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Subject: WATCH MISS EARTH ONLINE
Author: ME FAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:14:08 11/21/09 Sat WATCH MISS EARTH ON THESE LINKS: http://supremebeauty.blogspot.com/2009/11/watch-miss-earth-2009-live-online.html http://missearth.perubeauties.org/2009_09_01_archive.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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what time would it be showing for gmt-5? nyc time? (NT) -- la femme rouge, 18:00:04 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: SC Preliminaries are on right now. SC Message board is calling Bradshaw, Witt, Smith for Teen and Stoffel for Miss.
Author: GO SC Girls!!! [Edit]	Date Posted: 21:45:02 11/20/09 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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voy number, please? (NT) -- M Back, 21:53:16 11/20/09 Fri Witt and Smith are both gorgeous and would make great winners. Bradshaw is a little too patty for me but also pretty. Stoffel is a cute girl but they'd be missing the mark if she won, since there are at least 10 girls that are hotter than she is. When you say the "SC message board" are you talking about a MAJORITY of posters or are you trying to spin it for the girls you like. (NT) -- M Back, 21:58:24 11/20/09 Fri http://www.voy.com/82385/ (NT) -- bump, 22:01:42 11/20/09 Fri I can't wait to see who the pick for SC teen. TONS of talent in SC in the teen area. (NT) -- Trying to keep a tally., 22:04:19 11/20/09 Fri I went over the entire first page with a fine toothed comb and didn't see anything on the prelims. But I DID see a whole bunch of talk about how Chelsea Cooley is chummy with the NC franchise owner and how judges were supposedly replaced at state and how if a girl does not at least have some sort of training or sit down with Chelsea Cooley that she can forget about winning either the Miss or Teen crown. Boy, I guess being USA has really gone to Cooley's head. If all this dialogue is correct then it's just plain wrong that they've rigged it. (NT) -- M Back, 22:13:34 11/20/09 Fri M Back, there was one judge that was replaced on the Miss panel due to a judges father being hospitalized Thursday night which required Paula to go with her back up judge. (NT) -- She explained this to us in the contestant orientation on Friday morning., 23:29:14 11/20/09 Fri That was just one of many poster's overall picks- (NT) -- wasn't necessarily after prelims, still awaiting word, 22:14:13 11/20/09 Fri Agree MBack I reviewed the scenario myself in SC and then popped into NC. What is going on in the Carolinas??? Something smells funny if Cooley is coaching all the girls that win in these RPM states. Lets hope SC crowns USA quality girls, not because she was coached by Cooley/Standout Productions. (NT) -- pageant follower., 22:20:19 11/20/09 Fri HOLD UP... Mback I respect your opinion and this is just wrong. (NT) -- cc, 22:24:49 11/20/09 Fri I just looked to and it is also reported that Chelsea is allowed in to rehearsals to look over the competition. On NC board reported that her mom was a chaperone at the NC pageant. RPM/Cooley go hand in hand it seems. Something very, very wrong. (NT) -- agreed, 23:07:34 11/20/09 Fri Unless I am mistaken, the first yr. Cooley judged SC she was still holding the title of Miss USA or it was within her first yr. of giving up her title. I had heard that supposedly a title holder was not to judge until after a yr had passed, it had not. Anyhow, she showed up at the SC state pageant, hung out with contestants during rehearsals and then judged that night because one of the judges flights had been delayed. I also think the judge made it but Cooley still judged. (NT) -- itk, 23:56:56 11/20/09 Fri Is Stoffell a newbie? She caught my attention as I was looking through the delegate page, but since I have never heard of her before, I did not pick her as a frontrunner. She looks good in her pic though...... (NT) -- Dane, 23:09:40 11/20/09 Fri I think this is her first year doing the state pageant. Not sure. She photographs really young but she is really glamourous looking on stage live. She is definitely a contender. Don't see her taking it this year, she is not quite there, but almost. (NT) -- ., 23:53:50 11/20/09 Fri Just to bring everyone up to speed on the controversy in NC/SC it is due to the fact that there have been a lot of mixing of roles with RPM and Chelsea Cooley. Mainly she is a sponsor of the pageant with her company StandOut Productions, but for the past 3 years she has had training sessions with contestants and then picks judges for the pageant, is behind the scenes during rehersals, etc. and ultimately a girl wins who she has seen at least once. What the boards have been saying is that In the past three years, there has never been a winner who has not seen Chelsea at least once. Supposedly, a lot of the girls she coaches is told to go to a certain shop to buy her wardrobe as well. I don't know what the truth is, but this is what everyone is complaining about. (NT) -- NC/SC issues??, 23:13:46 11/20/09 Fri You just reported the truth, except you left out that apparently she also was in the judges suites with them and talked to them during the pageant. Apparently, at least one of the judges in NC is a client of Chelseas and last year two or more of the judges for NC and SC were also clients of Cooleys. Also, one of the judges for NC also judged RPM's Sun fun festival in Myrtle Beach for RPM this year which is a preliminary for SC USA. (NT) -- interesting and wrong, 23:28:24 11/20/09 Fri Let me just say this: I was a contestant in NC and not once did I see Chelsea in rehearsals. Matter of fact I did not see her at all (NT) -- except at prelims in the audience and the same for finals night. What is the big deal?, 23:24:38 11/20/09 Fri Then you were not a contestant because it was reported all over the NC board or you just were not looking at the right place. I guess you did not see her backstage either as was reported. (NT) -- so you know, 23:31:29 11/20/09 Fri So YOU know, ask any other contestant and they will tell you the same. (NT) -- She was no where to be seen at rehearsals., 00:01:08 11/21/09 Sat I was a contestant at NCUSA. Chelsea Cooley was sitting at the judges table right next to Dana during rehearsals. I swear on my momma's life. (NT) -- NCUSA contestant, 02:21:57 11/21/09 Sat Apparently other contestants totally disagree with you NCUSA contestant because they totally saw Cooley at NC rehearsals. Othere contestants are telling the real story of Cooley's involvement with RPM. (NT) -- jmo, 12:49:33 11/21/09 Sat if you read my post correctly i was agreeing. Chelsea WAS in rehearsals. sitting at the judgest table. she was also backstage during finals. (NT) -- NCUSA contestant, 13:49:41 11/21/09 Sat Big conflict as she coached a lot of the girls, and bigger problem if her company has done business with the judges. Judge=impartial! (NT) -- so you know, 23:33:37 11/20/09 Fri I think many people are suspicious of the Standout/RPM relationship. RPM blew it last year by making Chelsea a part of the production and having several of her Nascar clients on the judging panel. I get the feeling that RPM has acknowledges their errors of judgement and have taken the proper steps to correct the perceived unfairness. (Thank God!!) I believe that the SC pageant this year will be as fair as is has been in the pre-Standout years. Paula is a smart woman. My faith has been restored. (NT) -- SC follower, 00:06:42 11/21/09 Sat Miss standouts - Bishop, Vaughn, Eaves, McLeod, Law, Roberson, and B Price (NT) -- BG, 00:35:12 11/21/09 Sat Yeah, I think the T-5 is in your list. (NT) -- ., 00:42:34 11/21/09 Sat BPrice. Mcleod. Law.Groome. Bishop or Vaughn...Roberson maybe. (NT) -- ., 01:20:09 11/21/09 Sat Stoffel was not good at all in swimsuit and appeared inexperienced. I was not impressed. (NT) -- observer, 01:57:29 11/21/09 Sat I love how you all are putting Bishop in your top 5. She's my "road to" pick but I was very iffy about it. How did Jasensky do? I also liked her (and B. Price). (NT) -- M Back, 02:02:57 11/21/09 Sat Jasensky is a no. Way to tiny and not a great SS much better picture than in Person. B. Price was a little flat. Did not like her dress this year.. (NT) -- attended, 02:05:49 11/21/09 Sat Do you think Bishop can win it? Thanks for the 4-1-1. (NT) -- M Back, 02:07:10 11/21/09 Sat Truthfully, I say no. I think she was looking a little old compare to alot of the other contestants and is just skinny. I personally do not like that look. I actually will be shocked if Bishop wins.. (NT) -- attended, 02:11:46 11/21/09 Sat Saw several girls mess up on stage and some that surprised me. (NT) -- oh well, 02:19:56 11/21/09 Sat Heard Bobbi was great in SS, but was weak in gown, as if she had problems walking. B Price had a small misstep in gown. Rachel Law, Leah Hickman, Reid Macleod, Stephanie Vaughn all looked good. Heard Spears looks great as well. This is from someone at prelims. (NT) -- SFG, 02:31:24 11/21/09 Sat Bishop will not win because SC would be stupid to send her to nationals with those pictures out on the web. Especially after the Tara Connor, Katie Rees scandals. Let's be for real here. (NT) -- WannaBe, 09:17:11 11/21/09 Sat agree with your top picks...however, thought that Grace looks a little out of sorts...Love Grace, but she appears thinner but not toned and her hair looks an odd color, very pretty girl though. Reid is much thinner than she was at her prelim, Law and Vaughn were both very different and very beauitful! (NT) -- Pageant Fan, 09:27:14 11/21/09 Sat Just curious, How did Bobbi's hair look? Was it brown or sort of redish? Short or long? (NT) -- Thanks, 09:23:59 11/21/09 Sat long and brown (NT) -- there, 10:56:01 11/21/09 Sat Just because Jasensky is small don't count her OUT let's not forget Tiffaney Andrade and Leah Laviano from Crystals year. I also read on the other board that she had a good body!!! (NT) -- Just sayin, 13:46:23 11/21/09 Sat I hope SC is fair but if it is it is because of all the questions that surrounded the NC and LA pageant this year. It was widely reported that one of the judges for NC is one of Chelsea's clients with Standout. There is still a huge problem. (NT) -- so you know, 12:51:26 11/21/09 Sat Click in for a review from the SC board. -- Very descriptive., 13:14:45 11/21/09 Sat This is one of the BEST prelim reviews I've EVER read. I love how your kept it positive and constructive rather than snidely bashing contestants as happens far too often. (NT) -- oz, 14:08:47 11/21/09 Sat Great review and thanks for posting it! I am curious to find out who the winners will be after you mentioned the fact that the judges are all male. Brittany Price is still my pick for the win! (NT) -- Illini, 14:22:08 11/21/09 Sat I hope Brittany Price pull through and wins, firstly because she fits the profile and second, I really like the girl and have been a fan of hers for years. (NT) -- ., 16:09:47 11/21/09 Sat Chelsea was not at rehearsals and stayed in the audience both nights. Also, Kristen was never a client of Chelsea's and she won. Nor was Julia. So her girls don't always win. (NT) -- nc fan, 14:31:51 11/21/09 Sat sorry NC fan, kristen and julia both went to see chelsea (not recently) so there for both are automatically a "CC girl" when they win. Sorry but true (NT) -- confirmed, 16:19:46 11/21/09 Sat Will this pageant be webcast tonight (NT) -- fan, 17:25:36 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Your next Miss OK USA 2010...best of luck Morgan!
Author: Qban [Edit]	Date Posted: 17:05:09 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I hope so! I loved her as a Teen and I think she'll do even better as a Miss. Plus, she's such a sweetheart. Go Morgan! You can do it! (NT) -- version 2.0, 17:22:17 11/21/09 Sat Well she looks GREAT here! (NT) -- Midwest Momma, 17:24:09 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: OK USA
Author: fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:21:19 11/21/09 Sat my favs for Miss: Michelle Bruffett, Morgan Woolard, Lindsey harvey, Danielle Tettleton, Laura Clarkson My favs for teen: Kandis Holt, Rachel Ofori,Rachel Swetnam,Chelsea Whaley, Kali Roberson [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Umm okay, Morgan Wollard = too much lip collogen? (NT) -- yikes, 12:43:49 11/21/09 Sat Morgan just 2-3 years ago. (NT) -- , 13:31:56 11/21/09 Sat Looks much better here. Now I just think she looks way over processed and nasty. Ug, those lips. (NT) -- That tan. That hair! That pink lip color!!! It's a nightmare, 14:02:01 11/21/09 Sat have you not noticed a trend with all of these type of girls? sometimes you hate so much on them. have u ever stopped to think that maybe even though they know they don't look good, it makes them feel good? aren't we taught not to care about what others think? (NT) -- fellowblondebarbie!, 15:31:36 11/21/09 Sat No. We are taught to care what everyone thinks... particularly that special group of people who are selected with the entire goal of thinking like this and picking the best looking out of those on stage. In this world it doesn't matter how you feel about your looks, it only matters what those in front of you think. In the real world, maybe, but this is the pageant world and that rule does not apply. (NT) -- Hint: they are called beauty pageant judges, 16:31:36 11/21/09 Sat Look like lots of blondes for OK USA and brunettes for OK Teen USA! (NT) -- Rawr, 12:53:35 11/21/09 Sat My vote is Michelle Bruffet, if she wins then OK will instantly enter my top 5. (NT) -- PF, 12:59:15 11/21/09 Sat Not a fan of ANY of these girls. At all. (NT) -- FAQ, 13:38:53 11/21/09 Sat Do not know any of these women, and never follow this pageant (from the East Coast) but I must say that if the Bruffet girl does not win OK has no chance at a Miss USA. She is a delightful beauty! (NT) -- me3, 16:51:58 11/21/09 Sat Just saw Morgans gown. It's not that hideous thing in the picture (NT) -- Whew!, 17:16:50 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Kentucky is a week away - wish they would post pictures - they are always so slow! If there were photos I guess I would get more excited about it.
Author: -- [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:15:55 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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they're not slow, they choose not to post them before-hand. they usually have pics up right after the pageant (that week (NT) -- ...), 15:25:22 11/21/09 Sat Then yes they are slow...should provide fans with more info..if not for the fans there would be no Miss pageants (NT) -- Lion Boy :o), 15:28:00 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: MISS USA 2010 - THE MUSIC
Author: Denim [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:52:21 11/21/09 Sat this song from Janet needs to be incorporated into the production. i'm thinking opening number or swimsuit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I just knew michael jackson wasn't dead all along! (NT) -- He's just doing drag now!, 15:07:03 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Aileen Yap's national costume???
Author: Lorna [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:03:35 11/21/09 Sat what the hell is it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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astronaut? (NT) -- breeZe, 13:09:33 11/21/09 Sat And a bad attempt at that. If you�re going to dress as an astronaut go full out (ala Lu Parker at Universe 94), not a quasi version of it. In addition, there is nothing unique about this costume. Although beautiful, sadly I predict Aileen will be a clapper. (NT) -- Holly, 13:20:19 11/21/09 Sat I don't know..is it a nurse astronaut? Looks like she bought this costume at Walmart during the 90% off halloween clearance sale (NT) -- Evie, 13:43:56 11/21/09 Sat sexy cafeteria lady? (NT) -- M Back, 14:32:41 11/21/09 Sat eveyone is bringing two set of costumes. (NT) -- The good one is reserved for the final!, 14:50:53 11/21/09 Sat I think Vietnum is laughing at it... =D (NT) -- nm luv, 14:58:15 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: STATES THAT ARE REAL CONTENDERS?
Author: BATMAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:04:23 11/21/09 Sat COULD SOME ONE LIST THE TOP TEN STATES IN MISS USA AND HOW THEY RANK IN PAST WINNERS. OR IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE THE LIST IS OF PAST WINNERS, THE YEAR AND STATE. THANKS [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Can a 18 year old win Miss IL USA 2010?
Author: ? [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:13:39 11/21/09 Sat When was the last time a 18 year old won Miss IL USA? My pick to win Miss IL USA 2010 is Jasmine Guy and she's 18. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes. But you have work to do. You have to bring it and out shine the 20 somethings. The bottom line is this, if you met the qualifications to enter the pageant you have chance just like anyone else. -- Pageant Queen, 13:50:29 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Amy during final rehearsal
Author: b [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:00:15 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Go Amy. Good Luck! Make us proud. (NT) -- jake, 11:11:11 11/21/09 Sat What the hell is she wearing?! (NT) -- Jersey Girl, 12:34:13 11/21/09 Sat pajama (NT) -- lol, 12:42:51 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: IL USA
Author: fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 04:47:10 11/21/09 Sat My favs for Miss: Brittany Acosta, Ashley Bradarich, Megan Ervin, Angela Sparrow, Michelle VadeBoncouer My favs for teen: A Atkins, D Cutinello, Ciara Watts, Suzanne Plahm, Victoria Login [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That's Brittany? Wow.. she's changed! I remember seeing her crowned for her teen title. Can't wait to see how she competes this year. (NT) -- Rawr, 06:44:06 11/21/09 Sat Brittany was much prettier as a Teen (NT) -- fan, 10:30:46 11/21/09 Sat My favorites -- Anthony, 08:10:32 11/21/09 Sat i really like Angela Sparrow, she is my choice. She's around five foot eight, and is stunning. (NT) -- pageant fan, 10:23:45 11/21/09 Sat I loooove Alicia Huleisy!!! She is beautiful-definitely my pick! (NT) -- IL Fan, 10:33:34 11/21/09 Sat Alicia is my pick too! <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/mmssarah/?action=view¤t=huleisyJPG.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/mmssarah/huleisyJPG.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> (NT) -- Cheering you on!, 10:40:33 11/21/09 Sat Brittany Acosta is gorgeous...I was shocked she did not make top 15 at teen, I hope she wins Illinois. (NT) -- fan, 12:41:01 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Here's a throwback...
Author: MUOFAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 12:40:40 11/21/09 Sat Amy during the 2007 Miss Florida USA pageant. She still looks great and did an amazing job at Florida USA that year. Now she is going to be our new Miss Earth!!! Go AMY!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Quick reminder...lots of pageants going on this week and next week. The ROAD TO contests are now open for Oklahoma, Massachusetts, S Carolina, Virginia, California, Illinois (posted pics), North Dakota and Connecticut.
Author: Qban [Edit]	Date Posted: 11:47:12 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Help please :) How do you post pictures on this board?
Author: IL Fan [Edit]	Date Posted: 10:55:36 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Subject: WOW!!! Surprising!! But now that she resigned the state title, which of her GORGEOUS runners-up will be taking over? This clearly changes the playing field for Miss USA 2010 in a major way, and I couldn't be happier.
Author: BamaMan [Edit]	Date Posted: 14:52:08 11/20/09 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Bama...are you being a poo head? WHO? (NT) -- ETB, 14:53:06 11/20/09 Fri ?! (NT) -- ?!, 14:53:38 11/20/09 Fri Texas????? Florida???? who????? (NT) -- MUOFAN....please do tell!!, 15:00:40 11/20/09 Fri Oh God, Please let it be TEXAS!!!! (NT) -- .Ana for Miss USA, 15:01:56 11/20/09 Fri Who are you talking about that resigned her title. What state???? (NT) -- anon, 15:07:06 11/20/09 Fri LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- old school fan, 15:14:07 11/20/09 Fri Ditto. (NT) -- New York Guy, 16:17:37 11/20/09 Fri I heard the first and second RU declined, seems the second RU is actually pregnant but didn't know when she was competing... too bad really. Don't know why the 1 RU doesn't want to take over, she'd be fantastic. But I'm great with the 3RU, too, she will have one of the best bodies at Miss USA, no doubt. Beauty wins in the end!!! (NT) -- Tanja, 15:14:10 11/20/09 Fri Y'all suck. (NT) -- LOL, 15:18:05 11/20/09 Fri Well, the 3RU was my last choice of the four. We already have so many of her "type" competing in the pageant. UGH! Maybe the 4RU will take over. (NT) -- BamaMan, 15:23:13 11/20/09 Fri AND OMG I cannot wait until the video in question is released!!!!!!!!!! There are going to be some really SHOCKED people in her state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- old school fan, 15:17:28 11/20/09 Fri I know what you mean. At least Carrie Prejean did solo videos. Dang! (NT) -- BamaMan, 15:26:38 11/20/09 Fri Video?? Where did you read about a video?? I thought it was because she slept with one of the judges?! (NT) -- Tanja, 15:41:20 11/20/09 Fri Who is her????? (NT) -- Mandi, 15:18:58 11/20/09 Fri Would anyone care to divulge, or is this just a silly joke =) (NT) -- Ry, 15:22:12 11/20/09 Fri What state are we talking about? (NT) -- CCF, 15:22:48 11/20/09 Fri since this is coming from BamaMan i don't know whether this is real or not! (NT) -- Pageant Mistress, 15:32:28 11/20/09 Fri OMG! I just got the news....winner should be thrown in jail for that debacle! And now the 1st RU wants the title after saying no. The director has one mess on her hands! (NT) -- MUOFAN....giggle, 15:42:56 11/20/09 Fri I call Bull on this. If it was legit they would have posted who it was. Lies. (NT) -- n, 15:43:35 11/20/09 Fri Com'on for ur information is Florida they're talking about!!! (NT) -- I felt sorry for her! bless her!, 15:58:04 11/20/09 Fri I just googled and didn't find any information this? What's the story? (NT) -- n, 16:01:19 11/20/09 Fri lmao (NT) -- Pageantthings, 16:09:38 11/20/09 Fri Is this April Fool's Day ? (NT) -- mandi, 16:10:24 11/20/09 Fri Guys obviously its a joke. If it were real we'd know about ti and people wouldn't be talking in code and not revealing who it was. It would be big news. Im over it. (NT) -- .., 16:13:23 11/20/09 Fri if it's Bama, it usually is a joke (NT) -- USBModStacey, 16:19:54 11/20/09 Fri MODS why don't you tell bana not to do this. There are newbies who do not know his so called humor (NT) -- catalina, 16:44:42 11/20/09 Fri CATALINA... because it is posted at the top of board in our rules to warn newbies. Also, if someone is new to the board, they will quickly determine Bama's posting style as purely sarcasm (NT) -- USBModStacey, 16:52:12 11/20/09 Fri Besides, why can't we have some fun on the board once in a while? Nothing has to be so danged serious. :P (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:51:46 11/20/09 Fri I love lighthearted humor, and I look forward to Bama's posts. (NT) -- Rawr, 06:52:48 11/21/09 Sat Its one thing when its Bama but then you have Tanja and OSF continuing the fake drama. (NT) -- dumb., 16:54:57 11/20/09 Fri Wait until you see the tape!!!! Nothing "fake" about the drama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- old school fan, 16:59:29 11/20/09 Fri well nowhere is the news does it say any titleholder resigned. So unless you want to give names/states/details...lets just drop it. (NT) -- ..., 17:06:48 11/20/09 Fri If this is true then I hope its either Arizona or Ohio or North Carolina or Florida, or must I go on??? (NT) -- IHP, 17:14:08 11/20/09 Fri Maybe he's talking about NM! ;-) (NT) -- NM, 17:19:51 11/20/09 Fri No no no he's talking about NEVADA: Gorgeous runnerups and average winner .. (NT) -- duh!, 18:35:54 11/20/09 Fri Whatever...the results were read backwards anyway. (NT) -- Tiki Java, 19:40:53 11/20/09 Fri Oh please let it be FL or maybe NV (NT) -- Hope you're right Tiki, they read the result backwards., 23:04:36 11/20/09 Fri Please let it be florida and Amanda Zitzman would be Phenominal at nationals... PRAYING NOW.... (NT) -- crownfollower, 07:42:07 11/21/09 Sat This Post -- PD, 10:10:16 11/21/09 Sat Oh please people know is not true, We are just doing wishful thinking. (NT) -- Miriam, 10:44:36 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Kate-Marie swinging in last minute to attempt to steal the Miss DC USA crown...
Author: YaRight [Edit]	Date Posted: 22:25:53 11/20/09 Fri Shouldn't there be a deadline for girls entering a pageant? Not 3 weeks before the pageant. Unless whoever made her facebook group is a little belated. She's not a USA girl, she should stick to America... LOL no boobs, under 5'5 and thunder thighs [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She looks like she's 50, are you sure she's not competing for Mrs. DC? -- Lovelybubbles, 22:30:59 11/20/09 Fri wow, definitely not USA material. Good luck in MRS system (NT) -- time to move on, 22:33:31 11/20/09 Fri Leave her... (NT) -- Leave her alone....she looks fantastic!, 22:33:04 11/20/09 Fri Wow, this post is pretty mean. Kate is a very, very nice girl and did a wonderful job at Miss DC. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I happen to think she is beautiful. Even prettier in person as well. I wish her luck at Miss DC USA, but don't want anyone I like to win that pageant and have to deal with that shtshow all year. (NT) -- Doodle, 22:34:01 11/20/09 Fri* Lacey Minchew #2? (NT) -- Good Luck at USA, 22:36:31 11/20/09 Fri Actually, I think Kate is rather stunning. Thanks for sharing the good news that she is competing! (NT) -- Doodle , 22:42:03 11/20/09 Fri She could giv DC a spot bak into top 15! She looks a hell of a lot better than most of the state reps crowned so far. Good luck to her! (NT) -- Dane, 22:53:20 11/20/09 Fri She's beautiful!!! Love that gown on her, too, so gorgeous. I hope she wins! (NT) -- Tanja, 04:41:28 11/21/09 Sat OKAY. someone is delusional. If THOSE are thunder thighs, I'd like a pair please. (NT) -- Marisol, 22:48:24 11/20/09 Fri I guess taste is subjective, she's not my cup of tea! (NT) -- NT, 22:51:24 11/20/09 Fri In NC someone entered the night before, so three weeks is fantastic. (NT) -- so you know, 22:57:24 11/20/09 Fri I think she is gorgeous and agree she is definitely better than most USA contestants that have been crowned so far. (NT) -- jmo, 23:00:28 11/20/09 Fri Wow, she is great. Hope she does win it. Sounds like someone is very scared of her. (NT) -- Maybe they should be!!!, 23:08:28 11/20/09 Fri Interesting, a white girl in DC? -- IN YOUR DREAMS!, 23:34:35 11/20/09 Fri How is she 5'5"? I remember this Miss America show and she towered over all the other contestants. Does someone know how tall she really is? To the person who doesn't believe a white girl could win Miss DC USA, it balances out since Miss DC America usually crowns white girls who are from out of town. I have no complaints (NT) -- no name, 00:01:27 11/21/09 Sat thunder thighs? really? (NT) -- Pageant Mistress, 00:36:42 11/21/09 Sat If that is no boobs then I would very much luuuuuvvvvv to have "no boobs". (NT) -- JR, 09:48:55 11/21/09 Sat DC-MAO was her very first pageant. Miss America was her second. (NT) -- This will be her third. Hope USA will be her fourth!, 02:02:05 11/21/09 Sat nice girl, not USA material... too mommy-like the rest of Miss America girls. -- ...., 02:05:58 11/21/09 Sat I actually liked her A LOT at MAO last year. Thought she was classy and very elegant. A little Lauren Bacall-ish. Though a tad stiff on stage. I think if she punches up the sex factor she'll make a seamless transition to USA. I don't know who's competing against her but I bet money she's got a good shot. And she's a dancer, so whoever said she has "thunder thighs" has clearly never seen thigh MUSCLES before. (NT) -- M Back, 02:10:01 11/21/09 Sat I actually liked her A LOT at MAO last year. Thought she was classy and very elegant. A little Lauren Bacall-ish. Though a tad stiff on stage. I think if she punches up the sex factor she'll make a seamless transition to USA. I don't know who's competing against her but I bet money she's got a good shot. And she's a dancer, so whoever said she has "thunder thighs" has clearly never seen thigh MUSCLES before. (NT) -- M Back, 02:29:05 11/21/09 Sat d'oh!!!!!! sorry. mods please delete one of these. thanks. (NT) -- M Back, 02:43:56 11/21/09 Sat I agree. She could make a great transformation, and her figure in that pic is amazing. Toned and feminine. (NT) -- San, 04:07:03 11/21/09 Sat I think this girl has potential. I never watch Miss America, so I don't know much about her competition style. She looks great in that gown picture posted, though! (NT) -- Rawr, 06:47:44 11/21/09 Sat she's well-equipped to win Miss DC. I remember watching her at Miss America, and commenting that she should cross-over into Miss USA. Hope she wins. (NT) -- William NYC, 07:04:40 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: How do you post pictures? Thanks
Author: Help [Edit]	Date Posted: 08:43:37 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss California USA Top 15.
Author: SanFranGuy [Edit]	Date Posted: 18:13:31 11/20/09 Fri So, I am recreating a list as some have have changed. There are literally about seven or eight girls who could take this, so keep in mind that the winner you see here might change before broadcast. Top : Bonnie Carmalt Mary Simonsen Nana Merriweather Rachel Rose Nicole Johnson Top 10: Sarah Chapman Lacey Bollinger Kristina Johnson Chelsea Harris Louise Wu Top 15: Sno E. Blac Michelle Spaleta Mariyan Bahadarakhann Jan Jumphrey BUBBLES: Greta Pechter could see her doing well Nicole Chiu see Greta Ashley Alcala Bianca Rodriguez Nia Sanchez [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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who are the state hoppers here? (NT) -- catalina, 18:23:28 11/20/09 Fri Rachel Rose (Florida) and Lacey Bollinger (Texas) (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:27:20 11/20/09 Fri Sno E. Blac is my favorite! (NT) -- ., 18:24:39 11/20/09 Fri Krystal Sewell is in the number 14 spot! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:28:16 11/20/09 Fri YAH KRYSTAL!! (NT) -- MissCity09, 18:39:44 11/20/09 Fri SHe is pretty! Yes. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:43:40 11/20/09 Fri Like your list SanFranGuy. (NT) -- Miriam, 18:48:52 11/20/09 Fri Thanks Miriam! (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 18:59:48 11/20/09 Fri 7 out of 15. But you have 4 of my top 5 (including winner, Nicole Johnson.) Sorry you didn't have my "wildcard" though (Colleen Hunter). She's got such a fresh look. I will say I think you played it safe (Meriwether and Chapman) with girls that have placed in previous years. I don't get EITHER of those chicks but...to each their own. At least you had the chutzpah to create this list and leave yourself open to ridicule! LOL (NT) -- M Back, 19:08:38 11/20/09 Fri But who are you "road to" ing? You're waffling more than an IHOP on there! LOL (NT) -- M Back, 19:11:46 11/20/09 Fri I dreamt last night the final two were Rachel Rose and Bonnie Carmalt. My heart wants Bonnie or Rachel anyway. We will see. And I actually like Nana and Sarah, so I don't think I was playing it safe. The only safe bet was Nicole Chiu, and I placed her on my bubble. (NT) -- SanFranGuy, 19:50:33 11/20/09 Fri Hope it's Bonnie. She would do Calif proud. Accomplished, dedicated and hard working title holder (NT) -- OC fan, 20:59:31 11/20/09 Fri beautiful girl but a little strange, she had a very hard time relating to anyone when she competed at Miss CA (MAO) a few years back (NT) -- but maybe she's grown up since then?, 03:23:55 11/21/09 Sat N I C O L E J O H N S O N (NT) -- M Back, 21:11:44 11/20/09 Fri Love all the girls in your top 10!!! My pick is Nicole Johnson...what a stunner! (NT) -- Dane, 21:25:26 11/20/09 Fri And Dane.....that is not even a good picture of Nicole Johnson. I really hope she wins. Then people will get her more. I mean she looks good in this headshot, but speaking as someone that has seen this girl up close in person....she's drop dead gorgeous! (NT) -- M Back, 21:43:47 11/20/09 Fri Well let's pray Cali chooses her, because I am dying for another stunner right about now! MBack do you know how tall she is??? (NT) -- Dane, 22:56:59 11/20/09 Fri I'm really not sure. Sorry. She's definitely not what would be considered "short" though (by pageant standards.) I'd take a guess and say 5'8" but I may be way off. (Not helfpul, I know.) (NT) -- M Back, 23:47:30 11/20/09 Fri I think the giorl who could be more petitie could be Rachel if I am not mistaken. I would love to hear how prelims go! (NT) -- SFG, 03:16:28 11/21/09 Sat Michelle Speleta for the title....have see nher compete in Ma. She is faboulous !!!! (NT) -- Miss Mass, 21:38:07 11/20/09 Fri Calling Chelsea Harris for the WIN. (NT) -- /, 21:46:48 11/20/09 Fri i hope sarah takes it all!She is stunning! (NT) -- jojo, 23:49:23 11/20/09 Fri thanks for postring sarah (NT) -- bahahahahahaa, 02:11:00 11/21/09 Sat Really like Rachel seems as nice on the inside as her beauty on the outside..Thanks Florida, well gladly have her (NT) -- Crazypageantweekend, 07:45:51 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Miss World 2009 candidates at St Francis Bay
Author: Lin [Edit]	Date Posted: 04:10:56 11/21/09 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss France was interviewed. She has great wit, says she's the new Tiger Woods (of the putt-putt course) but that the other girls don't know it because it's a secret. I think she's great. (NT) -- Alex, 05:22:46 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Hehe
Author: oz [Edit]	Date Posted: 01:34:34 11/21/09 Sat Which 2010 board fave is in these pics? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Grace Spears (South Carolina) from SC TUSA 2005. (NT) -- Anonymous, 01:46:48 11/21/09 Sat Nope... wrong state (NT) -- oz, 01:48:48 11/21/09 Sat Then it's North Carolina Teen USA 2005...and the only one I can recoginze is Kristen Dalton I believe. (NT) -- Anonymous, 01:54:42 11/21/09 Sat Crap its Georgia Teen USA 2006... (NT) -- Anonymous, 01:57:24 11/21/09 Sat No. This is Georgia. Atlanta, Lilburn, etc. I can only guess it's the new Miss Georgia USA and I think I can even pinpoint Cassady in the top photo. I sure can spot Kim Giddings. I'd know those headlights anywhere! (NT) -- M Back, 01:57:15 11/21/09 Sat Yea, as soon as I squinted my eyes again I saw Marietta...and was like there is no Marietta in NC or SC. Then I noticed Brittany Sharp and Jena Sims..finally. (NT) -- Anonymous, 02:00:28 11/21/09 Sat Kaylin Reque (GA USA 2010, 2nd runner-up) is one of the girls. (NT) -- Anonymous, 02:02:12 11/21/09 Sat Congratulations! No prize but you're the winner ;) (NT) -- oz, 02:03:00 11/21/09 Sat I win by 9 seconds! LOLOLOL (NT) -- M Back (time stamps don't lie), 02:46:58 11/21/09 Sat I'm sure I'll be in the minority but I really like that gown that Marietta is sporting. (NT) -- M Back, 02:04:23 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: RETURNING ILLINOIS CONTESTANTS
Author: oz [Edit]	Date Posted: 00:07:01 11/21/09 Sat There's more than people have noticed... these are the girls who have placed before MISS CONTESTANTS Brittany Acosta (3RU 09, IL TUSA 04) Ashley Bradarich (2RU 09) Caitlyn McCabe (4RU 09, 3RU 08, 1RU 07, SF 06, SF 05, SF IL TUSA 04) Lindsey Hess (T15 09, T16 08, T17 07) Brittni Hubbard (T15 09) Nicole Huber (T15 09, T17 07, SF 06, SF IL TUSA 04) Michelle VadeBoncouer (T15 09, SF IL TUSA 06) Emily Cassens (T16 08, 4RU IL TUSA 06) Nicole Liozzi (2RU IL TUSA 07, 3RU IL TUSA 06) Brittni Hubbard (T18 IL TUSA 07, SF IL TUSA 06) Ashlee Barr (T15 IL TUSA 05) Danielle Dominski (2RU MI USA 08, SF MI USA 06, T5 MI TUSA 05) TEEN CONTESTANTS Victoria Login (1RU 09) Paige Higgerson (3RU 09) Kathryn Ryan (4RU 09) Angela Chinino (T16 09) Jessica Jacksa (T16 09) Chelsea Reardon (T16 09) Alyssa Kennedy (T16 08) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You have 2 Brittni Hubbard on the list. (NT) -- , 00:18:36 11/21/09 Sat* Oops! (NT) -- oz, 00:27:01 11/21/09 Sat Michelle Vadeboncouer was also I believe 3rd ru IL Teen in 2005... =) (NT) -- Ry, 01:00:28 11/21/09 Sat You're right! I missed that :) (NT) -- oz, 01:16:15 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Rachael on Celebrity Masterchef
Author: oz [Edit]	Date Posted: 21:42:47 11/20/09 Fri This vid is from the first heat... she's since got through the first and second semi-final episodes with glowing feedback - the judges view her as one of the best! The last episode was in the kitchen of the restaurant where the Miss Universe Australia launch was held... I kid you not, this was one of the judges reaction to Rachael's dessert... he literally licked his plate it was so good! ... & from the episode before Caption from the Masterchef site... "Eamon makes a face when Matt says Rachael's dessert is better than his pavlova" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh what a breathtaking Miss Universe she would have been... (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 22:17:45 11/20/09 Fri <sigh> (totally, Global Guy) (NT) -- M Back, 22:52:30 11/20/09 Fri Visit www.masterchef.com.au click on video and you can watch all the episodes. (NT) -- Sone, 00:33:26 11/21/09 Sat

Subject: Minnesota Miss & Teen USA
Author: Let's get this party started [Edit]	Date Posted: 19:21:19 11/20/09 Fri Any idea when contestant photos will be up? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Next week. Maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. (NT) -- :o), 20:10:05 11/20/09 Fri Brianna Michelle Waguespack... Ms Teen Louisaina 10 -- LaMomFAN, 23:25:53 11/20/09 Fri

Subject: Miss MD USA
Author: oz [Edit]	Date Posted: 21:46:11 11/18/09 Wed I think she looks a lot more promising in this pic... I think it just depends on styling and angles... she just needs some good coaching... But I just LOVE the Teen! So cool that I was the only "Road to" player who saw her potential... yep, still rueing that one. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oz you definitely have bragging rights, the teen is a doll. (NT) -- 123, 22:01:55 11/18/09 Wed Love Kamie...She doesn't even have that much makeup on and still Looks great...Already Top 5 for me!!!!!!! (NT) -- MissNYEssence, 09:06:08 11/20/09 Fri I thought "rueing" meant you were sorry you did something. Is there a different NZ definition for that word? (NT) -- {}, 09:25:51 11/20/09 Fri Yeah, as in rueing the fact that I had her picked for the Road To then changed my mind at the last minute to a former runner-up who wasn't nearly as beautiful... Had I stuck with Kamie I would have been the only one to get a point and I'd be tied for the Teen lead right now! Booooo (NT) -- oz, 14:05:23 11/20/09 Fri Got it :) (NT) -- {}, 19:46:18 11/20/09 Fri Am I the only one who sees a resemblence to Candice Sanders CA 03? (NT) -- the Miss that is, 10:24:07 11/20/09 Fri The teen is cute, if someone can teach her make-up tricks to help her a little bit with her nose, please I am not criticizing I just think that she can make it look a bit less wide and she will be a knock out....and yes I do see the Candace in the Miss she definitely can look better with the right guidance. (NT) -- Star, 12:33:59 11/20/09 Fri I agree, the teen needs either a new nose or better makeup (NT) -- Cute, 13:25:09 11/20/09 Fri Maybe I'm a minority as far as my thoughts with this one, but I LOVE Miss MD. I think there have been a few bad photos, but I can see her with a bit of styling help being absolutely beautiful at nationals. Maybe it's her multi-cultural look that I'm drawn to? (NT) -- Kate B., 13:23:16 11/20/09 Fri Maryland will for the first time have both of their reps make top 5 in the same year.....Go Maryland! (NT) -- Lion Boy :o), 14:21:51 11/20/09 Fri I would LOVE to see both make the cut! I think Simone is down right beautiful! (NT) -- Boots, 14:49:04 11/20/09 Fri Boots...they both will make the cut...guaraunteed.The Miss is very very photogenic...she looks so different in all the photos I have seen of her.And the Teen...just simply teen looking..fresh...and cant wait to see her in her swim wear to see if the body matches what I see to be a total package so far. (NT) -- Lion Boy :o), 15:15:23 11/20/09 Fri Well, I sure will have my fingers crossed.......... (NT) -- Boots, 20:54:21 11/20/09 Fri Boots...remind me to give you a call or shoot you an e-mail this weekend..... =) (NT) -- Doodle, 22:37:26 11/20/09 Fri If the teen's hair was curly she'd look like Ashley Coleman. (NT) -- M Back, 20:58:05 11/20/09 Fri She is much more attractive than Ashley. :o) (NT) -- Lion Boy :o), 21:12:45 11/20/09 Fri I agree. I just said if her hair was curly she'd look like Ashley Coleman. And she would. Ashley had a little overbite. This girl does not. Nonetheless I see a resemblance, facially. (NT) -- M Back, 21:20:27 11/20/09 Fri She had a " HUMONGOUS" over bite.... :o) (NT) -- Lion Boy :o), 21:24:12 11/20/09 Fri And she's got a HUMONGOUS Miss Teen USA title on her resume too, Lion Boy. (Leave poor Ashley alone.) LOL (NT) -- M Back, 22:50:40 11/20/09 Fri

Subject: The Top 15 GOWNS of Miss Earth 2010...Miss USA made the top 15 gowns
Author: ~~ [Edit]	Date Posted: 20:24:16 11/20/09 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Brazil was elegant but she kept playing with her hair; very distracting. Guam looked like Lara Dutta. Korea's gown didn't fit her very well; she tugged one of the shoulders up, but her sassy haircut and appeal were obvious, Mexico had the ugliest gown; bright, bright yellow and very full. She looked like a lemon tree just exploded! Poland in that red number was slinky and sexy as all hell; loved her upswept hair too. Spain was magnificent in a very unconventional EG, that I really liked. Ukraine looked uncomfortable a tad, but her gown with the nude side panel that went ALL THE WAY UP HER LEG and crossed onto her chest was very interesting; not sure if I liked it but I definitely noticed it. Amy OWNED the runway and Venezuela looked very relaxed an non-patty. Something about Italy I really like. Hard to choose a winner but I have a really strong feeling Amy's going to win. The flashbulbs were insane when she was walking. She's not the prettiest but she's the most polished. (NT) -- M Back, 20:54:00 11/20/09 Fri Random thoughts: Thailand is FIERCE, and I know we don't always like that adjective. But she is working it. USA's gown is perfect. Not wild about the face, but great gown. Spain looks amazing as well. Venezuela is probably a solid Top 5, but the dress is too "confectionary." Speaking of "confectionary," Phillipines' gown is awful. Just awful. Hate it. Mexico's gown is the worst color imagineable. Don't like Ukraine at all. Too severe. I love that red one (? what is Poland), but I wish she would let go of it. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 21:06:54 11/20/09 Fri There were TWO red gowns. I think you are referring to Italy (who wouldn't let go of her gown.) Poland's gown was way slinkier and the fabric just CLUNG to her. It fit her like a glove. When she came down the stairs I was like, "OMG WORK!!" I don't like Philippines gown either but I love the girl in it. And you are right about Thailand she was workin' it. Forgot to mention her. (NT) -- M Back, 21:10:31 11/20/09 Fri The red gowns are Colombia and Poland. Itlay's is a pretty pale, maybe pink or "light white." Love Poland big time. Also think India's color is fantastic. Gorgeous color. (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 22:18:44 11/20/09 Fri I loved Thailand. I thought she was really hot. USA killed it up there...way to go!!! Wondering what Poland's dress would look like without her holding the train the entire time. (NT) -- Apple Green, 21:08:41 11/20/09 Fri I really love the gowns...wow!!! Korea looks like a high fashion model with that gown on. I love Spain's gown...who's the designer? USA is perfection in that gown. Thailand is ok but could have done without the V on the front. Venezuela and Italy are gorgeous. Philippines looks great and now I see why she won it. Even my neighbor liked it the best. Kudos to the gowns!!! (NT) -- Brothers & Sisters Resident, 21:36:50 11/20/09 Fri I can definitely see why Philippines won this round. Her gown was a showstopper and was made to make an impression. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but she stood out, in color and with that interesting train. Her hair styling was impeccable as well. As for Thailand, her presentation is very Miss Universe, she should be more subdued for Miss Earth. (NT) -- GlobalGuy, 22:21:52 11/20/09 Fri Presentation wise, what a group! My ordering 1) Spain - something so so subdued yet sexy, appealing about her. Love her profile; 2) USA - Amy looks like she wants this. I know she on the shorter side but I don't even notice all that much. She looks 10 feet tall from the neck up; 3) Thailand - sassy but not over the top. I'm not a big fan of the gown, but like USA she nails it from the neck up. 4) Philippines - she looks really comfortable on stage and her hair and movements accentuate her overall presence well. I'm not a big fan of BIG gowns, but I love how it flows behind her. I don't even notice the kazillion colors up top. 5) Brazil - just like Chanley Painter this girl just oozes sex appeal and the line and cut of the gown are just right for her. If she didn't play with her hair so much I would be at a lack of criticsm. (NT) -- FluffysD, 22:45:22 11/20/09 Fri

Subject: Miss Alabama 2010 Audrey Moore
Author: kgraphic [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:19:12 11/20/09 Fri Find more videos like this on The Loveliest Village [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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New photo of TEEN MISS ALABAMA is up now. go to www.missalabamausa.com (NT) -- kgraphic, 16:28:01 11/20/09 Fri Alabama Teen USA 2010 (NT) -- , 18:41:33 11/20/09 Fri So is Alabama ever going to crown anything but a cute blonde? They've crowned six blonde teens in a row! (NT) -- oz, 21:53:02 11/20/09 Fri like her top 15 (NT) -- catalina, 16:50:21 11/20/09 Fri Nothing special. She's got a bulbous nose (NT) -- and she says UM way too much. TX and AL are sure to tie for the overhyped award before it's all said and done., 17:58:22 11/20/09 Fri the vid does not work now (NT) -- catalina, 18:34:37 11/20/09 Fri USA -- ..., 21:02:21 11/20/09 Fri

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