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Subject: MARIJUANA & DEPRESSION: What comes first??


Author:
The Future Grandmaster
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Date Posted: 12:20:39 07/20/01 Fri
For the past year and half or so of my life I have been trying to answer this one very question. I have been going through crazy battles with depression for the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.

On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every single time... It never fails to come back and I don't know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.

Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!

I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to quit?!

When people out there say how pot is so harmless and is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse to rationolize our smoking.

Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana + addiction = depression.

Thanks!!
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Author:
AggroDude
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Date Posted: 21:15:58 08/10/01 Fri
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!

Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet I couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a girlfriend).
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Author:
Peter
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Date Posted: 09:49:11 11/30/01 Fri
I know what u're talking about Friend, I'm looking for the same sort of reply u're after...i think it's our marijuana which is taking it's hit on us mate....

>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>
>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet I
>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>girlfriend).
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Author:
Aaron K. Clark
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Date Posted: 21:51:20 12/17/01 Mon
I know exaclty what you mean guys. Depression for me usually comes about a week after I smoke a couple times, and
last from one to three months.

I just wish I would have realized it sooner.

Aaron K. Clark
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Author:
Dave M
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Date Posted: 22:11:20 08/25/02 Sun
>I know what u're talking about Friend, I'm looking for
>the same sort of reply u're after...i think it's our
>marijuana which is taking it's hit on us mate....
>
>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>finally
>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>don't
>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>
>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>sense
>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>
>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>of
>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>quit?!
>>>
>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>
>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>who
>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>addiction = depression.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet I
>>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>>girlfriend).

My advice is to don't buy the weed.
That will solve the marijuana problem.
Keep trying medication and a therapist and use your willpower, whatever it takes.
Good Luck!

Dave M
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Author:
Mary-jane
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Date Posted: 10:18:19 01/15/03 Wed
Hey... I have the same exact problem... right now, i am talking to a councelor b/c of my depression and it is so hard b/c of my age, 16(almost 17!) but... I am trying to cope with the fact that when people do say that marijuana is harmless, I know for a fact that i is not harmless. I was actually smoking one night with a friend, and next thing you know , i'm hyperventalating and was shaking, and i really thought i was going to just pass out and die right there, that night. I was rushed to the emergency room, and the day after, i started becoming very depressed. Now I suffer from this depression that is really just so scary. And I just wish I was the old me ... happy.
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Author:
Jim P
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Date Posted: 17:13:26 02/06/03 Thu
I understood your fear when I read your article on Marijuana and depression. Pot caused me to lose my sanity back in the 70's, or at least contributed greatly. I started smoking rather late for my generation, in the late 60's, and was a heavy pot smoker, and at the same time, very introspective. When I was stoned, paranoid thoughts would creep in, and cause me to be very self crytical. I was stoned as often as possible, and smoked so much, that my fingers were brown from the resin. I was hooked. Of course, back then addiction was denied by all sources of youth information.
Unfortunately, there was no help forthcoming, because all the hip people, and "liberated" intelectuals that I traveled with seemed immune from my symptoms.
( They really weren't - but I thought so )
I didn't understand my pattern of smoking, getting lost in self loathing introspection, and repeating it over and over. One night, I met a girl, and I cheated on my long standing girl friend . . . . that caused me to suffere a nervous breakdown, which, although it was over 30 years ago, still effects me. I went through total hell for years, all the while getting loaded. Being loaded was not fun anymore, in fact, often it was terrifying because of the increased paranoia and depressive tendency caused by my breakdown. Yet I smoked on, because I was addicted to it. I was a basket case for years. I get the willies writing this to you . . .that's how bad it was. To make a long story short, I smoked my last joint in 1986, and I immediately suffered a relapse of my mental collapse ( not as bad this time ), and it was like my eyes were opened about pots roll in the original breakdown, and my impaired judgement.
My advice to you is " RUN FROM THAT SHIT!" Don't smoke marijuana.
Hope this helped

JP
California
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Author:
Bonnie
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Date Posted: 12:02:03 02/12/03 Wed
Hi everyone, just wanted to add my thoughts and experiences with you. My best advice is to firmly choose to leave it alone. I have smoked almost constantly for the 2 years following the death of my partner. At the time I rationalised that I was self-medicating, to block things out. the problem is that in the end you get caught in an unprogressive state. There just isn't any energy to handle the things you've been running from so you just smoke up some more to avoid it. I am sure there are some people out there who smoke occasionally because they actually enjoy it. I reckon if you are feeling depressed smoking is sure not going to help. It is hard to break through the old patterns of avoidance but it is really important to give yourself the chance to get clearer without the smoke. Lately I really don't do it so much at all. It is a process though the best thing is to stop thinking about it like some harmless leisure activity. Recognise it as being a genuine drug problem, even if thinking of dope that way isn't exactly the most common thing to do. If you had a problem with heroin or alcohol you would surely take it seriously! I say try some counselling, address the issue and at the centre of all that, make real progress towards cutting it out.
with lots of love and all good healing wishes for you all
Bonnie xxx
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Author:
Mongo
[Edit]
Date Posted: 03:50:22 03/10/03 Mon
>Hi everyone, just wanted to add my thoughts and
>experiences with you. My best advice is to firmly
>choose to leave it alone. I have smoked almost
>constantly for the 2 years following the death of my
>partner. At the time I rationalised that I was
>self-medicating, to block things out. the problem is
>that in the end you get caught in an unprogressive
>state. There just isn't any energy to handle the
>things you've been running from so you just smoke up
>some more to avoid it. I am sure there are some people
>out there who smoke occasionally because they actually
>enjoy it. I reckon if you are feeling depressed
>smoking is sure not going to help. It is hard to break
>through the old patterns of avoidance but it is really
>important to give yourself the chance to get clearer
>without the smoke. Lately I really don't do it so much
>at all. It is a process though the best thing is to
>stop thinking about it like some harmless leisure
>activity. Recognise it as being a genuine drug
>problem, even if thinking of dope that way isn't
>exactly the most common thing to do. If you had a
>problem with heroin or alcohol you would surely take
>it seriously! I say try some counselling, address the
>issue and at the centre of all that, make real
>progress towards cutting it out.
>with lots of love and all good healing wishes for you
>all
>Bonnie xxx

DID POT IN THE LATE 70'S FOR ONLY ONE SEMESTER IN COLLEGE...THE SEMESTER I ALMOST FLUNKED OUT AND ALMOST KILLED MYSELF DUE TO QUICK ONSET PERSISTENT DEPRESSION. A LITTLE ALCOHOL HAS NEVER TAKEN AWAY MY WILL TO SUCCEED OR MY WILL TO LIVE OR CAUSED DEPRESSION. POT WILL SCREW YOU UP BIG TIME!!!
ALL THE BEST
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Author:
JJ
[Edit]
Date Posted: 10:40:55 06/29/03 Sun
So everybody's writing to say quit the pot - that's all well & good . . . I think most of us are aware of that. But the question is how? It really is a double-edged sword. You smoke because you're depressed, and you're depressed because you smoke. Whichever came first doesn't matter but they clearly go hand-in-hand. Been doing it for about 10 years (more heavily as the years go by) and it's obviously pure escapism, but not having come across anything better on offer . . . it's just so easy to say, rather than do . . .


>>Hi everyone, just wanted to add my thoughts and
>>experiences with you. My best advice is to firmly
>>choose to leave it alone. I have smoked almost
>>constantly for the 2 years following the death of my
>>partner. At the time I rationalised that I was
>>self-medicating, to block things out. the problem is
>>that in the end you get caught in an unprogressive
>>state. There just isn't any energy to handle the
>>things you've been running from so you just smoke up
>>some more to avoid it. I am sure there are some people
>>out there who smoke occasionally because they actually
>>enjoy it. I reckon if you are feeling depressed
>>smoking is sure not going to help. It is hard to break
>>through the old patterns of avoidance but it is really
>>important to give yourself the chance to get clearer
>>without the smoke. Lately I really don't do it so much
>>at all. It is a process though the best thing is to
>>stop thinking about it like some harmless leisure
>>activity. Recognise it as being a genuine drug
>>problem, even if thinking of dope that way isn't
>>exactly the most common thing to do. If you had a
>>problem with heroin or alcohol you would surely take
>>it seriously! I say try some counselling, address the
>>issue and at the centre of all that, make real
>>progress towards cutting it out.
>>with lots of love and all good healing wishes for you
>>all
>>Bonnie xxx
>
>DID POT IN THE LATE 70'S FOR ONLY ONE SEMESTER IN
>COLLEGE...THE SEMESTER I ALMOST FLUNKED OUT AND ALMOST
>KILLED MYSELF DUE TO QUICK ONSET PERSISTENT
>DEPRESSION. A LITTLE ALCOHOL HAS NEVER TAKEN AWAY MY
>WILL TO SUCCEED OR MY WILL TO LIVE OR CAUSED
>DEPRESSION. POT WILL SCREW YOU UP BIG TIME!!!
>ALL THE BEST
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Author:
beltran
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Date Posted: 15:10:25 08/15/03 Fri
>But the question is how? You smoke because you're
>depressed, and you're depressed because you smoke.

Everyone I know (and im 41, i know several) sees a shrink and gets some meds until you stabalize. Then You can try to go off the meds.

BTW: THere is a GREAT PRODUCT you can get in a Health/Vitamin store called 5HTP. (Instead of being a seretonin reuptake inhibitor it actually helps you make the seretonin that you need). I went off Prozac and was even smokin (a *wee* bit) and all was well untill several external life crisis hit all and once and I went back to the Prozac out of fear. In retrospect, I should have stayed with the 5HTP and increased dosage a bit ... it was working THAT WELL !
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Author:
Elizabeth
[Edit]
Date Posted: 13:39:27 01/01/04 Thu
Very interesting I am always trying to come off of my meds and start something natural instead. I am 26 and was diagnosed by a therapist for anxiety/depression. I really wanted to help myself by doing Yoga and my doctor had recommended Paxil. Even some of my friends said what an improvement it made. I felt much better. Then it started to wear off and I had to increase the dose... I didn't like the side effects. Right now I have seemed to slip into a deep depression. I wake up alot with an annoying headache. There has got to be a way to conquer this shit without taking this fucking medication. I have tried to stop Paxil unsuccessfully, and now the stupid psychiatrist is recommending to UP the dosage due to my depressive state. Does that make sense??
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Author:
o2K*Wabbit
[Edit]
Date Posted: 01:56:57 07/27/04 Tue
>Very interesting I am always trying to come off of my
>meds and start something natural instead. I am 26 and
>was diagnosed by a therapist for anxiety/depression.
>I really wanted to help myself by doing Yoga and my
>doctor had recommended Paxil. Even some of my friends
>said what an improvement it made. I felt much better.
NOOOOO!!! Dont up the paxil!!! I swear. I took it as well and it did more harm than good. Damn!!! You posted this a long time ago and I hope this catch's you in time. For some people, if paxil begins to wear off even after a little upage on the dosage it is believed to do more harm than good and cause serious problems. Sounds to me that your shrink is experimenting with you or has not a clue as to what they are doing. Stop taking the paxil!!! Rely on your exercise and strong will to stop.

> Then it started to wear off and I had to increase the
>dose... I didn't like the side effects. Right now I
>have seemed to slip into a deep depression. I wake up
>alot with an annoying headache. There has got to be a
>way to conquer this shit without taking this fucking
>medication. I have tried to stop Paxil
>unsuccessfully, and now the stupid psychiatrist is
>recommending to UP the dosage due to my depressive
>state. Does that make sense??
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Author:
kevin cicarella
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Date Posted: 23:20:07 07/14/04 Wed
hello to anyone who reads this. My name is kevin, i'm 15 and i'm addicted to marajuana. i have 2 older brothers about 10 years older and they used/use marajuana. when they did it and iwas little imade a promise never to smke. well here i am addicted and very deppressed. i cant tell my parents because i dont want to puteveryone through all that. i sit at my houseall day not doing anything and i havent gone to a friends house all summer nore have i done anything with anyone all summer. sometimes i sit and wonder why this happend to me. I AM BEGGING ANYONE OUT THERE WHO READS THIS, PLEASE,PLEASE HELP ME.
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Author:
Barb
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Date Posted: 07:35:32 08/20/03 Wed
I do smoke frequently. And i guess theres a time when you wonder whats the point. I don't go through monthly and/or weekly depression. BUt sometimes i just do things that don't make sence. Even when i'm sober. I never made irrational desisons like these before i started smoking up so thats the only cause i can think of. I don't like me anymore... and it's like theres nothing i can do... i just get pulled back into the irrational desisons and drugs. I also find that now i want to hurt myself because thats real. because i can FEEL that. i used to cut myself cause i liked the way it felt... not i get peircings everytime i make a bad choice or if i regret something because that brings me back to real life. If you would like to email me it would be greatly appreciated... because i know i'm going to log offline... forget about all this mess, smoke my morning doobie, go out try to find a new drug for that new trip, tell my friends everything is just fine, and if someone was to remind me i wrote this, it would bring me back.... but i guess this really dosen't matter to anyone but me...
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Author:
anne
[Edit]
Date Posted: 10:33:21 08/20/04 Fri
>I do smoke frequently. And i guess theres a time when
>you wonder whats the point. I don't go through monthly
>and/or weekly depression. BUt sometimes i just do
>things that don't make sence. Even when i'm sober. I
>never made irrational desisons like these before i
>started smoking up so thats the only cause i can think
>of. I don't like me anymore... and it's like theres
>nothing i can do... i just get pulled back into the
>irrational desisons and drugs. I also find that now i
>want to hurt myself because thats real. because i can
>FEEL that. i used to cut myself cause i liked the way
>it felt... not i get peircings everytime i make a bad
>choice or if i regret something because that brings me
>back to real life. If you would like to email me it
>would be greatly appreciated... because i know i'm
>going to log offline... forget about all this mess,
>smoke my morning doobie, go out try to find a new drug
>for that new trip, tell my friends everything is just
>fine, and if someone was to remind me i wrote this, it
>would bring me back.... but i guess this really
>dosen't matter to anyone but me...
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Author:
rob
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Date Posted: 09:23:21 08/22/04 Sun
Have you ever tried anything like exercise or other hobbies. I find when I do something I like or start a project and finish it it gives me selfgratification replacing the drug feeling. I used to smoke.... it was well and good and all but it started to make me self critical. Its hard to stop when all your friends smoke but I will get through it. Just always remember MArijuana is a forein thing for your body,,and your body is your temple so treat it as best as you can. good luck barb
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Author:
P
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Date Posted: 19:34:57 01/24/03 Fri
Hey brother,
Don't worry you're not alone out there. I'm 21 years old and have smoked marijuana for 6 years now, everyday for about 4.5 years. A year ago I found myself unable to concentrate in school, I was drained of energy, and did nothing but smoke and sleep. I finally seeked out help from a doctor at school. He put me on Paxil to help me cope. He also recommended I quit marijuana. I never did, but at least I now only smoke about once a day. After 3 months on the Paxil I began to feel much better. I remained on it for another 4 months and eased off it. That was about 4 month ago now, and I fear that it is happening all over again. I want to know if it is the marijuana, or if the two are unrelated. I feel they are though because my anxiety and depression heightens when I smoke. I also wonder if it is seasonal depression. Anyways, you're not alone. Anybody that has any suggestions please feel free to respond.

P
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Author:
foaming squirrel
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:30:56 01/03/02 Thu
>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>
>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet I
>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>girlfriend).
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Author:
justagirl
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Date Posted: 10:27:06 05/01/03 Thu
Hello! I just figured I'd write because I have a few things to say about marijuana smoking. I am addicted to marijuana I have tried to quit so many times but never have gone through with it.It's auctaully kind of hard.Some people think it's not possible to be addicted to pot but they're wrong. They say "it's all in your head" "you just don't have any will power" I really don't know how to go about˙
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Author:
LYDIA HERNANDEZ
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:01:35 08/08/04 Sun
I'AM GUNNA SMOKE WEED FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!! I'AM IN LOVE!! SET THIS NATION FREE LEGALIZE THE TREE!!
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Author:
a lady
[Edit]
Date Posted: 11:27:04 06/05/03 Thu
Hi there, When I read your letter, I almost felt like I was reading about myself. I have been smoking pot for the last 4 years and have been dealing with depression spells for the last 2 years, and it seems like the more I smoke the more depressed I feel. I dont' know how to go about stopping, I really want to. And you're right it is just an excuse.



>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>finally
>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>don't
>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>
>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>sense
>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>
>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>of
>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>quit?!
>>>
>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>
>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>who
>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>addiction = depression.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet I
>>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>>girlfriend).
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Author:
william jones
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:10:06 09/21/03 Sun
Hi
I was diagnosed w/dpression about 12 yrs ago. I have tried
effexor & zoloft. Zoloft works best 4 me. My DR. says I have a paradoxical response to MaryJane, Coffee, etc. I other words part of a cup of decaff coffee ( still has caffeine 10/16 mg) makes me yawn about 30 minutes after consuming. Regular coffee makes the depression/ withdrawl/ etc MUCH MUCH worse. I smoke a few (2-5) bongs of really good weed a day, primarily to help me think. I can not smoke b4
bed as it gives me a huge buzz & i can't sleep.

I have found several nutritional aids to be very helpful getting DEEP restful SLEEP. The anti depressants make my sleep very "thin". I use cal/mag supplement I get from My chiropractor. Nothing works as good, and I can notice the difference. There are a few others that I get at the health food store.
CHECK OUT YOUR CAFFEINE CONSUMPTION!!! Avoiding makes A HUGE difference in How I feel.

Any one who has a real addiction will need to go to AA for weed or ask for help from GOD


LOL
Mr bill
e with questions
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Author:
Robert
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:43:02 07/21/04 Wed

Hello:
Somebody please tell me how people stop smoking pot.
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Author:
j a
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:13:19 01/06/04 Tue
I think that this phenomena, marijuana and depresssion, is a common problem with people addicted to marijuana. I read the stories below and they match fairly closely my own situation. I've been smoking dope for about 3 years now and I realize how it has changed my state of mind. In fact, this very minute I'm rip roarin' ripped. Anyway, I find I have become a lot more reclusive, and depressed when I'm not high. I realize that it has become a problem but I can't seem to give it up. Thinking about it makes me feel like a loser, which feeds the poor self-esteem... it's kind of a vicious cycle. So what does it take to give it up? Personally, I think I need something to motivate me to quit. Or maybe I need to have some kind of spirtual epiphany. Ultimately, there must be a solution. The fact of the matter is, we have free will. It is only me that can change the way that I am. I choose to smoke weed, and this is the way life is for me. My life was better when I didn't smoke weed. I was much happier when I didn't smoke weed. So, it is logical that if I were to stop smoking weed, my life would become better. I believe that I am addicted to the drug, and that is why I smoke it every day. Breaking the addiction requires will-power, and the realization that the ill-feelings (depression, anxiety, bitchiness) are side-effects of withdrawal. Having said all that, you can see that I've put a lot of thought into it. I think my reasoning is sound; however, my biggest problem is that I have no will power. Although, since I'm going to all the trouble of thinking about it right now and writing about it, I might as well at least try to make some kind of effort. Think, all that time that I just wasted writing all of the above, I could've used doing something more useful if I wasn't such a pot-head. The plan is simple. No dope until after 7pm every night. That will be my goal for 1 week. After one week I will re-evaluate the situation, and decide then if I should change the plan or keep it. Slowly, I will regain myself. I know that I can do it. I KNOW that I can do it.

I am in control of myself. My conscience tells me what is right and what is wrong. I know intuitively that it is wrong to steal and wrong to kill... my intuition tells me that smoking weed is also wrong. If I believe nothing else, I should at least believe myself. I know what is right and what is wrong, so I am sinning against myself when I deliberately do that which I feel is wrong. Is it any wonder that I have such a poor self-esteem? I'm ready to help myself. Now I've said it, now I've got to do it.





>Hi there, When I read your letter, I almost felt like
>I was reading about myself. I have been smoking pot
>for the last 4 years and have been dealing with
>depression spells for the last 2 years, and it seems
>like the more I smoke the more depressed I feel. I
>dont' know how to go about stopping, I really want to.
> And you're right it is just an excuse.
>
>
>
>>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>>finally
>>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>>don't
>>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>>
>>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10
>joints
>>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A
>depression
>>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>>sense
>>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>>
>>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I
>don't
>>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>>of
>>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>>quit?!
>>>>
>>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>>who
>>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>>addiction = depression.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!!
>>>
>>>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>>>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet
>I
>>>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>>>girlfriend).
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Author:
j a
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:15:03 01/06/04 Tue
>I think that this phenomena, marijuana and depresssion, is a common problem with people addicted to marijuana. I read the stories below and they match fairly closely my own situation. I've been smoking dope for about 3 years now and I realize how it has changed my state of mind. In fact, this very minute I'm rip roarin' ripped. Anyway, I find I have become a lot more reclusive, and depressed when I'm not high. I realize that it has become a problem but I can't seem to give it up. Thinking about it makes me feel like a loser, which feeds the poor self-esteem... it's kind of a vicious cycle. So what does it take to give it up? Personally, I think I need something to motivate me to quit. Or maybe I need to have some kind of spirtual epiphany. Ultimately, there must be a solution. The fact of the matter is, we have free will. It is only me that can change the way that I am. I choose to smoke weed, and this is the way life is for me. My life was better when I didn't smoke weed. I was much happier when I didn't smoke weed. So, it is logical that if I were to stop smoking weed, my life would become better. I believe that I am addicted to the drug, and that is why I smoke it every day. Breaking the addiction requires will-power, and the realization that the ill-feelings (depression, anxiety, bitchiness) are side-effects of withdrawal. Having said all that, you can see that I've put a lot of thought into it. I think my reasoning is sound; however, my biggest problem is that I have no will power. Although, since I'm going to all the trouble of thinking about it right now and writing about it, I might as well at least try to make some kind of effort. Think, all that time that I just wasted writing all of the above, I could've used doing something more useful if I wasn't such a pot-head. The plan is simple. No dope until after 7pm every night. That will be my goal for 1 week. After one week I will re-evaluate the situation, and decide then if I should change the plan or keep it. Slowly, I will regain myself. I know that I can do it. I KNOW that I can do it.

I am in control of myself. My conscience tells me what is right and what is wrong. I know intuitively that it is wrong to steal and wrong to kill... my intuition tells me that smoking weed is also wrong. If I believe nothing else, I should at least believe myself. I know what is right and what is wrong, so I am sinning against myself when I deliberately do that which I feel is wrong. Is it any wonder that I have such a poor self-esteem? I'm ready to help myself. Now I've said it, now I've got to do it.


Hi there, When I read your letter, I almost felt like
>I was reading about myself. I have been smoking pot
>for the last 4 years and have been dealing with
>depression spells for the last 2 years, and it seems
>like the more I smoke the more depressed I feel. I
>dont' know how to go about stopping, I really want to.
> And you're right it is just an excuse.
>
>
>
>>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>>finally
>>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>>don't
>>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>>
>>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10
>joints
>>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A
>depression
>>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>>sense
>>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>>
>>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I
>don't
>>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>>of
>>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>>quit?!
>>>>
>>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>>who
>>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>>addiction = depression.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!!
>>>
>>>Marijuana=depression, it's a depressive(I know you
>>>know). I've got the same problem with alchohol, yet
>I
>>>couldn't live without it(well maybe if I had a
>>>girlfriend).
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Author:
Francois
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:27:11 12/09/02 Mon
I've been smoking for the past 3 years the last year and a half I began smoking dope alot (5-6 joints a day).
Marijuana was sweet at first but after a while it began catching up to me.

I also became hectic depressed. I thought I had depression because of my best friend's death. I became more of a introvert and I used to be a extrovert. I also had cycles of depression the same as you.Now after quiting I feel alot better... it feels as if a burden has been removed from my shoulders.

Marijuana on short-term basis won't cause depression but chronic use can lead to depression ...

Chronic smoking = depression
Chronic smoking also causes anxiety , insomnia and paranoia.

Because of the chronic smoking of marijuana the anti-depressants won't work.
An anti-depressant + depressant = 0

The use of any drug on a long-term basis causes problems - emotional and physical.

Francois
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Author:
Alisa
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:09:39 02/06/03 Thu
I have been a big fan of marijuana for 4-5 years now. Ive never had any problems, and it infact solved two major problems for me: O.C.D and depression. As of 6 months ago I have been clean all due to the fact that it, along with caffine causes me masssive panic attacks. Now I should deffinatly tell you that this happened in the midst of the 5 most deviststing things that could ever happen to a person which caused my heart and mind much pain. Ive tried many different medications including xanax, zoloft, and paxil. Im now on Effexor which helps alot with my depression and attacks. But things are hard now. I love the feeling pot gave me. Can I ever smoke again painlessly? Would hypnosis solve any problems? Someone please reply!
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Author:
alisa
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:11:06 02/06/03 Thu
>I have been a big fan of marijuana for 4-5 years now.
>Ive never had any problems, and it infact solved two
>major problems for me: O.C.D and depression. As of 6
>months ago I have been clean all due to the fact that
>it, along with caffine causes me masssive panic
>attacks. Now I should deffinatly tell you that this
>happened in the midst of the 5 most deviststing things
>that could ever happen to a person which caused my
>heart and mind much pain. Ive tried many different
>medications including xanax, zoloft, and paxil. Im now
>on Effexor which helps alot with my depression and
>attacks. But things are hard now. I love the feeling
>pot gave me. Can I ever smoke again painlessly? Would
>hypnosis solve any problems? Someone please reply! Samster10@hotmail.com
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Author:
A
[Edit]
Date Posted: 13:44:45 01/01/04 Thu
I have never done pot but I do have depression and anxiety I am still on Paxil. How is that Effexor. I've done some research and the one thing I don't like is that both Paxil and Effexor both have very harsh withdrawal symptoms. What do you think/recommend?
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Author:
plain_james
[Edit]
Date Posted: 05:39:30 03/08/03 Sat
Francois is suffering from an unfortunate case of ignorance. He says that anti-depressant + depressant = 0. What he fails to realize is that the term anti-depressant refers to a mood (depression) and the term depressant refers to an effect on the central nervous system. an anti-depressant is NOT the opposite of a depressant ("downer") - a STIMULANT or "upper" is the opposite. anti-depressants and depressants have NO relation whatsoever. Just thought I'd better clear this up before more people go around spouting misinformation and presenting it as fact.
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Author:
o2K*Wabbit
[Edit]
Date Posted: 03:00:15 07/27/04 Tue
Lets clear up your info. MJ (pot) is a halucinogen. Your welcome.

>Francois is suffering from an unfortunate case of
>ignorance. He says that anti-depressant + depressant
>= 0. What he fails to realize is that the term
>anti-depressant refers to a mood (depression) and the
>term depressant refers to an effect on the central
>nervous system. an anti-depressant is NOT the
>opposite of a depressant ("downer") - a STIMULANT or
>"upper" is the opposite. anti-depressants and
>depressants have NO relation whatsoever. Just thought
>I'd better clear this up before more people go around
>spouting misinformation and presenting it as fact.
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Author:
Hippy Girl
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:58:52 12/13/03 Sat
Marijuana dose not = Depresion
That's my respons to your article. As a marijuana user and knowing many others that smoke I know. You say you smoked 5-10 Joints a day. First of all you would need to be rich and maybe you are but I don't know anybody that smokes that much EVERY DAY for a year let alone four. Second of all you say you have the same problem with alcohol. Hello, maybe that's whats causing it. Third marijuana is not dope herion is dope get your terminolagy right. If your really smok pot you know NOT to ask someone to:"Can you get me a bag of dope",or say " I got some dope" or especialy "Let smoke some dope." You would never say these things because you would be using heroin not marijuana. Fourth "deep down inside we are just rationolize our smoking" so everyone who smokes pot is addicted? Sorry, hon, marijuana is only mentaly addicting if even that. You want to quit you will quit. That's the way it works. No withdraw or puking or shaking. You quit you quit. So don't make it sound like it's a disease or physical addiction. Personaly I feel that your storie is fake. Put on the internet to make kids think marijuana is bad for you. Just like the other pointless stories out there. As well as the information about how pot is bad for you. Wheres the proof? There never is any. Besides marijuana is being use for medical resons. Even DEPRESSION. With facts. Besides 18-20 million americans are diagnosed with depression every year! Maybe you just fit in that 20 million people. I personaly know people that are "depressed" some smoke pot and some don't. Thoses that do smoke pot do have a clinical reason for being depressed weather it be genetic or some other clinical reason. No cases are from smoking pot . Smoking actually helps them in many ways . Go do some researh.
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Author:
steph
[Edit]
Date Posted: 04:52:14 01/05/04 Mon
>Marijuana dose not = Depresion
>That's my respons to your article. As a marijuana user
>and knowing many others that smoke I know. You say you
>smoked 5-10 Joints a day. First of all you would
>need to be rich and maybe you are but I don't know
>anybody that smokes that much EVERY DAY for a year let
>alone four. Second of all you say you have the same
>problem with alcohol. Hello, maybe that's whats
>causing it. Third marijuana is not dope herion is dope
>get your terminolagy right. If your really smok pot
>you know NOT to ask someone to:"Can you get me a bag
>of dope",or say " I got some dope" or especialy "Let
>smoke some dope." You would never say these things
>because you would be using heroin not marijuana.
>Fourth "deep down inside we are just rationolize our
>smoking" so everyone who smokes pot is addicted?
>Sorry, hon, marijuana is only mentaly addicting if
>even that. You want to quit you will quit. That's the
>way it works. No withdraw or puking or shaking. You
>quit you quit. So don't make it sound like it's a
>disease or physical addiction. Personaly I feel that
>your storie is fake. Put on the internet to make kids
>think marijuana is bad for you. Just like the other
>pointless stories out there. As well as the
>information about how pot is bad for you. Wheres the
>proof? There never is any. Besides marijuana is being
>use for medical resons. Even DEPRESSION. With facts.
>Besides 18-20 million americans are diagnosed with
>depression every year! Maybe you just fit in that 20
>million people. I personaly know people that are
>"depressed" some smoke pot and some don't. Thoses that
>do smoke pot do have a clinical reason for being
>depressed weather it be genetic or some other clinical
>reason. No cases are from smoking pot . Smoking
>actually helps them in many ways . Go do some researh.


You do seem very intelligent, yet a little narrow minded. That's okay :) I have personally smoked marijuana for 2 years straight, every day, sometimes several times a day. I am in no way physically addicted to it. I can stop for a couple days and my body has no physical need for it. The only thing is, when you smoke every day, the euphoric state that comes with smoking marijuana becomes more a 'norm' than an occasional high. It's a form of escapism where your mind doesn't need to deal with... well... anything. So you *do* come to feel a need to be in this euphoric state where everything feels good and there are no problems. This is usually a sign of being unhappy with your life in general, not a sign of addiction to marijuana itself. This is why people become alcoholics, this is why people smoke every day. *shrug*

I'm happy it helps people with medical problems, I support legalizing marijuana, and I also support informing everyone about the ups & downs of marijuana. It should be treated much like alcohol is (which is unfortunately more dangerous for your health than marijuana). It should be a regulated social activity to be enjoyed on 'occasion', not abused or used as a crutch.

I stopped smoking a couple days ago. I'm ok so far. I will not let it control my life (or lack of life) anymore. I may smoke again eventually (on occasion), but not now, I have a life to live.
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Author:
DAVE ROWLANDS
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:22:05 01/22/04 Thu
lmao . sounds like someones in denial. mj is dope and is addictive wether it be mentaly or not, anything you cant put down and say no too is addictive. b4 you go calling ppl liers get some facts yourself . i smoke more then 10 joints a day and no im not rich . it is a plant that is easily grown . i have been smoking for 25 years at an alarming rate . ive tried hipnotheripy and lots of other ways to stop smoking .its not easy .i had a shit child hood . raped asulted and ridiculed and found my hiding place inside a bong at 13 years old . it hasnt solved anything just pushed the problems to the back of my mind and now its all come to a head. the depression and anxiety are to much for me now . i have made appointments at a mental health clinic and a drug and alcahol clinic . I NEED MY LIFE BACK . have took efexor for past 6 years and they did help for a while but like everything you get amuned to it and need more. i hope one day someone will find an answer to this illness that most ppl tend to ignore as an excuse to pull outta life cos i want to get life back .DEPRESSION IS A REAL ILLNESS THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY = IT IS KILLING TO MANY PPL AND NOT ENOUGH IS DONE ABOUT IT . GOOD LUCK TO ALL TRYING TO KICK THE DOPE HABBIT . AND TO ALL WITH DEPRESSION . YOUR REALY NOT ALONE , THERE ARE MILLIONS OF US .
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Author:
shady lady from oz
[Edit]
Date Posted: 19:24:43 08/26/04 Thu
ive been smoking marijuana every day for the last 6 years and it most definately has contributed to my unstable mental health. everyone i know who smokes pot has been, or is currently taking anti-depressants. they call it the "soft" drug, but it is a silent killer. i dont know how many people have killed themselves due to pot-related depression but im sure there are a lot. i am extremely paranoid & have no self confidence left. the slightest things bring me to tears & i hardly ever go out & socialise any more. when i think of how much time & money ive wasted on pot it makes me sick to my stomach. pot may not trigger a mental reaction in every user, & it may even help some people deal with their issues, but as far as im concerned it is a lot more dangerous than it is given credit for. some people can handle it, some people cant. im one of the ones who cant. ive been 2 days without a smoke as im writing this. hopefully my personality and cheer will return in time, but i am certainly not the same person i was 6 years ago & i dont think i ever will be... there is no history of mental illness in my family, so i can only assume that my years of partying & chilling out in front of the tv every night with a few bongs is the reason behind my unhappiness. all i can say is BE CAREFUL!!! i just turned 28 & have acheived nothing in my life. there is always someone else who is better off than you are, but dont let marijuana be the reason why.
[> Subject: Re: MARIJUANA & DEPRESSION: What comes first??


Author:
CANNIBISALIZED
[Edit]
Date Posted: 08:47:23 01/18/02 Fri
I am right there with you man, I have the same exact symptoms! O have battled with various forms of addiction in my life, alcohol, cocaine, and Crystal Meth mainly. I have kicked all of those other habits in favor of the "harmless cannibis". I have been smoking steadily for about 4 1/2 years now, and I have been through every rationalization that there is out there.....and I am ready stop the BS.....but it is SOOOOO hard. All else in my life is outstanding, and I really have no "justification" to continue smoking, and I have started the battle.
I tried to quit cold turkey, and found that the anxiety I experienced was all but unbearable, and I became a BEAR to be around.... and so I slipped back into my daily use, morning and night, before and after, and if possible DURING work.
I am now attempting to simply limit myself and wean myself gradually.... I am limiting myself to weekends, and I find that having something to look forward to gets me through the first couple of days of the week, but it seems a delicate wire to walk....and I could easily buy a bigger bag and be a daily smoker again at the drop of a hat.

I am no loser......I make 6 figures, live in a 5,000 square foot home (my own), have 2 nice cars, 2 wonderful children, and a great wife who doesn't have to work....but the pot is making me feel like the biggest dirtbag, because I am so dependant on it at this point to maintain a happy/sociable attitude.

I find it is the patterns that are the hardest to break....and that is when the anxiety occurs....when I am in my office thinking of other things....I have no problem. When I get off the train and get in my car and that bowl is not packed.......that is when the anxiety starts.

Probably not much help, but you and I are not alone....

>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
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Author:
Brandon (Q.B)
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:52:07 08/14/02 Wed
I've been smoking mary jane for approximately 8 years now. It is very important to note that there are 2 types of week. 1)Seiss and 2)Hydro aka(Hydroponics) Most will agree that hydro is a much more potent type of weed especially because most types of hydro are laced with chemicals. I have smoked so much weed in my life it's really hard to keep track. However, I've noticed from my own experiences that the effects are mostly only short term. Loss of short term memory, increased appetite ect... However after a week or so from refraining from smoking weed, my motivation and memory all come back. I really think it's all mental. If you think it will do damage then it will, if you don't it won't. The mind is a very powerful tool!
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Author:
JC
[Edit]
Date Posted: 11:57:48 04/16/03 Wed
I have to agree with Brandon 100%. I have been there and smoked for at least as long a Brandon. I smoke no more. It is all mental. Try looking forward to some other form of activity. Belive me, the grip that pot has on you is so much weaker than you think. It is the mental addiction that affects you. You will come back after a few weeks and wonder why you even had to do it soooo often. Now heck, i imagine taking a toke even now and again when after a pressure packed day, but even that feeling evaporates after a few minutes or so. Just get of it. You have your family to think about.
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Author:
michelle g
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Date Posted: 10:03:40 02/20/02 Wed
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!

Hi. I just read your message and foung that I feel the exact same way. I have been smoking pot for the past 9 years. At first, just recreationally, then gradually more and more until now I am completely dependant on it. I have also been battling with depression for the last 4 years. Presently I am taking Effexor, I have been trying different anti-depressants -as per my Dr.- due to the negative side effects. The major side effect of the anti-depressants is decreased sex drive.
I am getting married in 2 months but my relationship seems really shitty to me right now. We have a horrible sex life, mostly due to me NEVER WANTING TO DO IT! -because of the anti-depressants, and also because I am too tired because of the marijuana! My fiance also HATES it when I smoke pot.

I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in your feelings of marijuana use=depression. I am just starting to realize this myself but can't just QUIT smoking pot. It's part of my life.
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Author:
nick
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Date Posted: 23:18:20 04/19/02 Fri
my situation is very similar to the two ive just read, ive been smoking for the past 5 years and i too have problems with depression, i am on effexor for the past 2 or 3 years and im trying despritly to get off it, the horrible side effects are too much, i also go threw 2 week or so periods of fealing ok, then drop horribly down into deppression for 2 weeks. I have realized that marijuana is a large candidate for my depression, not dirrectly responsible, but it seems to go like this...

when the depression weeks deside to come back, i am tired, slow, sleep all day. this is also what happens to me from marijuana, when i start to "spirle down" i belive the marijuana adds heavily or can even jump start the whole situation, if that makes any sense

if not, think of it like this, its kinda like throwing wood into a fire which is already burning, it just makes it worse

of course marijuana is so sweet and delicious who can stay mad at her. not me. as for now i am going to try to focus on getting of the effexor ASAP. ive tryed so many times always having to run back. but now i see i REALLY have to stop smokeing first, then come off the effexor, then maby see how my smokeing habbits effect me.

Effexor side effexts:
-im still trying to figure out what the fuck this is but when i dont take my effexor for even just 1 day i get this head-jolt, flash, "seasure-like" thing going on. this along with other anoyances such as
-always hungry
-bad sex drive
-horrible sight
-eyes hurt outside
-many more

one last thing to say... i recently was givin "Celexa" by my doctor in an atempt to help taper off effexor. Supidly i took her advise agaisnt my instinct and took my first celexa the same day as tapering down on effexor (remember one day gives me head jolt thing) well i felt just a little odd all day, couldnt quite put my finger on it but 12 hours later i smoked a weeeee bit of pot and sat there as i escilated to being very very fuck up... then it hit me very strong, a hidiously fast jolt into halucinations, EXACTLY like psylicobin mushrooms ive taken years ago, i mean this was exactly what happens when you eat mushrooms

needless to say i was very scared fore it escillated so quickly and the effect was acheved un-naturally. I quickly took effexor and waited as it slowly left. that was my one and only pill i took of celexa.. i told the doctor to fuck herself. I belive this happend from a mix of new drug (celexa) at the same time as a withdrawl of efexor, then the pot just knocked it all into place... advise- DONT EVER START EFFEXOR EVER !!!!!!
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Author:
Bella
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Date Posted: 14:57:09 10/31/02 Thu
My name is Bella, I'm 23. I smoke pot from the moment I get off work 'til my head hits the pillow. Somewhere along the lines I stopped using the drug, and it started using me. I realize that I love being high....to enhance that layed-back,happy disposition it gives all of us "glassy-eyed" smokers. I have always been told "my emotions run my life"but for the most part been pretty quick witted. although it has come to my attention its different now.

I have been smoking pot for about 4 years, and hadnt noticed too many changes 'til 1 Yr ago when I was put on effexor. Since I started taking this drug, I cant remember anything......(funny coming frm a pot smoker right?)but I tell u I cannot remember normal things, I use to when was still smoking pot and not taking effexor. Is this marijuana being mind-dulling over long usage, or effexor.

also when i dont take it for a day, i get shocking jolts through my body...does anyone else have this? Even my doctor looks at me like i am crazy...but she refuses to take me off, something about pot effecting how much of the effexor i am absorbing. screw doctors-i'll make my own decisions now, i just want to hear from people who are in this type of situations, can anyone help me?
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Author:
Gene
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Date Posted: 08:41:49 11/05/02 Tue
Bella,

My name is Gene I have been on EFFEXOR for four years and I know exactly what you are talking about. My situation is a little different, I am 30 yrs old business man that was put on effexor for anxiety, I started the first 6 months on 150mg and ever since my DR has me taking 450mg. I travel alot and sometimes forget my EFFEXOR and I get totaly FUCKED up! the JOLTS you feel I also experiance, as well as the feeling of falling backwards when I am walking forward. this goes on and gets worse until I take my pills.It freaks me out! I also feel sweaty and reality seems to be a dream. I dont like the feeling! I started smoking pot about 2 months ago because a friend convinced me that I should do the "natural thing" and get off the FUCKED UP PILLS! I feel great when I smoke and know am trying to get off the EFFEXOR. Do you know of any sites that may have the drug interactioncs of EFFEXOR and Marijuana? I am looking for more information. Please write me back and let me know what you think!! Thanks, Gene
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Author:
Diane
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Date Posted: 19:10:10 02/12/03 Wed
450mg of Effexor is TOO MUCH! There have only been studies done on dosages as high as 325mg. I was taking 525mg because I wasn't getting the effects I used to get on 300mg. When I called my Dr. to tell me she immediately had me come in to check my blood pressure. Too much Effexor can cause extremely high blood pressure and seizures. Over the long term that will cause some real damage. I'd talk to your doctor about your current dosage. And get your blood pressure checked ASAP.
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Author:
Cade
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Date Posted: 01:22:54 04/25/03 Fri
I smoke alot of weed. and i take effexor, i been doin it together for a year or 2 and im fine. but, since effexor blocks saratonin reuptake etc.. and from personal experience its a high blocker, you can still get high, just not as super stoned as you normaly would. since reducing my effexor, i save alot of money on weed. ive also started taking welbutrin instead of the effexors, dropping effexor 75 mg at a time so i dont get "the jolts"
dream world messed up felling, i was hoping to quit smoking cigarettes but so far wellbutrin (which is zyban) hasnt helped with that, but i do seem to be happier in general. peace

>450mg of Effexor is TOO MUCH! There have only been
>studies done on dosages as high as 325mg. I was
>taking 525mg because I wasn't getting the effects I
>used to get on 300mg. When I called my Dr. to tell me
>she immediately had me come in to check my blood
>pressure. Too much Effexor can cause extremely high
>blood pressure and seizures. Over the long term that
>will cause some real damage. I'd talk to your doctor
>about your current dosage. And get your blood
>pressure checked ASAP.
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Author:
garzo
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Date Posted: 20:20:01 11/05/02 Tue
>My name is Bella, I'm 23. I smoke pot from the moment
>I get off work 'til my head hits the pillow. Somewhere
>along the lines I stopped using the drug, and it
>started using me. I realize that I love being
>high....to enhance that layed-back,happy disposition
>it gives all of us "glassy-eyed" smokers. I have
>always been told "my emotions run my life"but for the
>most part been pretty quick witted. although it has
>come to my attention its different now.
>
>I have been smoking pot for about 4 years, and hadnt
>noticed too many changes 'til 1 Yr ago when I was put
>on effexor. Since I started taking this drug, I cant
>remember anything......(funny coming frm a pot smoker
>right?)but I tell u I cannot remember normal things, I
>use to when was still smoking pot and not taking
>effexor. Is this marijuana being mind-dulling over
>long usage, or effexor.
>
>also when i dont take it for a day, i get shocking
>jolts through my body...does anyone else have this?
>Even my doctor looks at me like i am crazy...but she
>refuses to take me off, something about pot effecting
>how much of the effexor i am absorbing. screw
>doctors-i'll make my own decisions now, i just want to
>hear from people who are in this type of situations,
>can anyone help me?


Bella, I just stopped taking all psychaitric medications (yes Effexor is a psychiatric medication) a couple of years ago after a fifteen year treatment which started out as a mind to moderate depression and thanks to multiples of various types of antidepresants, my condition turned into what was considered a bipolar rapid cycling condition, which my shrink told me was a life-long condition that would reduce me to living off disability payments. It took me a long tome to become clear headed enough to see that that it was the anbtidepresants that were causing 90% of the problem. I now use a light-box and exercise to control my moods and believe me it is much better now. What a difference sex is now without antidepresants circulating in my system. I have been left with a painful condition call trigeminal neuralgia which causes me horrific pain sometimes when I eat or brush my teeth... it is like the worst tootheach you will ever experience in your life. I never had this before I started taking a particular antidepresant that caused me weird jolts in my body near the end of the day. My advice to anyone who is taking antidepresants for any depression that is mild and doesn't involve suicidal thoughts... Get off of them now... and if your doctor says no; find another doctor asap. I am writing a book about my fifteen year ordeal with antidepresants that caused me to become unemployable and lose everything. The light-box is worth giving a try and exercise is really important, both of these in combination are far better than any antidepresant, I have ever had and I've had them all except for mirtazapine. Don't sweat the pot... If it works use it...( but don't get caught) It can't be as bad as antidepresants or mood-stablizers. all the best
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Author:
sandra
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Date Posted: 07:39:56 02/08/03 Sat

This is in reply to Bella and Gene and anyone else out there who are on medications for depression. POT WITH ANTI-DEPRESSANT MEDICATIONS CAN CAUSE SPHYCHOTIC EPISODES! You have to research them yourselves - these doctors get perks for prescribing these pills from pharmaceutical reps etc., Anyhoo - I would suggest getting off those meds ASAP that are causing you these jolts and dizziness and falling backward feelings etc. I have suffered depression almost all my life and I finally got off meds a year ago and I have replaced it with marijuanna which I only started smoking about 3 years ago when I was 35. Not the greatest answer, it is expensive, i don't like the moral implications but IT WORKS for me. I don't suffer paranoia, I sleep better, I function - no more migraines, I can eat. So I think pot is the lesser of the two evils - pharmaceuticals or pot - HOWEVER - each person reacts differently to meds and pot - so you have to figure out by trial and error which one is right for you. Pot works for me. My friends can't believe over the last 3-4 years how much more productive I am. I was pretty sick with depression and headaches. I am "normal" now. Not good for the lungs though - and I wish I was "normal" without it but I am not and I try more than anything on a daily basis to try not to tear myself down because I do smoke. I had not touched drugs all my life until pot - it helps - if you NEED it. I think without it - Depression runs in my family - I will never escape it - almost every member of my family is on medication - I am the only one in a very conservative family who smokes - and they even have to admit that it has helped me immensely. I'd be the one at Christmas dinner who would have to go lay down for the day and night with a migraine - I'd miss functions - I couldn't listen to music and any high pitched sound would kill me - like whistling - simple tune whistling - so like I said it depends on how shitty and unfunctional (if that is a word) your life is without it. The chemicals the pharmaceutical companies use - look to the past to see how they behave - it is all about the mighty buck - anti-depressant meds are big business - I have worked for a few pharmaceutical companies - there is not a lot of history with these pills -I quit taking meds because apparently now they say they increase breast cancer by 50% - that news came out about a year ago. Oh and for anyone continuing on meds - Wellbutrin is the drug that helps with sexual dysfunction - you take it in conjunction with the others. Also if your eyes are hurting on the outside (I read that in a message) and your are having "jolts" - and your doctor isn't taking you off meds - GET ANOTHER DOCTOR - and espcially since this doctor isn't telling you "POT WITH ANTI-DEPRESSANT MEDICATION CAN CAUSE PSYCHOTIC EPISODES! DO NOT MIX! These warnings are on the internet under the name of the drug. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! BE HAPPY!
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Author:
Shelly
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Date Posted: 23:02:38 02/19/03 Wed
I would be interested in your book -- I do not use anti-depressants or marijuana but I have a family member who does. I am reading this site so that I can show her thoughts from people who are experiencing what she is.



>>My name is Bella, I'm 23. I smoke pot from the moment
>>I get off work 'til my head hits the pillow. Somewhere
>>along the lines I stopped using the drug, and it
>>started using me. I realize that I love being
>>high....to enhance that layed-back,happy disposition
>>it gives all of us "glassy-eyed" smokers. I have
>>always been told "my emotions run my life"but for the
>>most part been pretty quick witted. although it has
>>come to my attention its different now.
>>
>>I have been smoking pot for about 4 years, and hadnt
>>noticed too many changes 'til 1 Yr ago when I was put
>>on effexor. Since I started taking this drug, I cant
>>remember anything......(funny coming frm a pot smoker
>>right?)but I tell u I cannot remember normal things, I
>>use to when was still smoking pot and not taking
>>effexor. Is this marijuana being mind-dulling over
>>long usage, or effexor.
>>
>>also when i dont take it for a day, i get shocking
>>jolts through my body...does anyone else have this?
>>Even my doctor looks at me like i am crazy...but she
>>refuses to take me off, something about pot effecting
>>how much of the effexor i am absorbing. screw
>>doctors-i'll make my own decisions now, i just want to
>>hear from people who are in this type of situations,
>>can anyone help me?
>
>
>Bella, I just stopped taking all psychaitric
>medications (yes Effexor is a psychiatric medication)
>a couple of years ago after a fifteen year treatment
>which started out as a mind to moderate depression and
>thanks to multiples of various types of
>antidepresants, my condition turned into what was
>considered a bipolar rapid cycling condition, which my
>shrink told me was a life-long condition that would
>reduce me to living off disability payments. It took
>me a long tome to become clear headed enough to see
>that that it was the anbtidepresants that were causing
>90% of the problem. I now use a light-box and exercise
>to control my moods and believe me it is much better
>now. What a difference sex is now without
>antidepresants circulating in my system. I have been
>left with a painful condition call trigeminal
>neuralgia which causes me horrific pain sometimes when
>I eat or brush my teeth... it is like the worst
>tootheach you will ever experience in your life. I
>never had this before I started taking a particular
>antidepresant that caused me weird jolts in my body
>near the end of the day. My advice to anyone who is
>taking antidepresants for any depression that is mild
>and doesn't involve suicidal thoughts... Get off of
>them now... and if your doctor says no; find another
>doctor asap. I am writing a book about my fifteen year
>ordeal with antidepresants that caused me to become
>unemployable and lose everything. The light-box is
>worth giving a try and exercise is really important,
>both of these in combination are far better than any
>antidepresant, I have ever had and I've had them all
>except for mirtazapine. Don't sweat the pot... If it
>works use it...( but don't get caught) It can't be as
>bad as antidepresants or mood-stablizers. all the best
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Author:
Tariumdragon
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Date Posted: 16:54:06 04/29/04 Thu
Yes, I have noticed these electric shocks through my body when being on paxil. I hated that drug so much, and have finally gotton off of it. It also cuased me to feel like I was manic depressive. I would get really really happy for a time, then really depressed. Going off of it or missing a dose for a few days would create horrible horrible emotions. I would get mean, everything even stupid things would annoy me...and I wanted to die. Now that I am off of it I feel much better, although I am still going through the very prolonged mental and physical withdrawl from the dependance that I had on it. I allmost succeeded in committing suicide the first time I went off of it....i went off of it too fast. I believe it was partialy the drug and bad timing in my life to stop as suddenly things to a downturn in luck. So yeah its bad and very very physically addictive. If you need an antidepressant i reccomend wellbutrin as I do not feel any of these side effects, Someday I hope to quit all my anti depressant use.

Constant marijuana use really affects your memory after awhile. I was a constant user for 3 years, and then stopped for two months and my memory improved markedly. Since then I started using it again but not like before and I feel it slipping away. My friend is going to stop when he goes to rehab here soon. I'm going to stop with him, probably forever. except for everyonce in a great while on a special occasion. I need to move on with my life.
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Author:
o2K*Wabbit
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Date Posted: 03:07:52 07/27/04 Tue
Bella from Q3A???? If so, let me know next time you are in the server.

>My name is Bella, I'm 23. I smoke pot from the moment
>I get off work 'til my head hits the pillow. Somewhere
>along the lines I stopped using the drug, and it
>started using me. I realize that I love being
>high....to enhance that layed-back,happy disposition
>it gives all of us "glassy-eyed" smokers. I have
>always been told "my emotions run my life"but for the
>most part been pretty quick witted. although it has
>come to my attention its different now.
>
>I have been smoking pot for about 4 years, and hadnt
>noticed too many changes 'til 1 Yr ago when I was put
>on effexor. Since I started taking this drug, I cant
>remember anything......(funny coming frm a pot smoker
>right?)but I tell u I cannot remember normal things, I
>use to when was still smoking pot and not taking
>effexor. Is this marijuana being mind-dulling over
>long usage, or effexor.
>
>also when i dont take it for a day, i get shocking
>jolts through my body...does anyone else have this?
>Even my doctor looks at me like i am crazy...but she
>refuses to take me off, something about pot effecting
>how much of the effexor i am absorbing. screw
>doctors-i'll make my own decisions now, i just want to
>hear from people who are in this type of situations,
>can anyone help me?
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Author:
John
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Date Posted: 04:37:37 11/28/02 Thu
>Nick,

It's a bit of chicken and egg situation with the reefer and the depression, i think. i've been smoking (every day - no joke) for about 10 years, as have most of my close friends. I've recently been going through a dodgy period, mainly, i think, due to a failed relationship with a close friend of mine. Depression, anxiety, etc. I've been to a psychiatrist to dicuss my woman related problems but saw no improvement in mood or symptoms. i went back to the doc who prescribed xanax and Efexor. Now i haven't started taking the Efexor yet and have been doing some research on the net about it. It doesn't look too promising. A disproportionate % of people probably print negative stuff on the net though. Reading your opinion kind of sealed the deal as we seem to be in similar situations. F**k that. It seems to me that you've got to deal with the root cause of the depression and not mask it with drugs. Its only a short term solution that seems to pose its own problems. i'll continue seeing the shrink. Thanks for that.

Regarding smoking, i can only give you my opinion but i think that serious abuse will eventually result depression, at least in some people. I know most of my friends, although not all, have gone through dodgy periods. i don't think it causes it, i just think it brings it to your attention quicker than otherwise. stoners, i think, tend to think more about stuff and are probably generally more worry prone in reality that would appear (at least heavy users). So i would suggest cutting down (muchos hard, i know) on the smoking and seeing a shrink. There will probably will not be a immediate improvement in mood, depression but these things take time.

I hope all is going well with getting off efexor. I know it sounds cheesy but you gotta always look on the bright side of life. I suffer from seriously low self esteem so i know it aint easy.

Good luck,
John
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Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 09:35:11 03/07/04 Sun
I hate to say it but as good as marijuana makes me feel i do feel it causes depression and not all the time just like for a week or so at a time the rest the time im happy, I've takin all the depression test there are online and i suffer from depression highly its highly reccomended i get help n treatment cuz i dont need to be living this depressed one of the test said but i have yet to do any of it i just continue smoking cuz i cant get off it and i been going though this for like 8years now yea kinda hard anyone can live as long as i have and being depressed like i get, but i just think of it as it only being a side effect of marijuana and it'll eventually go away n a day or week or whatever thats left and then my life will get better and it does its just im gettin tired though of just goin through it all over again and again and again ya know, it makes me feel so good but makes me not kare or worry about anything and have no feeling at all for anyone or anything and the world cuould die infront of me and i really dont think i would kare, said to say when im not high but thats what my life is like since i been smokin marijuana just thought i'd tell my story so you ppl dont feel alone and i dont feel alone n this situation kinda feels better already to tell you all about it. well im going to go if any of you all wanna talk or anything u can e-mail me at scornedsoul@hotmail.com well im out for now bye everyone n have a good life.
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Author:
dave
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Date Posted: 01:50:45 04/23/02 Tue
>>I am a 25 year old male. I started smoking pot when I was about 16. It started out as maybe one joint every other day or so and now like michelle I am up to 6,7,8,9 sometimes even 15 joints a day. I smoke before I go to work in the morning, I am always late because I need those exta few tokes. I smoke when I come home for lunch, I often take 2 hour lunch breaks so I can keep on smoking more. I leave work an hour early so i can come home and get high. I have been diagnosed with depression when I was about 20 or so. I've been given prozac, wellbutrin and I am now on effexor. I too am the same way as michelle, I am up one week and down the next comes and goes so quickly its making my head spin. I have read that marijuana supposedly has the same emotional effects as prozac but i have never taken my prozac except maybe once or twice without smoking. Also just like the person who wrote a response to michelle, I am, or was supposed to (its all falling apart) get married on June 1,2002. My fiance used to smoke pot but quit because of drug testing at work. I too have a lack of sex drive because of the anti depressants, but I did not when smoked before I started taking the medicine. I could write all night about how I'm feeling but I would like to hear some people's reactions and experiences. Just remember your not alone.




For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>
>Hi. I just read your message and foung that I feel the
>exact same way. I have been smoking pot for the past 9
>years. At first, just recreationally, then gradually
>more and more until now I am completely dependant on
>it. I have also been battling with depression for the
>last 4 years. Presently I am taking Effexor, I have
>been trying different anti-depressants -as per my Dr.-
>due to the negative side effects. The major side
>effect of the anti-depressants is decreased sex drive.
>I am getting married in 2 months but my relationship
>seems really shitty to me right now. We have a
>horrible sex life, mostly due to me NEVER WANTING TO
>DO IT! -because of the anti-depressants, and also
>because I am too tired because of the marijuana! My
>fiance also HATES it when I smoke pot.
>
>I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in
>your feelings of marijuana use=depression. I am just
>starting to realize this myself but can't just QUIT
>smoking pot. It's part of my life.
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Author:
amanda
[Edit]
Date Posted: 08:05:57 04/24/02 Wed
i am dave's fiance.
i have to start by saying that i'm so terribly heart broken over everything that has happened in the past few days. it's so hard to sort out my feelings right now. part of me wants to run away. i have built the last five years of my life with this man. we have a house and dogs and a life together, fortunately no kids in this situation. by leaving, i'd be abandoning that. i know i could start over, but i don't want to. what i really want is to see dave get better. i'm trying not to fool myself into thinking that everything will get better and our lives will get back to normal. i know that i love him enough to marry him, i'm afraid that if i leave and he does something- i'm most worried about him being suicidal, that i'll forever think of myself as the woman who loved him enough to marry him, but not enough to support him and stand by him when he truly needed it. i fought a battle with depression a few years back and he stood by me. i partially feel guilty that a lot of this has happened. dave is a very quite and shy person, and needs a lot of "pushing" to do anything. i gave an ultimatum 2 years ago that he either marry me, or i'd leave- so we got engaged. i am 28 and don't want to waste the rest of my life waiting around.
our sex life has suffered, but i think that's a result of the depression, not necessarily of the effexor. in my opinion, he has this thought in his head that ANYTHING he takes will effect his sex drive. except for pot. pot, in his world, can do no wrong. i'm not saying that i'm perfect. as dave mentioned in his post, i used to smoke- but i stopped pretty much cold turkey. and i like me better when i'm not abusing. today he told me that he loves me, but isn't in love with me. i don't know if he even has a good concept of what love is. here i am standing by him at this difficult time, and he thinks love is always rosey and always passionate. i don't see it that way. and i suppose that i should mention that dave has a physical disability that gets him down too. so he has a poor self image to start with. i don't even see that. all i see is the man i love and the man i don't feel i can leave right now. dave needs to be honest with himself and his doctors about his marijuana usage. i know he knows it, now more than ever... and that it's scarey thing to admit. so for now i'm giving is some time. i'm too emotional now to make any rash decisions anyhow. my family thinks i'm nuts to hang out here. he fully intended on marrying me and just going to therapy to try to solve things. i'm crushed that we've called off the wedding, but he's more important to me than any stupid cermony. i'd be lying if i said i wasn't sad about it. but i want what he wants, and more- because i want him to be better. i want him to smile more, i don't want to fight about how to pay bills since he's smoked away so much money, i want him to feel better about himself, and to finally understand how much i love him and that in time this will all heal itself. i can't help to be optimistic. i don't know what else to do!

>>>I am a 25 year old male. I started smoking pot when
>I was about 16. It started out as maybe one joint
>every other day or so and now like michelle I am up to
>6,7,8,9 sometimes even 15 joints a day. I smoke before
>I go to work in the morning, I am always late because
>I need those exta few tokes. I smoke when I come home
>for lunch, I often take 2 hour lunch breaks so I can
>keep on smoking more. I leave work an hour early so i
>can come home and get high. I have been diagnosed with
>depression when I was about 20 or so. I've been given
>prozac, wellbutrin and I am now on effexor. I too am
>the same way as michelle, I am up one week and down
>the next comes and goes so quickly its making my head
>spin. I have read that marijuana supposedly has the
>same emotional effects as prozac but i have never
>taken my prozac except maybe once or twice without
>smoking. Also just like the person who wrote a
>response to michelle, I am, or was supposed to (its
>all falling apart) get married on June 1,2002. My
>fiance used to smoke pot but quit because of drug
>testing at work. I too have a lack of sex drive
>because of the anti depressants, but I did not when
>smoked before I started taking the medicine. I could
>write all night about how I'm feeling but I would like
>to hear some people's reactions and experiences. Just
>remember your not alone.
>
>
>
>
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>finally
>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>don't
>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>
>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>sense
>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>
>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>of
>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>quit?!
>>>
>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>
>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>who
>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>addiction = depression.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Hi. I just read your message and foung that I feel the
>>exact same way. I have been smoking pot for the past 9
>>years. At first, just recreationally, then gradually
>>more and more until now I am completely dependant on
>>it. I have also been battling with depression for the
>>last 4 years. Presently I am taking Effexor, I have
>>been trying different anti-depressants -as per my Dr.-
>>due to the negative side effects. The major side
>>effect of the anti-depressants is decreased sex
>drive.
>>I am getting married in 2 months but my relationship
>>seems really shitty to me right now. We have a
>>horrible sex life, mostly due to me NEVER WANTING TO
>>DO IT! -because of the anti-depressants, and also
>>because I am too tired because of the marijuana! My
>>fiance also HATES it when I smoke pot.
>>
>>I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in
>>your feelings of marijuana use=depression. I am just
>>starting to realize this myself but can't just QUIT
>>smoking pot. It's part of my life.
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Author:
Lisa
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:49:57 06/08/02 Sat
I am 34 years old and I started smoking pot when I was 14.In 1998 my sister died of ovarian cancer and I went to my Dr for depression, and he put me on Effexor. I started out at 75 mg's and am taking 150 mg's now. It seems to help me but I do think that the depression is tied in with how much pot I smoke. I guess I would say I smoke about 4 joints a day, and I do wanna quit but my husband is a smoker too, and although he says he would support my decision to quit, he still smokes in front of me and of course, I always cave.....it sucks. I actually believe that smoking pot has caused my whole personality to change over the past 20 years. Also I know my short term memory is much worse than it use to be. I would love to have anyone as an email buddy to talk to about things like this....my name is Lisa and my email is lnryacks@chartermi.net. Peace......
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Author:
Nolene
[Edit]
Date Posted: 04:20:26 03/20/04 Sat
Hi I just have to tell you all my story. I was a pure non smoker social drinker until my marriage broke up, and i met this man whom I fell inlove with, but he was a pot smoker. I have 3 children. As soon as i started smoking under his pressure, my whole personality changed, and I was aggressive and yelled and screamed at my poor kids. I am 45 years old and I only smoke 2 nights per week, sometimes shareing 7 or 8 joints for the night. the next day I feel queer in the face, as if everyone can see what i have been up to. I hate myself for snmoking. I cant be a happy person while I am a smker.I cant look poeoople in the eye. The anger and agression, laziness, stupid stubborn decisions, all come from my smoking. I feel like killing myself. I have tried antidepressants but my boyfriend said If I didn't smoke he would leave me. I worry that it will causse lung cancer. My kids have notice a huge chang in me, and said I never look happy anymore. O have everything to be happy about, but the dope makes me miserable. It makes me zonked out and stupid. plus I have tohide it from the kids. I only smoke twice a week when the kids are in bed or away. My partner collapses when he smokes too much and I have had to give him mouth to mouth on several occcasions. He owes his life to me but he wont give it up and wont let me give it upl I went off it for 6 weeks. these were the happiest 6 weeks in my life for a long time. but my boyfriend said he will find another woman to smoke with as it makes him horny..I think women who smoke regularly have hard witch like faces. please reply



>14.In 1998 my sister died of ovarian cancer and I
>went to my Dr for depression, and he put me on
>Effexor. I started out at 75 mg's and am taking 150
>mg's now. It seems to help me but I do think that the
>depression is tied in with how much pot I smoke. I
>guess I would say I smoke about 4 joints a day, and I
>do wanna quit but my husband is a smoker too, and
>although he says he would support my decision to quit,
>he still smokes in front of me and of course, I always
>cave.....it sucks. I actually believe that smoking pot
>has caused my whole personality to change over the
>past 20 years. Also I know my short term memory is
>much worse than it use to be. I would love to have
>anyone as an email buddy to talk to about things like
>this....my name is Lisa and my email is
>lnryacks@chartermi.net. Peace......
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Author:
John Doe
[Edit]
Date Posted: 10:53:09 06/18/02 Tue
I am 26 and start smoking pot at 12, but only here and there, I turned into a heavy pot smoker for my senior year and threw college and after, just recently start to slow down. I got very dep on pot, and alcohol and other drugs, I'm on prozac now, and smoke a little pot, I noticed that if I stop smoking and let the prozac do its work I feel better, but it's just so hard to say no, and it feels so good. I think that if you try to cut down to just a party smoker, you'll feel much better?




>>>I am a 25 year old male. I started smoking pot when
>I was about 16. It started out as maybe one joint
>every other day or so and now like michelle I am up to
>6,7,8,9 sometimes even 15 joints a day. I smoke before
>I go to work in the morning, I am always late because
>I need those exta few tokes. I smoke when I come home
>for lunch, I often take 2 hour lunch breaks so I can
>keep on smoking more. I leave work an hour early so i
>can come home and get high. I have been diagnosed with
>depression when I was about 20 or so. I've been given
>prozac, wellbutrin and I am now on effexor. I too am
>the same way as michelle, I am up one week and down
>the next comes and goes so quickly its making my head
>spin. I have read that marijuana supposedly has the
>same emotional effects as prozac but i have never
>taken my prozac except maybe once or twice without
>smoking. Also just like the person who wrote a
>response to michelle, I am, or was supposed to (its
>all falling apart) get married on June 1,2002. My
>fiance used to smoke pot but quit because of drug
>testing at work. I too have a lack of sex drive
>because of the anti depressants, but I did not when
>smoked before I started taking the medicine. I could
>write all night about how I'm feeling but I would like
>to hear some people's reactions and experiences. Just
>remember your not alone.
>
>
>
>
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>finally
>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>don't
>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>
>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>sense
>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>
>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>of
>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>quit?!
>>>
>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>
>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>who
>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>addiction = depression.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Hi. I just read your message and foung that I feel the
>>exact same way. I have been smoking pot for the past 9
>>years. At first, just recreationally, then gradually
>>more and more until now I am completely dependant on
>>it. I have also been battling with depression for the
>>last 4 years. Presently I am taking Effexor, I have
>>been trying different anti-depressants -as per my Dr.-
>>due to the negative side effects. The major side
>>effect of the anti-depressants is decreased sex
>drive.
>>I am getting married in 2 months but my relationship
>>seems really shitty to me right now. We have a
>>horrible sex life, mostly due to me NEVER WANTING TO
>>DO IT! -because of the anti-depressants, and also
>>because I am too tired because of the marijuana! My
>>fiance also HATES it when I smoke pot.
>>
>>I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in
>>your feelings of marijuana use=depression. I am just
>>starting to realize this myself but can't just QUIT
>>smoking pot. It's part of my life.
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Author:
Rob
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:00:08 11/04/02 Mon
I'm 15 and i started smoking pot at te age of 12 bu i stop for about two years and now i'm smoking again.Now i'm on20mg of proza for panic attacks and some people told mif u smoke on prozacyour heat will stp or you'll have a stroke and all kinds of crazy shit. so i was wondering is it true?
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Author:
Jake
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:15:26 11/24/02 Sun
i have smoked pot weed for 8 years and i am 18 now...i think it has a lot to do with how you hang around when you are high
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Author:
dave
[Edit]
Date Posted: 20:19:32 09/18/03 Thu

im 100% behind you on that one mate who you hang with wile you smoke at first me and my mate used to smoke all the time having a good laugh listening to tunes and shit but now since the effect has died down its left me and my mate
like enemys hes worse than me big time if were in the room
he will constantly be concentrating on me the slightest move and he reacts just to make sure it wasnt just me i decided to test him so wile watching a film i slowly slowed
my breath and he stoped breathing altogeather fucking arshole he wont see anyone and denise having problems and i have to live with him
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Author:
chronic_smokah_420
[Edit]
Date Posted: 19:24:27 09/20/03 Sat
i know what you're talkin about, man
smokin weed used to be so much fun- we'd do all kinds of stupid funny shit like egg people and run around like a bunch of punks enjoying every second
then we turned to harder drugs (young dumb n full of cum) and ever since then i only have 1 friend left from my old crew (one became a coke-head, 1 is schitzo, 1 is in jail, 1 had a fight with me and i left his nose broken) but he's weird nowadays. We quit all that hard shit a long time ago (never really got hooked), but he don't talk at all really- i always gotta ask him questions n stuff to get his ass talking and it's just real boring and depressing. I dont even know if i can trust the ol fucker anymore.
Nowadays i feel weird when i smoke weed even if it's just a few hits from the bong. I end up analyzing shit in my head all the time and it's driving me nuts. I guess i need to find better people to hang with but it's much easier said than done. Maybe i should start thinking about gettin me a steady girl after almost 2 years single. Or maybe i should just shut the fuck up and roll another joint. i dunno.
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Author:
Brandon
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:40:33 03/07/04 Sun
i know 100% exactly what your sayin man, its like your my twin or sumthing im going through the same things u are and plus more, i always analyze everything i dont know i just constantly think i never talk to anyone im always thinkin and analyzing everything and always paranoid and worrying bout everything and i been single for forever too im 19 n a virgin i just dont feel the need to go out n try n get sum action from a gurl when i have marijuana n its always there for me n makes me happy when i smoke, now i cant say ive went on to harder drugs although i do use pills everynow n then mostly muscle relaxers while i smoke chornic usually. but yea i gotta go for now...hope all gets better for you.
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Author:
It's working for me
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:00:23 03/25/03 Tue
>
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Author:
It's working for me
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:10:53 03/25/03 Tue
>I'm am 31 years of age. I have recently been prescibed prozac (10mg)for social anxiety. It seems to be working well for me. I have also found that using marijuana in small amounts, such as a hit or two during periods of anxiety helps me the best. I believe marijuana as well as any other drugs have beneifts when used properly. KEY WORD IS USING MEDICINE PROPERLY. I am in fact now off of Prozac and am using Marijuana instead. I have informed my doctor of my usage. showing him a journal i've kept of the times and amount that I have used thc.
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Author:
david
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:20:22 04/13/03 Sun
Well, having been depressed ever since high school; for me the depression came first. I'm sure that the link between cannabis and depression is that people who find attraction in cannabis (self medicate). This plant saved my life. Although, regretably, I didn't get out much, stayed at home and played music, it eased the pain of my suicidal tendancies - to the point of making life at least, bearable.

I have been taking Effexor XR for the past 3 years, 75 mg. A friend introduced me to Cannabis when i was feeling particularly 'low', about 7 years ago. Feeling not content to ride the wave of supposed, "drug dependance', i decided to seek professional help who prescribed me, "effexor". This has helped some... But without Cannabis, I'm still the depressed wreck that I used to be before I even started any of the drugs: legal and illegal.
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Author:
Steve O
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:59:57 06/24/02 Mon
Hey could sumbody please offer me some advise. I only 15 years old and i've been smokin cannabis (the block form) for about a year and a half. This may not seem like a lot of time to u lot as i relise theres no1 on this aged so young. But my smoking of pot has really messed me up. I deamdream all day wishing i was sumbody else cause i am such an asshole. And i'm worried about what iom goin to be when im older and honestly i dont have a clue. When i watch movies i just want to be sumbody that u respect and think he's 1 of the good guyes but i know i'll never even have a chance to be this as i still smoke the shit. And when i watch movies like Rocky i love it cause its a bum getting up of his lifestyle and making sumthing of his life. My mum and dad and brothers and sisters totally know im nothin but a waster in life. They just live round me and if i do anything wrong they just dont care, i think they have just given it up on me. I had quit for 1 month but then my friend just kept pushing me to split an 8th with him. I was sayin "no" manys the time but he wouldnt accept that and he then reminded me of the "fun" times we had and i have ended up giving in. And durin the last week i have become this messed up, cheeky, spotty bastard. And people eople hate me for my stoner attitude towards life. I try just to tell myself "AH fuck, who needs them anyway, as long as im ok what does it matter" But im not ok i hate myself and i just want to be respected. And can smokin cannabis really give u pimples cause no moatter how often i wash, i wash 3 times a day and i still get them, it has to be cannabis. So could anytime offer me any addvice on how to quit when if i didnt have my smoke i dont think id enjoy life, not thatr im enjoying it at the minute.I can see nothin in the future
for me than a back alley. Yours extremely depressed Steve 0
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Author:
candybee
[Edit]
Date Posted: 23:15:16 06/27/02 Thu
Hey Steve,

I don't have much advice about the cannabis (except find some way to stop - talk to some trustworth adult about it or something) but your message made me sad and I wanted to write you back. I just wanted to let you know that you are not a "waster in life"- you're only 15!! You have many years ahead of you in with which you can do whatever you choose. I wish you the best, hang in there.
-candybee
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Author:
faith
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:43:01 08/09/02 Fri
>I know exactly how u feel.
I am 27 years old and i have been smoking pot for 10 years now. I think though that it is as a result of the problems we face on a daily basis why we experience depression and that pot only highlights or brings out your emotions on a much higher level depending on what is happening in our lives at the moment and how we are handling the situation. I

I seriously think that it highlights the problem and is not what initiates it. I hope i'm right because its so hard to quit
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Author:
JJ
[Edit]
Date Posted: 11:19:54 07/14/03 Mon
I sort of agree - if you're already in a good mood, it makes you happier. If your in a bad mood . . .

I've noticed how the massages have drifted at times to the use of antidepressants (and a lot about how it doesn't work or makes things worse). I'm no expert in the field of quitting dope, but I do know that I would never resort to other drugs, be it natural or chemical - it just doesn't sit well with me.

Unlike in one of the previous messages, I don't have a wife and kids - if I did, things would hopefully be different. But as a 28 year old with a relatively successful freelance graphic design company, a good social & sex life (always could be better) - it's not as clear-cut. I live & work at home alone, and although have many visitors both social & professional, it's the perfect situation to indulge in large amounts of the doob. With no one responsible for me & me not being responsible for anyone else (aside from my dog) it's just all too easy.

Anyhow . . . I've never really tried to quit - never really had to. But the depression's pissing me off. As soon as I finish what I have left now - I'm gonna give it a shot. Don't know if I'll go cold-turkey, phase it out slowly . . . but not with more drugs.

I smoke a lot. I don't think I would ever quit full stop - love it too much. But I envy my friends who can just have some on the weekends or at parties. If I could get to that level, that'd be sweet.

Good Luck to all the rest of you . . .

JJ.
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Author:
Nesa
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:44:37 05/07/04 Fri
>Hey could sumbody please offer me some advise. I only
>15 years old and i've been smokin cannabis (the block
>form) for about a year and a half. This may not seem
>like a lot of time to u lot as i relise theres no1 on
>this aged so young. But my smoking of pot has really
>messed me up. I deamdream all day wishing i was
>sumbody else cause i am such an asshole. And i'm
>worried about what iom goin to be when im older and
>honestly i dont have a clue. When i watch movies i
>just want to be sumbody that u respect and think he's
>1 of the good guyes but i know i'll never even have a
>chance to be this as i still smoke the shit. And when
>i watch movies like Rocky i love it cause its a bum
>getting up of his lifestyle and making sumthing of his
>life. My mum and dad and brothers and sisters totally
>know im nothin but a waster in life. They just live
>round me and if i do anything wrong they just dont
>care, i think they have just given it up on me. I had
>quit for 1 month but then my friend just kept pushing
>me to split an 8th with him. I was sayin "no" manys
>the time but he wouldnt accept that and he then
>reminded me of the "fun" times we had and i have
>ended up giving in. And durin the last week i have
>become this messed up, cheeky, spotty bastard. And
>people eople hate me for my stoner attitude towards
>life. I try just to tell myself "AH fuck, who needs
>them anyway, as long as im ok what does it matter" But
>im not ok i hate myself and i just want to be
>respected. And can smokin cannabis really give u
>pimples cause no moatter how often i wash, i wash 3
>times a day and i still get them, it has to be
>cannabis. So could anytime offer me any addvice on how
>to quit when if i didnt have my smoke i dont think id
>enjoy life, not thatr im enjoying it at the minute.I
>can see nothin in the future
>for me than a back alley. Yours extremely depressed
>Steve 0
Well i just saw ur message and i really don't know what to say but i'm 17 and i just started smoking weed again but i don't do it all the time.I was 13 the first time i did it. but then only did it like 4 times and thought i was to young so i stopped. this time i was 16 when i started this time. ITs not so bad. I'm just like the little school girl though, so not everyone that i smoke. I do good in school cause i got a 3.0-4.0 gpa. My parents have no idea what i do i don't do anything bad but smoke weed. I think at least i'm gettitng good grades and keeping up.Well take care bye Nesa
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Author:
Will
[Edit]
Date Posted: 19:00:33 09/29/02 Sun
I am right there with you. I started smoking pot 9 years ago. I have quit twice before. The last time I quit (August of '97) I felt I had left it behind. I had also gave up my dream in music becuase that is where my pot use was introduce to me and that was the major source of my desire to smoke. Removing myself from the recording studios and getting back into college put me on the right track. However, after 4 months of sobriety some old "studio friends" invited me to the studio one night and offered me a hit of a joint. I figured I had my addicition in check and thought I could smoke that night and still stay on track. I was wrong. That hit led to another 5 years of smoking (daily). I learned from that-I cannot have even "one hit" ever again. I have been off the stuff now for only 4 days but I have declared war on this addiction and I have a strong desire to win. I know from past expereince that if I get past that 2 week mark the desire to smoke is gone. From then on I will have to rely on my judgment. Even after 4 days I feel like a new man. My head is clearer and I don't waste a lot of time like I used to. I still have the headaches but I look forward to those being gone in a couple of days. One thing that has helped me is excercise. Get out and jog, or get on a treadmill or do something to sweat everyday. I was one of those smokers who didn't smoke until the end of the day and then I'd stay up as long as I could to enjoy the high. Now instead of ending the evening smoking I just go to bed. Going to bed in my mind is the fastest way to get to tommorrow (getting the sleep has also has helped to get rid of those dark circles around my eyes). Another day behind me, and another day closer to being free of all of the risidual effects that my chronic use has cost me. Also, I cannot do this by myself. My wife supports me in this and I talk to her whenever I feel the urge to smoke, or expereince a headache, etc. etc. You need a buddy to get through it. Also here is a site that may help http://www.marijuana-anonymous.org/index.shtml I plan to use this site beginning this week. I hope I make it and I hope you do as well. Good luck. God bless.
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Author:
matt
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Date Posted: 19:13:41 06/05/03 Thu
>I am right there with you. I started smoking pot 9
>years ago. I have quit twice before. The last time I
>quit (August of '97) I felt I had left it behind. I
>had also gave up my dream in music becuase that is
>where my pot use was introduce to me and that was the
>major source of my desire to smoke. Removing myself
>from the recording studios and getting back into
>college put me on the right track. However, after 4
>months of sobriety some old "studio friends" invited
>me to the studio one night and offered me a hit of a
>joint. I figured I had my addicition in check and
>thought I could smoke that night and still stay on
>track. I was wrong. That hit led to another 5 years
>of smoking (daily). I learned from that-I cannot have
>even "one hit" ever again. I have been off the stuff
>now for only 4 days but I have declared war on this
>addiction and I have a strong desire to win. I know
>from past expereince that if I get past that 2 week
>mark the desire to smoke is gone. From then on I will
>have to rely on my judgment. Even after 4 days I feel
>like a new man. My head is clearer and I don't waste a
>lot of time like I used to. I still have the
>headaches but I look forward to those being gone in a
>couple of days. One thing that has helped me is
>excercise. Get out and jog, or get on a treadmill or
>do something to sweat everyday. I was one of those
>smokers who didn't smoke until the end of the day and
>then I'd stay up as long as I could to enjoy the high.
> Now instead of ending the evening smoking I just go
>to bed. Going to bed in my mind is the fastest way to
>get to tommorrow (getting the sleep has also has
>helped to get rid of those dark circles around my
>eyes). Another day behind me, and another day closer
>to being free of all of the risidual effects that my
>chronic use has cost me. Also, I cannot do this by
>myself. My wife supports me in this and I talk to her
>whenever I feel the urge to smoke, or expereince a
>headache, etc. etc. You need a buddy to get through
>it. Also here is a site that may help
>http://www.marijuana-anonymous.org/index.shtml I plan
>to use this site beginning this week. I hope I make
>it and I hope you do as well. Good luck. God bless.
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Author:
matt
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Date Posted: 20:55:08 06/05/03 Thu
well i just turned 20 and ive been addicted to pot for 7 years it led to other things that i have been fortunet enough to quit. But I need help with my pot addiction. I have been sober for 8 hours and i know people say its only pot but if they could feel the way i do they would understand how hard it is. Pot was just suposed to be a way to relax and have fun but it turned to a way of life i cant even kep money to pay court fines because every time i get my hands on money i by pot and its starting to just get old. Weather i get 5 bucks or 300 bucks it didnt matter i spent it on pot. Now i have to get through this and my father doesnt even think pot is addictive . I dont uderstand how people can say pot is not addictive but caffine is. I think if you do something everyday all day you can get addicted to just about anything. Well I think the reason im writting is because I need to know that im not alone and im not crazy!!! Thanks for listening it feels kinda good to finally admit that I have a real problem and theres a place to talk sincerly MATT
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Author:
NewBud
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Date Posted: 09:50:15 11/16/02 Sat
I was put on a different Anti-Depressant called TOFRANIL-PM, its a older drug, classified as a TCA, one of the reasons my DR put me on it was because I had horrible sexual disfunction with ALL SSRI's. My DR Told me TOFRANIL-PM is a older drug, that used to be the gold-standard for anti-depression before SSRI's like Prozac came out. It affects Seretonin and Nor-Epenephrien both, which help with mood. He said the only thing with Tofranil-PM is that I need to have a healthy heart because Nor-Epenephrien is found in the heart and brain, where Seretonin is only found in the brain. But, I love it. In 2 weeks, I felt great, Happy, and normal. I'm started on 75/mg per day and felt better, but not quite normal, and my DR uped my dossage to 100 mg/day. Anyway, It makes me sleepy when I take it, so I take it before bedtime, and it is supposed to last all day. My sex drive is so much better, and I feel great. I'd reccomend this to anyone that fails on SSRI's
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Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 01:28:19 03/20/03 Thu
I'm sorry, but we are all stupid. I too smoke 2-3 j's a day and take 300mg of effexor. I'm a 21 male, and I suffer from depression. I've always wondered if pot caused my problems, and whether it's addictive. Well, after reading this many many times over the past year, it finally set in. Marijuana is a depressant, and a hallucinagin. It alters your reality, and for some ppl, that causes anxiety. Marijuana itself depresses you for 2-3 weeks after your take it, and if you suffer from depression b4 u take marijuana, it just applifies it. It also speeds up your mind and slows down your body, which creates an added anxiety component to it. As for the addiction part, I know that I keep telling myself that I won't smoke any for a week, and the 1st day I try, I always light up cause I keep tellin myself, 1 toke won't be so bad starting off. But then that leads to more tokes, and I'm at the same spot the next day. Also, marijuana changes your personality and the way your mind works. After keeping your mnid in this state for a long period of smoking, you're so used to it, it becomes what is your 'normal' state of mind, and when you start to sober out, your brain goes, whats this state of mind, it's changing, and it gets scared, and wants to go back to the 'stoner' state of mind, therefore giving ya the urge to toke. After finally writing this, and stopping the denial in my mind I believe I will quit tomorrow. But knowing me I won't, so I'm going to look for help somewhere.

FACT: THC - the active ingrediant in cannabis stays 'active' in your system for 3 to 5 weeks. 1/2 the THC is gone after 3-4 days, but the other half takes that 3 - 5 weeks to fully leave your system and make u 100% sober again.

Tomorrow is the 1st day of the rest of my life. :-) I hope soon I will see things clearly, and be in touch with reality. I will always love marijuana, it has been a great experience, but there are so many other great experiences out there that I don't want to miss.
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Author:
Leigh
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Date Posted: 17:40:04 04/23/03 Wed
In response to Brandon's message (and the several others I read today), I am amazed at how many people out there share the same problem I do. I smoke weed as soon as I get home from work and until the wee hours of the night. I'm on 225 mg of Effexor and have suffered from depression for as long as I can remember. Of course, I've had recovery periods during which I recall being relatively happy but they were always temporary. I'm currently experiencing a bout with depression and am simply at a loss about what to do. I know I should stop smoking, but how can I eliminate the one thing that gives me peace of mind every day? It's the only time that I can actually free myself of stress and anxiety- basically because the pot makes it impossible to maintain a single train of thought for more than 20 seconds. The bottom line, however, is that I am still depressed, I still think about suicide, and I still haven't found an answer.
>I'm sorry, but we are all stupid. I too smoke 2-3 j's
>a day and take 300mg of effexor. I'm a 21 male, and I
>suffer from depression. I've always wondered if pot
>caused my problems, and whether it's addictive. Well,
>after reading this many many times over the past year,
>it finally set in. Marijuana is a depressant, and a
>hallucinagin. It alters your reality, and for some
>ppl, that causes anxiety. Marijuana itself depresses
>you for 2-3 weeks after your take it, and if you
>suffer from depression b4 u take marijuana, it just
>applifies it. It also speeds up your mind and slows
>down your body, which creates an added anxiety
>component to it. As for the addiction part, I know
>that I keep telling myself that I won't smoke any for
>a week, and the 1st day I try, I always light up cause
>I keep tellin myself, 1 toke won't be so bad starting
>off. But then that leads to more tokes, and I'm at
>the same spot the next day. Also, marijuana changes
>your personality and the way your mind works. After
>keeping your mnid in this state for a long period of
>smoking, you're so used to it, it becomes what is your
>'normal' state of mind, and when you start to sober
>out, your brain goes, whats this state of mind, it's
>changing, and it gets scared, and wants to go back to
>the 'stoner' state of mind, therefore giving ya the
>urge to toke. After finally writing this, and
>stopping the denial in my mind I believe I will quit
>tomorrow. But knowing me I won't, so I'm going to
>look for help somewhere.
>
>FACT: THC - the active ingrediant in cannabis stays
>'active' in your system for 3 to 5 weeks. 1/2 the THC
>is gone after 3-4 days, but the other half takes that
>3 - 5 weeks to fully leave your system and make u 100%
>sober again.
>
>Tomorrow is the 1st day of the rest of my life. :-) I
>hope soon I will see things clearly, and be in touch
>with reality. I will always love marijuana, it has
>been a great experience, but there are so many other
>great experiences out there that I don't want to miss.
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Author:
beltran
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:49:48 08/15/03 Fri
>I know I should stop smoking, but how can I
>eliminate the one thing that gives me peace of mind
>every day? It's the only time that I can actually free
>myself of stress and anxiety- basically because the
>pot makes it impossible to maintain a single train of
>thought for more than 20 seconds.

2 things I forgot to mention in my other posts today.
(get the fat page and search "beltran")

1) I think I started smoking as self medication for ADD in high school. Depression followed soon after. What most people dont know about ADD is the aspect of HYPERFocus. ADD people can focus incredibly on one thing for superhuman amounts of time. THey dont know if that is part of ADD or a compensation of the person or brain suffering with ADD. Anyhow, pot would break my hyperfocus. "Jesus... theres a whole nother way of thinking about this", or as Suzanne Vega says in "Cracking", "wondering where the hell i have been."

2) Distraction as anxiety buster. hmmm ... get your shrink to perscribe you some xanax. But this will require committment & discipline. Someone (ahem) could do this AND continue the pot smoking AND start "abusing" the xanax.
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Author:
emily
[Edit]
Date Posted: 11:34:17 10/29/03 Wed
>I'm sorry, but we are all stupid. I too smoke 2-3 j's
>a day and take 300mg of effexor. I'm a 21 male, and I
>suffer from depression. I've always wondered if pot
>caused my problems, and whether it's addictive. Well,
>after reading this many many times over the past year,
>it finally set in. Marijuana is a depressant, and a
>hallucinagin. It alters your reality, and for some
>ppl, that causes anxiety. Marijuana itself depresses
>you for 2-3 weeks after your take it, and if you
>suffer from depression b4 u take marijuana, it just
>applifies it. It also speeds up your mind and slows
>down your body, which creates an added anxiety
>component to it. As for the addiction part, I know
>that I keep telling myself that I won't smoke any for
>a week, and the 1st day I try, I always light up cause
>I keep tellin myself, 1 toke won't be so bad starting
>off. But then that leads to more tokes, and I'm at
>the same spot the next day. Also, marijuana changes
>your personality and the way your mind works. After
>keeping your mnid in this state for a long period of
>smoking, you're so used to it, it becomes what is your
>'normal' state of mind, and when you start to sober
>out, your brain goes, whats this state of mind, it's
>changing, and it gets scared, and wants to go back to
>the 'stoner' state of mind, therefore giving ya the
>urge to toke. After finally writing this, and
>stopping the denial in my mind I believe I will quit
>tomorrow. But knowing me I won't, so I'm going to
>look for help somewhere.
>
>FACT: THC - the active ingrediant in cannabis stays
>'active' in your system for 3 to 5 weeks. 1/2 the THC
>is gone after 3-4 days, but the other half takes that
>3 - 5 weeks to fully leave your system and make u 100%
>sober again.
>
>Tomorrow is the 1st day of the rest of my life. :-) I
>hope soon I will see things clearly, and be in touch
>with reality. I will always love marijuana, it has
>been a great experience, but there are so many other
>great experiences out there that I don't want to miss.
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Author:
Brandon
[Edit]
Date Posted: 02:03:13 03/20/03 Thu
I'm sorry, but we are all stupid. I too smoke 2-3 j's a day and take 300mg of effexor. I'm a 21 male, and I suffer from depression. I've always wondered if pot caused my problems, and whether it's addictive. Well, after reading this many many times over the past year, it finally set in. Marijuana is a depressant, and a hallucinagin. It alters your reality, and for some ppl, that causes anxiety. Marijuana itself depresses you for 2-3 weeks after your take it, and if you suffer from depression b4 u take marijuana, it just applifies it. It also speeds up your mind and slows down your body, which creates an added anxiety component to it. As for the addiction part, I know that I keep telling myself that I won't smoke any for a week, and the 1st day I try, I always light up cause I keep tellin myself, 1 toke won't be so bad starting off. But then that leads to more tokes, and I'm at the same spot the next day. Also, marijuana changes your personality and the way your mind works. After keeping your mnid in this state for a long period of smoking, you're so used to it, it becomes what is your 'normal' state of mind, and when you start to sober out, your brain goes, whats this state of mind, it's changing, and it gets scared, and wants to go back to the 'stoner' state of mind, therefore giving ya the urge to toke. After finally writing this, and stopping the denial in my mind I believe I will quit tomorrow. But knowing me I won't, so I'm going to look for help somewhere.

FACT: THC - the active ingrediant in cannabis stays 'active' in your system for 3 to 5 weeks. 1/2 the THC is gone after 3-4 days, but the other half takes that 3 - 5 weeks to fully leave your system and make u 100% sober again.

Tomorrow is the 1st day of the rest of my life. :-) I hope soon I will see things clearly, and be in touch with reality. I will always love marijuana, it has been a great experience, but there are so many other great experiences out there that I don't want to miss.
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Author:
ranae blake
[Edit]
Date Posted: 00:06:43 08/11/02 Sun
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
Hay I hear you this is an old message by the date shown But I use pot also alot also.. I also take a Dr. Antidepressent to I dont think pot leads to depression I think is stimulates what ever mood you are previousley in If your depression only lasts a week or so at a time maby it isnt depression maby it is fatigue. you are feelin. I probley didnt help any but I got your message and I feel your concern from one pot smoker to another .. GRASS is the weed that growes on the ground, If GOD didnt want it it wouldnt be around. So all the pussies who dont smoke Dope shut up and take a toke. YOU WILL FELL BETTER !!!
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Author:
bobby
[Edit]
Date Posted: 13:57:46 11/10/02 Sun
>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>Hay I hear you this is an old message by the date
>shown But I use pot also alot also.. I also take a Dr.
>Antidepressent to I dont think pot leads to depression
>I think is stimulates what ever mood you are
>previousley in If your depression only lasts a week or
>so at a time maby it isnt depression maby it is
>fatigue. you are feelin. I probley didnt help any but
>I got your message and I feel your concern from one
>pot smoker to another .. GRASS is the weed that growes
>on the ground, If GOD didnt want it it wouldnt be
>around. So all the pussies who dont smoke Dope shut up
>and take a toke. YOU WILL FELL BETTER !!!

awhile ago i was a big time chronic...so i know what your goin through....depresion usually is a side affect of marijauna use. don't worry its not just you because i was put on anti depressants for depression when i was also on pot...so don't worry if you stay clean your depression might just go away...hey it did for me, im not a doctor or anything im just sayin from my experience, anywaz...good luck
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Author:
tanya
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:22:01 04/29/03 Tue
My depression came first. I was depressed frequently and on antidepressants, which helped somewhat. Right now i'm chronic (5-10 j/day) and on antidepressants. I have also considered the possibly that the weed is not helping my situation. But i remember before when i wasn't smoking and suicide was on my mind constantly. That is why I won't stop smoking. The antidepressant that i am on has stopped working after 3.5 years and now I have to try another one.
the doc says I should stop the pot use. But I won't do that until I find another drug that will work because without pot and an antidepressant I can't function. I have been chronic for over six years. I am not saying that it makes the depression go away but I do not think that it makes it worse. It makes it bearable and keeps suicide at bay.
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Author:
Martin
[Edit]
Date Posted: 13:12:23 05/12/03 Mon
i know what ur feelin, ive been smokin pot since i was 11, though not as much as you, i can't seem to kick the depresion, and what makes it worse is that i do well in school, im poular, i hate myself and feel like a fake. I started to cut myself...the only way i stoped was more pot...which led to more deprsion...which led to more pot...if u can help...please
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Author:
sarah
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:11:31 05/24/03 Sat
>I just thought i would drop you a wee note because i know exactly what you mean, i have been smoking pot for nearly 10 years i am 22 now but i am at the stage of my life where i have got a great job, wonderful friends, a lovely flat all of my own am starting a cousre to ecome a fully qualified teacher and also learning to drive yet i smoke pot and it gets me really realy down and i start to think of myself as a loser and that i have no friends and that they just all feel sorry for me and that i have nothing good in my life at all, go figure!!!!, i also met my present partner not long ago and because i didn;t have any pot when we first got together i didnt smokw it and all was good but then i met one of his friends and because have a very addictive nature i thought what the hell and got some and then my new relationship went to pot! and i got paranoid and distant and felt depressed all the time and just miserable and felt that there was no point and ceises to continue with my life now he has gone travelling abroad i dont know when he is coming back, because of my pot smoking we did not talk i didnt express myself to him and now even i just end up sending stuipid text messeges to him and then getting more depresses, the hardest thing for me though is a lot of my friends smoke pot and i have now made a desicion not to smoke pot for me because i dont like who i am when i smoke it, and also what a lot of people robaly wont like is that i dont want people to smoke pot in my house but that might be a weakness but i will c how things go but i am dtermined to quit so dont worry you are noty alone, keep smiling :)
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Author:
deanne
[Edit]
Date Posted: 20:41:35 03/06/04 Sat
started weed when i was 12, used to smoke half an oz aday when i was 13, it made me feel worse but at the same time was the only thing that could help, i to started to cut myself up, my thoughts were weird and i felt like it was the only way to realease mental torment into a physical pain, in now 20 and smoking every day still, but now im older the brain had developed and it dosnt really affect me anymore, then again i have cut down the amount i smoke,
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Author:
Adella
[Edit]
Date Posted: 08:37:45 11/23/02 Sat
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!


I am a 40-year-old woman, who has been taking antidepressants for the last three years, having been diagnosed as having biochemical depression. I am a frequent pot smoker, but in my case, the marijuana did not cause my depression. I have had the blues ever since I can remember. At age five, I first realized I didn't seem to get "really happy" about things, like other children around me. Depression, too, runs in my family.

My physician says my brain chemistry is different from "normal" people, and that I was likely born with biochemical depression.

I have done my own experiment of smoking pot while taking my antidepressant medication, then quitting smoking, off and on. I have finally come to the realization that my antidepressant medication just does not do its job effectively when I am smoking marijuana. With biochemical depression, my physician is trying to alter my brain chemistry through medication. When I add in my marijuana--a substance that is said to have over 500 different chemicals in it--I am doing my own brain chemistry altering, and getting poor results.

I have to make a choice. Do I want to effectively treat my depression by stopping smoking entirely, or do I want to cling to the pleasurable effects I get from pot, and just live with a pervasive level of depression? I think I've gotten to the age, and point in my career, where I need to put down the weed entirely.

I have gone through points in my life where I have stopped marijuana cold turkey for a period of a few years at a time--mainly because of employers who might do drug screening. If someone wants to quit abuse of any substance, I believe cold turkey is the best route to go. The first 30 days are very tough in quitting pot, because the THC is slowly being released from the fat cells in the body, and the cravings in some people may be quite intense. However, we don't have to go it alone. There are support groups like Marijuana Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, and even AA meetings which help many pot smokers in quitting.

If you want to quit, set a target date for quitting, and just do it, 24 hours at a time. If you feel yourself crawling out of your skin, then find a support group to help get you through it. Good luck.
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Author:
Dave
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:49:07 05/08/03 Thu
I'm a 32 year male and have been smoking pot for 18 years. I was one who thought marijuana could do no harm until I looked back and saw the damage I have done to my life. It started after school one day when a friend invited me over to get high. A few months later I dropped out of high school, ran away from home and started stealing from anyone and anywhere just to buy weed. Two days after my 18th birthday I was busted for breaking & entering, into my parents house. I jailed for a short while, but while inside I met several weed dealers and was even offered a job selling weed as soon as I got out. I met a whole lot of new "so called friends", which meant new drugs. I had a whole new goal in life now. I was going to be the biggest kingpin that ever lived. However I was unable to follow the first rule. Don't get high on your own supply. By age 19 I had hit rock bottom again. I was again homeless and hopeless. I went back home and asked for forgiveness. My family was there for me and helped my get back on my feet. I had a job and was attending adult education but within a few months I was smoking weed again. I quit school and got fired for not showing up to work. Eventually I was asked to leave home because money and items were constantly missing. I then got an opportunity to move out west and get a fresh start. Things started looking up for me. I had a great well paying job, an awesome place to live, a beautiful fiancee and real(drug free)friends. I was 22 years old and on top of the world so thought a joint here and there wouldn't hurt.I began smoking weed from the time a got home from work until I went to sleep, my performance at work started deteriorating, fights with my fiancee increased dramatically, and I crashed her brand new car. I started meeting new "so called friends" quit my great job before they fired me and cheated on my fiancee four months before the wedding. She told me to make a decision, her or the drugs. I chose her and thought I could hide my habits, but after giving many chances she dumped me. At 26 I was dealing again and my biggest customer was me. I thought I was "The Man". Anything that you wanted, I had or could get in a instant. One June morning at 5am I awoke to the sounds of glass breaking. I jumped to my feet to grab some clothes when my bedroom door was kicked in. All I heard was "Get on the fuckin floor put your fuckin hands on your fuckin head!" needless to say I was very scared. I remember being walked out of my apartment by police and looking around and seeing drugs everywhere. I took a deal and got a year and was out in eight months. On the night of my release I got high and say It would be my last joint ever. But of course it wasn't. I would find ways around my urine tests to continue to smoke weed. I eventually became depressed and moved back east with my family to rebuild my life. I got a job and decided to try and finish high school. Within a few months I caught up with old "so called friends". I still smoke weed on a daily basis, I never got my diploma, I fight to keep a shitty job and depression is kicking my ass.
Hmmm.... Do you seen a pattern?
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Author:
Val
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:14:36 06/29/04 Tue
It seems as though we all have thought, at one time or another, we could "control" our pot smoking habit.....but you come to realize (probably after several depressing years) that you are just kidding yourself. I do strongly believe that people who are prone to be pot smokers really have a problem with anxiety. It has often been said that depression is a symptom of anxiety. A joint is the perfect tension/anxiety reliever! I think the key to helping yourself stop smoking pot is to identifying and confronting the anxiety you feel in areas of your life.
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Author:
Caroline
[Edit]
Date Posted: 21:02:45 07/15/04 Thu
I'm 14, 15 in August...can you really get addicted to weed? Ive only done it once and Ive smoked cigs like a couple of times...but its just fun....whats wrong with it?
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Author:
o2K*Wabbit
[Edit]
Date Posted: 00:41:15 07/27/04 Tue
Hey. Whats wrong with pot is it will change your life without you even realizing it. It is a whole lotta fun until you realize that you have given up the things you hold dearest to your heart for the "whole lotta fun". You are starting at a very dangerous age to start at. Trust me, it is much better to experience life naturally rather than in a daze. I am 25. I have a wife, 3 year old daughter, and I am in my 3rd year of college. Today is my last day I am using for hopefully the rest of my life. In the last couple of days I have taken inventory of what has happened over the last 5 years. I have missed alot, and it hurts. Hurts so much. Save yourself the pain. I am.

>I'm 14, 15 in August...can you really get addicted to
>weed? Ive only done it once and Ive smoked cigs like a
>couple of times...but its just fun....whats wrong with
>it?
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Author:
zach
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:24:28 04/14/04 Wed

hi i am 19 and almost 20, i have been smoking everyday since going into the 9th grade. I find it very hard to deal with the depression that comes along with quitting pot. I lash out on people when they call me pothead or other names relating to that. I know it is a bad thing and seems harmless but when my grades, social life and personal life all revolves around pot it seems kind of hopeless of me actually quitting. It seems that smoking once a day takes care of all my problems but in reality they dont, but it feels so good for that 2-3 hours im stoned cuz i dont have to think about what is going on in my life im just relaxed. I just wanna be sober for more than 12 hours and with friends who do it more than 5 times a day it is kinda hard especially when there the only friends you have and new friends are hard to come by. If you have any help email me at zachneis@yahoo.com thanks for listening zach
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Author:
rocko X stoner
[Edit]
Date Posted: 00:32:10 01/22/03 Wed
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
I am 44 year old male. Smoked weed since I was 12 or 13 Can't remember. (Duh?) Been through some serious deppresion let me tell you. Also asthmatic (duh?) Wife died of cancer, brother was murdered. Talk about depression. I have tried to quit many times, but always went back. After about a monthor so the craveing subsides and all is back to normal again (normal?) Appetite, sleep, sex, mood,attitude,etc. But for that first couple weeks life is hell. Sleep sleep sleep. Then it is anger anger anger. All I need is just 1 hit then it will go away. Then it will all come back when I stop again. I am just now comeing back to reality after not smokeing for about 2 weeks. Not over it completly but starting to feel better. So lets see I smoked for about 31 years and if you ask me, Yes pot does cause depression, short term memory loss and what was I gonna say? Oh yea a sense of hopelessness for a period of time after cessation. That means quiteing for all you college grads. Anti deppressants do not seem to help as far as I can tell. Only the passing of time. Could I smoke a little bit and not smoke any more? Probably not. I would be out trying to by a sack. Do I think Weed is addictive? Probably so. Do I have enough experience with weed? probably so. Will anybody listen to my words? Probably not!!! People who actively smoke do not want to hear some one tell them that weed is not good now do they? People say that smokeing weed makes you more open minded. What do you think on that one? If you smoke you will quit some day. Maybe on your dyeing day, But someday. My best suggestion would be to not start. That way you have no fear of quiting. Because I know, I hate quiting. But when I am clean. I am real. People say it is okay because it is natural. Anthrax is natural. Wanna do some? It cant be bad its natural. I can tell by the typo errors that the majority of people who contribute here really wasted or the forgot what they learned in school. What was I talking about? hmmmmmmmmm
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Author:
Steven Duprey
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:56:40 02/07/03 Fri
I am currently out of weed, and am climbing the wall. Pot is THE MOST ADDICTIVE drug I have tried, and I have tried a lot. Don't start!
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Author:
Marianne
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:08:49 02/26/03 Wed
>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>I am 44 year old male. Smoked weed since I was 12 or
>13 Can't remember. (Duh?) Been through some serious
>deppresion let me tell you. Also asthmatic (duh?) Wife
>died of cancer, brother was murdered. Talk about
>depression. I have tried to quit many times, but
>always went back. After about a monthor so the
>craveing subsides and all is back to normal again
>(normal?) Appetite, sleep, sex, mood,attitude,etc. But
>for that first couple weeks life is hell. Sleep sleep
>sleep. Then it is anger anger anger. All I need is
>just 1 hit then it will go away. Then it will all come
>back when I stop again. I am just now comeing back to
>reality after not smokeing for about 2 weeks. Not over
>it completly but starting to feel better. So lets see
>I smoked for about 31 years and if you ask me, Yes pot
>does cause depression, short term memory loss and what
>was I gonna say? Oh yea a sense of hopelessness for a
>period of time after cessation. That means quiteing
>for all you college grads. Anti deppressants do not
>seem to help as far as I can tell. Only the passing of
>time. Could I smoke a little bit and not smoke any
>more? Probably not. I would be out trying to by a
>sack. Do I think Weed is addictive? Probably so. Do I
>have enough experience with weed? probably so. Will
>anybody listen to my words? Probably not!!! People who
>actively smoke do not want to hear some one tell them
>that weed is not good now do they? People say that
>smokeing weed makes you more open minded. What do you
>think on that one? If you smoke you will quit some
>day. Maybe on your dyeing day, But someday. My best
>suggestion would be to not start. That way you have no
>fear of quiting. Because I know, I hate quiting. But
>when I am clean. I am real. People say it is okay
>because it is natural. Anthrax is natural. Wanna do
>some? It cant be bad its natural. I can tell by the
>typo errors that the majority of people who contribute
>here really wasted or the forgot what they learned in
>school. What was I talking about? hmmmmmmm

I am a 28 year old female who has been smoking pot since I was 14. It started out as an occassional/social habit. Through the years it has turned into a habitual addiction. Since I can remember I have dealt with depression and I chose pot and other substances as my "out-source". All and all life has treated me good - I am married and have a wonderful little boy. I have been reading the different responses and justifications posted on this website. I do agree to some extent that as individuals we need to be accountable for our own actions. Just because pot magnifies one persons depression, does not mean it will for the rest of us. When I found out that I was pregnant, I quit smoking pot for fear that my child would have birth defects. At that point in time I had a reason, a purpose that gave me the will power to stop without any side effects or withdrawals, (most likely due to my changing hormonal balance of pregnancy I did not experience the common symtpoms related to withdrawals). After my son was born I started right back in. In March my son will be turning 8 years old. I have asked myself on a daily basis, how would I cope with his disappointment if he were to ever find out about my usage. I made up my mind a long time ago that when the time comes and he asks me if I have ever used drugs that I will be open and honest with him. I am not proud to admit the drugs that I have used; however I take great pride in knowing that I have quit using. I have only been "pot-free" for three days, but I feel great.
What gets me are the people who try to say that marijuana does not have an emotional or physical effect. Come on, have any of you ever picked up a medical journal or really read into the effects? I have a brother who has been smoking as long as I have and he is suffering from severe anxieties and depression. It has torn his life apart, he does not work and he blames the rest of the world for the position he is in. I love him dearly and I fear for him. I believe that it is good proof of how marijuana effect people differently. If you are depressed because of your use then maybe you should quit. Is it an easy thing to do, I don't think so. I woke this morning feeling like shit. But just like when I quit smoking cigarettes, it is only a temporary feeling. The cravings will go away, if you want them to. Far too many people use marijuana as a crutch for their laziness. It is not to say that there are not legitimate cases of pot-related depression. I belive that everyone is different. Personally, I am glad that I have found this website. I offers a good insight for people like myself who have the desire to quit smoking but need the added support needed to be successful.
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Author:
MJ
[Edit]
Date Posted: 20:39:11 04/04/03 Fri
>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>finally
>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>don't
>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>
>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>sense
>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>
>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>of
>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>quit?!
>>>
>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>
>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>who
>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>addiction = depression.
>>>
>>>Thanks!!
>>I am 44 year old male. Smoked weed since I was 12 or
>>13 Can't remember. (Duh?) Been through some serious
>>deppresion let me tell you. Also asthmatic (duh?) Wife
>>died of cancer, brother was murdered. Talk about
>>depression. I have tried to quit many times, but
>>always went back. After about a monthor so the
>>craveing subsides and all is back to normal again
>>(normal?) Appetite, sleep, sex, mood,attitude,etc. But
>>for that first couple weeks life is hell. Sleep sleep
>>sleep. Then it is anger anger anger. All I need is
>>just 1 hit then it will go away. Then it will all come
>>back when I stop again. I am just now comeing back to
>>reality after not smokeing for about 2 weeks. Not over
>>it completly but starting to feel better. So lets see
>>I smoked for about 31 years and if you ask me, Yes pot
>>does cause depression, short term memory loss and what
>>was I gonna say? Oh yea a sense of hopelessness for a
>>period of time after cessation. That means quiteing
>>for all you college grads. Anti deppressants do not
>>seem to help as far as I can tell. Only the passing of
>>time. Could I smoke a little bit and not smoke any
>>more? Probably not. I would be out trying to by a
>>sack. Do I think Weed is addictive? Probably so. Do I
>>have enough experience with weed? probably so. Will
>>anybody listen to my words? Probably not!!! People who
>>actively smoke do not want to hear some one tell them
>>that weed is not good now do they? People say that
>>smokeing weed makes you more open minded. What do you
>>think on that one? If you smoke you will quit some
>>day. Maybe on your dyeing day, But someday. My best
>>suggestion would be to not start. That way you have no
>>fear of quiting. Because I know, I hate quiting. But
>>when I am clean. I am real. People say it is okay
>>because it is natural. Anthrax is natural. Wanna do
>>some? It cant be bad its natural. I can tell by the
>>typo errors that the majority of people who contribute
>>here really wasted or the forgot what they learned in
>>school. What was I talking about? hmmmmmmm
>
>I am a 28 year old female who has been smoking pot
>since I was 14. It started out as an
>occassional/social habit. Through the years it has
>turned into a habitual addiction. Since I can
>remember I have dealt with depression and I chose pot
>and other substances as my "out-source". All and all
>life has treated me good - I am married and have a
>wonderful little boy. I have been reading the
>different responses and justifications posted on this
>website. I do agree to some extent that as
>individuals we need to be accountable for our own
>actions. Just because pot magnifies one persons
>depression, does not mean it will for the rest of us.
>When I found out that I was pregnant, I quit smoking
>pot for fear that my child would have birth defects.
>At that point in time I had a reason, a purpose that
>gave me the will power to stop without any side
>effects or withdrawals, (most likely due to my
>changing hormonal balance of pregnancy I did not
>experience the common symtpoms related to
>withdrawals). After my son was born I started right
>back in. In March my son will be turning 8 years old.
> I have asked myself on a daily basis, how would I
>cope with his disappointment if he were to ever find
>out about my usage. I made up my mind a long time ago
>that when the time comes and he asks me if I have ever
>used drugs that I will be open and honest with him. I
>am not proud to admit the drugs that I have used;
>however I take great pride in knowing that I have quit

Well, It's about 11 at night and for about a week I have been going crazy. I have been smoking pot every night for about 7 years. It started socially and then became a habbit. I am in a new relationship with a wonderful man who believe it or not doesn't smoke pot. Well when we first started dating, he would get us a bag here and there, but now that he has moved in with me, he has realized how addicted I am to it, and thinks I should quit. Well I have wanted to quit for about a year, but didn't have the strength to. Well ofcourse for about a week we have been fighting and it sucks. I have gone from being happy about it, to angry about it. I also know that I need to quit because within the past 2 years I have been getting panic attacks. Which I have done research and yes it can bring this on. I really want to stick to this but it is hard. I am tryng to look at the positive side. Like maybe I will loose the 30 pounds that I have gained from pigging out every night. But at night I get bored and frankly cigs taste like shit. I know I am rambling but what I want to know is how do you deal with the friends that you have had for years, that still do smoke pot. I am depressed about that. And I am to chicken shit to tell them I have quit for good. I am scared to be around them because I know if they roll one up, I will smoke it. And I hope that the craving will go away soon. I am sorry I am rambling. This is the first time that I have ever posted a message board. It's so sad that I don't know what to do if I am not smoking pot, does anyone know when the enjoyment of real life will come back?
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Author:
CW
[Edit]
Date Posted: 06:23:10 04/10/03 Thu
>>>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can
>>finally
>>>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>>>single time... It never fails to come back and I
>>don't
>>>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>>>
>>>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10
>joints
>>>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A
>depression
>>>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any
>>sense
>>>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>>>
>>>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I
>don't
>>>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use
>>of
>>>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>>>quit?!
>>>>
>>>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there
>>who
>>>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>>>addiction = depression.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!!
>>>I am 44 year old male. Smoked weed since I was 12 or
>>>13 Can't remember. (Duh?) Been through some serious
>>>deppresion let me tell you. Also asthmatic (duh?)
>Wife
>>>died of cancer, brother was murdered. Talk about
>>>depression. I have tried to quit many times, but
>>>always went back. After about a monthor so the
>>>craveing subsides and all is back to normal again
>>>(normal?) Appetite, sleep, sex, mood,attitude,etc.
>But
>>>for that first couple weeks life is hell. Sleep sleep
>>>sleep. Then it is anger anger anger. All I need is
>>>just 1 hit then it will go away. Then it will all
>come
>>>back when I stop again. I am just now comeing back to
>>>reality after not smokeing for about 2 weeks. Not
>over
>>>it completly but starting to feel better. So lets see
>>>I smoked for about 31 years and if you ask me, Yes
>pot
>>>does cause depression, short term memory loss and
>what
>>>was I gonna say? Oh yea a sense of hopelessness for a
>>>period of time after cessation. That means quiteing
>>>for all you college grads. Anti deppressants do not
>>>seem to help as far as I can tell. Only the passing
>of
>>>time. Could I smoke a little bit and not smoke any
>>>more? Probably not. I would be out trying to by a
>>>sack. Do I think Weed is addictive? Probably so. Do I
>>>have enough experience with weed? probably so. Will
>>>anybody listen to my words? Probably not!!! People
>who
>>>actively smoke do not want to hear some one tell them
>>>that weed is not good now do they? People say that
>>>smokeing weed makes you more open minded. What do you
>>>think on that one? If you smoke you will quit some
>>>day. Maybe on your dyeing day, But someday. My best
>>>suggestion would be to not start. That way you have
>no
>>>fear of quiting. Because I know, I hate quiting. But
>>>when I am clean. I am real. People say it is okay
>>>because it is natural. Anthrax is natural. Wanna do
>>>some? It cant be bad its natural. I can tell by the
>>>typo errors that the majority of people who
>contribute
>>>here really wasted or the forgot what they learned in
>>>school. What was I talking about? hmmmmmmm
>>
>>I am a 28 year old female who has been smoking pot
>>since I was 14. It started out as an
>>occassional/social habit. Through the years it has
>>turned into a habitual addiction. Since I can
>>remember I have dealt with depression and I chose pot
>>and other substances as my "out-source". All and all
>>life has treated me good - I am married and have a
>>wonderful little boy. I have been reading the
>>different responses and justifications posted on this
>>website. I do agree to some extent that as
>>individuals we need to be accountable for our own
>>actions. Just because pot magnifies one persons
>>depression, does not mean it will for the rest of us.
>>When I found out that I was pregnant, I quit smoking
>>pot for fear that my child would have birth defects.
>>At that point in time I had a reason, a purpose that
>>gave me the will power to stop without any side
>>effects or withdrawals, (most likely due to my
>>changing hormonal balance of pregnancy I did not
>>experience the common symtpoms related to
>>withdrawals). After my son was born I started right
>>back in. In March my son will be turning 8 years old.
>> I have asked myself on a daily basis, how would I
>>cope with his disappointment if he were to ever find
>>out about my usage. I made up my mind a long time ago
>>that when the time comes and he asks me if I have ever
>>used drugs that I will be open and honest with him. I
>>am not proud to admit the drugs that I have used;
>>however I take great pride in knowing that I have quit
>
> Well, It's about 11 at night and for about a week I
>have been going crazy. I have been smoking pot every
>night for about 7 years. It started socially and then
>became a habbit. I am in a new relationship with a
>wonderful man who believe it or not doesn't smoke pot.
> Well when we first started dating, he would get us a
>bag here and there, but now that he has moved in with
>me, he has realized how addicted I am to it, and
>thinks I should quit. Well I have wanted to quit for
>about a year, but didn't have the strength to. Well
>ofcourse for about a week we have been fighting and it
>sucks. I have gone from being happy about it, to
>angry about it. I also know that I need to quit
>because within the past 2 years I have been getting
>panic attacks. Which I have done research and yes it
>can bring this on. I really want to stick to this but
>it is hard. I am tryng to look at the positive side.
>Like maybe I will loose the 30 pounds that I have
>gained from pigging out every night. But at night I
>get bored and frankly cigs taste like shit. I know I
>am rambling but what I want to know is how do you deal
>with the friends that you have had for years, that
>still do smoke pot. I am depressed about that. And I
>am to chicken shit to tell them I have quit for good.
>I am scared to be around them because I know if they
>roll one up, I will smoke it. And I hope that the
>craving will go away soon. I am sorry I am rambling.
>This is the first time that I have ever posted a
>message board. It's so sad that I don't know what to
>do if I am not smoking pot, does anyone know when the
>enjoyment of real life will come back?

I'm a 23yr old male. Smoking joints all day, everyday. I don't remember the clarity of thought, direction and desire that i used to have...but i used to have it. It must be mixed amongst the weed lost in the carpet, blown off your lap or in roach jars. Not addictive? Maybe not like smokes but its even more of a lifestyle. What you do, when you do, with who you do, where etc... How can I escape when I'm trapped? Move apartments...cities...countries? Wake up one morning in a place where pot is non-existent and conquer yourself cold-turkey style? Relations with family, friends, co-workers,and partners are distant, non-commital and vague. WHY WOULD I ALWAYS RATHER BE SMOKING A JOINT? I need to quit to carry on with my life. I already wake up to reality so seldom its scary, making me believe about the long-term effects. Help is so far from home.
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Author:
anne
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:12:01 04/14/03 Mon
I am a twenty six year old girl who lived with my boyfriend from college for a year and a half.He would walk in the door kiss me hello and then grab the weed.He would take some hits and feels like having dinner and talking.I on the other hand hit the point were pot wasn't fun anymore it made me depressed and I didn't like the way it felt anymore.So as I slowly came out of the fog our entire year and half was watching this guy I love get high.He said all the time its just like having a couple of drink but its not.We were never in the same reality and he can't plan anything.We are now split and he is now dating a younger girl who probably can't stand up to him and will go along with him.I would throw joints in the garbage and he would scream.He would have to smoke as soon as he walked in the door from anywhere.He even needed it on the holidays.When I moved out I threw everything away.But I know he hasn't changed his friends and that is constant connection to the weed.I can admit I thought it was fun in college but once you leave that artificial world it not as exceptable as we all think.
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Author:
Yabba
[Edit]
Date Posted: 00:29:19 07/15/03 Tue
Boy do I hear ya. Im in an what id like to think is a perfect relationship. But the reality of it is the pots gonna ruin so much, and i can feel it. me and my love have been together a wonderful but crazy year and a half. In the beggining we started hanging out getting high an then eventually hooked up. We moved into gether at 16 years old and did nothing but spent all the money we made on pot. About 4 months into the relationship I was rushed to the hopital for what felt like a heart attack. Upon my suprise I found it was just anxiety. Not to my suprise was the reasoning behind it. I had just been disconected from everythin i had everknow, and now on top of that I couldnt turn to the thc i loved so much, nor could that quality smoke time be spent with my boyfrien. Id had become "allergic". Now, a yearlater, after the YES "withdralls" which drove me and myfriends crazy, I ealize the effects it had on a persaon. He is depressed. Spends more time worried about his friend/pot time than me. And i know its the weed cuz when his buds got none he stays home with me and is depressed w/o nothin to smoke, but considers that "quality time" with me. I think he realizes that i know its b.s. but he can talk his way out of it usually because of my frustration. In otherwords his prioritys are all fucked up. In fact his disisions have gone ary as well, for the first time ever he accually shocked me when he got busted for shoplifting. Let me just say, that in a million years, nor me or anyone else ever expected him to do something so stupid. Anyway, for all of you out there who are having fun using, you will someday get a hard slap in the face from this miricle maker we all admire so much. My advice to you is, stop now before you get hit. If anyone has any advice or comments please reply1
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Author:
ALLEN A
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:24:41 04/02/04 Fri
BATTLED WITH THE HERB FOR A LONG TIME. ALL THE DIFFERENT
ANGLES , QUIT FOR AWHILE AND SAY JUST ONE JOINT AND ALWAYS
BACK TOKIN REGULAR AND QUIT FOR A WHILE AND JUMP BACK INTO IT HARD CORE. YES, I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE DEPRESSION AND THE
ANXIETY. ITS JUST NOT AS MELLOW AS ONE MAY THINK.THE PARANIOA AND THE NARROW FOCUS (OF COURSE WHEN ONE IS HIGH
ALL SEEMS WELL UNTIL REGULAR USE SETS IN)THEN ITS BACK INTO
THE BUZZED DEPRESSION, QUIT, ANXIETY, BACK INTO THE BUZZED
DEPRESSION. THE ONLY WAY I HAVE QUIT IS THROUGH THE LORD
JESUS CHRIST. GOD BLEES YOU ALL. ALLEN A.
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Author:
TP
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Date Posted: 10:01:48 05/05/03 Mon

im a 16 year old smoker. isnt it obvious everyone take me seriously. step back and see what good it has done us besides having a good time and making life's problems pause but they r still there un the end. i have a lot of pot smoking friends it's hard to stop but it isnt impossible
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Author:
LM
[Edit]
Date Posted: 23:48:46 05/08/03 Thu

pot really can stuff up your life. i smoked every single day without fail for 7 years. I was 15 when I started and 22 now. Feel like I've wasted large part of my life being dull, stoned and having numb senses.
I quit 3 days ago, so its early stages yet, but am determined not to get back into the rut. Are there withdrawals? Well from experience let me tell you there are many. Some physical like sewating constantly, unable to eat or hold down any food, restlessness, depression, anxiety, insomnia and having "electrical currents" go through your body. These electrical currents are actually the receptors in the brain letting our central nervous system know that it is missing the chemicals that it dependand on, and my legs keep moving and toes twitching as a result. If you are reading this thinking "yeah right mabey to you but not to me", let me tell you I was in the same position myself. Pot might have originated from a plant but the strains grown today are so potent that it is really just a cocktail of over 400 chemicals. All the best, and remember if you are trying to quit-no pain, no gain.
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Author:
eddie
[Edit]
Date Posted: 02:48:23 11/05/03 Wed
>what did you do about the sleep insomnua that seems to be my biggest problem.
>pot really can stuff up your life. i smoked every
>single day without fail for 7 years. I was 15 when I
>started and 22 now. Feel like I've wasted large part
>of my life being dull, stoned and having numb senses.
>I quit 3 days ago, so its early stages yet, but am
>determined not to get back into the rut. Are there
>withdrawals? Well from experience let me tell you
>there are many. Some physical like sewating
>constantly, unable to eat or hold down any food,
>restlessness, depression, anxiety, insomnia and having
>"electrical currents" go through your body. These
>electrical currents are actually the receptors in the
>brain letting our central nervous system know that it
>is missing the chemicals that it dependand on, and my
>legs keep moving and toes twitching as a result. If
>you are reading this thinking "yeah right mabey to you
>but not to me", let me tell you I was in the same
>position myself. Pot might have originated from a
>plant but the strains grown today are so potent that
>it is really just a cocktail of over 400 chemicals.
>All the best, and remember if you are trying to
>quit-no pain, no gain.
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Author:
Kee
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:03:14 03/13/03 Thu
>>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>>
>>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>>
>>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>>
>>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>>quit?!
>>
>>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>>to rationolize our smoking.
>>
>>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>>addiction = depression.
>>
>>Thanks!!
>I am 44 year old male. Smoked weed since I was 12 or
>13 Can't remember. (Duh?) Been through some serious
>deppresion let me tell you. Also asthmatic (duh?) Wife
>died of cancer, brother was murdered. Talk about
>depression. I have tried to quit many times, but
>always went back. After about a monthor so the
>craveing subsides and all is back to normal again
>(normal?) Appetite, sleep, sex, mood,attitude,etc. But
>for that first couple weeks life is hell. Sleep sleep
>sleep. Then it is anger anger anger. All I need is
>just 1 hit then it will go away. Then it will all come
>back when I stop again. I am just now comeing back to
>reality after not smokeing for about 2 weeks. Not over
>it completly but starting to feel better. So lets see
>I smoked for about 31 years and if you ask me, Yes pot
>does cause depression, short term memory loss and what
>was I gonna say? Oh yea a sense of hopelessness for a
>period of time after cessation. That means quiteing
>for all you college grads. Anti deppressants do not
>seem to help as far as I can tell. Only the passing of
>time. Could I smoke a little bit and not smoke any
>more? Probably not. I would be out trying to by a
>sack. Do I think Weed is addictive? Probably so. Do I
>have enough experience with weed? probably so. Will
>anybody listen to my words? Probably not!!! People who
>actively smoke do not want to hear some one tell them
>that weed is not good now do they? People say that
>smokeing weed makes you more open minded. What do you
>think on that one? If you smoke you will quit some
>day. Maybe on your dyeing day, But someday. My best
>suggestion would be to not start. That way you have no
>fear of quiting. Because I know, I hate quiting. But
>when I am clean. I am real. People say it is okay
>because it is natural. Anthrax is natural. Wanna do
>some? It cant be bad its natural. I can tell by the
>typo errors that the majority of people who contribute
>here really wasted or the forgot what they learned in
>school. What was I talking about? hmmmmmmmmm
___________________

I am a college student. I have been smoking since I was 13 when I first got depressed. I dont remember which led to the other. Pot used to help me somewhat with levelling my emotions. But now that I am older, I realize it is doing me harm. I've been smoking more and more everyday since I started. In moments of clarity, I have decided that I need a break from it. I can quit for a month at a time, but then the cravings start again. That's because it takes about a month to come out of your system. I always go back because I miss it so much. But I'm on medicine now for my depression, and it turns out that weed actually hinders its effectiveness. Weed makes your brain produce all the seritonin (the stuff that makes you feel happy) at once, and squeezes it all out. So when the weed wears off, you are left with an empty feeling. You cant feel happy under these conditions. So then you or I would just smoke more. But you notice you can't feel it as much. This is because you have depleated your stock of the chemical in your brain that allows you to feel good. Instead, you end up feeling numb and tired. Im so tired of being tired and depressed. I cant stand it anymore. I realize now that WEED IS THE PROBLEM. It is causing my depression. So for the first time, I have really decided to quit this time, for my own sake. I honestly feel better. Healthier, more active, happier. I know that some people handle things differently, but if you're like me, and deep down you know exactly what the problem is, then quit. I have to get my life back. I need to be happy again.....
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Author:
Kee
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:04:34 03/13/03 Thu
I am a college student. I have been smoking since I was 13 when I first got depressed. I dont remember which led to the other. Pot used to help me somewhat with levelling my emotions. But now that I am older, I realize it is doing me harm. I've been smoking more and more everyday since I started. In moments of clarity, I have decided that I need a break from it. I can quit for a month at a time, but then the cravings start again. That's because it takes about a month to come out of your system. I always go back because I miss it so much. But I'm on medicine now for my depression, and it turns out that weed actually hinders its effectiveness. Weed makes your brain produce all the seritonin (the stuff that makes you feel happy) at once, and squeezes it all out. So when the weed wears off, you are left with an empty feeling. You cant feel happy under these conditions. So then you or I would just smoke more. But you notice you can't feel it as much. This is because you have depleated your stock of the chemical in your brain that allows you to feel good. Instead, you end up feeling numb and tired. Im so tired of being tired and depressed. I cant stand it anymore. I realize now that WEED IS THE PROBLEM. It is causing my depression. So for the first time, I have really decided to quit this time, for my own sake. I honestly feel better. Healthier, more active, happier. I know that some people handle things differently, but if you're like me, and deep down you know exactly what the problem is, then quit. I have to get my life back. I need to be happy again.....
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Author:
frank
[Edit]
Date Posted: 17:16:55 03/18/03 Tue
I dont know why i tried "Mary Jane" in the beginning, maybe it was because i was depressed and i taught she would do it by letting me relax, which she did, nevertheless when im not smoking her, she's smoking me. Because of her i cannot concentrate like i used to, my anxities and depression are stonger then ever, and i feel like comitting suicide more now then ever. So the message is "DONT SMOKE WEED, IN THE LONG RUN it'll SMOKE YOU " (BANG IM DEAD).
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Author:
Shawn Bradly
[Edit]
Date Posted: 11:22:24 02/03/03 Mon
I don't want to become addicted to marijuana. can anyone help me on how not to be. i smoke weed every single friday, saturday, and sunday. i go through on average probably a half ounce each weekend. but i smoke it with 4 other friends every weekend. is this going to lead to addiction? i can throughout the week without smoking it. and i think i could go through the weekend, but it's just so easy to get and easy to do, i do it. can anyone help me out and tell me if i will become addicted? and give me your scenirio. email me at pimp_at_work@hotmail.com
Thanks
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Author:
Turtle
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:18:59 02/09/03 Sun
I have battled with depression and nervous system disorders for 9 yrs. (I'm 25). I first started smoking pot, yes, as a gateway drug and eventually graduated to shrooms and acid. I was fine as a pothead except for ditching school and typical teenager things that go on in an abusive home. I took a hit of acid one day that caused me to flip the fuck out, and it was not the first time I had taken it. I just had a bad trip and didn't come down for a week. It was a 'drug-induced psychotic breakdown' and I was treated in a hospital with powerful anti-psychotic drugs. It was horrible and was followed by a 3 month long SEVERE clinical depression.

The way this relates to the subject at hand is that marijuana by itself is known to set off psychotic episodes in people who have mental illness. I have done research on the subject and have experienced it myself. At one time, pot could cause me to have a total flashback of that bad trip, enough to go to the looney bin. I think that it works the same with depression; the pot can cause that mental illness to be set off, too.

I have recovered with the help of Spirituality, a wonderful Guru, a great family and pets, yoga, dancing to Grateful Dead music, arts and crafts, and anti-depressants. All this even led me to a rewarding career with animals. I also have learned to party moderately. I do not recommend this to anyone. I think you should quit completely if you have mental illness. It feels unfair that some people can do it and you can't, I know. I myself have had a major sruggle with tring to quit over the years, and I think it is rare to be able to use recreationally if you're an addict. I hope to someday be drug free, but at this time I avoid hard drugs and just smoke pot. But, damn, I wish I didn't like it so much!

I have read about some people that have successfully used cannabis to treat depression. They don't take the psych meds which is good, as doctors advise not to mix them. Everyone is different and I think it's up to the individual to find the best treatment for them. I also feel that you are not responsible for your disease, but you owe it to yourself and your family to find a solution. Good luck!
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
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Author:
Andre
[Edit]
Date Posted: 04:03:30 03/19/03 Wed
I feel for you mate, i have gone through the same thing, and yes dope causes deppresion of the worst kind, the reason you are getting deppression on an interval is because your body cant process in anymore dope at a certain point (saturation),then you feel a low, but when your body recovers you feel good again and the cycle starts again i have had the same, my advice to you is clean out your house of it all, don't hang around people who smoke it, destract youself in any way you can (go on holiday) to not think about it, and try a herb called "ST johns wart" to deal with the deppression, and "valarium" to deal with sleeplessness, it won't be easy but its the only way to save yourself from the eternal mysery that a maraijuana habit will give you, make no mistake about it, your life will be shit as long as you smoke it, GOODLUCK i realy hope you beat it.



>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
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Author:
douceman
[Edit]
Date Posted: 08:13:13 05/29/03 Thu
> yes it does... cause depression. i have been a user for 15 years. I have smoked daily for the last 10 years. I have a wonderfull wife and daughter and a decent job and education.
You would think a fella should be happy, but i am usually just numb.I have been to rehab 2 times to try and quit but each time i went back after a few months of being clean. I can tell you the depression will go away bu comes back after a few months. I personaly do not want to use anti depressants but to each his own. Go see a doctor that is familiar with substance abuse. check out NA..
Dont let anyone fool you , marijuanna is addictive and most people dont know that untill they try to quit. I am currently using and struggling to quit... hang in there and keep an open mind..
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Author:
Dave
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:29:25 06/20/03 Fri
Hello,

I know all about the link between Marijuana and depression.
I've smoked every kind of weed there is many times over in the past 26 years and quit for good because I finally come to terms that I wasn't getting the calmness and relief that I experienced in the past.
The quality of weed these days (expensive) is much different since I first smoked.
Much more of a cerebral effect.
The psychological effects became apparent to me in that I had to quit.
So just smoke the rest of it the right way all at once or gradually til it's gone then be done with it and move on with your life weed free.
It's as simple as that.
Your will is stronger than weed , believe me.

Dave

>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
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Author:
beltran
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:33:55 08/15/03 Fri
WHAT A GREAT THREAD !!!!
Im 41. Suffered from depression and ADD most of my life. We all have *very* different brains. (Think about it. The brain is the pinicle of evolution [on our planet] and evolutional flexibility depends on alot of variation. So that's where the action is !) So it *IS* hard to see others enjoying, what you know - because of your unique brain chemistry, will bring you down hard - eventually. I have a very successful 6 figure IT job. On the other hand I would be dead (by OD or suicide) if I hadnt found an effective anti-depressant. Prozac in my case. IMHO, the guy that smokes & just gets depressed for a week is DAMN LUCKY HE RECOVERS THAT QUICKLY ! I have been buried for months by this. I still struggle. The periods of greatest success are when I approach it as a sacramental event to be reverenced and experienced infrequently ... every couple of months. If I wasnt on Prozac, 2X/week would -> suicidal state in about a month. And im talkin about small amounts each time. And I also think, but im not sure, that if I never smoked again I might be able to go off Prozac. You would think that an intelligent person would pursue that, huh ?
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Author:
osman
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:57:48 03/26/04 Fri
i am feeling that exact same way you are. i have been smoking weed and hashish for the past 2 and a half years, with regular use for over the past year. my family members know about this problem and want to help. but i cant really say that i want to quit. i feel as though right now in my life it wont really harm me, but i know the effects are taking place. i am depressed and want to know what i can do to prevent myself from getting high. if anyone knows, please reply. thanks.


>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
[> Subject: Life and Times of Abstrakt


Author:
A.B. Rudeboy
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:41:27 04/04/04 Sun
whats up yall. i used to get blowed on weed everyday with my friend at least 2 times a day. it was all good i'd be nicely smoked up even tho i lose coordination i was havin fun. its been all good til about a couple months ago i got into it wit a friend while i was high and everything changed since then. its liek somethin clicked in my head like as if everything and everyone was and has been against me or talkin shit behind my back. i been came easily angered, lost my girl, lost most of my friends because i was losin my cool i was and still am a total wreck. the high sense of humor i got i dont have anymore, im just been so down. smokin before use to be all fun but now i cant even do it nomore. i dont like who i became...damn i wish i wouldve never smoked that L...
[> Subject: Oo. Re: MARIJUANA & DEPRESSION: What comes first??


Author:
andrea
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:00:33 04/22/04 Thu
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
well i am a smoker to and i smoke less than you but i have a friend who was having the same problem when she smoked so she went to the doctor and did some research on her problem and she had a thyroid problem and she just gave up smoking like that i am not saying that you have a thyroid problme but that might be something that you could look into because most women dont even know about a thyroid and it can kill you if you dont take care of it. it makes you feel like you just cant go on any more and also have you tried to cut down on the smoking because 5 to 10 joints thats alot of smoking let me know
[> Subject: Re: MARIJUANA & DEPRESSION: What comes first??


Author:
Michelle
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:51:06 04/27/04 Tue
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
Marijuana isn't going to solve depression and yes it will amke it worse. Depression is a process that you have to go through. Antidepressants aren't always going to work. You should try counciling or look into other options. My advice is stop using pot. Well I know that doesn't mean A thing but if really want to quit you can. There are many options if you need any help I am very willing
[> Subject: Re: MARIJUANA & DEPRESSION: What comes first??


Author:
kathy
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:22:07 08/27/04 Fri
>For the past year and half or so of my life I have
>been trying to answer this one very question. I have
>been going through crazy battles with depression for
>the past 2 to 3 years. I have been smoking marijuana
>for the past 4 years. For the past year or so, my
>marijuana use has turned into abuse, and I can finally
>say I am addicted and dependant on Cannabis.
>
>On the other hand, every other week I suffer from a
>sinking depression that lasts roughly a week every
>single time... It never fails to come back and I don't
>know it returns. I saw a few doctors who tried a few
>anti-depressants on me but nothing really helped.
>
>Could I be fooling myself this whole time?? Could it
>be the very own dope that I'm smoking that is making
>me depressed?? Can chronic marijuana use (5-10 joints
>a day) lead to depression?? on its own?! A depression
>that lasts for a whole week?! Does this make any sense
>to anyone or am i just imagining shit?!
>
>I am begging for help from anyone who has a similar
>situation. Nobody seems to understand me, and I don't
>know what to do anymore. I am ready to quit all use of
>Cannabis. Does anyone have any pointers on how to
>quit?!
>
>When people out there say how pot is so harmless and
>is only a plant, I laugh... We all know deep down
>inside that we are only addicted and find any excuse
>to rationolize our smoking.
>
>Thanks for listening, and I hope someone out there who
>can reply to me who knows anything about marijuana +
>addiction = depression.
>
>Thanks!!
I have a hard time also how people say it's so harmless. I was a heavy smoker for 10 years, and thought nothing of it. But like any drug for any addict, it ended up kicking my ass. I was emotionally, and spritually void, and all I wanted to do was end it all. I thought it was everything else but the weed. I am clean for 9 mos now, and did 30 days inpatient,(with some hellacious with drawal symtoms) I attend NA, and am so much happier then I ever thought I could be. I was not the only pot head in rehab, nor am I the only one in NA. And no, the others weren't using "heavier drugs" along with the weed. Im telling u, based on my experience, ITS THE WEED!!!
Subject: Married to a marijuana addict


Author:
Tc
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:00:26 07/08/04 Thu
I am married to a man that has smoked pot since he was 16, that is how he has dealt with all his problems and lived his daily life, well when he met me, I told him that was not my lifestyle and I would not be apart of it ( I have 2 children), after numerous break ups, he finally told me that it was out of his life for good. Shortly after I moved in with him, I discoverd that it wasnt out of his life at all. Long story short, he cut back alot and we got married, to my knowledge he may smoke about once a month now. But he always references to it when he is stressed, he just needs to "get high", he also drinks beer daily. But he is also VERY irritable and unable to control his emotions unless he is drunk or under the influence of something. Basically, he screams yells and recently got stoned and fell down the stairs while holding our 3 month old daughter. She wasnt hurt, thank god, he landed on his butt, but she could have been hurt really bad. Basically my relationship has been 50% a dream and 50% a nightmare, the nightmare is due to his smoking or his withdrawals from smoking. He sees nothing wrong with it and recents me for making him feel bad about it and not wanting it in my life...........Does anyone have any advice for me. I deeply love him for the 50% of the time when our marriage is good, but the other half is miserable and ashamed of the things my children have heard and seen due to his drugs..
[> Subject: Re: Married to a marijuana addict


Author:
o2K*Wabbit
[Edit]
Date Posted: 01:15:25 07/27/04 Tue
You know, that hurts so bad to read your message. I am 25 with a wife and 3 year old daughter. I have decided to quit today, hence why I am here. Reading your thoughts may help me to realize some of my wifes thoughts. However, it is hard to ask her or talk to her about it considering I dont want to hear how I have hurt her by seeing me smoke for the past 4 years. Maybe we can help each other. I can probably tell you things your husband is going through and hopefully you can give me insight to what my wife thinks and feels. Dont worry, I love my wife very much and I am not doing this to "met" someone. Just some help. You may email me at morley_al@hotmail.com. I should reply within a day or two. If not, then good luck to you and me.

>I am married to a man that has smoked pot since he was
>16, that is how he has dealt with all his problems and
>lived his daily life, well when he met me, I told him
>that was not my lifestyle and I would not be apart of
>it ( I have 2 children), after numerous break ups, he
>finally told me that it was out of his life for good.
>Shortly after I moved in with him, I discoverd that it
>wasnt out of his life at all. Long story short, he cut
>back alot and we got married, to my knowledge he may
>smoke about once a month now. But he always references
>to it when he is stressed, he just needs to "get
>high", he also drinks beer daily. But he is also VERY
>irritable and unable to control his emotions unless he
>is drunk or under the influence of something.
>Basically, he screams yells and recently got stoned
>and fell down the stairs while holding our 3 month old
>daughter. She wasnt hurt, thank god, he landed on his
>butt, but she could have been hurt really bad.
>Basically my relationship has been 50% a dream and
>50% a nightmare, the nightmare is due to his smoking
>or his withdrawals from smoking. He sees nothing wrong
>with it and recents me for making him feel bad about
>it and not wanting it in my life...........Does anyone
>have any advice for me. I deeply love him for the 50%
>of the time when our marriage is good, but the other
>half is miserable and ashamed of the things my
>children have heard and seen due to his drugs..
Subject: [Info] depression or marijuana which came first


Author:
n
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:07:07 07/15/04 Thu
im 17 and ive been depressed 10 yrs and so i was very willing to start smoking pot. but i dont think its is a gateway drug because i have not and will not do any others i feel better and can take more bs when im high my family likes me more (they dont no) and we fight less
Subject: Oo. re-pot&depression


Author:
jon
[Edit]
Date Posted: 17:07:34 06/27/04 Sun
I also had problems when I tried to quit smoking pot / after 1 mo. I was in the county mental inst. w/suicidal thoughts I could'nt get out of my head,no sleep for 4 nights,high off the prosac my family doctor perscribed once I was under control again I went back to pot & living a much better life without all the meds.
Subject: :~( marajuana use


Author:
gail
[Edit]
Date Posted: 23:08:50 06/23/04 Wed
I have had a long trip with substance abuse, I read an article that made some sense to me. Did you know that 50 percent of kids with add never outgrow it. Many adults like myself are just finding out that they suffer from add that was never diagnosed as a child there are lots of excuses for smoking pot, but an add diagnosis might shed light on a persons ability to cope with day to day life, surprisingly enough they say the smarter you are makes it harded to diagnose add, because smart people come up with some of the best coping stragities. smoking pot helped me at first then I built up a resistance so I smoked more. It can get pretty spendy. Especially if you have so called friends that know you have a little all the time (mooches)
well I wanted to quit. It was disgusting to me who would crawl out of the proverbial woodwork if they knew you had smoke. I was done, throw it away, no more. But the next day so much to do, how to get it done. So smoke a little bowl get things done, dont scream at the kids so much. I think my coping stragities have turned on me. I cant go without it
I just reread this and I realize I dont make much scense, I dont feel like such a smart person anymore, and the people around me are not the kind of people I used to hang with. It wasnt supposed to be like this
Subject: metal health and marijuana needs studies not opinions


Author:
Mr.bill
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:06:54 06/20/04 Sun
I have been struggling with a severe bipolar depression for 2 years. In these 2 years I have tried every family of anti-psychotic there is...the paxils effexors prozacs lithium, amphetamine as examples.
At 1st I was diagnosed with anxiety, then depression, then bipolar. My condition is now classified as resistant to treatment bipolar depression, which in itself does not even fit into "bipolar".
I have seen and talked with, at length, several top psycologists, who all give different answers or solutions and agree noone knows how these drugs affect the conditions.

Heres the kicker, I smoked pot for 9 years, heavy at times, and the last 5 was the smoke before bed type. Always had a good job, was above average in anything I did.

I quit 2 years ago, and this is when I started to not function normally, even has disabled me due to the depressive symtoms and side affects of various drugs.

Now thru understanding how little we know about the meds ive been prescribed, I and my doctor agree, medical marijuanna is a valid choice.

In fact all these drugs we hear about actually only affect 3 neuro-transmitters out of 70!

marijuana is the only known substance to affect a particular neuro-transmitter, and yet there is nothing mentioned in recent medical books on what it does or how it works.

So then, I will be trying it on a trial basis to see if the conditions improve, my best guess, probably better than a doctors guess or agreed with by a doctor, is that it will on that chemical level treat my condition.

WE NEED MORE STUDIES DONE PERIOD
if we know nothing about how these prescription drugs work now, and yet more studies are put on those, marijuana needs some serious consideration, If anything so we know more about mental health.

It amazes me that we have prescribed lethal drugs and yet marijuana with no scientific proof or studies as to what it does on that level is illegal for medicinal use.
Subject: Depression can be a way of life for some people


Author:
Lea
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:20:39 06/12/04 Sat
You get up at 7:00 am for work. Your tired but as the day goes on you begin to wake up. So far you feel your day went very well. You leave work and go home. It's now around 3:00 and you make plans with friends to go out. But some where things change...around 6:30 you want to lay in your bed. All you want to do is lay down because you feel like your body and mind are being sucked inside you. You have no reason to feel like this. Nothing bad happened to you today. Maybe it happens because you want to prove you still feel. Don't forget to turn your ringer off and lock you door so you friends cannot see you like this.
Anyhow pot has nothing to do with depression as far as I'm concerned. Everyone is different. Society just likes to place blame. I only smoke it once a year if that but for some it might be a tigger into a decay of depression. On the other hand it might make people want to go shopping the day after they smoke it-I've seen it.
Subject: dark energy.. something from the dark realm... I don't know how it works but it does


Author:
jo
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:07:22 06/11/04 Fri
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Authentic Mojo… it’s what you’ve been looking for…
Subject: MARY JANE IS SO FINE


Author:
g~g~g~g~g~ UNIT
[Edit]
Date Posted: 04:21:53 05/26/04 Wed
WEED IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYONES PROBLEMS!! IF YOU CAN HANDLE IT. YOUR ALL EITHER ADDICTED OR YOUR NOT...YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO CONTROL IT..FOR EXAMPLE IM 21 F BEEN SMOKIN FOR 3 YEARS..BEFORE I STARTED SMOKING I WAS DEPRESSED I SIGNED MYSELF IN TO A PSYCHIATRIC WARD FOR 3 MONTHS...HATED LIFE...TRIED TO KILL MYSELF...YEAH CAME OUT STARTED SMOKIN..IM NOT DEPRESSED ANY MORW MELLOWED OUT A LOT MORE RELAXED I LOVE SMOKIN I ENJOY MY TIME..I DO IT IN MY OWN HOME..MIND MY BUSINESS...I DRIVE HIGH...I WAITRESS HIGH...I SIT HIGH....AND I ENJOY LIFE HIGH...ITS NOT THE WEED ITS HOW YOU CONTROL YOURSELF AND SET YOUR MIND
Subject: Using maijuanna on the Job


Author:
Lawrence N. Blacker III ( Chip )
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:10:34 04/28/04 Wed
Hey Folks;

I think that smoking maijuanna is the greatest thing. Why my employer, Colorcraft Family Portraites, are so dump, that they allow me to smoke on the job. And we work in Fire Departments and half the firemen are policemen. Hell, I am so bold that we even drive around these small towns, like Dayton, IN and get high while showing the folks of this small town their portraties. I been doing this now for over thirty years and no body does anything.

So I say, smoke your dope if you got it. No ones looking anyway.

See ya on the high side..

Chip
Subject: cheating husband


Author:
andrea
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:33:02 04/22/04 Thu
well my story is i am married been married for four years now and we have a 2 year old little girl. and my problem is that my husband slept with my younger sister and my niece. and he slept with both of them in my house. at first when the story came out he lied he lied about all of it. and he called them names and everything,he said that they brought it to him he was not out looking for it. well i dont understand why did he lie about it and then months later he tells more to the story like he was with my sister more than once. it has been a year now and i have been kicking him out and letting him come back, i even told him that i wonted a divorce and everything and he will not leave or he wont take what i tell him as the truth he dont believe that i dont wont to be with him anymore. i need help i am still leaving with him and everything and i am going on like everything is ok and i am not i dont think that i will ever be the same. how do you leave someone and he doesnt believe that you dont wont to be with him i care about him but as far as in love i am not i dont love him at all. we dont even talk at night time we go home from work and watch tv and thats it. can someone out there please help me, i have even wonted to kill my self because he wont let me go and my parents tell him to just let me go and i will come back so he says that we need to live with each other and act like friends knowing that will never work what do i do. just leave and let my little girl stay there until i get us a home or what i am so lost and there is noone to help me and i am going crazy
[> Subject: Re: cheating husband


Author:
Michelle
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:57:35 04/27/04 Tue
>well my story is i am married been married for four
>years now and we have a 2 year old little girl. and my
>problem is that my husband slept with my younger
>sister and my niece. and he slept with both of them in
>my house. at first when the story came out he lied he
>lied about all of it. and he called them names and
>everything,he said that they brought it to him he was
>not out looking for it. well i dont understand why did
>he lie about it and then months later he tells more to
>the story like he was with my sister more than once.
>it has been a year now and i have been kicking him out
>and letting him come back, i even told him that i
>wonted a divorce and everything and he will not leave
>or he wont take what i tell him as the truth he dont
>believe that i dont wont to be with him anymore. i
>need help i am still leaving with him and everything
>and i am going on like everything is ok and i am not i
>dont think that i will ever be the same. how do you
>leave someone and he doesnt believe that you dont wont
>to be with him i care about him but as far as in love
>i am not i dont love him at all. we dont even talk at
>night time we go home from work and watch tv and thats
>it. can someone out there please help me, i have even
>wonted to kill my self because he wont let me go and
>my parents tell him to just let me go and i will come
>back so he says that we need to live with each other
>and act like friends knowing that will never work what
>do i do. just leave and let my little girl stay there
>until i get us a home or what i am so lost and there
>is noone to help me and i am going crazy

Wow that is really hard!I'm so sorry! You need to be firm! Press for the divorce! What he did was wrong and nothing will be able to change that! I suggest you leasve him and go stay with some friends or your parents! Contact the authorities. Whatever you do don't step down! Don't let him see that you are weak! And remeber you are the victim not him in anyone so never be sorry about what your doing!
Subject: Marijuana


Author:
Michelle
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:16:27 04/09/04 Fri
Hey um so I know all of you guys have your own opinions of pot but what would you say is the most negative thing about pot. If you could tell me some of your stories that would be most appreciated!

Thanks
[> Subject: Re: Marijuana


Author:
andrea
[Edit]
Date Posted: 14:05:38 04/22/04 Thu
>Hey um so I know all of you guys have your own
>opinions of pot but what would you say is the most
>negative thing about pot. If you could tell me some
>of your stories that would be most appreciated!
>
>Thanks
the most neg thing that i think of is that it can cost you a pretty penny if you let it take over. and also a lot of people who smoke usely try other drugs i have been smoking pot and i did go ahead and try other drugs and i dont like other drugs but they can get the best of you if youlet it i have seen to many people go down from trying other drugs and the drugs took their lives over.
[> [> Subject: Re: Marijuana


Author:
Michelle
[Edit]
Date Posted: 18:39:22 04/27/04 Tue
>>Hey um so I know all of you guys have your own
>>opinions of pot but what would you say is the most
>>negative thing about pot. If you could tell me some
>>of your stories that would be most appreciated!
>>
>>Thanks
>the most neg thing that i think of is that it can cost
>you a pretty penny if you let it take over. and also a
>lot of people who smoke usely try other drugs i have
>been smoking pot and i did go ahead and try other
>drugs and i dont like other drugs but they can get the
>best of you if youlet it i have seen to many people go
>down from trying other drugs and the drugs took their
>lives over.
Thanks for the information so how long did it take before you got hooked on marijuana?how much did it cost?sry for all the questions?
Subject: Dont get lost in chemicals


Author:
Mr. fuckup
[Edit]
Date Posted: 21:52:49 04/12/04 Mon
i am a person who has everything going for them, but for some reason there is a wall in front of me, blocking the true sight of what i really have. i smoke weed, have done a lot of ecstacy, and have tried cocane, the scary thing is since i tried cocane over 2 yrs ago, im seeing this habbit progress into somthing i thought would never happen, i wish i never did ex, weed or anything else for that matter drugs are bullshit and bring you down. i feel that i am in a downward spiral where there is no hope to get out of it. bottom line, DRUGS ARE BAD! everything they told us in school was true, dont let the devil in! maintain a clear mind.
Subject: Does it cause depression


Author:
amanda
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:11:49 03/30/04 Tue
yall are crazy to many smokers but let me tell you it doesnt or i will be depressed ive done it for 7 years all it got me was homeless because my parents found out and i have 2 children each timei got high i always wanted to fuck now that i have my life has been ruiend
Subject: drugs its self


Author:
ted s
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:07:14 03/26/04 Fri
hi my freinds im not a pot user oh ive tried it maybe 2 times thats right its makes you numb but let me tell you
this site caught my eye for the good i had a freind who uses pot daily for the past 30 years and he turn to cocaine
lost his home job 100 k a year but thats not all he did me dirty first of all i have a good heart and soul and to get to the point he had a girl at his place she was into heavy drugs i did not know this he set me up with her the next day she told me she had a problem with drugs but i did not know how bad she was clean at the time but the more i got to know her she was so bad all the storys she told me
i said boy what did i get into any how i try to help her
talked to na rehab centers clinics she was out there
herion and cocaine very fast i went to the doctors to test my blood its fine thank god with herion use na told me
1 out of 40 get well cause the detox makes you so sick
and they dont want to be so what they do is go to the metadone clinic to lose the craving it stops the craving
but she went every day and she relapsed 3 times on me
took my car one night never came home with it that was the end her own mother wants nothing to do with her the worst part is i still love her for i did see who she really was
but her drugs took over her from any feelings what so ever
and i was told by na that they get clean for a bit but eventually go back to thier own peers and people they love
for drugs it thier lifes its been 7 months since ive seen her but wow im not over this my self i see a therapist
for deppresion but i wont turn to drugs or alcolhol by any means thank you for reading my message and god bless you all stay off pot and youll be just as good as gold
ted
Subject: (!) Heathens, your "depression" is a punishment from God! Repent and be free!


Author:
Rev. Nathaniel P. Robbins
[Edit]
Date Posted: 22:35:08 02/25/04 Wed
My Church does not have handicapped ramps!
My Church does not have handicapped parking spaces!
My Church does not provide hymnal books in Braille!
My Church does not employ a person versed in "sign language"!

When asked why we do not make accommodations for such people, I sternly rebuke them with, "We do not cater to UNREPENANT SINNERS, in the House of the Lord!"

This may come as a shock to many of you, as it is far from what we have come to coin, "politically correct". But the Lord never bothered being "P.C.", and neither shall I!

I am reminded of a time when I visited an Episcopalian church some time ago. The minister, as is custom, faces the altar with his blessings and then turns to the congregation stating, "May the Lord be with you", with the congregation replying, "And also with you". Well, on this occasion, the minister's microphone was not working properly and he turned around, patting the mike on his lapel saying, "There's something wrong with this thing.", and thus the people seated therein replied, "And also with you"!

While an amusing anecdote, it also teaches an important lesson. There WAS something wrong with this minister, and the way he conducted his church! While I was sitting in that church, I noticed up front there was a lady flashing what looked like gang symbols to the front few rows, with each person in turn flashing back symbols as if they were some sort of demented air traffic controller! It was very distracting to those of us wishing to sincerely praise the Lord. My host next to me explained their church offered service for the "hearing impaired" as if it were something to brag about. I was unimpressed.

Next, and most shocking, towards the end of the service when the minister offered communion to the servers, I noticed one of them was a little off-kilter... to say the least. Shorter than the rest of them, with sloped shoulders and a bowl haircut which barely was able to contain the large cowlick in the back of his head, he wore unfitted clothing which went out of style over a decade ago. Worse still, a large, silly grin beamed on his face from ear to ear below his upturned nose and his out of place eyes on his tiny little head.

It was clear this boy was a retard.

Well, I had just had it! Even if I had not already been planning on refusing to take bread and wine from this apostate church, I certainly would have avoided it upon seeing this drooling fool! Was this minister wrong???? Goodness! He could only get MORE wrong by inviting a busload of rapists and drug pushers from the local prison into his church!

I stood up from my seat, addressing the minister so that all his congregation could hear his iniquities, and rebuked the SNOT out of him, so that all that was left of him was a stuttering schoolboy (and I do believe that young retard wet his pants) when I exposed this mockery for what it was!

When my good work was complete, I calmly walked out of that "church" and have not returned to one again! God Bless!

Where did this minister go wrong, you might ask? Well, as a Man from Jesus' Own, I shall enlighten you!

There can be no doubt the Lord does not want any sinners fouling up the pristine air where His true followers meet for fellowship and worship.

2 Cor.6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Titus 3:10-11
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

What good could possibly come of inviting a sinner to church??? Inviting unclean thought into the House of the Lord is only inviting trouble, as all the sinner can think about is having his way with the decent, pious, Christian ladies and how he can steal some money out of the collection plate!

What does this have to do with the disabled? EVERYTHING!
The term "disabled" or "handicapped" was invented by the no-good, lying members of the demoncrat party and the lieberal media! These terms were invented to sugar-coat this portion of our population and trick Christians into not seeing them for what they really are; and that is CURSED SINNERS!

Oh yes, they might look at you with sorrowful and cute doe eyes, and smile their donkey grins, but make no mistake about it: If these people had their full senses, you would be strung up and at their perverted mercy before two shakes of a stick! There is a reason for everything, folks! And there is an awfully good reason the Lord smited these heathens! They do not deserve our "coddling", they deserve our SCORN! Amen!

These people are guilty of horrible, horrible crimes and thus are forced to pay for their crimes (or their ancestor's crimes) while here on the earth, as well as in HELL!

It is not a "shame", a "tragedy" or "bad luck" they turn out this way... It is no accident, don't be fooled!

Exodus 4:11
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Whether they were aware of it or not, these folks (or their parents and so on) greatly displeased the Lord, and thus, invited His glorious wrath down upon themselves and all their unfortunate ancestors!

Leviticus 5:17
And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

Behind those glazed or unseeing eyes, folks, lies the souls of PURE evil! Evil often molded by SATAN himself! The blind, deaf and dumb (and DUMB) are Lucifer's own "wolves in sheep's clothing"! Who better to get us to lower our guard than some blind beggar asking for change, or some imbecile drooling on himself and bouncing into walls???

The Lord warns us of these people! To not heed His warning is to invite sin upon ourselves!

Leviticus 21:16-17
... Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous

Throughout the ages, the Lord has cursed sinners with horrible plagues, boils, halitosis, leprosy and other such maladies! Unless you want to be caught in His great net of vengeance, I suggest you STAY AWAY!

2 Kings 6:18
And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.

Zephaniah 1:17
And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

These "people" had their chance at redemption before the Lord a LONG time ago! It is not yours or my business to preach the Gospel to them, as they only seek to mock it!

These "people" belong in prisons and guarded hospitals where we are safe from them. I encourage all True Christians to disregard the "tolerance" they have been taught when it comes to these demented souls. Disregard it when someone might say, "they are just like you, they're people with feelings, too". Well they're not "JUST LIKE YOU" or they'd be able to see, hear and talk like a normal human being, now wouldn't they??? These people are clearly of the devil and there are no "ifs, ands or buts" about it!

God Bless and if you wish to discuss it further, visit True Christians Unite at http://pub49.ezboard.com/ftruechristiansunitefrm1!

Nathaniel P. Robbins
Subject: is suicide the only way?


Author:
maria
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Date Posted: 23:08:05 02/16/04 Mon
I"M in so much pain the only way out is to commit suicide. But what keeps me going are dirty/sick conversations online... please help me!
You can rach me at my AOL Instant Messenger SN: WhiteMateriaXV
Subject: [Info] friends of my world


Author:
Advance
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Date Posted: 01:59:06 02/11/04 Wed
firstly this whole thing i'm about to spit out at you in words is going to be directed towards a person from my imagination with a world of different qualities, a single person that i am going to call adam. you might want to know a little about adams life. he is gay he has worked all his life at a bank he is going through a divorce he has no success in his life, he is hated looked at as an intruder 'so he has felt' everywhere he goes he is sad and he makes everyone see him as a sad person.
marijuana is a plant that grows all over the world perhaps and we all love it. I know why we do love it so much and how important it is for us to get high, im fuking 26 yrs old man, i am a pro smoko mijuana, no one competes with where i have been and done the things i have done, i am 26 yrs old less of an age of my grandfather or my dad but i know that they were all in their own worlds making their own choices and therefore they created this world for us and so we are here, the ancestors of the world left behind knowledge of herbs, we enjoy pleanty of them, there is harm in some and in some there is no harm, what do you want from your life, have one goal, focus on it , let it be a sort of hope for tomorrow that when you awoke maybe you can see what i see when i look at the sun with my third eye, can you not see, then you are still in an eggshell thats all i got to say, the president dont even know or can understand what i am saying because he is a blind man, are you all you individuals blind, think about this fact , ol bush is who has made it illeagal, will you go out there alone to ask him about his laws, i mean there's ways to score and keep scoring but man , you dont realise that you are making a thread and that thread is so easy for you to see and for the others, will you be able to face the ones you know the ones you love the ones you dont know the ones that are not your friends and the ones that dont care for what we do. Try to look like a solid person, identify yourself as a body like others and let your brain take notes learn everything, let it be the beggining if you thought it was the end, think of it like one big exploration day, man i cant tell you more i dont want to make people hurt because i have these powerful insights about life, i am living in so many different stages of life alone , one forever that you would not be able to conclude who i was . i am always meditating, i can live without anything now man, but i chose what i chose
love ya'll
take it easy
Subject: friends of my world


Author:
Advance
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Date Posted: 01:58:05 02/11/04 Wed
firstly this whole thing i'm about to spit out at you in words is going to be directed towards a person from my imagination with a world of different qualities, a single person that i am going to call adam. you might want to know a little about adams life. he is gay he has worked all his life at a bank he is going through a divorce he has no success in his life, he is hated looked at as an intruder 'so he has felt' everywhere he goes he is sad and he makes everyone see him as a sad person.
marijuana is a plant that grows all over the world perhaps and we all love it. I know why we do love it so much and how important it is for us to get high, im fuking 26 yrs old man, i am a pro smoko mijuana, no one competes with where i have been and done the things i have done, i am 26 yrs old less of an age of my grandfather or my dad but i know that they were all in their own worlds making their own choices and therefore they created this world for us and so we are here, the ancestors of the world left behind knowledge of herbs, we enjoy pleanty of them, there is harm in some and in some there is no harm, what do you want from your life, have one goal, focus on it , let it be a sort of hope for tomorrow that when you awoke maybe you can see what i see when i look at the sun with my third eye, can you not see, then you are still in an eggshell thats all i got to say, the president dont even know or can understand what i am saying because he is a blind man, are you all you individuals blind, think about this fact , ol bush is who has made it illeagal, will you go out there alone to ask him about his laws, i mean there's ways to score and keep scoring but man , you dont realise that you are making a thread and that thread is so easy for you to see and for the others, will you be able to face the ones you know the ones you love the ones you dont know the ones that are not your friends and the ones that dont care for what we do. Try to look like a solid person, identify yourself as a body like others and let your brain take notes learn everything, let it be the beggining if you thought it was the end, think of it like one big exploration day, man i cant tell you more i dont want to make people hurt because i have these powerful insights about life, i am living in so many different stages of life alone , one forever that you would not be able to conclude who i was . i am always meditating, i can live without anything now man, but i chose what i chose
love ya'll
take it easy
Subject: u ppl are retarded


Author:
Amy
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Date Posted: 10:02:58 01/27/04 Tue
ok u people think marijuana makes u depressed?! ok well where is ur proff? do u have any? can u tell me it if u have any? haha u people are hallarious!
Subject: Feels bad


Author:
Matt
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Date Posted: 18:40:21 01/25/04 Sun
I've been smoking pot for three years now - started off smoking only at parties or with friends, but never more than once or twice every two weeks. Over the past 2 years my 'addiction' has become almost unbearable, to the point where I need to smoke a cone or two every few hours. When I don't smoke or don't have any pot left the only thing on my mind is WHEN CAN I SCORE SOME MORE WEED. I hate having such a reliance on it, but its so hard to break...
It goes like this : I smoke some cones and reason with myself that this will be the LAST time, then when the pot runs out that reasoning goes out the window. Its more mental than anything else, as the feeling of scoring a bag of pot is always great - knowing that I have it is the base of my addiction to it.
Its been four days since Ive smoked, every night I break out in sweats and wake up almost soaked in it. I have vivid dreams, almost always horrible ones. But the thing is, ever since I began smoking weed regulary my social skills evaporate. I only feel like staying in my room by myself, I shun my little brother, I've shuned my friends to the point where I no longer have even ONE. I've tried many times to quit, but as I have said, once I run out of weed I become easily irratable - There is no such thing as a last cone for me - its either I quit completely NOW or go on smoking until I'm 30 years old, still sitting in my room getting high every day and night. Thats a scary fucking thought. My advice to anyone with an addictive personality is this : Either quit COMPELETLY, no "last smoke", or face the reality that marijuana has taken over your life.
Subject: [Info] mental Illneses and dealing with it


Author:
wildflower
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Date Posted: 12:39:21 01/11/04 Sun
Hi I'm Wildflower, I have been diagnosed with bi-polar and then re-diagnosed with Borderline personality Disorder... My main problems are anxiety and depression ..Because of my frustration with the mental heath system we all have to deal with and other peoples general ignorance and attitudes on the subject of mental Illness I have started a news letter to try to create more awareness about mental Illness. In the newsletter I give occasional updates on my personal story and lots and lots of info and links about different mental illnesses. So it can be very informative as well. Basically i am trying to be heard. I would like to be able to send this info out to all those who suffer from a mental illness and those who care about them as well. If you would be interested in receiving this newsletter please e-mail me : wildflower_r@excite.com
Subject: Some websites I have found useful


Author:
Amanda Blake
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Date Posted: 08:49:17 01/10/04 Sat
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Subject: Harm


Author:
Mick
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Date Posted: 04:39:13 12/22/03 Mon
I realised recently that if I ever caused an upset with someone - knowingly or unknowingly - that I would try to handle this upset by harming myself in an effort to placate the other person. This included serious physical damage to myself and attempted suicide. Having spotted this I am now no longer going to do it and wished to let you know this. It would be better for me to confront the things I have caused and handle them. Love Mick.
Subject: Music is Healing for the depressed


Author:
thermal
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Date Posted: 05:52:51 11/27/03 Thu
hi, come check out the music post board where you can talk about your favorite bands and different styles of music, music is healing for the mind and soothing for the soul come and check it out it's a brand new board, thanx here's the link,

http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/themusicboard/index.cgi
Subject: My Experience with Marijuanna.


Author:
Viking_BaldGuy
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Date Posted: 04:35:49 11/26/03 Wed
I just skimmed through most post on this board. So I felt I might Help someone a little by telling you guys about my experience with our beloved little plant.

I began smoking Marijuanna at a party when I was 14 years old. I started smoking it frequently when i was 15. When I was 16, I smoked it every day. When I turned 18, I had an apprentice ship in this printing shop. My colleagues were some very small people that found satisfaction in being as evil towards me as possible. Anyway, I was in school in copenhagen at the time, when all hell broke loose. (I'm Danish btw) I had been having this feeling that life isnt worth living, and theres "no light at the end of the tunnel", when my mood started dropping drasticly.
After a few more weeks in school, I went home to work at the printing shop again. This was around christmas time.
So, I had a few days off. During theese days I kinda sunk into myself, and didnt remove myself from the couch. My mom was visiting her family in Australia, so I wasn't spending christmas with anyone that year. After new years eve, I had to go back to work. Altho, it was impossible for me to go anywhere, because I had become paranoid. I thought people was watching me, and wanting to hunt me down etc. A few days later, my mom called, and she could hear I was all fucked up. So she called an family freind, wich came to talk to me. He took me home to his place, and made a call to my boss, so I wouldnt get fiered.
He spent a few days trying to calm me down, and making my head straight again. When he finally gave up, he sent me to a psychiatric hospital. I spent 6 months in that godforsaken place, getting well enough to get out of there. And another 6 months recovering from my illness, at my mom's house. What happened was, I'd been having a depression on and off, since I was 16. When I became 18, I got even more out of balance, and became paranoid, and eventually psychotic. So the final diagnosis was "Depressive psychosis with skizofrenic tendencies".
It only got this far, because the marijuanna helped me keep certain symptomes down. Wich ones I dont know, the doctors never explained that. So, for you to get all that right i should write : Marijuanna started my depression, but kept me content when I smoked. So the depression just developed, and developed, until I became paranoid. Not the kind of paranoid you become when you smoke, but utterly paranoid, even when I didnt smoke. Because the only people that saw me, was the guys at work, wich didnt really know me, and never got to know me, couldnt tell the small differences that is so hard to see from the outside. So even then the paranoia got to develop even further. At this time, I had this feeling that my nerves were wore down, I was burnt out, and I was even scared to even go to the store to buy groceries. When the spychosis came, fantasy and reality melded together for me. I couldn't tell what was imagination, or what was real.
Anyway. I talked to my freinds about what happened, and thay said that it was no feckin way marijuanna could do that to you, because marijuanna is harmless! And they came so far, that they convinced me that marijuanna is harmless. Meaning I was convinced that the doctors got it all wrong, because marijuanna cant hurt you. So, I started smoking again. About 2 months after i started again. Suprise ;) I went to the psychiatric hospital again. The doctors used a lot of time explaining brain chemistry, and psychology to me, so that no matter what people say, marijuanna is bad for you. acctually worse than alcohol. Wich is why marijuanna is prohibited, and alcohol is legal.
I dont want you to get this wrong though. Marijuanna is LESS harmfull than alcohol, depending on how much you smoke. If you smoke say once a month, theres virtually no harm done. Virtually. If you smoke every day, theres permanent damage, that you wont know is there, before you stop smoking alltogether. I could list all the damages here, but I acctually have other things to do =) Just trust me when I say, getting drunk, and killing a few billion braincells is better than smoking and altering your personality, and damaging you brain and mentality beyond repair.
I know theres a lot of people thats gonna say i'm wrong, and frankly i dont give a flying rats ass, its their brainmatter =)
So, I hope that you understand that smoking is gonna fuck you up SO bad, unless you keep it at smoking say once a month. If you smoke everyday, you can compare it to alcaholics. They are drunk all day, and in a way, so are you. ... I'm 23 now, havent smoked for ... 3 years. I have no education, no job no future, and I can only thank myself and marijuanna for it.
I was so weak, that i smoked every day.
Marijuanna was so evil it fucked me up. But only because I was weak.

Theres this 50 year old american I know, he put it in this way. Marijuanna can be your best freind, or the worst fucking diabolic enemy you could ever imagine. The line between the two things is so fine, that if you start looking for it, it's allready your enemy.

Please excuse any spelling errors and/or grammar errors. I'm only Danish after all =)

Viking_Baldguy
Subject: Re: Marijuanna Does cause Depression


Author:
Tabatha
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Date Posted: 13:42:18 11/17/03 Mon
Why do people think that marijuanna is a hallucinagin? It's not unless it's lace with acid,etc. I think that ppl shouldn't down weed if you have never done it!! It makes you feel good. It also makes you more creative. No I wouldn't recomind driving if you are stoned out of your mind. But it doesn't make you see things that you normally wouldn't see. Ppl are so blind. Weed is only a plant!! And it helps depression. It does NOT cause Depression. I would know bc I have used it to get rid of my depression for the day and it does help. Unlike crank, etc; it is NOT as addictive. Those of you who have never smoked weed, do NOT down it bc you have not experienced the feeling!!
Subject: depression


Author:
Linda
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Date Posted: 17:10:20 11/03/03 Mon
I think I am depressed and am having trouble beating it.
I recently quite my job. I sleep all day everyday. It is out of control. My day usually is as follows:
6a.m.-wake and dress daughter for school
7:15 a.m.- take daughter to school
8 a.m.- read the paper for class
9 a.m.- sleep until 2 p.m.
2p.m.- pick up daughter
3 p.m.- return home sleep until class (working on masters)
or if I have to turn in an assignment I will still up to complete it.

6p.m.-9p.m. class

9 p.m.-10 p.m.- mess around at home, eat if I feel like it
10 p.m.-sleep
Subject: Great site, thank you for sharing it


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Subject: anti depressants


Author:
MARIE
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Date Posted: 17:06:31 10/30/03 Thu
I have just been put on anti depressants. I not severly depressed or any of the sort I simply dont have any motivation or love for life. Now that I am on this medication I fear that if I ever choose to drink or smoke, what would the side effects be. How risky is it to mix drugs/alchohol with anti-dep? Please help me, party this weekend! THANKS!
Subject: Yes, now we got it!


Author:
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Date Posted: 15:14:45 10/29/03 Wed
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Subject: Marijuana and depression - which came first...?


Author:
Stan Plock
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Date Posted: 04:47:13 10/29/03 Wed

Before I started smoking pot, I was shy and not very sociable.

I smoked pot DAILY from age 16 to about 35 (20 years).

Yes, it made me more withdrawn and more forgetful. But it was better than suicide or becoming an alcoholic. I could smoke just enough to feel ok without seriously affecting my job or social life. (I had no social life before marijuana, anyway...) So I consider marijuana the lesser of the other evils: Tobacco, alcohol, or nothing at all...

Then, the Loma Prieta Earthquake forced me to seek medical attention because I started having anxiety attacks.

My doctor told me that I had been self-medicating with marijuana. I also smoked cigarettes and drank alcohol - but the marijuana kept me from needing as much alcohol as some of my non-pot-smoking friends drank. So I probably saved some liver damage at the expense of my lungs. I used a bong so that filtered a lot of the tar. I probably got MUCH more tar from the cigarette smoking.

Anyway... When I started taking Trazadone, it took a good SIX WEEKS before it kicked in. Suddenly I found myself dancing joyfully around the kitchen! What a feeling!!!

Soon I realized that my craving for alcohol diminished to where I hardly drank at all.

My craving for marijuana also diminished incredibly. I practically quit altogether (only on rare ocasions did I smoke a doobie or a few bong hits). I was AMAZED!!!

I was able to quit smoking too. This was VERY DIFFICULT! And that's an understatement!

Note: I had very good results with hypnosis on a previous ocassion. Don't under-estimate the power of suggestion. (This was a Steven Present seminar). But I also did the same exact seminar a second time with no results at all. Explain that...??? Anyway, the Trazadone seemed to give me an INNER STRENGTH to bear through the "hell" of nicotine withdrawl.

Note: One day, I forgot to put on my nicotine patch. I was having very depressing thoughts all of a sudden. (Even while I was taking the Trazadone!) A few minutes after putting on a patch, these disappeared.

I also took Wilbutron (spelling...?) for awhile. One of these (I think it was the Trazadone...? This was a long time ago.) made me very sleepy. I could see how thisex life (If I actually had a sex life back then...) I would take the trazadone(?) then brush my teeth before bed. As I was brushing my teeth (about 5 minutes after taking the trazadone) I fely as if I was having an anxiety attack. Then I would get very weak and end up on my knees, still trying to finish brushing my teeth and still have enough energy to get to bed before I passed out. The other drug didn't have this effect. (Maybe someone else can tell us for sure which of the two drugs had this effect...) After a few years, I switched to prozac. It was about the same (for me) as the Wilbuton.

Anyway... my social life improved a LOT! I soon married and lived happily ever after... (We have 2 children too)

Then 9-11 hit.

Within a few months after 9-11 I started having cravings for marijuana, again. I had been non-addicted for about 10 years.

Since smoking pot made me lethargic and caused anxiety, I tried making "herbal tea". THC is not water soluable. So I ate the bud after drinking the tea. This had a calming effect similar to xanax and to my surprise I had no anxiety or fforgetfulness. In fact, because I was more relaxed, it seemed that my memory actually improved.

Because pot is so expensive, I set up a 400 watt grow light in a closet. I read that simply chewing marijuana buds would get you high. Since the tea I was making didn't dissolve THC, this was similar to what I was already doing.

So I would go to the closet and chew on a few fresh buds. This was GREAT! Releif from depression without the anxiety or memory loss. What could be better...? (I was still takiing prozac. But it was't enough after 9-11 and losing my job... I needed more...!

Anyway... since I had about 6 plants that were ready for harvest, I chewed a few too many buds. This resulted in a very "enlightening" experience. (Typically referred to as a psychotic episode, religious experience, bipolar disorder, hypnotic trance or many other names, depending on the specific experience of this asleep/awake bridge.)

This is a very long story which you can read at http://www.stanp2.50megs.com
I can't even begin to explain here...

Summary:

From my personal experience, it seems that depression causes chemical dependency.

Marijuana is better when ingested. And even better when chewed slowly (or otherwise absorbed through the skin). There's a link on my web site that claims that Jesus used marijuana as an annointing oil to induce a higher state of awareness. VERY BELIEVABLE!

Prozac and wilburton seemed to be very effective (for me) while trazadone had some undesireable side effects. (I hope I don't have that backwards...)

My wife tells me that smoking marijuana is great because it increases the time it takes me to "finish". (It may actually be a de-sensitizer. But that's ok.)

It may require a larger amount of marijuana for chewing than it does for smoking. Since our absurd over-regulating (on-and-on Yes, I hate what our government does...!) has pushed pot prices to an almost un-affordable level, (You might as well buy cocaine which is more addictive and harmful to your health... and usually more available!) it's very difficult to have such quantity to experiment with chewing buds unless you can start your own garden. (Which is a felony).

If Jesus knew what they have done He'd roll over in His grave!

Well that's my 2 cents worth.

I hope this helps.

Update: Since I have no job (I was an engineering technician in the telecom industry), we moved to Indonesia (my wife's homeland). I cannot afford to buy prozac. So I have only what little "herbal medicine" I can grow. (It takes about 3 months to grow a plant. And the low yeild I;m getting only lasts about a week (per plant). (For some reason, I was doing much better in my first garden with the 400 watt grow lamp.)

anyway... I still get sudden drop-outs where I feel a GREAT SADNESS that lasts a few minutes. The cause seems to be on a sub-conscious level below my conscious awareness. But I believe it is related with the 9-11 tragedy and the way the world is in general. See my web site for details... I get these drop-outs (crying spells) even when I'm stoned.

I guess it's as Led Zep's lyrics claim:

"The pain of war cannot exceed the woe about the man".

Other factors include:

Having no Job (with the pay and type that I was used to).
Living in a foreign country whare the living conditions are less than what I'm used to and I don't speak the language.
My wife hasn't been herself since our second child was born. Post partum depression that continued for a year and a half... Constant yelling between mom and the kids...

I don't know which of us will commit suicide first... We're both hanging by a thread... If I can get enough pot, I can hang. A little forgetfulness isn't that bad compared to suicide. Prescription drugs cause too much financial burden (when you have no income).

Right now the youngest child is screaming and mom is lying on the floor. She refuses to be dependent on any drugs. prescription or herbal... Oh well... welcome to life in hell... (see my web site for more and why this is so..)

Best Wishes,
Stan Plock
Subject: from ayman


Author:
ayman
[Edit]
Date Posted: 12:26:46 10/19/03 Sun
i am 28 years old i live in egypt since i was 15 yers old
i was in 3rd year primary school ready to go to high school 1989 a teatcher showted at me in school i was so sensitive
i got depressed i kept away from my friends in school
the time went in high school i didnt feel it
i was nearly absent minded it was a new era in my life getting from childhood to teenage i didnt have any friends
at high school by third year i couldnt know what i was thinking i aimed to become my brother had gone to engineer faculty so i did as well,i thought of studing architecture
as i felt i liked drawing
4 years went away i was always feeling i didnt live my teenage at high school ididnt have friends or enjoy my life as i had deamed before 3rd year primary school
also this continued with me till end of college 1998
i work in a company now for 2 years after finishing military
i feel very depressed i didnt enjoy my teenage or my youth till end of college,i feel despair because time will never come back again
i dont know what i was dreaming to be or what i shall do
in rest of my life
i dont know how shall i marry,why i shall marry
i feel marraige will even make me be more responsable
and not enjoying any thing
i dont know what to do
i was very intillegent before all this happined i used to be the first on my school every month and i have all my
monthly reports at that time but after that ugly year every thing changed
i dont think any one shares me any thing
what do you suggest
Subject: :~( Cutting,Bipolar, Depression


Author:
Melanie
[Edit]
Date Posted: 20:15:06 10/09/03 Thu
hi Im new to this I am a 17 yr old girl, recently released from the hospital. I cut myself to relieve stress. I was diagnosed as bipolar and severe depression. ive been on meds for 3 weeks one of which isnt even FDA approved for controlling mood swings, its for people with epleptic seizures. The medicines make it hard for me to comprehend the issues that were once easy for me in school. I know feel inferior to the kids i was smarter than. I feel like my world is crumbling faster than my first suicide attempt. I know cut and want to cut almost all the time. Please if there is anyone else out there who is like me please just let me know or respond, i know want to know that im not crazy and that im not the only one.

Melanie
Subject: No one will listen


Author:
sara
[Edit]
Date Posted: 20:08:52 10/03/03 Fri
I am so very depressed I have told my loved ones but no one belives me, they say I'll get over it. I feel helpless, full of guilt for my past actions, and sometimes i want to kill myself, the funny thing is that even my doctor doesn't believe that I'm as bad as i know that i am.
My husband just gets annoyed with my crying episodes, i know that i will eventually drive him away with this, i have no insurance to even pay for therapy, and definitly no money. Sometimes i hurt inside so very much i can't stand it-but this is a harsh world and people just say "get over it" so i guess that is what i will have to do - get it over with.
[> Subject: Re: No one will listen


Author:
Claire
[Edit]
Date Posted: 09:16:37 10/09/03 Thu
Hi Sara, I am not sure whereabouts in the world you are but it's important that you go back to your doctor and seek help. Do you have a good friend or member of the family who can come with you because they could speak for you and perhaps put it across to your doctor - I have depression and realise that when you are in that frame of mind the last thing you can do is feel strong enough to put your point accross! With regard to therapy, it sounds like you need some drug therapy first to lift your mood to such a level that would respond to any cognitive therapy.
If your doctor fails to help you, go see another one. Tell a trusted friend how you are feeling, it may be hard but sharing it will help - and by getting their support too will help you feel less isolated.
HOpe this helps.
Claire x
Subject: ? Re: Depression and Smoking Marijuanna


Author:
joe
[Edit]
Date Posted: 06:41:34 10/09/03 Thu
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Subject: Credit Problems? Refinance today. 4 out of 5 Applicants Get Approved!


Author:
Refinance
[Edit]
Date Posted: 23:21:53 10/05/03 Sun


Subject: (!) Re: Nevermind, I had to quit anyway(I think I might have liver disease).


Author:
EX- POT HEAD
[Edit]
Date Posted: 17:50:34 09/22/03 Mon
>Firs of all neither of them use up the good feeling
>chemicals (otherwise known as hormones), the active
>ingredients in them, THC and Ethyl Alcohol, bond with
>certain receptors in the immune system and trick the
>immune system into thinking you feel differently
>ussually in a good way, so you do not have to worry
>about "Using up the good chemicals in your brain".
>
>>>Does the same thing happen with alcohol? Because
>>>every so often, after not drinking for at least a
>>>couple of months, I'll start drinking again and feel
>>>great, like I'm on top of the world and I can do
>>>anything; that feeling will last maybe a couple of
>>>weeks tops, then the mood starts to slide and I start
>>>feeling tired & about that time I stop enjoying the
>>>taste of the booze as much so, for those reasons, I
>>>start drinking less and less and usually it ends with
>>>me quitting voluntarily after maybe a month because I
>>>get to the point, which I'm at right now, where I can
>>>hardly stand the taste of it any longer and then I
>>>find that it's only making me feel sluggish and sick
>>>instead of happy, which of course was the original
>>>intended purpose, so then I quit again & I go a
>couple
>>>more months without drinking then towards the end of
>>>that I get real depressed/angry all over again, to
>the
>>>point where either I feel like just beating the crap
>>>out of somebody or I'm just wishing I'd die tomorrow
>>>so I won't have to deal with this stupid world
>>>anymore, so then I decide that's nowhere & so I drink
>>>again, feel great again...and the cycle just
>continues
>>>on & on like that(I've only been on that particular
>>>cycle since about June this year; I used to go longer
>>>periods of time without the booze, but I guess life's
>>>just getting harder and harder for me as I get older
>>>and wiser, and I know the "high" from alcohol, like
>>>other drugs, doesn't last, yet I feel I've got no
>>>choice but to keep the cycle going because otherwise
>I
>>>fear I might just go insane and not care anymore and
>>>I'm afraid what might happen to me karmic-wise if I
>go
>>>down that route...the only problem is the sobriety
>>>periods seem to be getting shorter and shorter, and
>so
>>>I fear I can forsee a time when I can't go a day
>>>without it, yet I won't be getting the "high" anymore
>>>because I'll be drinking it too often, and the
>thought
>>>of that really sucks, if I do say so.
>>>
>>> >Yes, smoking marijuanna will cause depression
>>because
>>>>it uses up all the "feel good" chemicals in your
>>>>brain. HELLO!!!
>>>>It's best to stop using Marijuanna and when you go
>to
>>>>the doctor it's a good idea to tell him about your
>>>>marijuanna because this helps him help you.
>HELLO!!!!
>>>>Have a Nice Day,
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>roy
I think the world would be a better place to live if everyone would mind their own business. If you don't agree with smoking pot, then DON'T
Subject: cannabis effect


Author:
dave
[Edit]
Date Posted: 19:58:32 09/18/03 Thu
im dave 21 i smoked cannabis for about 4 years and the last two years smoked it quite heavy i started to loose the feeling of joy and dreamy feeling the only effect it had now was nothing it made me paranoid i saw my self for the first time as someone else i didnt even want to go out anymore by my self. i coulnt think clear my social skills left me so i saw the dr and at first was perscribed seoxat anti depresant which made me feel crazy. after 6 mounth i decided this was the wrong drug for me having stoped taking the drug made me feel a bit better and after seeing a pycologist he said i didnt suffer from depresion and prescribed me propranalol a anti anxiety drug which has helped me in a big way i feel so much like my old self again calm and collected so if anyone feels how i felt
it might be anxiety instead of depresion its hard to understand between the two. so my advice whould be propranolol its worked for me.
Subject: ? marajuana and depression


Author:
cathy
[Edit]
Date Posted: 16:07:30 08/27/03 Wed
I am a Mom of an 18 year old who I believe is very depressed and smokes pot to self medicate. Her behavior is very scary at times... because when she is not high, she can become very volitile. She can lose her temper and become irrationally angry over the smallest things. She is aware that she loses it and feels that she has no control over it.When she is like this, it is almost impossible to reason with her, no matter how we try to help her through it, we only make her more agitated. I have felt for along time that the pot had something to do with this behavior,because it all started when she started smoking pot on a regular basis. She does not want to stop smoking because she believes it's the only thing that makes life worth living. She loves marijuana. Does anyone have any ideas about how I can help her?
[> Subject: *!* Re: marajuana and depression


Author:
Mary in Jersey
[Edit]
Date Posted: 10:36:02 09/16/03 Tue
Hi, I came to this site to read up on what people have to say about marijuanna addiction. It is so true it is addicting! I am 39years old and have smoked marijuanna on a regular daily basis since I was 15years old. I managed to get through life thinking the effects I were feeling of being high were helping me cope with depression and I was self medicating, when infact I was smoking to deal with the withdrawl from the last joint. Now that I have been straight, for about 2 weeks, I feel more rested when I wake up in the morning. I feel more focused on what is important. I feel more energized to accomplish daily tasks rather than set it asside to smoke pot and laugh at stupid stuff. I am saving money. Have lost 10 lbs, without even trying, because I dont have the cravings for carbs and sugar as I did with pot. I even have goals to better my career when I am able to pee in a bottle!
It's so true, I was once a believer in the "wake and bake". Now I just want to enjoy thinking about reality.
this site and all your comments have convinced me, that I am doing the right thing. I hope someone else feels the same way. Thank you for reading my opinion. Mary in New Jersey.
Subject: Getting Free Articles


Author:
Denise
[Edit]
Date Posted: 07:27:37 08/26/03 Tue
I recently joined a group called inspire and reflect and you left a message to visit your site and receive free articles. I'm interested so I've given my address for your articles, look forward to reading them. Denise
Subject: waht the hell


Author:
yup
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:10:41 08/16/03 Sat
i i kindof stumbled on this website but i guess it got me thinkikng. i have been depressed alot for as far as i can remember ecpecially in the winter. the past three years ive been cutting and not really eating. this year i really crashed and now im in therepy, but its really f*cking stupid, i can see the games they play to get you to feel how they want. im not stupid. they are testing me for add and ld. f you, im about to graduate high school, why are you telling me this shit now after 11 years of hell at school? im not stupid. i started smoking pot after i was coming out of the worst part of the year, and as of right now, its just for fun. i like it, i have no problem with it and there are still alot of other thing in life that make me really happy.im a state level athlete and ive play guitar all the time but next winter i will fall apart totally and then is when pot smoking is going to be something else.and i wont care about taht stuff .where its headed for mei have no clue.then agian isnt it better than having to see scars from bad on days when i am happy? who the hell knows. i dont know what the f*ck ithink about dope. i tell myself its okay, maybe im messing with my own head. i just want to be happy. anybody know anything about seasonal affective dissorder?
Subject: 5HTP -- Does it work for you ?


Author:
beltran
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:16:42 08/15/03 Fri
After 10+ years on Prozac I recently tried 5HTP along with some other natural stuff (calcium, BComplex, OmegaFattys) and I was doing pretty good. My wife said i was doing the best she ever seen. Anyone else have experience or opinions on 5HTP ? (It's a natural Seretonin precursor amino acid)
Subject: >;-) Marijuanna Does cause Depression


Author:
Roshi
[Edit]
Date Posted: 13:02:15 05/06/03 Tue
>>Yes, smoking marijuanna will cause depression because
>>it uses up all the "feel good" chemicals in your
>>brain. HELLO!!!
>>It's best to stop using Marijuanna and when you go to
>>the doctor it's a good idea to tell him about your
>>marijuanna because this helps him help you. HELLO!!!!
>>Have a Nice Day,
>>Sincerely,
>>roy
>
>To roy
This is probably only true if you smoke more than
>occasionally. For example if you smoke 3 or 4 joints
>a day your over indulging. 1 joint a day won't hurt maAaAaAannnnnnn you no what i rekon that the other guy is right. When your done feeling stoned you feel perfectly normal. For all them minors who are just gettn into it and are kinda young it may effect there development me ima minor but im well advanced and im only started this can affekt minors hoo cant handle the shit,,, they will turned out with shit for brains or may just be in constant fatigued state but FUCK ,,,,,them hoo can handle it earn there right to smoke it!! i say to the guy who was with me for opinions go you, i hope you have every success since you know how to have a good time, as for all them other stuck up wieners you need to have a break that kit kat break should be taken over and replaced with marijuanna have a break have some marijuanna :-)

all dem ppl who agree wif me may contakt me NO H8ERS !!
[> Subject: Re: Marijuanna Does cause Depression


Author:
beltran
[Edit]
Date Posted: 15:01:26 08/15/03 Fri
>This is probably only true if you smoke more than
>>occasionally. For example if you smoke 3 or 4 joints
>>a day your over indulging. 1 joint a day won't hurt

WRONG. 1/day wont hurt YOU ! Roy and others have a greater SENSITIVITY to the chemicals. You cant assume that what works for you works for everyone.
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