE NOT on your side of the argument you senile moron. The fact that you refer to yourself as a "conservative" is another sterling example of your boundless idiocy. So, are you dead yet?
ThomKaat -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 11:28:08 [1]
The correct question to ask would be if the debt went down. It makes no difference how much revenue comes in if the spending is going up on account of the war. I guess you could make an argument that if it hadn't been for the tax cuts and the increase in revenue that the debt would have been that much more, but it is problematic at best and just that, an argument. I just think that a tax reduction in a time of rising expences is a double whammy on the economy, but we will never know who is right because it is a done deal and history. I will always think I am right because of the debt and you will always think you are right because you are hypothesizeing. I think I have the math and facts on my side of the argument.
GerryB -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 10:43:25 [1]
Gerry, I didn't post that tripe, I would have thought that you could have known that by my following posts. That was probably the forum's resident moron who wishes cancer and death on fellow posters. You guys are sure anxious for supporters when you put up with a moron in your number.
KC Jim -- Gus, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:58:39 [1]
I'll be brief stupid:
1) Your recent posts contradict your earlier posts.
2) You're not a conservative.
3)Being accused of treason by the likes of you is a badge of honor I wear proudly.
4)While you cast judgements, you do so from the morally superior position of one who wished extreme physical harm to one who produced too much in a union shop.
Jim From KC -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:55:23 [1]
RE: "Gasp...I'm telling! Robin, Robin, ROBIN!!! Look what Gus posted! LOOKY, LOOKY AT WHAT GUS POSTED!!! Are you going to punish him Robin? If you wont, I'll get mommy to do it...sniffle, sniffle..."
ThomKaat -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:51:35 [1]
If you go back into the archives I am sure you can find several of my posts where I spoke out against spending under the Republicans. I was also against tax cuts while we were in the middle of a war on terror which was putting us farther and farther in debt. I consider both to be conservative positions. I also supported the war in Iraq. I don't understand why anyone would want to go into Afganistan which is the most horrible place to fight a war when you can build up in Iraq where it is more favorable to our style of warfare and they will come to us there. Another of my conservative ideas. Conserving lives of our troops being the most conservative thing I can think of.
Gus -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:37:45 [1]
One among other things I have never done is post under an alias or someone elses name. Unlike some I am rather proud of my name and have always tried to not besmirch it it any way. As for your nasty and insulting manner, I have never reported you or any one else, but when you speak treason it is an entirely different matter and all the mealy mouthing in the world won't change the fact that harboring a deserter is treason.
Jim from KC -- ThomKaat, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:30:03 [1]
”What if the republicans keep on this track until 2012 and he puts out all that stuff you guys are whining about in October before the election. He will win in a landslide cause nobody wants to vote for a bunch of fools. If that is all the ammo you guys have, you are playing with blanks.”
Aren’t you the one who constantly posts that we must support the Republicraps?
Judging by the first six years of former President Bush’s term when Republicraps controlled everything I see no reason to support a party of massive spending leftists.
You do.
Who’s the real fool?
Oh wait, you’ll be dead before the bill from the Republicraps and Democraps comes due so your kids and grandkids will pay it but – HEY – you got yours!
Tell us again about how greedy some people are but look in the mirror while you’re doing so.
Gus -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:27:38 [1]
Gus, you are an embarrassment to the human race. And those who support your totally off the wall remarks are just gullible fools and no better than the socialists they claim to hate. I have been on both sides and chose the conservative side because once upon a time they didn't take any group of people under their umbrella who were either devients or malcontents and were pragmatists in their approach to governing. Ever since they let so-called neo conservatives and libertarians into the tent they have been approaching the liberal socialists in behavior that is reprehensible and people like you and others who support you are why we are in the position we are in today.
Robin -- Jim from KC, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 9:24:50 [1]
Gasp...I'm telling! Robin, Robin, ROBIN!!! Look what Gus posted! LOOKY, LOOKY AT WHAT GUS POSTED!!! Are you going to punish him Robin? If you wont, I'll get mommy to do it...sniffle, sniffle...
KC Jim -- Gus, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 8:58:49 [1]
Yeah, I made the post about the deserters which was specifically addressed to the Navy Seals that are being court martialed for punching an islamo scum-bag in the mouth. Gene, AKA Dumb-fuck has been re-posting it over and over again. Apparently, you and you union-brother Gene don't think the unwarranted harrasment/persecution of our soldiers an act of treason, which doesn't surprise me, dumb-fucks that you both are.
It's been said that senility is your second childhood, so I'm not surprised by your sissy tattle-tale attitude of old surfacing again demanding that I be reported to the "teacher", and made to sit in the corner. Why don't you tell Robin yourself? Report me to the teacher, and get a gold star. You pathetic senile simpleton bastard!
Forum -- Voice, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 8:53:45 [1]
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Taki Theodoracopulos Tiger’s Tail:
Tiger Woods is known for his swearing and whining, his foul-mouthed tantrums on the course, and his constant claims that he had suffered prejudice because of his race. He’s no hero to those who know him.
Shouldn't we be trying to take out as many terrorists as we possibly can be? -- a Pirate, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 8:27:01 [1]
If we were at war, yes..we are not at war,we're at police actions,we must assure they've been read their rights.get public funded trials and get the proper diet for their religious beliefs.
Murray -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 7:19:24 [1]
RE: "Would you advise a young person, a loved one, to enlist in today's Army or would you advise against it?
Why or why not?"
I would advise against it. I believe that lives are being sacrificed for nothing worth while.
Murray -- Gerryb, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 6:52:01 [1]
RE: "By putting quotation marks around conservative, you are tacitly admitting your own faulty premise."
you morons -- Gene™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 6:16:08 [1] At least the Palin boy is now in the real war on terror, not some sham philosophical “democratization” that the neo-clown/socio-clod contrived in a 1998 fukus group.
If he does fall he will have done so defending America against future terrorist attacks, not some ill-contrived quasi conservative/religious sham that has accomplished 4,000+kia and 20,000+wia while neglecting to kill the real attackers of America @ 9-11 when THAT “conservative” CIC had the chance.
What is the hell is the matter with you morons?? You enjoy being on the wrong side of history/reality??
RoadKing -- Gene™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 5:59:59 [1] I know you don't think much of Palin, but imagine what she's going through with her son being in combat in Iraq right now??
Unlike those here she does have that 1 redeeming quality. She probably suggested it was his patriotic duty. A long time ago a bunch of us took that duty very seriously.
Murray -- Gene™, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 5:57:07 [1] A very sad commentary yesterday by the “supposedly” red blooded flag waving Americans here. 1 on out and out traitor (who would harbor deserters) and the others just typical whining con-servatives. Imagine picking your CIC; automatically reducing the armed forces by about 50% (the demographic elections are won and lost) AND the mission. (necessitating the draft). Which I agree with BTW. I’m sure Road-dunce would argue with that, suggesting an overwhelming majority are Rebiblicant Palin supporters.
Murray -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 5:13:39 [1]
I know you don't think much of Palin, but imagine what she's going through with her son being in combat in Iraq right now??
no matter how big an asshole your commanding officer is, you don't fail to salute him -- Murray, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 5:11:17 [1]
That's true of course.
But a young man you care about who's not in the military should be counseled to stay out if the people running it don't run things in such a way as to warrant risking his life.
Jim frm KC -- Roadking, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 5:00:29 [1]
KC: I would have thought that you had learned that no matter how big an asshole your commanding officer is, you don't fail to salute him. In other words you are saluting the position and not the man himself. The same goes for the Commander in Chief.
RK: You are stating the obvious, but that is NOT the matter at hand here. Yes, the same does go for the c-in-c UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. As has been stated before, these are NOT normal conditions when military officers openly question the legality of the orders to deploy...when the Constitutional qualifications for office of your c-in-c are in question (and cannot be verified).
KC: I am sure there were lot's of people who wore the uniform that didn't like Reagan. So it all comes down as to who's ox is being gored doesn't it.
RK: But you'd be dead wrong...military folks tend to be conservatives, and Reagan was VERY popular with us military folk.
a Pirate -- Socialism IS dying, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 3:15:19 [1]
"Dang, I thought the socialshits knew everything"
Nah, look at them, they can't even wipe their asses. Caught RED-HANDED lying again, what do they do? They lie some more without any attempt to clean up previous lies.
Therein lies the crux of the problem, socialist inbred lying, socialists don't leave home without it.
Achilles, global warming exponent -- Socialism IS dying, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 3:06:49 [1]
Now wouldn't a little global warming be welcome in the USA (*USSR*) right now. Not the non-existent man-made phony data global warming, but real warming.
ATTENTION: Global Warming is man-made, completely made up by socialist "scientists" using phony data. Yet you absorb that data as if it were the truth, like a sponge. Oh, say, you wouldn't be that Sponge Bob fella would you?
Gene, lever stroker -- Socialism IS dying, Fri, Dec 11 2009, 3:00:39 [1]
When will you post something that is profound? As opposed to the profoundly drivelized drivel that drizzles from your drooling tongue on a daily basis. I do not think you were always so senseless.
Forum -- Voice, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 22:38:51 [1]
Brenda Walker Dutch Diversity Deletes Christmas - War Against Christmas:
Multicultural immigration is not friendly to Christian traditions in Europe, as this item from the Netherlands indicates.
School ‘Too Diverse’ for Christmas Tree, NIS News Bulletin, December 12, 2009
THE HAGUE, 09/12/09 - The Haagsche Hogeschool college will not put up a Christmas tree this year because it does not want to cause provocation to immigrant students. The tree is too closely linked with Christianity, according to the school management.
Traditionally, a meters-high tree always stood in the school’s atrium. Now there are only some streamers and fairy lights hanging there. Management wants to “stress the international character and the diversity within the school” by this move. The school is opting for “light and heat,” which can be enjoyed by everyone in his or her own manner, according to the management.
The college has 20,000 students. Thirty percent are of immigrant origin, as are 12 percent of the teachers. Many pupils expressed fury on the Internet about the decision not to put up a tree this year. “Because a handful of religious good-for-nothings take offence about a tree with some lights and coloured balls, the rest of the school community has to suffer,” complained one pupil.
Gene -- Socialism IS dying, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 22:33:07 [1]
"GENE: Interesting point considering President Obama has been very careful to fully understand the real war on terrorists and the idiotic ramifications of the last 8 years under a numbnut who couldn’t even spell Iraq and had a council of Raygone traitors lead him (and America) off on some nation building non-sense."
Like obama(a communist) and Cliton(a socialist), Bush understood the war on America, and he didn't wage it as hard as the two lefties. Why must you post in a manner that proves your idiocy?
Voice -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:48:55 [1]
RE: "Say you are a patriotic citizen of China. In 1949 China falls to the Communists. Do you, then, remain a patriotic citizen of China?"
Of course they did. Most Chinese citizens are too poor to get over the border. They must stay where they have lived their whole lives. Do you change your politics and citizenship just because the Government changes?
a pirate -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:44:05 [1]
RE: "Soldiers are not respected by demoncRATs in general and even less so with the trash we got in the whitehouse now."
AMEN!! I agree completely. I retired just before Bill Clinton wass elected. When I saw what we were getting for a President I was very glad that I got out when I did. I have friends who are still in. Many of them are in the combat zones right now. We keep in touch and they tell me the same thing. "Be glad that you are not here." I thank God every day for that fact.
Roadking -- Jim from KC, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:43:48 [1]
You seem to have learned very little from your years of service. I would have thought that you had learned that no matter how big an asshole your commanding officer is, you don't fail to salute him. In other words you are saluting the position and not the man himself. The same goes for the Commander in Chief. You don't have to respect or like him, but you do have to salute him and defer to his orders. I am sure there were lot's of people who wore the uniform that didn't like Reagan, and you would be highly pissed if someone had made a remark like gus made then. So it all comes down as to who's ox is being gored doesn't it. I happen to believe that the military, especially now that it is a voluntary force, should do their duty that they signed up and took an oath for and to keep their politicks out of it. They have the same vote that we do and certainly ought to vote, but do their duty otherwise.
Forum -- Voice, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:39:22 [1]
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Say you are a patriotic citizen of China. In 1949 China falls to the Communists. Do you, then, remain a patriotic citizen of China?
Gus -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:31:25 [1]
RE: "Merry Christmas. Sorry I took so long to respond, but I'm in and out of here."
I understand. I was gone most of today helping my daughter and son-in-law with a problem they had. I also got to spend some time driving around with their two young sons in the car. It was much better than being called names by Gene or BobJ.
Who will it benefit the most -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:18:05 [1]
RE: "Who will it benefit the most if Christianity expands rapidly in China?"
The Chinese people. Biblical Chritianity is spreading very rapidly in China right now. Estimates are that there are several million Bible believing Christians in China right this moment. Repression by the Chinese Government makes it impossible to obtain an accurate figure. The Bible believing Christians are not allowed to worship openly as they are here. They must worship in so-called house Churches, hiding from the Government. As more and more people become Bible believing Christians they will be more able to be open in their worship. Praise God.
Jim frm KC -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:17:13 [1]
KC: When they work to undermine that war either thru armed insurrection or thru any other means the word is treason that describes it and you can't mealy mouth around and make it something else.
RK: Jim, you need to know that words mean things. Treason within the Constitution is either giving aid and comfort to the enemy (denying Soetoro your services is not aiding or abetting) or declaring war against the country. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass again.
KC: As for Obama's citizenship. Think about it this way. What if the republicans keep on this track until 2012 and he puts out all that stuff you guys are whining about in October before the election. He will win in a landslide cause nobody wants to vote for a bunch of fools. If that is all the ammo you guys have, you are playing with blanks.
RK: Interesting point, but moot since all of this has been put before the public and a good amount of the public believes Soetoro is hiding something that would be of import to the public. Is he a legal native American? Nobody knows, and a lot of people want to know what he's hiding. Oh, and as you well know, that just a tiny bit of the ammo against Soetoro. Now go play with your progressive lite losers and let the big boys talk.
I would be very upset if he was not permitted to post his opinion here. -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:13:27 [1]
Hea Hea! if we can read HCPFPM, Gus is a pleasure.
Lately, I have written several articles for our local newspaper, and because of the subject matter of these writings, I have been involved in much debate about "patriotism." Believe me, it is a frustrating argument and one that gains little reward. When I attempt to define patriotism as I see it, those who think in terms of "it’s my country (government) good or bad," and who blindly support any government policy deemed for the good of the nation as a whole or good for national defense, normally become belligerent. I usually come away from these encounters confused and troubled. Of course I get the expected rhetoric, this from both sides of the isle, that I am a hater of America, am unpatriotic, and a supporter of the terrorists. I have even been asked to leave the U.S., (love it or leave it) or more explicitly, to go to Afghanistan or Iraq where I belong. One local state house representative even accused me of being a hired writer for Osama bin Laden. Wow, imagine that? I guess my belief that Muslims are also human was more than he could tolerate.
The bottom line of this nonsense begs the question: "What is patriotism? If one looks to Webster’s for a definition, the answer would be "a person who loves his country and defends and promotes its interests." I find this definition too broad, too modern, and completely unacceptable; in other words, incorrect. First, a love of country cannot and does not mean a love of state or a love of government. It does not mean agreeing with anything and everything that the state does outside of protecting the inherent rights of individuals. Actually, self-interest, not collectivism, is the basis of liberty. Secondly, defending and promoting the country’s interests could only be proper given that in doing so, no individual or group of individual’s rights are violated in any manner. This would include the rights of any and all people on earth, not just those domiciled in America. So, with this in mind, it should become clear to most that patriotism has more to do with dissent and criticism of the state than it has to do with anything else. ...
For the most part today, those like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly and other neo-cons, as well as many conservative Republicans and Democrats think patriotism is blindly supporting the killing, maiming, displacing and destroying of any and all who stand in the way of U.S. hegemony. Now, with Obama not only continuing but advancing the Bush Doctrine, the Democrats and "liberal" Obama-supporters will be forced to go along with this evil behavior or will have to break away from their beloved president and "savior." My hope (not expectation) is that the latter wins out.
The realization that patriotism has to do with resisting state power, not supporting it, will only take root when the many decide not to be serfs swearing allegiance to their sovereign, but instead decide to fight to be free!
Jim From KC -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 21:04:42 [1]
RE: "Has Gus denied making that post about deserters? If Robin is lurking, this is something that should be addressed. If Gus is making this kind of treasonous post he should be denied access to the forum, and if some other poster here is responsible they should be treated the same. It is an insult to everyone here when that kind of stuff is allowed."
No, he hasn't denied it. How could he. His name is on every post which he sends. He is not suggsting that anyone should declare war on the USA. He is merely stating his dislike for the policies which led us into this war. I wouldn't post that stuff but if Gus wants to do it, more power to him. He probably has more courage that either you or I do. I would be very upset if he was not permitted to post his opinion here.
you have to be pretty dense to not see that difference -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:58:47 [1]
I see the difference, I also see his statement in context of what the Mulatto boy WASN'T DOING, the useless turd dithered and men died. Fortunately for our soldiers,the Mulatto boy won't be in the fox hole next to them (their partner will actually have their back.)
When they work to undermine that war either thru armed insurrection or thru any other means the word is treason -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:53:33 [1]
Nah, that's not treason, Treason is not giving a rats ass what happens to SanFransissyco or be welling to lose them over an American city, just ask HCPFPM :-)
Your definition of treason would put the entire demoncRAT party on the chopping block( not a bad goal really)....
Pirate -- Jim from KC, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:51:09 [1]
Counseling someone whether to join or not does not fall under treason, but offering to hide a deserter is a whole different ball of wax and you have to be pretty dense to not see that difference. I would not counsel anyone to not join unless I was asked directly by someone I knew quite well, and then I would give them the pro's and con's and let them make up their own minds. Political administrations come and go and Obama may be a one termer and we might get a president that is willing to look at all sides of a question put to the joint chiefs and use good common sense to make a decision. So there is really no difference in joining the service now than at any other time. If a person wants to serve it is fine with me.
Rethinking Schools recently boasted of killing a social studies textbook series in the Milwaukee school system because it "failed to teach social responsibility." A Rethinking Schools guide on the September 11 jihadi attacks instructs teachers to "nurture student empathy" for our enemies and dissuade students from identifying as Americans. "It's our job to reach beyond this chauvinism." And a Rethinking Schools guide to early childhood education written by Ann Pelo disparages "a too-heavy focus on academic skills" in favor of "social justice and ecological teaching" for preschoolers.
Teaching for Change's objective, in Obama-esque fashion, is to train students not to achieve actual proficiency in core academic subjects, but to inspire them to "become active global citizens." Today's non-achieving aspirants are tomorrow's Nobel Peace Prize winners, after all.
No part of the school curriculum is immune from the social justice makeover crew. Zinn's partners at Rethinking Schools have even issued teaching guides to "Rethinking Mathematics: Teaching Social Justice by the Numbers"—which rejects the traditional white male patriarchal methods of teaching computation and statistics in favor of p.c.-ified number-crunching: ...
Our students will continue to come in dead last in international testing. But no worries. With Howard Zinn and Hollywood leftists in charge, empty-headed young global citizens will have heavier guilt, wider social consciences and more hatred for America than any other students in the world.
Roadking -- Jim from KC, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:38:36 [1]
There has never been any military action taken in this countries history where some segment of the populous has not been vehemently against it. When they work to undermine that war either thru armed insurrection or thru any other means the word is treason that describes it and you can't mealy mouth around and make it something else. As for Obama's citizenship. Think about it this way. What if the republicans keep on this track until 2012 and he puts out all that stuff you guys are whining about in October before the election. He will win in a landslide cause nobody wants to vote for a bunch of fools. If that is all the ammo you guys have, you are playing with blanks.
Among the failures of the Fed is the Great Depression. As Milton Friedman related in his Monetary History of the United States, for which he won a Nobel Prize for Economics, the Fed hugely expanded the money supply in the mid-to-late 1920s.
Following a path of least resistance, the money flowed into the equity markets, where stocks could be bought on 10 percent margin. The market soared, and a huge bubble was created. When it popped, scores of thousands of investors conducted a run on the banks to get their money out to meet their margin calls.
Thousands of banks, short on cash, closed. One-third of the money supply was wiped out, and the Fed failed to replenish the lost blood. Thus did the Fed cause the Great Depression.
Has Gus denied making that post about deserters? -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:19:15 [1]
He wrote the original, some here agree with him, I for one would not follow this "president" across the street, let alone send my kids to follow his "lead".
Genejane or the same keeps posting the post you disagree with over (I suspect to pull Gus's chain ).
Jim frm KC -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 20:16:48 [1]
KC: If Gus is making this kind of treasonous post he should be denied access to the forum,
RK: Such a post to support those who turn their backs on Soetoro's regieme cannot be, by definition, treasonous. Treason is the support of the enemy, or declaring war upon the U.S. and refusing to support an immoral regieme is neither.
KC: It is an insult to everyone here when that kind of stuff is allowed.
RK: Only to those who support the immoral regieme, or who do not understand the principles behind such actions.
KC: When you take an oath to serve, you do so with the knowledge that you follow all lawful orders, you don't pick and choose.
RK: And then you have to come to the realization that it's entirely possible that NONE of the orders coming from Soetoro are LEGAL.
forum -- Jim from KC, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 19:47:54 [1]
Has Gus denied making that post about deserters? If Robin is lurking, this is something that should be addressed. If Gus is making this kind of treasonous post he should be denied access to the forum, and if some other poster here is responsible they should be treated the same. It is an insult to everyone here when that kind of stuff is allowed. When you take an oath to serve, you do so with the knowledge that you follow all lawful orders, you don't pick and choose.
Interesting point considering President Obama has been very careful to fully understand the real war on terrorists -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 19:20:29 [1]
Understand the real war on terrorists?
Thank God we have young men and women in this country that will answer this country�s call to engage in the war on terrorists both abroad and here at home. -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 19:15:08 [1]
Certainly, Thank God.
Gus -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 18:57:10 [1]
A note of distinction concerning your comment about assisting deserters.
I do understand your meaning. But I would rather word it to include people who are deserting support of operations by this regieme, but who are NOT deserting the country they swore to protect and defend from all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC!!
Gene, in history illiteracy mode -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 18:52:24 [1]
GENE: Carter gave the rescue team everything they asked for AND was instrumental in supporting the rescue ops.
RK: Incorrect. Carter insisted unnecessary participants, and micromanaged the rescue effort from the beginning. He was a MAJOR reason why the effort failed.
GENE: Of course you did. They were disgruntled air farce poges like yourself who’s MOSs were discontinued/cut back and refused a lateral move (enlisting in another branch of service) when their particular MOS was discontinued..
RK: Thank you for demonstrating a blinding ignorance of how the military (and the Air Force) works. No AFSCs were discontinued or "cut back". The order was to curtail the number of years that certain enlisted ranks could service in the force. Many like myself were in AFSC's that were short handed already, but still lost experienced people who normally would have stayed for another three years. And I believe that once you are retired, one is not eligible to transfer to another branch of service...especially when ALL branches were suffering the same unnecessary cuts.
GENE: Interesting point considering President Obama has been very careful to fully understand the real war on terrorists and the idiotic ramifications of the last 8 years under a numbnut who couldn’t even spell Iraq and had a council of Raygone traitors lead him (and America) off on some nation building non-sense. .
RK: You really aren't hanging on to reality very well, Gene. President Soetoro has NO idea what he's doing in Ashcanistan, and has ripped the heart out of the military in the last year. Anyone who announces a troop increase and PULL OUT TIMEFRAME has NO idea of military tactics or organization. HE'S AN IDIOT!!
GENE: At least you aren’t a traitor to this country and would harbor deserters, both of which would fall under the UCMJ.
RK: On the contrary, I believe that I would HELP anyone who refuses to serve under a bogus c-in-c, depending on the circumstances. Soetoro has already demonstrated a distinct LACK of sense when it comes to the military...The decision to court-martial three SEALs for giving a terrorist a fat lip during the performance of their duties is an excellent example of his sense of justice toward the military. His ROE has the troops hamstrung, and his "no victory" goal in Ashcanistan is treason of the highest order.
The reaction to Tiger's preference exposes America's deep-seated racial hang-ups. Black and white people are equally troubled by Tiger's parade of Caucasian conquests. This unrest is fueling much of the media manipulation of and wallowing in this story.
RoadKing -- Gene™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:41:15 [1] Carter was utterly hated by the military, especially after the Iran hostage fiasco. Carter gave the rescue team everything they asked for AND was instrumental in supporting the rescue ops. Thru no fault of his did it fail. Interstingly enough Col. Olie North, Bush Sr. under sanctions of the committee to elect Raygone did everything in their power (including arms sales to the Iranians) to undercut Carter and elect Raygone.
Clinton was likewise despised, and I heard many a retiring NCO speak out to their fellow Airmen about Clinton in such a manner that they would have been brought up on charges of insubordination if they weren't retiring immediately. Of course you did. They were disgruntled air farce poges like yourself who’s MOSs were discontinued/cut back and refused a lateral move (enlisting in another branch of service) when their particular MOS was discontinued..
I would not have a child of mine enlisting in a military that is being deliberately hung out to dry by the current c-in-c.Interesting point considering President Obama has been very careful to fully understand the real war on terrorists and the idiotic ramifications of the last 8 years under a numbnut who couldn’t even spell Iraq and had a council of Raygone traitors lead him (and America) off on some nation building non-sense. . At least you aren’t a traitor to this country and would harbor deserters, both of which would fall under the UCMJ.
Roadking -- Gus, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:31:49 [1]
Your best friend sounds like a clone of me! I absolutely believe that to be a wise policy. Could you imagine being in a major urban location when the shit hits the fan? Those people are doomed, especially if they're unarmed as many of them are.
Gus -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:21:37 [1]
Frankly, I'm starting to lean slightly in the direction of my best friend who has pragmatically decided to just mind his own business, stock up on necessary items for survival, prepare for the worst, and just wait for the civil war to start. He figures that the tipping point has already been passed, and it's just a matter of time now.
Gus -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:17:50 [1]
I saw the way the military was treated under Carter, Clinton, and see the same arrogant disdain in Soetoro. Reagan and Bush I were the only bright spots during my career as they showed respect for the military, and used it effectively (Gene will of course point out the Lebanon mistake as the exception to the rule, but it WAS the exception).
Carter was utterly hated by the military, especially after the Iran hostage fiasco. Clinton was likewise despised, and I heard many a retiring NCO speak out to their fellow Airmen about Clinton in such a manner that they would have been brought up on charges of insubordination if they weren't retiring immediately. I would not have a child of mine enlisting in a military that is being deliberately hung out to dry by the current c-in-c.
Connie -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:09:38 [1]
Interesting story, if true. This means that the EU will devolve into a third world group of tyrannical nations (since there is no such thing as a democratic islamic nation) within 100 years. And the europeans will be a minority within their own nations.
Likewise, within 100 years the U.S. will be reverting to a third world oligarchy where people of true european stock are a minority in this country. In fact we already see that in many large (sanctuary) cities such as L.A. where large portions of Los Angeles strongly resemble cities on the other side of the border, and a native born American is not to be seen.
Dumb-Fuck -- Gus, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:06:53 [1] Thank God we have young men and women in this country that will answer this country’s call to engage in the war on terrorists both abroad and here at home.
As long as they're not too enthusiastic or thorough in doing so. Right Dumb-Fuck?
Pirate, Roadking -- Gus, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 17:04:56 [1]
I don't care how many times the dumb-fuck re-posts it. I said it, I'm not ashamed to say it, and I stand by it! You guys gave your sons good advice, the same advice I recently gave my future son-in-law, and any others I have influence with.
I experienced the stab-in-the-back throw-them-to-the-wolves official US policy way back in Viet Nam, and its only gotten worse...much worse.
Pretty sad commentary, gentlemen -- For the 1st time I am speechless here, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 16:53:39 [1]
Thank God we have young men and women in this country that will answer this country’s call to engage in the war on terrorists both abroad and here at home.
Forum -- Voice, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 16:47:49 [1]
And, here I thought it was the Democrats who supposedly started all the wars. Politico Conservative praise for Nobel speech:
President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech Thursday is drawing praise from some unlikely quarters – conservative Republicans – who likened Obama’s defense of “just wars” to the worldview of his predecessor, Republican George W. Bush.
It’s already being called the “Obama Doctrine” – a notion that foreign policy is a struggle of good and evil, that American exceptionalism has blunted the force of tyranny in the world, and that U.S. military can be a force for good and even harnessed to humanitarian ends.
“There will be times,” Obama said, “when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified.”
The remarks drew immediate praise from a host of conservatives, including former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Sadly,very Sadly -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 16:18:39 [1]
Happily , I don't have to actually make that case today, my sons have moved on and are well into their lives.. Ya know we point out the president, but seriously, if you knew you had HCPFPM types backing you up, would that give you enough reason to take a risk? wouldn't me, Those skanky MF's would and have left our men stranded before.
Roadking -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 15:48:47 [1]
I never joined, came damn close. But I see no reason to offer up my sons as cannon fodder to someone that has made clear he's not interested in winning, just slithering his way through..he can slither on the blood of another mans offspring. How many have we lost while he had is finger in the political wind ?
Jim from KC et al -- Connie, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 15:44:50 [1] Do you think that we would be flooded with illegals from Mexico if they didn't have an overpopulation problem. How about all the other countries around the world who are in constant turmoil, almost without fail they have more people than they can support. That is a fact that we ignore at our peril. If we don't control our borders we will soon be in the same fix. For your info and comments.
Pirate -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 15:35:42 [1]
Interesting point as I found myself talking at length with my niece's 17 year old son. He's like most in that he wants to do something with his life, and has thought about the military.
At Thanksgiving, I told him that I would kick his ass personally if he enlisted in any branch of the military right now. Thankfully, he's considering the Coast Guard right now which I believe will be a good choice.
Ya know Gus (Imposter) -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 14:49:02 [1]
I stopped my sons from joining up when Clinton was in and would make even a stronger case now that Mulatto boy is in. Soldiers are not respected by demoncRATs in general and even less so with the trash we got in the whitehouse now.
A Fox and Friends cohost -- Achilles, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 13:58:32 [1]
Gretchen Carlson plays the blond airhead spectacularly on Fox and Friends. One of here bits was fumbling with a dictionary to look up the word, "czar," which was then an "item" because Obama was being accused of appointing a brigade of them. She was feigning concern that she didn't know what the word meant.
Carlson graduated with Honors from Stanford University, in 1990, with a self-designed degree in the field of organizational behavior. While a student at Stanford, she studied abroad at Oxford University.
Note on the unneeded "one child policy" -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 13:40:27 [1]
Perhaps this fact is being hidden by those who would impose population controls on the whole of us. But it has been noted for some time that the developed western nations have at worst stabilized their populations at current levels. It is only the UN-DEVELOPED or UNDERDEVELOPED countries who are having a population problem due to their lack of production capabilities and overproduction of children. The main cause of population increase in the developed western countries is INVASION BY THE UNDEVELOPED and UNDERVELOPED countries who's governments have been too stupid and/or greedy to develope their own country's infrastructure and natural resources.
If the United States, and the EU were both to have stopped immigration 20 years ago we would be seeing either zero population growth or a slight REDUCTION in population...not that I'm saying that is a good thing. I'm merely specifying where the growth is coming from.
Jim from KC -- Achilles, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 13:26:10 [1]
Many years ago I posted some of the recorded history of how population pressures contributed to the demise of the Roman Empire and the resulting European catastrophe of The Dark Ages. The steppe people who were migratory tribes and whose warriors were excellent horsemen had so increased in population that the steppe grasslands could no longer support their cattle and horses. Reports of the riches of the Empire had filtered back via tradesmen, inspiring them to head west.
We've had a similar migration, this time northward to a region much richer than the one immediately to our south. Over decades, migrant Mexican workers have sent money home and told of the opportunities here in the US. And US agrobusiness had used Mexican farm workers legally under the bracero programs. World War II brought about a sudden and severe shortage of farm labor. German prisoners of war were employed, but they were only a partial solution. By enacting the Emergency Labor Program in 1942, Congress approved the importation of thousands of workers from Mexico, most to work in the fields but some to work on the nation's railroads.
The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture was assigned the responsibility of recruiting, contracting, transporting, feeding, and lodging the temporary farmworkers. So began the "Bracero program," the Spanish word braceros meaning "the strong armed ones. The railroad worker portion of the program, which imported workers to expand rail yards, lay track at port facilities, and replace worn rails-all part of the war effort-stayed in effect until 1945 and employed about 100,000 men.
The farmworker portion of the program was originally thought to be temporary, but after the war, the nation's growers, particularly those in California, vigorously supported the extension of the farm labor portion of the Bracero program, which eventually remained in effect for four decades.
GerryB -- Jim from KC, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 12:03:15 [1]
Do you think that we would be flooded with illegals from Mexico if they didn't have an overpopulation problem. How about all the other countries around the world who are in constant turmoil, almost without fail they have more people than they can support. That is a fact that we ignore at our peril. If we don't control our borders we will soon be in the same fix.
Shock Poll - 44% Want Bush Back -- Murray, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 10:30:59 [1]
Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama's declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that's somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country's difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections.
Allowing 1 group’s religious symbology while rejecting others is in fact a defacto establishment -- Murray, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 9:53:33 [1]
Confused delusional paranoia noted, Gene.
Either that, or you're just being outright silly. Or disingenuous.
Or perhaps you can point to laws being passed by Congress (a key aspect of the Establishment Clause) that led to these displays.
Btw, why are you posting so much today? Shuffleboard tournament rained out? Power outage at the bowling alleys?
Hope you have a game boy or something to help you when you start jonesing for some play time.
Lever pullers were never very bright but extremely selfish. -- Gus, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 9:44:35 [1]
I learn something new every day. Until now, I wasn't aware that BobJ was a lever-puller.
The "inconvenient truth" overhanging the UN's Copenhagen conference is not that the climate is warming or cooling, but that humans are overpopulating the world.
A planetary law, such as China's one-child policy, is the only way to reverse the disastrous global birthrate currently, which is one million births every four days.
Gene -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 9:35:56 [1]
RE: "LOCAL governments have responded appropriately; either ALL religious symbology is welcomed this time of year OR none will be displayed."
The only religious symbols which have been barred are those of Christianity. No others have been banned. Get your head out of your backside, Gene.
ThomKaat -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 9:30:38 [1]
RE: "I see: A public school placing a nativity scene on the front yard equates to: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Obama and his Nobel Peace Prize -- Connie, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 9:30:37 [1]
Ignorance of the Constitution by the President of the U.S?
Article I of the Constitution provides that "No person holding any office of Profit or Trust… shall, without the consent of Congress, accept any present, Emolument, Office or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or Foreign State."
Getting you to stick with a topic is as difficult as getting a unionista to work:
”Ohh all right. His policies stopped the certain ruination of your grandchildren’s economic future by flat earth conservatives.”
How?
By quadrupling the already massive deficit spending of his predecessor?
Won’t your grandchildren have to pay for that?
Of course, you will probably be dead when the bill finally comes due, but who cares!
You got yours!!!
Lever pullers were never very bright but extremely selfish.
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” 3. Our constitution if very clear on the issue. LOCAL governments have responded appropriately; either ALL religious symbology is welcomed this time of year OR none will be displayed.”
Which constitution are you referring to?
The US Constitution says nothing of the kind.
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”And what part of that don’t you understand?? Allowing 1 group’s religious symbology while rejecting others is in fact a defacto establishment.”
I see: A public school placing a nativity scene on the front yard equates to: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Perhaps you can make the connection.
No rational mind can.
Feel free to use quotes from Madison, Jefferson, Washington et al to support your argument.
ThomDunce, get a job, real manful employment with benefits -- Gene, living large and enjoying the hell out of it™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 8:58:59 [1]
Those of us that live on in the woods and have a little acreage are in a lot better position to survive a depression than city folks and the new ghetto dwellers (that be the suburbs that are quickly becoming the new slums).
Those quickie cracker boxes (slab on grade) that people paid way to much for and are now holding upside down mortgages are among those same houses that are becoming infested with gang bangers and druggies while they sit unoccupied. As those homes deteriorate 1 thing must happen, a significant drop in pricing thereby dropping surrounding values (exacerbating the upside down figures of current mortgage holders).
”And what part of that don’t you understand?? Allowing 1 group’s religious symbology while rejecting others is in fact a defacto establishment.”
I see: A public school placing a nativity scene on the front yard equates to: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Perhaps you can make the connection.
No rational mind can.
Feel free to use quotes from Madison, Jefferson, Washington et al to support your argument.
Murray, my friend -- had to walk the dogs on the beach, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 8:47:16 [1] I just thought it said Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion.
And what part of that don’t you understand?? Allowing 1 group’s religious symbology while rejecting others is in fact a defacto establishment.
Putting the 10 commandments on display (as judge goober mandated) is also against the constitution. AND was summarily removed (as it should have been).
Our nation was founded on Christian principals but the founders also recognized those principals are shared by most of the major religions.
THAT is why you clowns have such a hard time with the constitutional language that prevents the Rebiblicant takeover.
Kind of a moot point really. After the Talibangelical takeover and the subsequent mess you have made of Christianity it’s no small wonder America is drifting toward agnosticism. You only have yourselves (Rebiblicants) and the party of Terri Schievo to blame..
”3. Our constitution if very clear on the issue. LOCAL governments have responded appropriately; either ALL religious symbology is welcomed this time of year OR none will be displayed.”
Our constitution is very clear on the issue; either ALL religious symbology is welcomed this time of year OR none will be displayed. -- Murray, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 8:09:22 [1]
Oh, it says that in the Constitution? I just thought it said Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. Does your copy of the Constitution read differently? Perhaps you can share it.
It's ok if you don't, though. We really and truly do understand your abnormal need for play which, like Michael Jackson, you were deprived of in childhood.
You can probably blame that on Hannity. -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 8:06:56 [1]
I do and Beck spent time whining about Paul's voters "scaring him" Beck may have regrets, Hannity simply is a republican claiming to be a "Reagan Conservative"...in the grand scheme of things,he's more a hindrance than a help to "conservatism".
Gene -- The FEAR is evident in your posts, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 6:40:17 [1]
"You (like Gerry) would not have been in a position to survive the worldwide depression."
A more likely truth is that it is YOU that couldn't survive a depression. When you come right down to it, farmers and those who grow gardens would be positioned best for survival, also those societies that haven't been corrupted by the greed of socialism would fare better also.
You crow a lot, but YOUR FEAR for yourself shines through your attacks.
Gene -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 6:38:23 [1]
RE: "”Ohh all right. His policies stopped the certain ruination of your grandchildren’s economic future by flat earth conservatives.”
How has he done that? Other than party labels how is he different from any other politician?
ThomDunce, get a job, real manful employment with benefits -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:59:00 [1]
The alternative nummie, the alternative..
You (like Gerry) would not have been in a position to survive the worldwide depression.
Gerry, a circus IS missing a clown -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:49:16 [1] What problems has Obysmal fixed
Ohh all right. His policies stopped the certain ruination of your grandchildren’s economic future by flat earth conservatives.
Case in point, lending intuitions and some manufacturers are paying back their taxpayer loans at a very rapid rate. Those loans that prevented a global economic collapse that would have made the 30’s depression look like a church social. You of all people would be one of the 1st to not survive that collapse. You SHOULD be very grateful.
Why in the world would YOU want a retired Ironworker to explain events to you when you (should) be perfectly capable of figuring this out for yourself.
Gene -- Gerryb, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:37:15 [1]
RE: "Quite frankly, I’m tired of educating the un-educateable such as yourself. After 70+ years on this planet its way too late for a person who has given up on life."
Please stop your foolish nonesense and just answer the question. What problems has Obysmal fixed. I really would like to know. I would guess from your non- answer that you don't know either.
Gerry, ranking member of the doofi -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:27:18 [1] Please tell the class, exactly what problems has Obysmal fixed.
Quite frankly, I’m tired of educating the un-educateable such as yourself. After 70+ years on this planet its way too late for a person who has given up on life.
Interesting take on Tiger Woods -- ThomKaat, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:25:33 [1] The lessons of Tiger Woods
Larry Elder
"Tiger's finished."
"Define 'finished,'" I said to a friend in response to her assessment. Will Tiger Woods lose endorsements? Yes. How many and for how long remain open questions. Has the carefully groomed image of the contented family man who "has it all" gone supernova? Absolutely. Will he lose his wife, given her public humiliation and her shattered trust in her husband? Strong possibility.
But the history books are full of Act Twos.
Woods is a golfer. He is neither politician nor pastor. As he struggles to deal with his apparent inner demons/self-loathing/shame/embarrassment/dishonor, he can still golf. The curiosity factor alone means stratospheric ratings for his next tournament, especially if he's still contending on the final day. People unable to spell "golf" will tune in for his next event.
As bad as all of this is – especially for his wife – Woods hasn't killed anybody, at least that we know of. The more bizarre things become – the growing number of alleged mistresses, his mother-in-law's hospitalization, the recklessness of his behavior – new revelations may start producing diminishing returns in shock value. People will wonder whether he's a really rotten guy with a phony stage-managed image or a really sick guy who "needs help."
A friend and I recently watched a professional football game. The announcer mentioned a stellar player. My friend said, "I like him. He's amazing." I said, "Still standing, after being tried for murder." She thought I was joking. "And," I said, "he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for lying to the police." We Googled it. He not only lied to the police but told others to do so, as well.
Former President Bill Clinton is the only elected president ever to be impeached. He pleaded guilty to contempt of court for lying under oath and temporarily lost his law license. Does Clinton draw down the window shades, only to venture out under cover of night to go to the ATM? Please. He blamed the Republicans, who wanted to "overturn elections." Defenders said, "Everybody lies about sex." Had the Constitution permitted it, Clinton could have won a third term.
When Clinton first ran for president, he admitted on "60 Minutes" having had "problems with his marriage." People interpreted this to mean an acknowledgment of previous cheating with a promise to sin no more. But he did. He lied to the country about it. He lied about it under oath. Today he strolls around the globe, an elder statesman whose opinions are sought out and somberly considered.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, in the midst of Clinton's crisis, went to the White House to serve as a presidential "mentor." Jackson brought his visibly pregnant mistress, and both later posed for a group photograph in the Oval Office. When Jackson's scandal broke, he briefly closed shop. But he soon said, "The ground is no place for a champion. The ground is no place that I will wallow on." Back in business.
As to former President Richard Nixon, few have fallen from so high to so low so quickly. He went from the most powerful person on earth to a guy ACORN wouldn't hire. The only U.S. president to resign, Nixon did so just ahead of an impeachment posse, with a conviction in the Senate a near certainty. After leaving office, he got paid for an interview with David Frost, wrote a bunch of books and gave speeches on foreign policy. He sufficiently redeemed himself, to the point that by former President George W. Bush's second term, many Democrats thought Bush's "crimes" worthier of impeachment than those of Nixon.
As for Woods, he once had a favorable rating of nearly 85 percent. A recent poll still gave him a favorable rating of 60 percent. And Woods conceivably could even turn public opinion in his favor if he continues to excel on the golf course. "My, what an ability to focus!" etc.
There are many lessons here. There is the silliness of considering celebrities, about whom we really know very little, to be "role models." There is the envy, sometimes, of the lives of others when very little is as it seems.
Fortunate is the person who can look back at his or her life and say, "I would do it all again, the same way." My dad once said that to me. Most of us mortals have made mistakes, sometimes too many to count. Some mistakes have to do with career. Some have to do with money. Some have to do with other poor decisions and poor choices – reconsidered, of course, with the benefit of hindsight.
But the ones that cause the most regret and the most pain have to do with the treatment of other people – especially those who loved and trusted us. We finally discover the value and worth of what we once had and failed to appreciate. And now it's too late. Good luck, Mr. Woods
RoadKing , SEE WHY YOU ARE CONFUSED -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:21:13 [1] RK: Correction....A government is my employer. It's a government which is desperate for money and unable to meet its own needs. It’s called low taxes, something we all believe in. Government employees such as yourself need to understand trick-le downism has finally hit government employees
And have you taken a look at the vast array of taxes being established "for our benefit"?Most of those taxes are local supporting your lifestyle and infrastructure. Don’t like ‘em do something about local issues. You see, you whine about your “poor” county and the next paragraph snivel about taxation. Decidedly an Abbot and Costello (who’s on 1st) post
Re: The Jackass's had a chance to support Paul, they didn't.. now look what we got.... -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:21:09 [1]
SKYHAWK: You can probably blame that on Hannity.
RK: Not unless Hannity runs the RNC. He's only a repub cheerleader (like Limbaugh, only more so).
The Jackass's had a chance to support Paul, they didn't.. now look what we got.... -- SkyHawk, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:11:41 [1]
You can probably blame that on Hannity.
Gene, Alfred E. Neuman mode -- Roadking, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 5:07:27 [1]
1. the government is your employer.
RK: Correction....A government is my employer. It's a government which is desperate for money and unable to meet its own needs.
2. Your tax rate is already low
RK: Showing your ignorance again? And have you taken a look at the vast array of taxes being established "for our benefit"? Thus I call it a war waged on me and mine.
3. Obama has pretty much fixed the economic nightmare that Bush con-servatives left him.
RK: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The real damage is just beginning...see above comment.
4. Banks and financial institutions are �paying back� the money the taxpayer loaned them at an increasingly rapid rate.
RK: And instead of being used wisely, these funds are being used as a "slush fund" for government largess to buy votes for the 2010 elections instead of reducing the insane deficit created by the fascists.
5. Sarah Palin's poll numbers are up.
RK: Ok, there IS one bright point there...but it may be too late by 2012 to turn the fate of the nation around.
Murray, my friend -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 3:48:48 [1] alternating between play time and bringing down American traditions.
Oh stop sobbing, Murray. It’s all about accomplishment and the “long view”;
1. Play time; when I got out of the army I decided to position myself where I would have 25 years or so to do what I wanted, when I wanted and as much as I wanted without financial constraints. I TOOK my future AWAY from the GLOBALIST (Raygoneites) and those gullible enough to subscribe to the ludicrous notion of trick-le downs economics.
2. You speaking to “American traditions” is kind of humorous. You would suggest the right-wing’s fundraising tool (war on Christmas) is some sort of “American tradition”.. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is a fairly recent creation of politicians and religious charlatans playing on the emotions of the gullible.
3. Our constitution if very clear on the issue. LOCAL governments have responded appropriately; either ALL religious symbology is welcomed this time of year OR none will be displayed.
4. Thinking Americans have become increasingly agnostic because of the right-wing batshit crazies and their leadership’s political involvement in non “traditional” issues..
RoadKing -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 3:25:00 [1] I'm much more worried about the socialist/fascists and their war on ME.
Now why in the world would you worry??
1. the government is your employer.
2. Your tax rate is already low
3. Obama has pretty much fixed the economic nightmare that Bush con-servatives left him
4. Banks and financial institutions are “paying back” the money the taxpayer loaned them at an increasingly rapid rate
5. Caribou Barbie’s poll numbers are up, now if her supporters could just figure out why they like her (most can’t BTW)
I am happy to see that Glenn Beck is having Ron Paul on the Beck TV show quite often nowadays. -- a Pirate, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 0:46:16 [1]
The Jackass's had a chance to support Paul, they didn't.. now look what we got....
Forum -- Voice, Thu, Dec 10 2009, 0:01:21 [1]
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1. The "Drudge Report" is sure doing a job on Tiger Woods.
2. I am happy to see that Glenn Beck is having Ron Paul on the Beck TV show quite often nowadays.
I tried to contact Mark Higson the other day only to learn he had died nine years ago. He was just 40, an honourable man. We met soon after he had resigned from the Foreign Office in 1991 and I asked him if the government knew that Hawk fighter-bombers sold to Indonesia were being used against civilians in East Timor.
"Everyone knows," he said, "except parliament and the public."
"And the media?"
"The media – the big names – have been invited to King Charles Street (the Foreign Office) and flattered and briefed with lies. They are no trouble."
As Iraq desk officer at the Foreign Office, he had drafted letters for ministers reassuring MPs and the public that the British Government was not arming Saddam Hussein. "This was a downright lie," he said. "I couldn’t bear it."
Giving evidence before the arms-to-Iraq inquiry, Higson was the only British official commended by Lord Justice Scott for telling the truth. The price he paid was the loss of his health and marriage and constant surveillance by spooks. He ended up living on benefits in a Birmingham bedsitter where he suffered a seizure, struck his head, and died alone. Whistleblowers are often heroes; he was one.
TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran would strike back at Israeli weapons manufacturing sites and nuclear installations if the Jewish state attacked the Islamic Republic's nuclear facilities, Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi was quoted as saying Wednesday.
Forum -- Voice, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 23:17:26 [1]
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Tonight, I called the national 800 number for my auto insurance company ... three times.
1. On the first one, I got a man, obviously in India, who could hardly speak English. When I complained, he hung up on me.
2. On the second one, I got a man, obviously in India, who could barely speak English. When I asked to speak to someone whose first-language was English, he put me on hold, which I knew was going to go on forever.
3. On the third call, I tricked the system and got an American living in the Chicago area. I was then able to solve my insurance problem.
(IsraelNN.com) Transfer of Arabs from the Palestinian Authority to actual Arab countries was the most popular solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict, according to a poll this week by Israel National News. Of the more than 6,400 people surveyed, 53.2 said 'Transfer of Palestinians to another Arab country' when asked, "What's the best solution for the Arab-Israeli conflict?"
WASHINGTON — The canon of Hanukkah songs written by Mormon senators from Utah just got a little bigger.
Senator Orrin G. Hatch, a solemn-faced Republican with a soft spot for Jews and a love of Barbra Streisand, has penned a catchy holiday tune, “Eight Days of Hanukkah.” ...
“Anything I can do for the Jewish people, I will do,” Mr. Hatch said in an interview before heading to the Senate floor to debate an abortion amendment. “Mormons believe the Jewish people are the chosen people, just like the Old Testament says.”
In short, he loves the Jews. And based on an early sampling of listeners, the feeling could be mutual.
Poor little Gene has lost his way -- More Insanity, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 22:14:32 [1]
Best Buy Treason: Best Buys policy since 2000 has been to not use the words "Merry Christmas" on print advertising.
You can also go to snopes and verify that in 2006, Best Buy actually came out and stated that "the words "Merry Christmas" were DISRESPECTFUL; and they were not going to use them in their ads anymore!"
Idiot Gene proven a fool and a liar -- More Insanity, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 21:56:48 [1]
muslim Best Buy treason Oh Geney, you been caught with your pants down spanking your monkey, by the Huffington Post no less. The left betrays you again.
Recalcitrant Gene in denial -- Gene is a mockery of America, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 21:51:57 [1]
No attack on Christmas? Try Best Buy's ads with NO mention of Christmas, instead Best Buy felt the need to welcome/praise muslims with bold print.
Gene's Terpidity -- More Insanity, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 21:44:43 [1]
"at the same time destroying the vibrant middle class that was the economic engine of this country. As we read here constantly some of our forum buddies remain clueless as to their new trickle downs economic status (as semi-slave labor, working until they can’t any more)"
Your problem Gene is, you don't know what you are saying, you must keep qualifying it to stay afloat with your drivel. So someone is destroying the middle class? Try the socialists, that means Democrat/fascists/communists/socialists/idiots/peabrains/reds, they are destroying every class except their ultra rich capitalist socialist class, one that you can't belong to because you are member de le peon class. You can't say anything that sticks Gene.
Gene, did you ever get caught jacking off in a closet?(little boys like you always get caught) But you will say "NO". Pretty good hiding place isn't it?
Achilles -- Jack the Pirate, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 21:14:43 [1]
The Aisle Seat
Two radical Arab terrorists boarded a flight out of London. One took a window seat and the other sat next to him in the middle seat.
Just before takeoff, a U.S. Marine sat down in the aisle seat.
After takeoff, the Marine kicked his shoes off, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the Arab in the window seat said, 'I need to get up and get a Coke.'
'Don't get up,' said the Marine, 'I'm in the aisle seat, I'll get it for you.'
As soon as he left, one of the Arabs picked up the Marine's shoe and spit in it.
When the Marine returned with the Coke, the other Arab said, 'That looks good, I'd really like one, too.'
Again, the Marine obligingly went to fetch it.
While he was gone, the other Arab picked up the Marine's other shoe and spit in it.
When the Marine returned, they all sat back and enjoyed the flight.
As the plane was landing, the Marine slipped his feet into his shoes and knew immediately what had happened. He leaned over and asked his Arab neighbors,'Why does it have to be this way?
How long must this go on?
This fighting between our nations?
This hatred?
This animosity?
This spitting in shoes and pissing in Cokes?'
Murray -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 19:12:05 [1]
Just think of it in this way, Murray. The socialist/fascists have to have enemies to use as focal points. These focal points keep their followers looking one way while they are going in the opposite direction.
While Gene is going after christians (since it's not PC to go after islamists, and there are too many jews faithful to the cause), those who spoon feed him his paranoia are working around behind him to stab him and all of us in the back.
Yeah, I know that sounds paranoid too. But remember that just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't REALLY out to get you!!!!
Gene, in religious paranoia mode -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 19:06:17 [1]
GENE: The fundraising war on Christmas already has 2 major antagonists, the Jew and the Muslim. Not to mention our very own constitution.
RK: Considering that this so-called "fundraising war" is present only in the mind of socialist/fascists, why should I worry. I'm much more worried about the socialist/fascists and their war on ME.
�They� are playing on your anti-constitutional attempt to set a state sponsored religion. -- a Pirate, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:52:30 [1]
Don't be more you, When it's Ramadan, it's Ramadan, When it Hanuka , it's Hanuka and when it's Christmas, it's CHRISTMAS. I don't celebrate the other two and could give a shit whether they're written out somewhere.
Gene, desperately seeking relevancy by dabbling in anti-Americanism -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:51:25 [1]
Think about it - no job and nothing productive to do all day, so you align yourself with people who are attempting to dismantle the American culture, including the President whose efforts have recently come to light in, of all places, the New York Times. Then, you lie that you're involved in this sad enterprise while going after the people who simply like the culture as it has been for a very long time.
So, you spend your time alternating between play time and bringing down American traditions. What a worthless piece of human debris you've become. Tragedy is, you had a good and fairly admirable life at one time and you threw it away for inanity.
war on Christmas -- a Pirate, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:34:40 [1]
I don't think there's a war on Christmas, I think it's just what you get from a public school education .. Christmas is simply too hard to spell.
As an aside the village approached me about our annual Christmas Parade wondering why I hadn't signed up to run a float in it this year, I said "What Christmas parade ?!?, all I saw was the sign for for happy holidays parade..She got the point quite nicely and didn't get the $20.00 entrance fee, (why complain when you can simply cost them money :-)
RoadKing -- Gene, freedom living American without religious Tyranny enabled by hypocrisy and the batshit crazies, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:31:54 [1]
Ahahhahhaaaa, good one. The fundraising war on Christmas already has 2 major antagonists, the Jew and the Muslim. Not to mention our very own constitution.
Murray -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:26:56 [1]
I didn't know you personally were trying to establish a "state sponsored religion"? You little rascal you!!!
Hey you're going to have to do something about the two already established religions that you have to remove and replace first....socialism and global warming.
confused delusional paranoia noted, Murray -- Gene, freedom living American without religious Tyranny enabled by hypocrisy and the batshit crazies, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 18:22:14 [1] intimidate people from fighting back
Typical rebiblicant paranoia (help help, “they” are out to get us). There is NO intimidation just batshit paranoia and dishonest possibly criminal coercion of the gullible.
Now listen up nummie;
the fundraisers and their “war on Christmas” are about to empty your wallet again. The same way they have done this time of year for a very long time.
”They” are playing on your anti-constitutional attempt to set a state sponsored religion.
Hell, even Oral Robert’s Okie trailer trash family will probably get in the act now that that mess has lost it’s stench.
when the hysterical Rebiblicants start up the fundraising machine -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:59:14 [1]
Speaking of that, have you paid your 2010 ACLU dues yet?
Or, is your contribution to this effort merely to attempt to intimidate people from fighting back?
By the way, time for your warm milk and then bed. Nitey nite, old man.
P.S. Good luck in the shuffleboard tournament. Do let us know how that turns out.
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Murray, you need to get out more -- Gene, freedom living American without religious Tyranny enabled by hypocrisy and the batshit crazies, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:58:14 [1] AH, gotchya nummie. There IS a concerted effort by the Rebiblicants to resurrect Jimmy Dodson’s fund raiser after all. Thankx for the help
Gene, in Ugly American mode -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:41:08 [1]
GENE: In a round about way you did vote for Obama then.
RK: Not at all. I've never voted for a socialist or fascist, and Soetoro is both. The only "round about" way you can state such a lie is by spinning the truth...something you're good at.
GENE:And of course you will vote for the nitwit from Wasilla when the time comes. She is going to be the de facto figurehead of the party of disaffected republicans.
RK: Nitwit? Not at all. And I WILL vote for the best person, meaning a serious minded CONSERVATIVE. If that person is Sarah Palin, so be it. See Gene, I can state who I'm voting FOR. Isn't that so much better than voting AGAINST everything??
GENE: Look how well Armey�s army (Tea Baggers) and Rebiblicans did in NY-23.
RK: I don't remember seeing Dick Armey's name on the ticket, nor did any homosexual perverts run on the Conservative Party ticket (unknown if any homosexual perverts were on the demo or repub tickets). As for the repub ticket, I believe the idiots there tried to elect someone who is even further to the left than the demo....
Besides, the office is up for re-election next year....and things will change a lot in the next ten months.
Because there are a lot more glamorous, spoiled white women than there are glamorous, spoiled black women. -- a Pirate, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:39:55 [1]
You're buying into your own hype. Opposites attract, nothing more. My first wife was from Trinidad (when it was a country), my second is Hawaiian/Chinese. That there aren't as many spoiled Black women is a shame,Black guys should work harder, because us White guys are just too busy to take up all of their slack.
Bush pretended that Europe didn't exist. -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:35:58 [1]
Trying to find stories from his Admin where he snubbed a European head of state.
Do you have any? Try to find something symmetrical to the Obama snub if you can.
If you come up with something, fine. I don't have a dog in the hunt except I object to the left's obvious tactic of bashing Bush to make Obama look good by comparison.
Murray, my friend -- Gene, freedom living American without religious Tyranny enabled by hypocrisy and the batshit crazies, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:26:22 [1] Gene's marching orders from his handlers
Really, would you mind showing us where TODAY?? Of course you don’t know what you are talking about BUTT look for the lefties to pick up on it (when the hysterical Rebiblicants start up the fundraising machine). Any day now they’ll start sobbing and re-erect the Dodson’s strawman.
The air is filled with obsessive self-satisfied rhetoric about supporting the troops" -- a Pirate, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:23:54 [1]
I wouldn't worry, no one for a minute believes what the Mulatto boy says...
RoadKing -- Gene, all American freedom loving Union Bridgeman™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:16:06 [1] And neither did I, or apparently the vast majority of conservatives here either.
In a round about way you did vote for Obama then. And of course you will vote for the nitwit from Wasilla when the time comes. She is going to be the de facto figurehead of the party of disaffected republicunts.
Look how well Armey’s army (Tea Baggers) and Rebiblicans did in NY-23.
Typical socialist/fascist tactic of never voting FOR anything -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:15:50 [1]
You can only tell what they're for by seeing what they're against and using deduction to ascertain their actual views.
For example, Gene's marching orders from his handlers in the puke lefty blogosphere today have been to belittle people who support traditional expressions of Christmas. Therefore, he is obviously on the other side of the issue.
Former Mayor Ed Koch of NYC: -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:07:45 [1]
"Next year, there will be the bi-annual congressional elections – the entire House and one-third of the Senate. Two issues will dominate the election – loss of jobs and the ongoing war.
The Democrats will be held responsible for both and will lose their majority in both houses if either or especially both continue."
Murray's comment: It looks like they'll still be working on health care legislation right up until that time. Remember that they were supposed to have passed it before the August recess?
Gene, in ugly american mode -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:07:30 [1]
GENE: Noo, what we DIDN�T DO is elect a clone of Bush as McCain�s #2 (as you would have done).
RK: And neither did I, or apparently the vast majority of conservatives here either.
I do find it interesting though that while I noted who you DID vote for (the Ugly American), you however did manage to phrase it so that you could state who you DIDN'T vote for. Typical socialist/fascist tactic of never voting FOR anything.
Murray -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:03:43 [1]
Soetoro, being the supreme socialist that he is, may feel that meeting with a "King" might be beneath him. Or maybe he just thinks that there's no reason to meet with the King because there's nothing that he needs to apologize for??
RoadKing -- Gene, all American freedom loving Union Bridgeman™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 17:00:39 [1] Gene, I wish to congratulate you guys. You managed to elect the "Ugly American".
Noo, what we DIDN’T DO is elect a clone of Bush as McCain’s #2 (as you would have done).
lol -- Bill, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 16:55:07 [1]
"Though the U.S. has traditionally had close relationships with European countries, Obama keeps his distance."
Except for his UK lapdog, Bush pretended that Europe didn't exist.
Because he could spell UK, but he couldn't spell Europe, maybe.
Voice -- Bill, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 16:52:39 [1]
"Why do Black men, when they become successful, tend to choose White women?"
Because there are a lot more glamorous, spoiled white women than there are glamorous, spoiled black women.
And because it makes gnarly racists lie awake thinking about those smelly black men having their way with those white chicks.
They say the Arian chicks go absolutely crazy. They never go back. Check out the photos on the Walmart billboard and see all the women with white power tattoos. They're off with spear chuckers, Voice, never to return. Think about it.
Re: Obama snubs the king---Katarina Andersson -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 15:52:46 [1]
News statement: the president would snub his own exhibition at the Nobel Peace Center. Prize winners traditionally open the exhibitions about their work that accompany the Nobel festivities.
RK: Perhaps it's because the actual exhibition of his accomplishments up to the cut-off point (after which the prize winner is chosen) would consist of a display about the size of an average New York Hot Dog cart???
News statement: “Meanwhile, the Swedish daily Svenska Dagbladet is reporting that the president has declined an invitation to lunch with King Harald V, an event every prize winner from the Dalai Lama to Al Gore has attended.
RK: Bob and Gene, I wish to congratulate you guys. You managed to elect the "Ugly American".
Fascist Bob -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 15:43:06 [1]
Re: Bob Herbert and his assinine op-ed....
It's apparent that this idiot has made his opinion based on an erronious generalization (also known as a fascist talking point) which has no basis in fact. I would suspect that because Mr. Herbert's cronys are of the sort that would support his generalization, then he assumes incorrectly that ALL American's are of the same lazy, introverted, hedonistic stereotype. The fact that the U.S. military STILL is meeting it's manning requirements even though it is known now that the C-in-C currently in office has much disdain, and a total lack of concern about his military forces. Americans STILL enlist in the numbers required even though they know they'll get a raw deal from their government at the git-go.
In other words, Mr. Herbert is a HORSE'S ASS.
some levity -- Achilles, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 15:17:34 [1]
Six retired Irishmen were playing poker in O'Leary's apartment when Paddy Murphy loses $500 on a single hand, clutches his chest, and drops dead at the table.
Showing respect for their fallen brother, the other five continue playing standing up. Michael O'Conner looks around and asks,'Well, me boys, someone got's to tell Paddy's wife. Who will it be?' They draw straws. Paul
Gallagher picks the short one. They tell him to bediscreet, be gentle, don't make a bad situation any worse. 'Discreet??? I'm the most discreet Irishman you'll ever meet. Discretion is me middle name. Leave it to me.'
Gallagher goes over to Murphy's house and knocks on the door. Mrs. Murphy answers, and asks what he wants. Gallagher declares, 'Your husband just lost $500, and is afraid to come home.' 'Tell him to drop dead!' says Murphy's wife. 'I'll go tell him.' says Gallagher.
from Bob Herbert's OP-Ed piece in yesterday's NY Times: -- Achilles, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 14:30:34 [1]
"The air is filled with obsessive self-satisfied rhetoric about supporting the troops..and not letting them down. But the rhetoric is as hollow as a jazzman's drum because the overwhelming majority of Americans have no desire to share in the sacrifices that the service members and their families are making. Most Americans do not want to serve in the wars, and do not even want to fork over the taxes that are needed to pay for the wars. The nation will always give lip-service to support the troops, but for the most part Americans do not really care about the men and women we so blithely ship off to war, and the families they leave behind."
"The reason it is so easy for the US to declare wars, and to continue fighting year after year is because so few Americans feel the actual pain of those wars. We've been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan longer than we fought in WW I and WW II combined. If voters had to choose right now between instituting a draft or exiting Iraq and Afghanistan, the troops would be out of those two countries in a heartbeat."
"I don't think our current way of waging war, which is pretty easy-breezy for most citizens, is what the architects of America had in mind. Here's George Washington's view: 'It must be laid down as a primary position and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government owes not only a proportion of his property, but even his his personal service to the defense of it.'"
Mr. Herbert began his column with: "I spoke recently with a student at Columbia who was enthusiastic about the escalation of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. He argued that a full-blown counter-insurgency effort, which would likely take many years and cost many lives, was the only way to truly win the war. He was a very bright young man: thoughtful, eager and polite. I asked him if he had any plans to join the military and help make this grand mission a success. He said no."
War on Christmas being waged from White House -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 14:01:42 [1]
The Obama administration sought to ban baby Jesus from the executive mansion as part of its plans for a "non-religious Christmas," according to a participant at a White House luncheon.
In its Dec. 4 issue, the New York Times published an article highlighting accomplishments of Desirée Rogers, the new White House social secretary.
Rogers, a woman who markets what she refers to as the "Obama brand," is responsible for every event that takes place in the White House.
"Her job is to carry out the vision of the president and first lady, and to make their social events reflect their sensibilities," the Times reported.
As part of that mission, a participant at a White House luncheon for former social secretaries said Rogers announced that the Obamas were planning a "non-religious Christmas."
The Times called the announcement "hardly a surprising idea for an administration making a special effort to reach out to other faiths."
The luncheon conversation purportedly shifted to whether the Obamas planned to display the traditional 18th century White House crèche. Since 1967, past administrations had featured the nativity scene as a centerpiece of the East Room. It was donated to the White House more than four decades ago and made in Naples, Italy, of terra cotta and carved wood.
The participant said Rogers announced the president "did not intend to put the manger scene on display – a remark that drew an audible gasp from the tight-knit social secretary sisterhood," the Times reported.
Obama snubs the king---Katarina Andersson -- Me, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 13:44:36 [1]
Way to go Obama. Keep it up.
Finally some Europeans are angry with Obama—the very ones who are awarding him his Nobel. Katarina Andersson on the president's decision to decline lunch with King Harald and skip his own Nobel exhibit.
A day before President Obama receives his Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, the president’s treatment of his Norwegian hosts has become hot news across Scandinavia.
News outlets across the region are calling Obama arrogant for slashing some of the prize winners’ traditional duties from his schedule. “Everybody wants to visit the Peace Center except Obama,” sniped the Norwegian daily Aftenposten, amid reports the president would snub his own exhibition at the Nobel Peace Center. “A bit arrogant—a bit bad,” proclaimed another Aftenposten headline.
“It’s very sad,” said Nobel Peace Center Director Bente Erichsen of the news that Obama would skip the peace center exhibit. Prize winners traditionally open the exhibitions about their work that accompany the Nobel festivities. “I totally understand why the Norwegian public is upset. If I could get a few minutes with the president, I’d say, ‘To walk through the exhibition wouldn’t take long, and I’m sure you would love the show. You have no idea what you are missing.’”
Meanwhile, the Swedish daily Svenska Dagbladet is reporting that the president has declined an invitation to lunch with King Harald V, an event every prize winner from the Dalai Lama to Al Gore has attended. (The newspaper’s headline: “Obama disses lunch with King Harald.”)
Also among the dissed, according to news reports: a concert in Oslo on Friday that was arranged in his honor, and a group of Norwegian children who had planned to meet Obama in front of City Hall.
“The American president is acting like an elephant in a porcelain shop,” said Norwegian public-relations expert Rune Morck-Wergeland. “In Norwegian culture, it’s very important to keep an agreement. We’re religious about that, and Obama’s actions have been clumsy. You just don’t say no to an invitation from a European king. Maybe Obama’s advisers are not very educated about European culture, but he is coming off as rude, even if he doesn’t mean to.”
Indeed, judging by statements surrounding the president’s trip to Europe this week, it is beginning to appear as if the European love affair with Obama—which culminated in giving him the Nobel Prize—is over.
The Swedish news agency TT reported today that 44 percent of the Norwegians found Obama's diss to King Harald V to be "rude." Even more—53 percent—are upset about the fact that he is not attending the traditional concert. And by now a third of the Vikings believe that the U.S. president doesn't deserve the Peace Prize. At the same time, 20 different Norwegian organizations have applied for a permit to demonstrate during Obama's visit.
• Samuel P. Jacobs: Obama Goes for the Gold But some news outlets are cutting him a bit of slack, noting that he is dealing with two wars and soaring unemployment back home and a new war, and that his main focus this week should rightly be on the climate-change summit in Copenhagen. Taking part in all the activities surrounding his Nobel Prize could send the wrong message.
That may have something to do with Obama’s uncharacteristic shunning of the press. Whereas other prize winners have viewed the standard Nobel Peace Prize CNN interview as an opportunity to address the world for a full hour, Obama seems unwilling to answer any questions at all. There will be no press conference, just a statement from the president.
“It’s very strange that he is unwilling to meet the press,” said Marie Simonsen, political editor at Dagbladet, one of Norway’s biggest daily newspapers. “I’m very disappointed. You get the impression he is not proud of the prize.”
“You just don’t say no to an invitation from a European king. Maybe Obama’s advisers are not very educated about European culture, but he is coming off as rude, even if he doesn’t mean to.”
Obama is the second sitting American president to visit Norway. Ten years ago, President Clinton traveled to the country at the invitation of King Harald. “When Clinton was here he was walking into cafes in downtown Oslo, shaking hands with Norwegians on the street,” said Simonsen. “It doesn’t seem as if we are going to experience something similar with President Obama.”
you clowns -- ahahahhahaaaaa, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 13:09:02 [1]
Say fellow Christ-ians, the SC legislature just voted to NOT impeach “C” Streeter Mark Sanford. Of course you remember him, promoter of “family values" including using state funds to “hike” the Appalachian Trail to find his Brazilian sweety..
Murray, you old cult-ural warrior you -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 12:45:06 [1] you've already shown your true colors.
That I have, I’m on the side of the constitution (and fellow Americans) of the United States.
You Talibangelicals use the birth of Jesus as a fundraiser. I’ll be sure to point it out to you in the coming weeks as the season of silliness (attack on Christmas hits it’s stride)
Gene, the anti-American American -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 12:37:51 [1]
No, Gene, too late - you've already shown your true colors.
Save the sophistry for someone with whom you have credibility - which would be absolutely nobody.
Now please return to your backgammon game and leave these issues to the grownups.
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Murray, Gerry etc -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 12:07:14 [1] find a couple of cousins of Islam (Jews) and apologize to them for what a horrible country this is that makes them endure Christian religious symbols in their schools and public squares, etc, and assure them how you and your ilk on the loopy left are working to make sure their sensibilities will no longer be offended.
I’m not going to apologize to anyone for my country. What I intend on doing is making it live up to the promises guaranteed by the constitution. Today we are discussing religious freedom i.e. the non-establishment of state sponsored religion as the Talibangelical would like to do.
BTW, I say Merry Christmas to everyone I meet just as I would expect the Jew to honor whatever day THEY celebrate or the Islamic or Buddhist or Hindu or anybody else with a religious inclination..
Gus -- Gerryb, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 10:15:47 [1]
RE: "Merry Christmas! At least we can celbrate the birth of our Lord and Saviour together. Meerrry Christmas!"
MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours too. I will celebrate that joyous event with any one who wishes to.
Gene -- Gerryb, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 10:10:36 [1]
RE: "How much are you going to give this year to 'defend' Christmas from them pesky liberal progressive?"
The same amount that I have given for many years. Zero, Zilch, Nothing, None, "0". I don't donate to causes. I do, however, try to wish people that I meet on the street or in places of business a "MERRY CHRISTMAS." I said it in the eye Doctor's office this morning and I will say it again this afternoon when I go to the foot Doctor's ofice. I will say it when I go to the cell phone store to pay my bill and I will say it when I go to the cable company office when I go there to pay my bill this afternoon.
The last damned thing I would do is involve myself in a none issue -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 9:38:25 [1]
You're already involved and you've already taken sides.
Since you have so much time on your hands, why don't you find a couple of cousins of Islam (Jews) and apologize to them for what a horrible country this is that makes them endure Christian religious symbols in their schools and public squares, etc, and assure them how you and your ilk on the loopy left are working to make sure their sensibilities will no longer be offended.
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Achilles -- ThomKaat, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 9:36:09 [1]
Mark Penn's two firms got $6 million from stimulus for PR campaign
By Alexander Bolton - 12/09/09 12:00 AM ET
Nearly $6 million in stimulus money was paid to two firms run by Mark Penn, Hillary Clinton’s pollster in 2008.
Federal records show that $5.97 million from the $787 billion stimulus helped preserve three jobs at Burson-Marsteller, the global public-relations and communications firm headed by Penn.
Burson-Marsteller won the contract to work on a public-relations campaign to advertise the national switch from analog to digital television. Nearly $2.8 million of the contract was issued to Penn’s polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates, according to federal records.
Federal records also show that a former adviser to President Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign received nearly $70,000 from that contract to help alert viewers in difficult-to-reach communities that their televisions would soon no longer receive broadcast signals.
The adviser, Alfredo J. Balsera, who heads a public-affairs firm based in Coral Gables, Fla., helped craft Obama’s Hispanic advertising message.
Republicans on Tuesday criticized the federal spending on the advertising project as a waste of taxpayer dollars. They noted that the advertising campaign took place on May 5, only 39 days before the digital television transition was scheduled (June 12)
GOP Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Tom Coburn (Okla.) held a news conference Tuesday to blast 100 “wasteful” projects funded by the $787 billion economic stimulus package Congress passed earlier this year, concluding that at least $7 billion of the $217 billion spent through November was wasteful and mismanaged
The GOP senators highlighted the direction of the stimulus funds on the same day Obama outlined a new series of proposals for creating jobs that Republicans view as another stimulus measure. The proposals include tax cuts for small businesses, tax incentives for employers to hire new workers and infrastructure spending.
The need for additional measures has raised questions over the efficacy of the stimulus package passed earlier this year.
White House officials have said the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated the stimulus helped to create 1.6 million jobs. White House aides also have noted that the national employment report for November showed dramatic improvement compared to early this year.
A White House spokeswoman on Tuesday responded to the GOP report by saying Coburn’s previous reports on stimulus spending have been filled with “false or misleading claims.”
“In the end, even if there are a few unwise projects, it is only a handful out of the over 50,000 projects that have been approved to date,” said Liz Oxhorn, a White House spokeswoman. “The real question here is whether Recovery Act critics will at long last acknowledge that well over 99 percent of the projects are sound, effective and working as promised.”
McCain and Coburn did not show any indication that they knew two Democratic political strategists received funding through the grant.
A review of federal records by The Hill revealed Penn and Balsera received money from the economic stimulus program.
Burson-Marsteller, which Penn heads as CEO worldwide, won the $5.97 million contract through Young & Rubicam. (Burson-Marsteller has been a part of Young & Rubicam Brands since 1979.)
A contract award summary posted on Recovery.gov, the government website that tracks stimulus spending, states Burson-Marsteller was awarded a competitive contract by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to help prepare “unready households for the DTV transition.”
The purpose of the campaign was to “bolster the reach, penetration and impact of the FCC’s DTV readiness messages in selected markets, specifically among the groups that had been determined to be the most at risk.”
Cassandra Andrade, a senior associate with Balsera Communications, said, “I can see where there’s concern, but the contract was strictly based on our merits. We’ve been working on multicultural outreach for many years.”
Andrade said her firm worked to contact Hispanic television viewers in Philadelphia, Chicago and Los Angeles.
Andrade noted that according to Nielsen, a media-research company, there was a sharp decline in the number of unready homes in the week leading up to the digital transition and that 97.5 percent of households were ready for the switch.
A spokesman for Penn, Schoen & Berland and a spokeswoman for Burson-Marsteller did not respond to a request for comment.
Penn received scrutiny during and after the 2008 presidential campaign for the role he played in Clinton’s unsuccessful White House bid. Some Clinton supporters questioned whether his service was worth the millions in fees he billed to the campaign.
Penn’s firm billed the campaign $5 million for polling and at least $8 million for sending out direct-mail pieces, according to Time magazine. Clinton’s campaign finally paid off the debt in July.
Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said the three jobs saved at Burson-Marsteller represented a poor value for taxpayers.
“It illustrates a very poor way to create jobs,” Kyl said.
Kyl said the appropriateness of Democratic strategists receiving funds “depends on whether they exerted some influence.”
The digital television advertising campaign ranked as No. 3 on the list of 100 projects that GOP senators on Tuesday highlighted as “pure waste” in the billions of stimulus funds spent this year.
At the top of the GOP list is a $5 million grant from the Department of Energy to create a geothermal energy system for the Oak Ridge City Center shopping mall in Oak Ridge, Tenn. The main problem with the project, say Republicans, is the fact the mall has been losing tenants for years and is mostly empty.
GOP senators also blasted a $1.57 million grant to Penn State University to search for fossils in Argentina and a $100,000 award to a liberal-leaning theater in Minnesota for socially conscious puppet shows.
Two million dollars in stimulus money went to build a replica railroad as a tourist attraction in Carson City, Nev.
A dinner cruise company based in Chicago received nearly $1 million in funds to combat terrorism.
Half a million dollars went to Arizona State University to study the genetic makeup of ants to determine distinctive roles in ant colonies; $450,000 went to the University of Arizona to study the division of labor in ant colonies.
The State University of New York at Buffalo won $390,000 to study young adults who drink malt liquor and smoke marijuana. The National Institutes of Health got $219,000 in funds to study whether female college students are more likely to “hook up” after drinking alcohol.
The University of Hawaii collected $210,000 to study the learning patterns of honeybees, and $700,000 went to help crab fishermen in Oregon recover lost crab pots. (Source)
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Remember when Democraps howled about wasteful spending during the Bush years?
Now the Republicraps how because Democraps are doing what they used to.
Here's a little something a friend sent me yesterday:
"Thomas Jefferson - How did he know?"
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
And, finally, Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..."
Murray, you old cult-ural warrior you -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 9:23:59 [1] How much did you give, traitorous bastard, (waasa matter, got me confused with Gus??) to the people who are waging the war on Christmas from the other side?
Ahahahahhahaa, paranoid con-fusion duly noted. The last damned thing I would do is involve myself in a none issue/dishonestly created political/religious fundraiser.
Murray -- Gus, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 9:11:01 [1]
Yes indeed. Much like claiming the earth is in a run-away warming crisis, while suppressing the data and individuals that use REAL science that claim otherwise. Oh yeah, and being caught red-handed conspiring to do so, and then proceeding forward, with the media as staunch co-conspirators, as if nothing happened.
Gene -- Gus, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:46:02 [1]
Thanks for posting my wisdom yet again. Keep it up. I don't have to be here when you do it. You should post it at least once an hour because my attendance her is very sporadic.
Merry Christmas! At least we can celbrate the birth of our Lord and Saviour together. Meerrry Christmas!
Murray, you old cult-ural warrior you -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:40:24 [1] Oh, but Gene says there's no war on Christmas.
What Gene does say is when are your Zionist buddies in that school gonna get THEIR holiday?? There is probably a couple of cousins of Islam (Jews) going there.
Fight that tree battle where it occurs (locally). It doesn’t demand a nationalized hysterical fundraising effort and breast beating by shysters conning the gullible (that be you folks).
Voice -- Jesus, are you trying to give the nutballz here a heart attack??, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:33:05 [1]
That is a crying ass shame but I’ll wager this isn’t the end of it. It was a local issue and SHOULD be decided locally
What does that have to do with the “war” on Christmas” fund raising aspects of the “season”??
I was reading a blog a couple of days ago the Chamber of Commerce (and the retailers who make up that particular hogtrough) are part of the hysteria (alleged “war” on Christmas). Imagine my surprise at that one…
(MYFOX NATIONAL) - An elementary school in Oregon removed its Christmas tree after complaints about the tree being a religious symbol.
Some families in the town of Ashland made the complaints and principal Michelle Zundel decided to take down the tree during Thanksgiving break. She replaced it with two snowmen, saying they were neutral decorations.
"The Christmas tree, while a secular symbol according to the Supreme Court, does symbolize Christmas, and if you are entering a public school and your family does not celebrate Christmas, then it feels like a religious symbol," Zundel said. "A snowman is created by children at play in the snow, and so it doesn't have a particular religious bent."
US Military Deserters -- -- Gus, Wed, Nov 25 2009, 7:47:55 [1], Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:21:26 [1]
I'll give you safe haven. There's no need for you to keep suffering abuses. There's no dishonor deserting this shit-hole of a country.
Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community.
In the case of Obama's government in particular, every criticism against Israel made by a potential government appointee has become a catalyst for debate about whether appointing "another leftist" offers proof that Obama does not truly support Israel.
even a pathological liar like you must admit that the standard greeting this time of year always was "Merry Christmas" and, in this era of political correctness, it's become almost wrong to say that. -- Gus, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:15:23 [1]
Oh contraire mein freund (a little BobJ lingo)! Its clear by the idiot's response that this particular pathological liar must admit nothing. You're shocked and surprised I'm sure.
Murray, you old cult-ural warrior you -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 8:02:08 [1] even a pathological liar like you must admit that the standard greeting this time of year always was "Merry Christmas" and, in this era of political correctness, it's become almost wrong to say that.
Only in your little paranoid mind, my friend. How much are you giving the charlatans to the “defend Christmas fund”. Unless of course YOU are part of the scam using the “war” on Christmas as the (niche you have created)..
Gene, I hate to interrupt your second childhood butt... -- Murray, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 6:34:39 [1]
even a pathological liar like you must admit that the standard greeting this time of year always was "Merry Christmas" and, in this era of political correctness, it's become almost wrong to say that.
I even had people saying "Happy Holiday" to me instead of wishing me "Happy Thanksgiving."
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Gerry, my friend FYI -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 6:16:00 [1] I answered your foolishness yesterday.
You didn’t answer squat. As a participating member of the doofi you fall for that crap (war on Christmas) every year.
IF you bothered to read some you would see the beginnings of the non-sense already.
How much are you going to give this year to “defend” Christmas from them pesky liberal progressive??
Unaware goobers such as yourself need to be made aware of the fundraising aspects of the “war on Christmas”
the REAL war on Christmas -- and the charlitians role, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 6:10:48 [1] Participation in besmirching and bringing down a cherished aspect of traditional American culture duly noted.
Ohh please, nothing was said about Christmas, it’s traditions etc.
My point was the prostitutes/political whores and their allies/churches etc on the loony right USING THE PIOUS (too stupid to figure it out) for fundraising. Tis the season ya know.
Gene -- Gerryb, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 6:06:08 [1]
RE: "Isn’t it about time to wind up the 'Christian' right fund raising machine?? The continuous onslaught/theme; 'war on Christmas'??
I answered your foolishness yesterday. Why don't you respond to that instead of repeating your tired old theme?
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Murray, you old cult-ural warrior you -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 6:05:37 [1] Outside of the military I never worked for a “government” like some here on this forum. A client is a client NOT an employer, you SHOULD know that the financial wizzard that you are.
BTW, how is that taxpayer provided/big government retirement (Socialist Security) thing working out for you??
you people -- Gene, Freedom living American without religious tyranny/hysteria/batshit crazy insanity™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:52:14 [1]
Isn’t it about time to wind up the “Christian” right fund raising machine?? The continuous onslaught/theme; “war on Christmas”??
RoadKing -- Gerryb, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:43:31 [1]
RE: "The idea is to watch Beck and O'Reilly to glean material FOR his bitching. Good morning by the way, and I hope things are a little warmer there in the Peoples Republic. It's hovering around -11F so far. I believe the high will be around +19F today. Have a good one!"
I hope to have a good one. I have a 9:45 appointment with my eye doctor. Yes, I guess that might be why he watches them. The tempurature is +29 here this morning. It will be going to +38. We never have tempuratures below Zero until after the new year. It doesn't stay there long. A few days. We get about a few inches of snow until late in January and most of Frbruary. Large snowfalls are so unusual that most drivers forget how to drive in the stuff from one year to the next. Have fun with your winter weather.
RoadKing , SEE WHY YOU ARE CONFUSED -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:38:45 [1] You two really should be enjoying long soapy baths into the wee hours while you turn each other on with whispered lies about Reagan and Palin.
And you work for whom again?? It is extremely humorous to read that “anti-capitalist” rant while you couldn’t carve out a living in the capitalist private sector.
Just how is supporting the destruction of our middle class supporting capitalism??
Why do you have to resort to big government employment to earn a pension??
GerryB -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:31:09 [1]
The idea is to watch Beck and O'Reilly to glean material FOR his bitching. Good morning by the way, and I hope things are a little warmer there in the Peoples Republic. It's hovering around -11F so far. I believe the high will be around +19F today. Have a good one!
Anti-Capitalist love fest -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:28:14 [1]
You two really should be enjoying long soapy baths into the wee hours while you turn each other on with whispered lies about Reagan and Palin.
Jim from KC -- Gene, all American Union retired (PRIVATE SECTOR) Bridgeman™, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 5:15:02 [1] Coupla salient points to add to your post;
It is a fact that money wasn't given to big business to ship jobs overseas by the reagan administration, but they double crossed him and took money that was supposed to give them a competitive edge and create jobs and transferred entire manufacturing operations ether to Mexico or overseas.one of the major reasons there is no private pension system is part of that double cross included clueless Ron Raygone helping change the rules on pension liquidity and asset management. Part of the grand strategery of trick-le downs economy that the less fortunate are now experiencing now.
These are the same kinds of assholes who have been guilty of stealing on a massive scale and driving good companies in the ground while pocketing millions in phony bonuses. at the same time destroying the vibrant middle class that was the economic engine of this country. As we read here constantly some of our forum buddies remain clueless as to their new trickle downs economic status (as semi-slave labor, working until they can’t any more)
Whole segments of our manufacturing have left our shores, not because they were not making money, just to increase profits with defacto slave labor. In this trick-le downs economy significant R&D work in so many areas is being done overseas. The next big boom (that COULD have saved this country economically (energy development) is being done overseas. Unfortunately for us we still have flat earth morons here supporting pandering politicians that mouth the “drill baby drill” non-sense as an energy strategery that will be our future economic engine. The dum dumms and their political numbnutz are a self perpetuating cycle supporting each other’s stupidity and ignorance denying the reality of the situation.
Frosty -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 4:56:15 [1]
We don't have to worry about such things as black thugs mugging people in Denver. One Denver city councilwoman is even more worried about WHITE gangs in Denver! I believe she watched "Lords of Flatbush" one too many times.
Frosty -- Roadking, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 4:53:16 [1]
Thank GOD for global warming. The weather service predicted -13F for a low and I awakened this morning (earlier than normal so I could plug my engine heater in for long enough to get the darn thing started this morning) to find that it's only -11F! Darn that rascally global warming!!! I think I'll wear my Speedo to work this morning!!!!
Note: I apologize to all and sundry who have gotten physically ill due to the mental image or Roadking in a Speedo.
Voice, get some sleep -- Frosty the Thoroughly Frosted Snowman, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 3:57:07 [1]
Well! Well, well, well. It looks like the socialists are all blown out, their tongue flapping has sent them to bed. Not to worry! They will return to attack America and the truth in a few hours. Lies are their bread, more-lies are their butter, criminal is their game.
Might as well get some sleep Voice, the fight against lying socialists is not over yet, thieves will always be with us.
Voice -- Frosty the Frosted Snowman, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 3:52:54 [1]
"DENVER -- Black gangs roaming downtown Denver often vented their hatred for white victims before assaulting and robbing them"
Venting their leftist ignorance is what they were doing, raised as socialists, no more is expected of them. They cannot think for themselves, they have been taught to steal and kill for no reason other than to make a more miserable society for all.
It is true! -- Frosty the Frosted Snowman, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 3:48:50 [1]
Don't worry about Leftist Oreilly, his credibility is shot, like Achilles, he jumped on the socialist bandwagon. Does he not feed, then go on to bray like a socialist feeding on phony data? He does, he does. He should join the Three Sociopathmen in the Blizzard, they could be called The Four Norsemen, The Four Off-Coursemen. Or Four Frozen Dipsticks.
It is true! -- Frosty the Snowman, Wed, Dec 09 2009, 3:43:41 [1]
There is NO global warming!Achilles lies from his Kalifornyah beach
Perverted science, lying scientists, lying politicians, and money grubbing dolts like Al the Gore, are behind the false science and theft. Yes, theft! It can be called nothing else. It is an ongoing criminal enterprise. These "people" (criminal insects and predatrory aliens) should be prosecuted under the RICCO statutes and sent to prison for their own well being. They are criminals.
Old Achilles should be out in the blizzard raging across the midwwest, it would do him good to have the FALSE "facts" blown out of his head by the wind. Might clear his faulty beliefs, surely he would come to doubt his chosen religion, socialim as he sees it. Surely he would. Do Gene a world of good also. Why don't you tag along Bill, of course if Gene goes, Bill goes.
Forum -- Voice, Tue, Dec 08 2009, 23:43:03 [1]
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I could only take about 40 minutes of the Glenn Beck TV show, today. I say that he had better do something about how boring he is becoming.
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