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Subject: Candidates for Miss Venezuela 2009
Author: Two-peat? [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:41:26 07/18/08 Fri Miss Amazonas Romantique De la Rio Bolivar y Miss Yaracuy Kristal Conception Carnacion Cruz [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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haha.. definitely not with these chicks.. lol (NT) -- lovingthis06, 20:52:33 07/18/08 Fri Enjoy your Miss Universe while you have it, Venezuela! (NT) -- B, 20:55:19 07/18/08 Fri The first one's name is seriously Romantique de la Rio Bolivar??? Gotta be a drag name. (NT) -- NewYorker, 21:10:42 07/18/08 Fri I was quick to judge the last 2 years when I first saw the candidates. Wait until finals night and I bet these 2 will look totally hot!! (NT) -- Dane, 21:15:39 07/18/08 Fri Even if I was stunning, I wouldn't wanna compete in the next Venezuelan pageant. I think a back-to-back for any country is highly unlikely. (NT) -- MyTake, 21:50:29 07/18/08 Fri There is still miss world and miss international to win (NT) -- :), 00:17:20 07/19/08 Sat Call me crazy, but I see a lot of potential in both girls. Especially Kristal ... (NT) -- MoNkayMaN, 00:09:35 07/19/08 Sat I don't know about the first one. Is it me or does she look really manly? (NT) -- Curious, 00:22:19 07/19/08 Sat I think both manage to make Andrea Milroy look like a delicate beauty with porcelain doll features....not very many people can do that. (NT) -- B, 00:27:42 07/19/08 Sat LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder what Andrea has been up to lately. (NT) -- BamaMan, 06:34:29 07/20/08 Sun looking for me? (NT) -- , 06:55:06 07/20/08 Sun OMG! For a second I thought I was looking at a white RUTH OCUMAREZ and LARA DUTTA! (NT) -- I need my eyes checked!, 00:28:31 07/19/08 Sat In all seriousness, is the one on left transgendered? As Miss Swann would say..."She look-a-like a man" (NT) -- SparkyP, 00:59:14 07/19/08 Sat Debbie Downer says no too the first one and yes too the second one. What in the hell is up with the first girl? She looks like she is on steroids. I think it really might be a man. (NT) -- Chad_Mikel, 01:13:55 07/19/08 Sat hahahaha... funny... lol... They're not MV candidates tho! They haven't been picked yet. There are around 50 girls which will be narrowed down to 27 pretty soon. I read Osmel is even pickier and stricter after Dayana's victory, so trust me that girls like these 2 don't really stand a chance. (NT) -- He wants a back-to-back, which is his dream as a national director. That's almost impossible tho, but we'll see what happens., 01:32:20 07/19/08 Sat That one on the left looks like a midget drag queen with a good tuck job. (NT) -- :-), 04:39:26 07/19/08 Sat Rumor has it that Sandrina Bencomo and Monica Castillo will be competing this year at Miss Venezuela!! They are both stunning!! We all know it is Osmel's dream to have back to back winners for Venezuela, so I think he will ensure a stunner like one of these two will go to Miss Universe next year. These girls ROCK!! (NT) -- Bostonian, 10:57:24 07/19/08 Sat Bless your little heart Bostonian! That's so cute. "Stunners" LOL :) (NT) -- SparkyP, 13:06:27 07/20/08 Sun You want me wack upper lip for you, Only Fie dollar more. (NT) -- OK I do for you., 11:30:44 07/19/08 Sat That was funny.... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Bostonian, 12:22:02 07/19/08 Sat I still can't get over the "Romantique de la Rio Bolivar" name. That's gotta be the best name in pageant history. At this point, the name is all this "girl" has going for "her". Otherwise, she looks like a linebacker. (NT) -- NewYorker, 11:23:15 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: I just have to ask...
Author: B [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:24:37 07/16/08 Wed 1.) In YOUR opinion, do you honestly feel Ingrid's omission from Top 15 was justified? Meaning, if you didn't know a lick about the girl, her story, her past, and were to judge Ingrid Rivera based solely on her prelim performance, do you still believe she should have been left out of that Top 15 on Sunday night? 2.) Knowing what you know now as to where the judges stood in their scoring and who they gravitated toward, IF Ingrid did place amongst the Top 15, where do you all think she would have ultimately placed on finals? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1) Yes. If the judges/MUO didn't feel the need to put her through, then she was obviously lacking something to them. 2) I think she would have made the top 10 at the very least, possibly squeaked in the top 5. But I think Colombia, DR, Venezuela, and Mexico had top 5 locked up. Russia lucked out but it's possible she still would have made it as well. (NT) -- Jenn, 22:28:05 07/16/08 Wed 1) No way should she have been left out. I'm still shocked that she didnt' make T15. She earned at least that. 2) Easily T5. She looks gorgeous on finals night, and it was obvious she was there to win. (NT) -- [><], 22:29:29 07/16/08 Wed Ingrid had one of the best preliminaries. She was better than Hungary and Italy hands down. She was robbed from a top 15 placement. To leave her behind was absolutely outlandish. If she would have made the top 15 and Miss USA would not have fallen both would have made the top five. Russia and Dominican Republic would not have made it. That is just the plain truth. (NT) -- Chad_Mikel, 22:31:21 07/16/08 Wed I kind of think the answer to the first question automatically answers the second. After seeing the preliminaries, I thought, I hope she had a good interview, because based on this, I don't think she'll make it. Practically all of the latinas outdid her in both runways. The ones that did make it, and some that did not (like Panama). I just feel like her energy level was incredibly low, lower than her national pageant in fact. Add to that the fact that I've never found her to be anything less than pageant patty, and I think her interview on the MU site proved that. Every girl in the top 5 was more natural (not speaking of surgeries here), spontaneous, etc. Having said that, because I thought her energy level was lacking in preliminaries and her answers were so drawn and patty, she would have made top 10, maybe. But we'll never know, because just as Dayana "turned it down" for finals, she could have well "turned it up." (NT) -- Was Oleksandra "robbed?" Was Ana Karina of the same year robbed? I don't think so. They just didn't have it., 22:38:02 07/16/08 Wed PR definately should have been in the 15 over the likes of DR,Vietnam (NT) -- Max, 23:23:09 07/16/08 Wed Answering my own question....1.) Yes, she absolutely worked for a spot and earned it based on prelims and especially how flawless she looked on finals. We could make an argument for half those semifinalsts not deserving their semi spot. I think her not making it was more to make a point than something to directly do with her performance. 2.) Clearly Top 5..she's not the best speaker, but not the worst, and gives good cliche answers...so 2nd R.U (I don't think she would have beat Dayana.) (NT) -- B, 23:37:41 07/16/08 Wed I don't think it was justified at all. She should have been not only in the top 15, but also in the top 5, no question!! I don't know their reasoning, but she should have been up there! (NT) -- NM girl, 23:43:27 07/16/08 Wed I never got her, I thought her omission was completely justified. I didn't find her facially attractive in any regular photos. She looked horrible! Her photo shoots were flawless...but heavily photoshopped. (NT) -- Buffy, 23:56:20 07/16/08 Wed Here here Buffy! I thought she was cute at Miss World. but not stunning by any means. The bad surgeries, eye makeup and BAD red tints in her hair made me think of Lucille Ball quite often... And I wanted to love her dress, but it didn't have that great of an effect on stage... So really, I don't see why she was a shoe-in for the Top 15 (NT) -- GPP, 00:27:22 07/17/08 Thu 1) Yes. There are many beautiful women who are excluded from the Top 15 each year. Why should her exclusion be any different. I personally think that she should have at least made the first cut. Like many, I was shocked that she didn't...but I wasn't sad! 2) I think it's highly possible that she would have place in the Top 5 had she made the first cut. (NT) -- Jake, 02:44:04 07/17/08 Thu This is hard to answer, because with the pick 6, there are probably girls who deserved that spot and did not get it based on preliminary scores. Do you think Vietnam deserved her spot? I think Ingrid was certainly better in swim suit than either Vietnam or Japan. She had a great gown. I just could never figure out who she was though. She needed to be her own person and not what the directors wanted her to be, and because of that, her performance was a little flat, but she certainly could have outperformed many of the girls that made the cut. I think she would not have won. Can you imagine all the transformations her appearance and styling would be throughout the year? Had she made the cut though, she would have given them all a run for their money for a top 5 slot, and I am not sure that is based on whether she deserves it or whether or sash said Puerto Rico. I do feel badly for her. She certainly has been chastised enough. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 03:21:51 07/17/08 Thu No, the judges were obviously insane. Hacked off nose and all, Ingrid is far more beautiful than the majority of that Top 15. Of course, I think I'm just getting older and have retro taste in beauty queens. She reminds me of a Charlie's Angel or something. I would have voted her straight through to the final 3 even if she fell in both swimsuit and evening gown and belched during her interview. (NT) -- BamaMan, 07:24:12 07/19/08 Sat I agree...Ingrid got the "Olexandra" curse perhaps (NT) -- I can't believe Puerto Rico was out of the semis for 2 years in a row?, 00:04:18 07/20/08 Sun This year's Japan had NO business being in the top 15-nasty haircut and all. Ingrid deserved a top 15 spot. (NT) -- SparkyP, 01:02:14 07/20/08 Sun 1) Don't think that her omission was justified. I felt that she had a very strong prelim performance 2) I'm pretty sure she would have made Top 5, and from there, who knows. (NT) -- Duration & Convexity, 08:25:43 07/19/08 Sat Of course she should have made it, but I think what this has prooven is that Miss Universe and Donald Trump have NO loyalty to pretty much anyone. They will love you one minute and toss you out the next. AND, the MUO pick 6 just go for natural beauty with girls like Italy, girls that have a quiet confidence about them and that are natural. This is definitely the type they go for. (NT) -- Bostonian, 22:22:54 07/19/08 Sat Something about Ingrid's exclusions seems very fishy to me. before the pageant i saw appearances with her and Trump where he was gushing,"Isn't she beautiful??" I'm sure that raised Ingrid's expectations, unreasonabley, in hindsight. It looks to me like he dropkicked her out of the 15 and I think it probably had something to d with unpaid franchise fees. I think Ingrid was everyone;s puppet and didn't have the gumption to stand up for herself and just say "no" to surgeries and unreasonable idiots. Now she's left to pick up the peices alone. It's so pathetic. I feel so sorry for her.... (NT) -- Lee, 22:45:23 07/19/08 Sat I believe the reason Ingrid was excluded from the top 15 1) Miss Universe officials turned off when they heard that Ingrid herself had been a judge at the Miss Puerto Rico Pageant in 2006. 2) Miss Universe org. officials were very turned off when Ingrid appeared on the "Today" show, with Meredith Viera. to some it appeared that she made the allegations up 3) When former Miss Puerto Rico delegates appeared on the Tyra show to denounce Ingrid. The bottom line - Ingrid carried too much baggage. She was to much of a lightning rod. It had nothing to do with franchise fee's. (NT) -- William, 00:28:51 07/20/08 Sun 1) No 2) Top 5 instead of Russia, making it the first-ever all Latina T5. (NT) -- Floozie, 02:46:38 07/20/08 Sun I feel what hurt Ingrid Rivera was that she was 2nd RU at Miss World 2005. The last former Miss World contestant to win MU was Mpule Kwelagobe. (NT) -- Since Mpule's win, Katrine Sorland is the highest-ranking Miss World contestant (4th in 2002) to place @ MU (top 15 in 2004), and Lauriane Gillieron is the highest-ranked MU contestant (2nd RU in 2006) that competed @ Miss World (unplaced in 2005)., 12:57:44 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: Hi Everyone! I am looking for prople's opinions on the last two standing for MU 2001. Did Denise rightfully win, or was Evelina robbed. My family and I love to watch pageants, but we don't pick everything apart. We always want USA or Greece to well(my parents are from Greece). I liked Evelina--I liked almost everything about her---her walk, height, eyes, elegance outfits, etc. , but her mouth bothered me(something about her teeth or gums, I don't know). I thought Denise was just fine also, but I read on other sites like You tube, etc. that Greece was robbed just as much as Denise deserved to win. What do you guys think?
Author: Curious [Edit]	Date Posted: 18:18:34 07/17/08 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sorry for the spelling errors. (NT) -- Curious, 18:20:34 07/17/08 Thu In my humblest of opinions, Evelina Papantonious should have filed a police report, because she most certainly was robbed. Evelina was perfection in swimsuit and evening gown. Absolute perfection in a vein that the Miss Universe pageant has never seen before. She was a goddess, and that's the best you can describe her. While Puerto Rico was beautiful, she was very pale, wore a white gown that washed her out, and in a sea of beauties would have probably faded into the background had she not been in her home country. In terms of the q&a's, while Greece was certainly nothing special, Puerto Rico was downright awful in my opinion. She literally just stood up there spouting off the worst of cliche's and lookin fierce. There was absolutely no depth to her at all that I could tell from her 2 answers. She was pageant patty on a stick. When it came to rank the top five, I had them ranked this way: MU: Greece, 1RU: Venezuela, 2RU: USA, 3RU: India, 4RU: Puerto Rico. (NT) -- whoo, 18:25:25 07/17/08 Thu I remember this...I thought MU was fixed then, thatswhy I stopped watching it for awhile...My favorite to win that year was Venezuela and USA...Greece I couldn't remember, but she probably was in my top 5 (NT) -- Greece was perfection, but her smile wasn't great unfortunately...while this is not crucial for a fashion model, it's very important for a beauty queen of this callibre, 18:37:04 07/17/08 Thu To me it's so funny and so puzzling at the same time how people constantly brandish the "had she not been in her home country..." LAME excuse. People, NO COUNTRY EVER had win in their own turf before Denise, and no country has after her. Winning in your own country is IMPOSSIBLE. And please, do not start whining about Marc and Dayanara, because neither one of them gave Denise her highest scores. Marc Bower and Tyson Beckford did. Marc and Dayanara gave 9's to most of the top 10 girls. I WAS THERE. I SAW EVELINA. Her teeth were AWFUL. If you see her model portfolio and professional pics, you'll notice she never smiles. Photographers have asked never to do so during sessions. She is a beautiful GRAPHIC MODEL but not a beauty queen, imo. (NT) -- >^..^<, 18:54:00 07/17/08 Thu Miss USA also has won in her home country don't forget, the last one being Brooke Lee who won Miss Universe in Miami Florida USA. (NT) -- She wasn't the only one to win in her home country., 20:29:23 07/17/08 Thu LOL. Yes, you're right. But I wasn't counting USA. Of course there are many USA girls who have won on their own turf, but the contest was held exclusively in the US for many, many years. Outside of the USA, NO OTHER COUNTRY has ever had a home victory. EVER. It's almost impossible. Let's just accept our beautiful and deserving queens and MOVE ON people! Btw: JIMMY'S PAGEANT PAGE ARCHIVES ARE GOOOOONEEEEE!!!!! I'm so sad! This was a great resource for anything MU and MW related. (NT) -- >^..^<, 19:48:52 07/18/08 Fri http://www.pageant-almanac.com/miss-universe/ (NT) -- *, 14:09:37 07/19/08 Sat* I so agree with this. Denise is perfectly nice, but so incredibly typical. There was just nothing that special about her. Her body wasn't great, her dress indeed washed her out, and her answers were the worst of the final five. No one will ever convince me that Puerto Rico didn't buy that crown, or that Denise would have won no matter the location. Everybody focuses on how nice the audience was the following year when Isis missed the cut, but they could afford to be nice when the outgoing queen was their own; they were vicious in 2001 to Eva Ekvall. Evelina was a goddess, no matter how gummy her smile. I think her swimsuit presentation is the best in the pageant's history. (NT) -- CAguy, 03:23:23 07/18/08 Fri I thought Denise was sincere and charming in her answers. The WORST to me, was the horse that had NO business in the top 5, sorry to say it here, Kandy "Freddy" Kruger. She had a body like a man, walked like a duck and her answers left her lips before the questions had been asked and they were STUPID . "Photos on a desert island?" What about "Water" as Annete Haukas simply replied when asked the same question at MW 1999. Kruger was a patty and a horror at that too. (NT) -- Denise was great. IMO, she deserved the crown., 10:22:34 07/18/08 Fri I didn't see the pageant but have looked at YouTube clips and have never understood the hullaballoo over Greece. I don't care how great she was on stage, that gummy smile should have kept her out of the Miss Universe pageant in the first place. (NT) -- BamaMan, 18:38:03 07/17/08 Thu Evelina Papantoniou wasunique and different. She would have made a stunning miss universe. Denise was just another latina, beautiful though. Bad year for your country. She should have competed in 2000. (NT) -- Hector, 18:47:00 07/17/08 Thu I agree, Hector! Evelina would have been a hit in Cyrpus!! But then again, she would have to compete against Lara, and that one would be really tough! (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 01:31:38 07/18/08 Fri God Bama. Thank you Bama. I have been talking about Evelina's gummy smile forever. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:52:46 07/17/08 Thu I don't know this for sure, but I will always believe that PR won because it was in PR. But the other part of me thinks that that is the way most people would think, so would they make it that obvious for Denise to get the win. I look at snip-its from that pageant, and I do believe Evelina should have one, not b/c of my heritage, but because of the way that she brought something different. I can't explain it; it just comes through in the way that she presents herself. Anyway, thank you for all of your opinions. I respect them all! (NT) -- Curious, 18:55:58 07/17/08 Thu Greece was fabulous...absolutely wonderful with a captivating face and supermodel walk. I PERSONALLY would have chosen her, and I think she would have been a fabulous Miss Universe. HOWEVER...Puerto Rico was polished and confident. When she stomped out in her evening gown, I knew she had it won. And I can't complain. (NT) -- old school fan, 18:59:12 07/17/08 Thu Evelina all the way! Miss Universe 2001 was the first pageant that I watched and was taken in immediately by Greece! I've never seen anyone work the stage like her and probably never will. It was a close result in the end with half of the panel voting for Evelina and the others voting for Denise. Denise won because of her semi-final lead. (NT) -- MUfan, 20:00:21 07/17/08 Thu How could you know that? (NT) -- tell me please! any other cool results you got up your sleeve?, 23:16:39 07/17/08 Thu I though Denise was clearly the winner. She looked stunning on the night and she presented herself very well. Although Evelina had a fantastic body, she wasn't as facially appealing as Denise was. Especially when they were both smiling. (NT) -- Mezzaraye, 21:11:41 07/17/08 Thu I liked Greece and preferred her over PR. Although Evelina's teeth may not have been perfect, that made her real and accessable. Overall, she was terrific the entire night. (NT) -- Ms. Behavin, 21:23:25 07/17/08 Thu greece's presentation skills were text book perfect, but I really didnt find her that beautiful. She should have won SS over PR for sure, but on face alone, I would still give it to PR (NT) -- Max, 22:54:35 07/17/08 Thu Greece was not beautiful. (NT) -- But not as overrated as Kandace K., 00:29:49 07/18/08 Fri Well the whole 2001 pageant just reeked of Puerto Rico this, Puerto Rico that. So the cards were incredibly stacked against a Greek win that year. I remember that very night, I was disappointed with Denise's win and thought Greece was robbed of the crown. Had the pageant been held elsewhere (perhaps outside Latin America), Greece would have gotten the nod. But now I had some time to think about it, Denise and Evelina would have been worthy titleholders...and I grew to love Denise near the end of her reign and post-reign when she started to pursue a serious acting career. (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 01:30:04 07/18/08 Fri i will forever MU2001 as the first pageant where I and some friends literally jumped over our boarding school fence at late midnight to watch the pageant live. i was not an avid fan there but imho Denise was really sweet and deserved her win irregardless where the pageant was held. she was poised and composed through out the evening. though her delivery for the final answer was not as fluid as it could be its without doubt that the crown was hers. gravity defying Celina Jaitley- now that's one robbed contestant. if the final placement was based solely on the final answer i'd have India as high as 1st runner up. a breath of fresh air out of the patties answer (NT) -- honestly, 01:51:25 07/18/08 Fri India always sends prepared women, especially in interview. I love their delegates. Tanushree Dutta is my favorite though! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 03:48:09 07/18/08 Fri LOL! Talking about Tanushree Dutta her intro during MU2004 remains one of my favourite if not the best- the way she flirts with her eyes and that seductive voice Tanushree Dutta, 20, Miss India - WOW! i wanted her in the final 5 instead of dat broken neck patty to the max-Danielle Jones! (NT) -- honestly, 05:26:53 07/18/08 Fri Ooh yes. Pure seduction. She had me waiting for more with that purr in her intro instead of the usual screaming banana girls. Plus I thought she was JUST FABULOUS in her SS and EG, what spunk!!! Get em girl! She deserved top 5 at least, definitely over that dreadful looking pattyish Danielle Jones. (NT) -- Shandi-Jen-Tanushree-Yanina-Bianca is how I'd have had it..., 10:27:01 07/18/08 Fri That is why I loved her. She was petite (5' 7" is petite?), but her eyes SPARKLED and she really flirted with the camera. However, I knew when she came out in swim suit it was all over for her. At least she is one lady who never got a boob job. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 11:57:26 07/18/08 Fri It is over. Who cares. That was what? Seven years ago. Miss Greece desereved her place. She kind of had a bony witchy face. (NT) -- Chad_Mikel, 04:04:32 07/18/08 Fri The right girl won (and I don't live in PR). Greece was certainly stylish and classy, but I too was unimpressed with her facial beauty, especially the nose and mouth. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 09:22:06 07/18/08 Fri I thought that Denise was a goddess! In my view, the best contestant that night. I really liked Evelina though, and was very happy with the Final 2. (NT) -- Duration & Convexity, 11:57:25 07/18/08 Fri yes, denise deserved to win. greece had everything going but wasn't the most stunning in the group. she deserved top 5 but denise desered the win. (NT) -- ., 13:58:32 07/18/08 Fri Miss PR was the best, I agree with ChadMike, she did have a Mortisha look to her, but very attractive. (NT) -- chexmex, 14:00:32 07/18/08 Fri agreed. (NT) -- ., 18:47:27 07/18/08 Fri PR won because it was in her home country she was overscored all night Greece was robbed (NT) -- catalina, 19:24:46 07/18/08 Fri Here we go again.... YES! YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!!! That's probably why Miss Vietnam won this year's MU crown, Miss M�xico won last year in Mexico, Miss USA won in 2006 in LA and Miss Thailand won in 2005: because all the girls win in their home turfs! [sarcastic mode: off]. Catalina, winning in your own country is almost IMPOSSIBLE. Everything is going AGAINST YOU, not in your favor. You don't like Denise: ITS OK. But she won FAIR AND SQUARE, as have all our MUs. Besides, this was EIGHT YEARS AGO! fer goshes sake! Let it go already! (NT) -- >^..^<, 19:54:28 07/18/08 Fri Wow, I didn't realize my question would cause such a stir. I have never been on a pageant board this much. I have only been on since MU 2008 started--just found you guys by surfing. I do enjoy all of you, though. Some people said"Just let it go already". I just simply wanted to know people's opinions on this b/c everyone here pretty much picks contestants apart. You guys know what you are talking about,and I just wanted valid opinions. I don't have a gripe about it, but I am so glad that so many people have responded with many different views! (NT) -- Curious, 00:00:19 07/19/08 Sat I just watched the swimsuit and evening gown competitions. First off - I think it's terrible how the standard of beauty (at least from the BamaMan Standard of Beauty perspective) has fallen over the past several years at Miss Universe. I didn't find any of the T10 to be WTF delegates that year, except maybe France. And I didn't like India as much as the judges, although she was facially attractive. I do see why Greece did so well. She was great on stage. But due to lack of facial beauty, I couldn't have selected her as the winner. Denise was overscored, but she deserved her win. Kandace Krueger reminds me of Crystle by having brought her best game to Miss Universe. She did a great job but was not as facially attractive as Denise. I really liked Nigeria and would have put her in the Top 5. It was also nice to see that the judges used more appropriate scoring with rare scores below 9.0. (NT) -- BamaMan, 07:16:44 07/19/08 Sat talking about judges scores, the 7.0 something they gave to Vietnam got me rofl-ed for few minutes that by the end of it i was gasping for air! (NT) -- honestly, 13:29:16 07/19/08 Sat The judges had high standards..I consider that a good thing (NT) -- Otherwise who is going to watch Miss Universe if the best they could show is someone like Vietnam, 13:50:40 07/19/08 Sat NO. imo if i was judging Vietnam didnt even deserved the 7.050 something that she got- i'd give her -8 for being a total WTF. come on-Thailand 05 should've made it based on the host country token. now that's one who imo justify the token placement (NT) -- honestly, 12:47:31 07/20/08 Sun Who is THE MAN on the left that was a runner-up in MU 1995?? I always wondered who that man was. Love ...Chelsi Smith - one of the most beautiful MUs ever! (NT) -- , 14:02:17 07/19/08 Sat the indivividual on the left is the over-rated,over-scored Miss India Universe 1995 (NT) -- Max, 14:59:41 07/19/08 Sat Thanks..Can't believe he got such high placement...top 3? complete WTF... (NT) -- No wonder BamaMan was worried about this year Brazil and some others, 17:02:01 07/19/08 Sat TOP 3 SHOULD HAVE BEEN - USA, PUERTO RICO, COLOMBIA (NT) -- JOHN JAMES, 00:54:00 07/20/08 Sun Right on about Kandace! I put her 2nd in SS(behind Greece and over PR) and her gown from Miss Texas was hot. Kandace is the one Miss USA that totally turned me around about her. I wasnt of fan of her at USA but I loved her at Universe (NT) -- Max, 14:28:34 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: MISS UNIVERSE 2001
Author: EMILIO [Edit]	Date Posted: 05:48:45 07/19/08 Sat DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO WON THE PRELIMINARYS IN 2001?....INFACT DOES ANYBODY THE THE ORDER OF THE WHOLE TOP 10?....PLEASE IM JUST CURIOUS? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I've heard (don't know if its true) that Kandace BARELY made the top ten, probably due to how she kept tripping in Evening Gown. (NT) -- Anyone else know anything?, 15:44:07 07/19/08 Sat We have the video of the presentation show of 2001. Kandace tripped 4 times in evening gown and you could tell it bothered her greatly. Her facial expression after her fourt trip was like Crystle's. She didn't trip on final night as she wore a different gown. (NT) -- TX Pageant Fans, 09:26:53 07/20/08 Sun MISS UNIVERSE 2001 -- CHUBBY, 17:10:02 07/19/08 Sat yeah i think kandace was 9th or 10th in prelims (NT) -- weak gown score brought her down, 20:10:04 07/19/08 Sat does anyone know who won the prelim and what order were evelina,eva,celina,agbani and llanit alond with france russia & eva siso of spain not to mention denise....what order where they at the prelims? (NT) -- Emilio, 23:55:21 07/19/08 Sat does anyone know who won the prelim? and what order were evelina,eva,celina,agbani and llanit alond with france russia & eva siso of spain not to mention denise....what order where they at the prelims? (NT) -- Emilio, 23:56:27 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: Does anyone know who designed Australia's gown?
Author: thanks for any info [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:41:20 07/19/08 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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bumping because I would really like to know... (NT) -- thanks, 15:36:07 07/19/08 Sat Connie Simonetti. She's an Australian designer who designs wedding gowns. (NT) -- Mezzaraye, 09:15:56 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: What ever happened to Rachel Smith? Doesn't it kind of seem like she fell off the face of the planet? I would think she'd be in limelight still...
Author: TT [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:03:03 07/17/08 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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after a year in the limelight and PP she might want some time out of it. Plus she never wanted to be in entertainmant (NT) -- catalina, 15:27:19 07/17/08 Thu Really? I thought she was moving to LA with hopes of pursuing a career in entertainment. I think she should use her journalism degree perhaps as an entertainment journalist. (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 16:11:51 07/17/08 Thu yeah. she hyped "rachelsmith.com" on her blog and at the pageant, but everytime I go to it, there is nothing but "coming soon!" I wonder if she just changed her mind and decided to enjoy not being in the spotlight? (NT) -- A Former Teen, 00:31:40 07/18/08 Fri Pageant Place did Rachel in.... (NT) -- Mike S., 01:03:03 07/18/08 Fri Rachel has been back home in Tennessee, mourning the passing of her grandmother, with whom she was very close. Between her grandmother's illness and the wrenching adjustment that every title holder experiences when she relinquishes her crown, you can imagine how secondary career is to family right now. (NT) -- Robert Trebes, 05:19:12 07/18/08 Fri that is good she has her family. Rach has her priorties right (NT) -- catalina, 12:26:33 07/18/08 Fri Ok Robert. I think I 've got you figured out. You ARE Rachael Smith. You come on here just to mess with us. I caught you, you silly girl!! Muah! Luv ya, honey! (NT) -- SC Bandit, 14:12:26 07/18/08 Fri Seriously, I thoght that too...ever since Rachel won last year, Robert seems to always come out of the woodwork everytime her name or what happened in Mexico is brought up. If not, than perhaps he's her publicist? LOL (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 14:50:12 07/18/08 Fri I rather like that Robert supports our former Miss USA. God forbid we actually show some support for our formers, it must mean it's them! (NT) -- good for you robert- keep the support up! wish we had more Miss USA supporters like you, 15:33:17 07/18/08 Fri I don't know if you meant this for me, but my comment was actually a joke. I know he is a pageant fan, just like the rest of us and his dedication for Rachel is admirable, just saying he rarely jumps in to discuss others, not that he has to, but it's interesting. (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 18:43:45 07/18/08 Fri As I've stated elsewhere, I only found this board sometime after last year's MU pageant. It was the uproar in Mexico City that reawakened my interest in pageantry that had been dormant for many years. So I don't feel that I have either the expertise or background in pageant history to be expressing definitive judgments on most subjects. Further, having been appalled by what I considered the many rude and bashing remarks directed at Rachel, I feel it would be hypocritical of me now to turn around and do what I formerly ctiticized. So if I have nothing good to say, I prefer to say nothing. (NT) -- Robert Trebes, 16:06:55 07/19/08 Sat Fair enough, Robert! You certainly set a positive example on the board. (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 23:10:26 07/19/08 Sat oh Poor Rachel! is that the same grandmother that was interviewed after Rachel won Miss USA? even if it isn't and it was the other one, what a sad time for her! i hope she is adjusting well. (NT) -- Pageant Mistress, 14:22:03 07/18/08 Fri i just saw rachel in a rocawear ad. anyway, isn't it weird how both the 2007's queens grandma's died? Riyo's grandma, who encouraged her to join Miss Japan also died, well Riyo talked about it in her final walk but yeah, her grandma was there in Mexico last year to watch her win. May their grandma's souls rest in peace. (NT) -- la femme rouge, 15:43:27 07/18/08 Fri Is she suppose to be an Academy Award winner by now...? She gave up her title...what...2 and a half months ago? (NT) -- B, 15:57:55 07/18/08 Fri Rachel and Debbie have been taking the country by storm. They have been on a roadtrip from Montana to the Pacific. They are getting in touch with life and rediscovering the meaning of what life is all about all over again. <Wind Beneath My Wings> (NT) -- Chad_Mikel, 20:34:08 07/19/08 Sat Who is Debbie????? (NT) -- fan, 06:54:19 07/20/08 Sun I'm afraid to say that, in fact, Rachel Smith HAS fallen off the planet. She was walking down a street in Nashville near the top of a steep hill, when she suddenly slipped and fell on her ass. In a bizarre congruence of the steep angle of the hill, the rotation of the Earth, and a bizarre dead zone in the Earth's gravitation field, the Earth simply passed her by. She was jettisoned into outer space. A really freak set of circumstances! I feel very sorry for Rachel, especially after the recent unpleasantness in Mexico. (NT) -- BamaMan, 06:32:17 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: Close-Up
Author: norma jean [Edit]	Date Posted: 04:24:28 07/16/08 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Awwwww.... What a stunningly beautiful face. Love her with less make-up... She's a goddess... (NT) -- Tanja, 05:02:27 07/16/08 Wed Agreed, Dayana looks so much better with less eye makeup. I really hated the way her eye makeup looked the night of Miss U. I understand that people on stage need a lot of makeup, but she was not in a Broadway play! Less is best! (NT) -- Lisa Marie, 00:07:18 07/17/08 Thu A tacky looking tiara with a side of grapes. How very Carmen Miranda! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 05:04:58 07/16/08 Wed But she earned that title outright. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 05:19:05 07/16/08 Wed Are they going back to the original crown next year? (NT) -- Alison, 08:17:00 07/16/08 Wed Just stunning....especially without all the makeup! (NT) -- Mr. AL USA, 09:01:23 07/16/08 Wed She's BEAUTIFULLLL and oh soooo DESERRRVING! The crown looks good, too. It's not the same as the Mikimoto crown but it IS the MU2008's crown. I think it's funny that everyone seems to hate this tiara but you should remember what it stands for and who gets to wear it: only and only Miss Universe 2008. None of the 80 contestants would deny it if given a chance and I doubt any of you (girls) would, either! -- famster, 09:11:37 07/16/08 Wed Dayana is lovely, but that crown is horrid. MUO should hold a contest to design the new crown, preferably larger, in rhinestones. (NT) -- Twinx, 09:34:18 07/16/08 Wed It just LOOKS so cheap! (NT) -- .., 10:11:45 07/16/08 Wed Absolutely gorgeous picture!! (NT) -- thank you, 10:13:43 07/16/08 Wed She is absolutely gorgeous, but the crown looks like it came from Party City! (NT) -- Pageant Gal, 10:31:54 07/16/08 Wed Stunning! WOW! (NT) -- What Fadil would say, 00:00:48 07/17/08 Thu Absolutely beautiful. I can't wait 'till Fadil gets a hold of her later this month. (NT) -- Oooooh pleeeease Dayanaaaaa, 10:42:09 07/16/08 Wed The absolute right choice was made. We should be proud to have a beauty like Venezuela as Miss Universe. (NT) -- Simon, 14:33:13 07/16/08 Wed Stunning. How these girls keep their skin looking so fresh and beautiful after 4 weeks of stress, little sleep, differant food and tons of makeup is beyond me. I woud sure love to know though! (NT) -- Buffy, 14:37:59 07/16/08 Wed PFan and Global Guy ... crucify me for posting this, I intended for people to bash her, but look what she's getting. DARN! (NT) -- norma jean, 17:50:17 07/16/08 Wed Lol, bash what? The gorgeous eyes? The perfect skin? The angelic smile? The casca-da-dading beautiful hair? Norma, what are we missing? (NT) -- MyTake, 20:16:04 07/16/08 Wed you people can't take sarcasm or anything other than literal meaning even if it bitch-slaps you in the face. (NT) -- norma jean, 20:26:52 07/16/08 Wed Sorry Norma Jean, I promise I'm the most sarcastic person in the world, but maybe I'm just not familiar with your posts yet. Kinda new here. Bitch-slap me, I'm just glad you're being sarcastic, cuz I loooves her. (NT) -- MyTake, 01:05:46 07/17/08 Thu Did anyone but me notice that right before this beautiful young woman was called while holding hands with the 1st runner up that she made the 'sign of the cross'? It is a Catholic tradition. The moment she did I said to myself, 'she's the winner'. She gave honor to God in front of the whole world. You don't see that very often, and He blessed her. I am so happy for her. I love her! (NT) -- :), 18:25:01 07/16/08 Wed I noticed. That's not unusual coming from a latina since 90% of hispanics are Catholics. Dayana and Taliana said that both thanked God second before of the announcements of the 1st RU and Miss Universe (NT) -- JBrown.-, 20:50:36 07/16/08 Wed Thats awesome and it gives me a good feeling! (NT) -- Lisa Marie, 00:04:51 07/17/08 Thu I've seen crowns for Miss Turnip Queen prettier than that one (NT) -- Max, 00:20:55 07/17/08 Thu I love the idea of MUO having a contest to design the crown. I know we people here at USB could come up with a gorgeous one! Awww how I wish! I say, a full round crown like the Miss Venezuela with a combination of rhinestones and real gem stones. Oh! and Dayana looks gorgeous here. (NT) -- Lacey, 01:00:03 07/17/08 Thu OMG, now i know what that tiara pic looks like. Anyone here wtahces British comedies? I'm thinking of Keeping Up Appearances. If you watch that, remember the episode when Hyacinth wore a blue hat with either grapes or plums on the side and a dog started eating them off her hat? That's what this pic with the fruit reminds me of.......LOL (NT) -- TX Pageant Fans, 09:37:31 07/17/08 Thu She honestly is the most beautiful person I have seen in my whole life. And she seems to have a personalty that doesn't take one bit from her beauty. I had no idea girls like this really exist out there. (NT) -- AnnaS, 14:16:44 07/17/08 Thu bump (NT) -- --, 16:50:53 07/19/08 Sat I wouldn't be surprised if those grapes were attached to the crown because the Grape Growers Association offered The Donald some money for sponsorship. (NT) -- Change the Crown!!, 03:00:58 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: when will the teen site be updated
Author: catalina [Edit]	Date Posted: 23:45:52 07/19/08 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If you're talking about the official one... last year it was barely a week before the pageant. This year? Who knows. We'd be lucky if they decide to do it at all :( (NT) -- x, 00:22:05 07/20/08 Sun

Subject: Miss USA and U.S. President
Author: a pageant fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:17:37 07/19/08 Sat The only time USA win Miss Universe is when the President of the United States is a Democratic. President Lyndon B. Johnson, (Democratic, 1963-1969) Miss Universe 1967, Sylvia Hitchcock President Jimmy Carter (Democratic, 1977-1981) Miss Universe 1980, Shawn Weatherly President Bill Clinton (Democratic, 1993-2001) Miss Universe 1995, Chelsi Smith Miss Universe 1997, Brook Lee If Barack Obama becames the President of the United States of America, Miss Universe 2009 will be USA. Miss Universe 2008 is from Venezuela [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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USA also won MU in 1954, 1956, 1960 during a Republican presidency (Eisenhower), but the last 4 wins have all come when a Democrat was president. (NT) -- I also think USA won't win MU until the next Democrat presidency., 14:48:37 07/19/08 Sat Hopefully that will be a long time. (NT) -- :-), 19:01:38 07/19/08 Sat Ahh you're one of those! (NT) -- Snicker, 00:14:46 07/20/08 Sun You're so pretty........................ (NT) -- really..... just stand there and smile, 19:21:52 07/19/08 Sat I love this posting , I agree that you should smile big, but I really mean it rather than to be crude (NT) -- Bad Finger, 19:47:46 07/19/08 Sat LOL! (NT) -- Pageant Mistress, 19:59:27 07/19/08 Sat If thats the case I hope Miss USA does NOT become Miss Universe forever (NT) -- SparkyP, 21:59:04 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: Press Conference
Author: Jake [Edit]	Date Posted: 06:27:20 07/14/08 Mon Our new Miss Universe: Dayana Mendoza Interesting question: Who do you think did not deserve to be in the Top 15? Our outgoing queen: Riyo Mori They ask her about her Tuxedo! It's a pretty simple answer! I love her! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I loved the fact that Riyo didn't wear her crown. I don't think she was trying to make a bold statement or anything. I think it was just her way of saying that there is only one queen right now and the night belongs to her. I also loved how congratulatory Riyo was towards Dayana...I just wish she had recieved the same type of treatment when she was crowned the year before! (NT) -- Jake, 06:42:27 07/14/08 Mon Crap! This is supposed to be in the Why didn't Riyo wear the crown thread! (NT) -- Jake, 06:45:16 07/14/08 Mon The new Miss Universe is wonderful! Thank goodness we did get a beautiful and deserving winner out of last night's horror show. (NT) -- BamaMan, 06:54:14 07/14/08 Mon LOL! While I'm not 100% sold on Dayana yet, I do agree that the result could have been A LOT worse. It kinda reminds me of Miss USA 2005, in that I thought the Top 15, Top 10, and Top 5 were all total disasters, but the winner ended up being a good choice (Chelsea) considering what could have been. (NT) -- NewYorker, 09:43:19 07/14/08 Mon I disagree! I think Kristen would have rocked Miss Universe! (NT) -- SparkyP, 12:01:07 07/14/08 Mon Did you get a look at Chelsea at Miss Universe? Miss USA could have been alot better (NT) -- Just my opinion, 23:27:03 07/19/08 Sat At the beginning of the interview with Dayana though, she looks like a crazed woman and scared to death. Look at her eyes. (NT) -- fan, 08:26:52 07/14/08 Mon luv riyo (NT) -- catalina, 11:58:24 07/14/08 Mon She's just exhausted. Riyo, by contrast, had no pressure yesterday and the relaxed attitude shines through. (NT) -- New York Guy, 13:02:21 07/14/08 Mon I noticed on stage last night that her eyes looked a little crazy at times--like she was scared to death, or maybe just really, REALLY excited. (NT) -- SC Bandit, 13:40:02 07/14/08 Mon I wonder why she didn't use a translator to translate the questions ... just like all the English-speaking Latinas did in the Top 5 (NT) -- ???, 13:30:15 07/14/08 Mon My three favorite moments of the pageant: Riyo walking out looking SMOKING and impossibly stylish in PANTS to give up her crown; Riyo sincerely congratulating Dayana during the crowning and wiping away her tears/mascara so she could look good; and Dayana's little dance move during her first walk. Those were some great, very genuine/authentic moments which showed real/sincere personality. Loved them! (NT) -- TraLaLa, 13:46:32 07/14/08 Mon I will tell you the PRICELESS moment of this pageant, when judge Roberto Cavalli asked Mexico, When is a woman truly....." (long pause, leans way into the microphone and speaks in the sexiest voice he can muster) "Satisfied?" It looked like he was going to have an orgasm right there at the judging table. We laughed and laughed! By the way, Mexico gave the best answer of the night! (NT) -- kyboi, 13:57:00 07/14/08 Mon Someone at our party wondered if one of Mr. Cavali's hands might be under the table.............. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 15:59:15 07/14/08 Mon You are so right ...I thought exactly the same thing. The ways he said it, it sounded like:"When is a woman truly sexually satisfied?" (NT) -- Cavalli seemed to really like Miss Mexico a lot, I mean I lot..., 17:22:28 07/19/08 Sat i'm in love Dayana is quickly becoming my fav most MU of all time =) Well maybe not my most but she should be in the top5. i could watch and listen to her for days. shes interesting and the way she speaks just draws u closer. /thunderous amount of claps! (NT) -- honestly, 13:51:23 07/14/08 Mon Most of you guys on this thread SUCK! Dayana's English is fine. Try speaking in a second language for five minutes and see what happens. She now is proving that she is a woman of substance as well as beauty. Her answers were great. She seems compassionate and caring and when next year rolls around everyone will be singing her praises. Riyo was spectacular. What a class act. One of the best outgoing speeches ever and she was as gracious as she possibly could be in her sincere well-wishing toward Dayana. I think Riyo exhibited true Japanese humility by NOT wearing her crown so that she would not outshine the eventual winner. Wasn't crazy about much in the pageant but the result was outstanding. P.S. Try rehearsing in heals for 4 weeks with little to no sleep and see how crazed YOU look. (NT) -- Devin, 14:32:44 07/14/08 Mon I'm with you about Dayana, I love to hear her speak, she seems incredibly down to earth. And I loved Riyo as well, but as far as her crown goes, I'm not sure that would have been her choice. If the MUO is no longer in partnership with Mikimoto, they would obviously opt to have Riyo wear nothing on her head. I think a crown would've been out of place with that outfit anyways. And she was perfect with Dayana, passing the baton in such a sweet and caring way, a treatment she did not receive herself from Zuleyka Rivera. (NT) -- MyTake, 14:52:27 07/14/08 Mon LOVED Riyo's interview, especially her pointing out the difference between Asian standards of beauty and Western standards. I know a few pageant fans who would NEVER give Riyo a break because they simply do not find Asian women attractive- which is their loss, because she was a great Miss Universe! (NT) -- GPP, 15:00:07 07/14/08 Mon Well, I find a lot of Asian women attractive but have never thought Riyo was even above average. Also, there have been several posters from Asia or with Asian friends who have said that Riyo is not widely considered to be attractive in Japan. I guess beauty is just very subjective no matter what set of standards we are conditioned toward. (NT) -- BamaMan, 17:24:15 07/14/08 Mon Glad to see most of you have come around to Dayana. I told ya, she's that type of girl that you'd just have to like. She won you over!! VIVA VENEZUELA, Miss Universe 2008!!! (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 15:29:07 07/14/08 Mon Thank you! We went from everyone wanting to crown her immediately after the "panties" interview to many people thinking she was over the top to many now seeing what's really there. I loved her the second I saw her onstage at Miss Venezuela, loved all through and especially because of the "panties" interview, and through last night. I was so worried about those impossibly high scores for Colombia all night, but once Dayana got to speak it was all over. She is fantastic! (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 16:01:25 07/14/08 Mon loved riyo (NT) -- catalina, 19:52:36 07/18/08 Fri I'm happy that Riyo's gone. (NT) -- totally, 13:00:20 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: Hmmm
Author: x [Edit]	Date Posted: 21:20:47 07/19/08 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: "Here are the 15 semifinalists, in random order." Yeah, right.
Author: Alex Sarmiento [Edit]	Date Posted: 19:10:18 07/18/08 Fri I do not believe for one second that the way the semifinalists are announced in any of the Miss Universe pageants is truly random. Is it any coincidence that, at the past six Miss Universe pageants, including this year's, the first person named into the elite round ends up at worst in the final five, if not the winner? In studying the order from the past six Miss Universe pageants, a contestant has a greater chance of making the final round if she was to be announced in the first third or the last third. Only Jennifer Hawkins in 2004 was ever able to win the pageant coming from the 2nd third of the elite competition. I seriously believe that the order is not determined at random, but is instead carefully plotted out by the MUO. So, to say that it's in random order would be a bald-faced lie. And it's not just in the past six years. In 1999, 2000, and 2001, the delegate from Spain was the first person to be named. On several occasions, Venezuela was the last person to be named. In my experience, I've never seen a Miss Universe pageant where, if Miss USA is named to the semifinals, she is among the first to be called. More often than not, she's among the last to be called. I would like to see the following happen: for each successive round of cuts, a bowl with the names of the surviving contestants is produced. The presenters then draw the names out at random ON STAGE, and have to pull out the very first name card that they touch. The names should also be verified and presented in a way that ensures not only complete randomness, but that ALL surviving contestants get a fair chance in the upcoming round. No saving the big scores for the last contestants. It shouldn't matter if someone is called first or last. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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great idea Alex and i do think you are right. What are your thoughts re Miss usa and teen regarding this? what about the fact that NOB was called last at both? (NT) -- catalina, 19:30:32 07/18/08 Fri The easiest way to "fix" a pageant is by giving clear instructions to the judges. The second is determining who presents in which order. The third is for the emcee to kill the competition in interview. I believe all are done at most state pageants, and the first two are intentional at national pageants. (NT) -- Hooked, 22:05:09 07/18/08 Fri I've always felt the calling of semifinalits and finalists is not random. As you mentioned, Venezuela has frequently been called last. PR has frequently been called first or last. Texas has been called at exactly the halfway point (when there are an even number of semifinalists). The home state or country is frequently called last (IN in 2002 and TX in 2003). I do remember that string of Misses Spain being called first. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 22:48:06 07/18/08 Fri Interesting post. Don't laugh, but there is a drag pageant that calls out a top 12. As each con testant is called into the top 12, they pull a number from a bowl and THAT becomes their new top 12 contestant number. Clever way to get around the problem the OP posted. (NT) -- Max, 23:48:07 07/18/08 Fri Max, have you been to Entertainer of the Year (EOY) or Continental? I live in Louisville where EOY is hosted each year. (NT) -- kyboi, 17:09:18 07/19/08 Sat Oh yeah, random is BS. Judges remember who they saw last, so you can count on MUO's favorites to win always being in the last group of the top 10. Dead last is most powerful (i.e., Dayana). What they do with that poweris up to them. Nothing's random. Love the fishbowl idea. (NT) -- :-), 04:44:40 07/19/08 Sat Interestingly, some posters proclaim it's a jinx to be called first and that is a fairly common idea. Yet, we have seen several Miss Universe winners called first in the semis. I think Miss U.S.A. in 84 was called second, Kim Tomes also or maybe 3rd. (NT) -- Tiki Java, 16:06:27 07/19/08 Sat Well.. If you didnt notice... This YEARS Miss Universe... the top 5 was DEFINITELY not called in Random order... They called them according to how they scored in Evening gown... Colombia, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Mexico and Russia... :) (NT) -- lovingthis06, 16:12:51 07/19/08 Sat Didn't Mexico score 3rd in EG? (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 16:37:16 07/19/08 Sat I remember at the Miss America pageant in the early 1990's just after they started announcing a Top 5. They always called them down the row in order. (eg- The top 5 might be #3,4,6,8,9 from the Top 10, but never #4,3,6,9,8). Once they began calling the top 5, you knew who was out. (eg- once # 3 was called, you knew #'s 1 and 2 weren't going to make it. Once they called #5, #4 was out, etc.) They did it this way for several years in a row. Our contestant was 5th in the Top 10, but once they called #1, 4 and 6, I knew she was out.) (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 16:42:40 07/19/08 Sat I thought she got fourth after Dominican Republic.. maybe i'm tripping.. (NT) -- lovingthis06, 18:53:00 07/19/08 Sat To me this is much ado about nothing. I've never believed that the order of the semifinals was completely random, but who cares. It's not that important. (NT) -- sd, 19:03:02 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: I was bored and ran across this blog. What refreshing review of Miss Universe from someone with no real agenda. Enjoy! http://adriana117.vox.com/
Author: fan of MU [Edit]	Date Posted: 15:41:30 07/19/08 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: What do you think?
Author: fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 21:19:33 07/17/08 Thu This is Karla Carrillo. She will be representing Jalisco in the Miss Mexico beauty pageant. Do you think she is Miss Universe Material? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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From the pic, looks like another easy top 5 placement for Mexico!! (NT) -- ROSEANNE ROSEANADANA, 21:24:05 07/17/08 Thu do we have to go through this again? Seriously. I thought this was United States of beauty. Miss Universe is over and that means the hourly Mexican posts should be over too. we can't go on the Mexican forum and post constant picture of our local and state prelim winners, and this shouldn't be tolerated either. we're gearing up for miss teen USA. this is almost coming across like you are trying to rub it in our face like "haha we're going to flood the USB board with as much Mexican pageant materiel as we can". (NT) -- UNITED STATES of beauty- Now on with Miss Teen USA!, 21:59:23 07/17/08 Thu Well, I would rather see photos of gorgeous international women like this than endless photos and videos from every podunk local in Florida. (NT) -- BamaMan, 14:06:43 07/18/08 Fri LOL Again you nailed it. Florida is over the top! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 15:31:44 07/19/08 Sat Take a chill pill and a good shot of tequila and then maybe this post won't bother you so much. Don't think anyone is trying to "rub" anything into us. I find it very interesting.Now if they start posting this girls face every 5 minutes you have reason to be upset.This board is THE MOST popular board there is, that is why THE MOST people post here. Love USB!!!! (NT) -- USB is the best!!, 22:14:26 07/17/08 Thu Yes. (NT) -- sc bandit, 22:24:02 07/17/08 Thu Yes, definitely. (NT) -- Simon, 00:19:10 07/18/08 Fri About our posting policy: we may be "United States" of Beauty but when this board was designed it was meant for the three MUO pageants (and we do allow discussions of MAO and, to some extent, other pageants like Earth, International though we prefer to talk about the US reps in those cases, especially if it happens to be a former USA girl). When it comes to posting about international delegates and pageants for Miss Universe, we allow it, as long as people abide by the rules and don't go overboard. Plus, it also depends on the time of year and what's going on. This is one picture of a possible Mexico Universe rep, and we had some posts about the current Switzerland Universe group so we don't mind the discussion since it's Universe related. (NT) -- Jenn (USB Modsquad), 00:34:53 07/18/08 Fri Thank you so much Jenn(USB Modsquad). That's why I love this board so much. (NT) -- Original Poster, 01:28:49 07/18/08 Fri I really like her. Gorgeous girl. (NT) -- Duration & Convexity, 12:05:43 07/18/08 Fri Absolutely YES! She reminds me a bit of Carmen Electra. Is that cute girl with her a competitor or possibly her younger sister? She's adorable too but she looks a little young to compete on the Miss level. (NT) -- Devin, 12:35:09 07/18/08 Fri Addendum: cross Carmen Electra with Kelly Clarksen. I think this girl is very beautiful. Gotta give Lupita her props. Since she's taken over the quality of beauties has noticeably improved. (NT) -- Devin, 12:36:49 07/18/08 Fri Facially flawless, LET'S HOPE they don't put this one through the factory if she wins. (NT) -- chexmex, 12:39:25 07/18/08 Fri I don't know why, but when I saw this pic the first time a couple days ago, I thought Miss World. For some reason, I just think she would do better there than at MU. Unbelievably beautiful tho,. (NT) -- [><], 14:10:28 07/18/08 Fri The girl next to Karla is also a competitor, her name is Maribel Vivanco. She's a professional model, actually both of them are models. Maribel ended up in the Top 5 of Miss Jalisco, but I'm sure we will see her in the national pageant. Since the year 2000, Lupita changed the rules of the Miss Mexico pageant, there can be more then one girl per state, but no more then three(the winner, plus one or two girls who Lupita personally hand picks) but some states don't have a representative. This year Jalisco had some beautiful contestans, these two girls plus the 1st runner up are very beautiful, the three of them have some beautiful green eyes, plus another model who's really tall and has a great body. Hope to see them all in national pageant. (NT) -- fan, 22:07:45 07/18/08 Fri

Subject: question
Author: . [Edit]	Date Posted: 03:03:12 07/18/08 Fri If there were a girl who was stunningly beautiful, had great speaking skills, and a perfectly proportioned body, would you think she was worthy of a major title? In other words, is height necessary for beauty in your opinion? I am just wondering because all these Universe girls seem SO tall, but you don't need to be tall to be proportioned. Isn't Eva Longoria something like 5'2" or 5'3"? Does it take an extra x-factor for a shorter girl to win? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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i do not think height should be so important (NT) -- catalina, 12:22:45 07/18/08 Fri I think it DOES take some sort of harmonic convergence for a short girl to win a MAJOR pageant. The avg. woman is shorter than the glamazons that usually win. It would be helpful for kids to see something OUT of the ordinary "type" of beauty to help build self-esteem. 3 girls come to mind in thinking "out of the box" on this issue. #1 - Riyo Mori: never fit into the conventional mold of "beauty" but her unique look/quirky style catapulted her to MU. #2 - Chelsea Cooley: showed that even with hips (heaven forbid) and a wholesome (not fat) body you could also win. #3 - Janelle Commissiong: not only was she the first black Miss Universe but she was also the first modern day queen with short hair, proving if your face is striking you've got a shot no matter how stacked against you the odds may seem. Eva Longoria is stunning and is about 5'1" tall. Beauty comes in all sizes/shapes. I'm glad that there are Petite Miss pageants so those vertically challenged are represented. (NT) -- Devin, 12:28:26 07/18/08 Fri That's what the petite pageants are for-the shorter girls can compete there. (NT) -- ..., 12:57:33 07/18/08 Fri So those under 5'5" and African Americans, under your qualifications, can no longer compete in MUO because they have their own pageants? Thats pathetic (NT) -- Paris, 16:00:46 07/18/08 Fri Other than you, who said anything about African Americans? (NT) -- Hooked, 16:20:08 07/18/08 Fri I remeber watching Miss T And T win. It was my first Miss Universe, and my favorite uncle wanted Miss Israel to win. MIss T and T deserved it because of her face, obviously not her height. It is not about color it's about the GIRL wearing the color! (NT) -- chexmex, 16:36:29 07/18/08 Fri I just mentioned them, because they too have their own pageants. So why should those who are shorter have to only compete in petite pageants when it shouldn't matter at all? Just an observation. (NT) -- Paris, 16:41:08 07/18/08 Fri No one said shorter girls HAD to compete in Petite pageants, and NO ONE even mentioned African Americans, yet you said it was "pathetic". You created controversy and I just wanted to let you know that creating trouble when it doesn't exist won't fly well here. (NT) -- Hooked, 16:45:20 07/18/08 Fri OK, just to be contrary, why are there no pageants for girls that are tall? Is there is Miss Six Foot USA? My daughter is six foot tall and I am six foot one. Why are the tall girls discriminated against? Or how about a Miss Blonde USA? My point is it really shouldn't matter how tall you are or what color you hair or skin is in order to win a major pageant. That's one reason so many people here say, "different judges, different day, different winner." However, sometimes girls are penalized for how they look. For instance the blondes at USA 2007 were, IMO passed over because of the controversy created by Tara. Shouldn't have mattered, but it did. (NT) -- Husker fan, 20:07:24 07/18/08 Fri Great Statement! -- --, 08:56:26 07/19/08 Sat I think you don't see tall pageants because being tall is considered an advantage-in our country we like to provide help for the underdog or anyone we think has been discriminated against...that's why we have petitie pageants, ethnic pageants, etc. It's carried into academic scholarships etc. (NT) -- ..., 09:02:32 07/19/08 Sat Hooked, I'm sorry if I had created unneeded drama. That was not my intention. What Huskerfan said was what I was trying to say. It's pathetic that people think that height and race matter. I know, no one brought up race by myself. There is no denying though that in our country we still have some underlying race issues. So, to wrap up. I wanted to say that Huskerfan is correct in her evaluation of the OP. (NT) -- Paris, 09:35:16 07/19/08 Sat Well, I guess being tall does have it's advantages. I can reach things on the top shelf of my cabinets with out a step stool!! Though when I was young I really hated be so tall. The only guys in my school taller than me were my cousins! And in the 70's any girl over six foot was considered a freak of nature. Though it did help when playing basketball! (NT) -- Husker fan, 14:58:43 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: Following Tanja and Baba's lead!
Author: SanFranGuy [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:51:58 07/18/08 Fri Top 20: 2000 Lara Dutta�India 2001 Denise Qui�ones�Puerto Rico Kandace Krueger�USA 2002 Oxana Fedorova-Russia 2003 Cindy Nell-South Africa Miyako Miyazaki�Japan 2004 Jennifer Hawkins-Australia Shandi Finnessey-USA Yanina Gonz�lez-Paraguay Tanushree Dutta-India Bianca Sissing-Switzerland 2005 Natalie Glebova-Canada Monica Spear-Venezuela Laura Elizondo-Mexico 2006 Lauriane Gilli�ron�Switzerland Valerie Dom�nguez-Colombia Kenisha Tom-Trinidad and Tobago 2007 Honey Lee-Korea Rachel Smith-USA Micaela Reis-Angola 2008 Crystle Stewart-USA Honorable Mention Vanessa Carreira�South Africa (3002) Kurara Chibana-Japan (2006) Farung Yuthithum-Thailand (2007) Riyo Mori-Japan (2007) Elisa Najera-Mexico (2008) Nat�lia Guimar�es-Brazil (2007) Kathrine S�rland-Norway (2004) Demetra Eleftheriou-Cyprus (2002) Agbani Darego-Nigeria (2001) Justine Pasek-Panama (2002) Claudia Moreno-Venezuela (2000) Danielle Jones-Trinidad and Tobago (2004) Zana Krasniqi-Kosovo (2008) Natascha B�rger-Germany (2002) Vanessa Carreira-South Africa (2002) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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take out Kenisha put in Kurara and take out Micaela and put in Puja Gupta- voila! you'll have my list! (NT) -- honestly, 19:08:25 07/18/08 Fri I can't wait until Miss Universe 3002 to see Vanessa Carreira compete again. (NT) -- [><], 20:30:42 07/18/08 Fri LOL!!! Me, too! Can't imagine what we'll all look like! (NT) -- Hooked, 21:45:58 07/18/08 Fri Let's see, 2000: Lara Dutta; 2001: Evelina Papantoniou; 2002: Oxana Fedorova, Justine Pasek, and Demetra Eleftheriou; 2003: Miyako Miyazaki and Mariangel Ruiz; 2004: Jennifer Hawkins and Yanina Gonzalez; 2005: Natalie Glebova; 2006: Kurara Chibana, Lauriane Gillieron, and Kenisha Thom; 2007: Riyo Mori, Honey Lee, Micaela Reis, Flaviana Matata, and Rachel Smith; 2008: Dayana Mendoza and Crystle Stewart. I'd love to include Claudia Moreno, Alice Panikian, and Ly Jonaitis, but there just wasn't room. (NT) -- CAguy, 21:06:26 07/18/08 Fri 2000: INDIA, VENEZUELA. 2001: PR, SPAIN. 2002: SOUTH AFRICA, RUSSIA. 2003: BRAZIL, VENEZUELA. 2004: AUSTRALIA, USA, PARAGUAY, JAMAICA. 2005: PR 2006: PR, CANADA, SWITZERLAND. 2007: KOREA, ANGOLA, VENEZUELA, 2008: VENEZUELA. (NT) -- yay!, 21:15:30 07/18/08 Fri Top 20 (I didn't consider Oxana).2000 - Lara, 2001 - Denise, Evelina, 2002 - Justine, 2003 - Amelia, Sanya, Miyako, 2004 - Jennifer, Shandi, Yanina, 2005 - Natalie, Laura, 2006 - Lauriane, Alice, Priscilla, 2007 - Honey, Ly, 2008 - Crystle, Dayana, Elisa (NT) -- Reg, 21:23:16 07/18/08 Fri The top 10: Lara, Justine, Amelia, Jennifer, Lauriane, Honey, Ly, Crystle, Dayana, Elisa.. top 5: 4ru: Crystle 3ru: Dayana 2ru: Honey 1ru: Jennifer Winner: Lara (NT) -- Reg, 21:29:19 07/18/08 Fri Puerto Rico 2000; Puerto Rico 2001; Puerto Rico 2002; Puerto Rico 2003; Puerto Rico 2004; Puerto Rico 2005; Puerto Rico 2006; Puerto Rico 2007; Puerto Rico 2008 (NT) -- and Mexico 2007, 21:32:09 07/18/08 Fri EGADS! To forget Ly! I knew it would be someone I love! Out Kandace...in Ly! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 02:16:46 07/19/08 Sat 2000: SPAIN, ZIMBABWE. 2001: GREECE, SPAIN. 2002: RUSSIA. 2003:VENEZUELA. 2004:AUSTRALIA&USA. 2005:CANADA&P.RICO.2006:CANADA&JAPAN.2007:JAPAN,VENEZUELA,KOREA.2008:USA&KOSOVO. (NT) -- In fact, it's a top 17, 04:20:33 07/19/08 Sat Top 20 (in date order): Venezuela 2000, Colombia 2000, Greece 2001, Nigeria 2001, Russia 2002, Brazil 2003, Namibia 2003, Angola 2003, Canada 2003, Australia 2004, Jamaica 2004, Norway 2004, Latvia 2005, Norway 2005, Switzerland 2006, Trinidad/Tobago 2006, Canada 2006, Colombia 2006, Angola 2007, Tanzania 2007 (NT) -- Honorable Mention (in date order): Spain 2001, Cyprus 2002, Switzerland 2004, Mexico 2006, Ethiopia 2006, 14:36:53 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: The day after...all looking happy :)
Author: MUFan [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:07:04 07/19/08 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Dayana is beautiful even when she is not made-up! (NT) -- happy for her, 13:08:58 07/19/08 Sat Rafa you look great ! (NT) -- Bad Finger, 13:11:46 07/19/08 Sat ah! great picture! and i love her shirt.....if i were queen of the universe i'd wear a huge crown across my chest, too :) (NT) -- daffodil, 13:32:44 07/19/08 Sat my god she's so thing i can starve for 2 yrs and wont even be that thin (NT) -- lorra, 13:32:51 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: This lady should soo compete in Miss India, she is soooo incredibly stunning!! I think she is an actress or model, I am not sure, but she should definitley give Miss India a chance, woould love to see her at Miss Universe. What you all think? Click In for Video:
Author: Monica (Miss NY USA hopeful). [Edit]	Date Posted: 23:24:12 07/16/08 Wed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaI7Er5WriM [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oops, I meant would. (NT) -- Monica, 23:29:53 07/16/08 Wed bump . . (NT) -- weeeeeeeeeee, 12:43:55 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: My daughter will be entering our state teen pageant. She needs to wear a solid one piece swimsuit and we are having no luck. Most of the ones we tried look like something a 50 year old woman would wear. We need help!!!
Author: Thank you, Nicole and Lee [Edit]	Date Posted: 15:53:13 07/17/08 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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CLICK IN! -- a, 15:57:30 07/17/08 Thu Believe it or not, go to VICTORIASSECRET.COM or NEWPORT-NEWS.COM to find affordable cute bathing suits. You don't need a fancy pageant suit. (NT) -- trust me, 16:01:54 07/17/08 Thu Click in for some great options. -- NE Gal, 18:37:19 07/17/08 Thu Oh my God, that is Jackie Bruno modelling... When were these pics taken (since they show Jackie with Susie)? I liked Susie but I think her body is not the best for swimsuit modelling. From all these pics I definitely like those from Victoria's Secret best. (NT) -- Tanja, 08:32:50 07/18/08 Fri Have one made. Talk to your director, many have good seamstresses that can whip one up quickly & in my case it was cheaper than buying & fit my daughter like a glove. (NT) -- :), 15:58:05 07/17/08 Thu pageantresale.com, and then get it altered. (NT) -- PageantGrl, 16:35:29 07/17/08 Thu Do not get any of the suits they have mentioned, except for the ones on Pageant Resale. These suits they are referring to are not lined well enough for the lights at a pageant. My daughter won her Teen pageant in a great one piece suit from a pageant store.It did cost $150, but you do not want your child on stage with a see through suit or a camel toe that everyone will discuss on these boards. If you need to cut cost, please buy a less expenisve interview outfit. Spend the money on a good quality swim suit. Pageant Resale and other pageant stores,have several Jamie Shaws that can be altered to fit your daughter. They are lined and perfect for the pageant (NT) -- Teen USA pageant Mom, 23:52:06 07/17/08 Thu Thanks for all the help (NT) -- Lee, 06:39:10 07/18/08 Fri I'm not sure if this is a "pageant resale" pusher (I'm joking, of course), but the simple answer is to have an extra layer of flesh colored lining sewn in the swimsuit of your choice. You don't have to spend $150 to wear something deemed "appropriate" for a pageant . One friend of mine found her swimsuit at TJ Maxx, but was concerned with the thin lining. A trip to the dry cleaners and $30 later, and she made an ordinary clearance rack, beach bummin' swimsuit the competition swimwear of her dreams...and won the SS round at her pageant shortly thereafter. Total cost? $14.99 (clearance swimsuit) + $6.00 (lining at a fabric store) + $30.00 (lining sewn in) = $51.00 (NT) -- And she had fun making a little "project out of it" too., 08:26:25 07/18/08 Fri White lining is much better than Nude lining!! White lining keeps the color of the swimsuit true and more vibrant. The Nude will dull the color a bit. Also unless you have a tailor who is experienced in sewing with spandex let alone sewing spandex over an existing already made swimsuit - it can be very tricky. I have seen a few really bad alteration jobs by doing this, suit is ruined. My advise would be go to a pageant store near you and buy a pageant swimsuit, this way your daughter can try on a variety of colors and styles to see what is best for her. Buying off the internet w/o trying on is not a good idea!! (NT) -- goos luck to your daughter, 09:46:13 07/18/08 Fri And have the suit taken in. The number one mistake girls make is that the SS is too loose in the waist. It should be very tight around the tourso and waist so that it really sucks her in and shapes her. Like a girdle. Yes, she needs to be careful pulling it up, but it makes all the difference on stage. No bags or sags anywhere. (NT) -- God Bless, 10:11:46 07/18/08 Fri I guess my friend lucked out because she used a nude lining and it turned out great! (NT) -- TJ Maxx rules!, 19:14:11 07/18/08 Fri I have used swimsuits from victoria's secret and venus swimwear often for swimsuit competition, as have many contestants and unless your swimsuit is white the lack of an extra layer of lining has never been an issue. You can always add lining if you feel its needed, but a pageant swimsuit is not absolutely necessary, the benefit to a pageant swimsuit is that they are made for the stage so they have some sparkle and the available colors are great. Look at all your options and then decide on what works best for you. (NT) -- NE Gal, 17:08:18 07/18/08 Fri Plus MAO and MUO don't use pageant swimsuits at their national pageants, a good swimsuit is lined anyway regardless of price. Don't let someone use "they don't look good under lights" as a reason to buy a more expensive swimsuit. Plus there are just as many non-pageant swimsuits on PageantResale.com as the pageant brands. (NT) -- NE Gal, 17:11:00 07/18/08 Fri Correction regarding above post....Winnwear is the official sponsor of Miss America. Winnwears suits are very much pageant suits... (NT) -- FYI, 21:27:50 07/18/08 Fri Actually I was referring to the fact that Venus and Speedo have also sponsored MAO, Winnwear became the sponsor last year. My point, even at a national level its not necessary to have a pageant swimsuit. (NT) -- NE Gal, 01:30:29 07/19/08 Sat Whatever kind of lining a suit has, be sure that it is.....how shall I word this........snug to the suit? If the lining is ....baggy?........you run the chance of the butt glue sticking the lining of the suit to your body. Then, when you are in the midst of your presentation, the suit rides up slightly but the lining stays firmly planted on your behind, resulting in the lining showing and it looks like you left your underwear on. I hope this makes sense. (NT) -- SC Bandit, 11:14:07 07/19/08 Sat

Subject: Teen USA 08 Coverage
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