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Subject: Re: Wet/Dry Vote


Author:
Greg Carlton
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Date Posted: 14:33:58 11/06/10 Sat
In reply to: Kevin McCorkindale 's message, "Wet/Dry Vote" on 09:30:03 11/06/10 Sat

Kevin,
Today, there are many different programs available to help combat the scurge of alcoholism, whether a county is wet or dry. During the time your uncle John Shouse lived I would imagine that modern subtance abuse clinics were few and far between. To say that we can use the revenues from the sale of liquor to treat alcholism, is to me much like saying we could legalize prostitution and use the revenues from that to treat sex addiction. (By-the-way, and I kid you not, there is a billboard that was put up during the election here that say's "Let's Get Wet," Gentlemen's Club, contact Mary, and then there is a P.O. Box number.)

Don't forget there is a moral component here, also. Romans 14:21 says-- “It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak." If our actions cause another to stumble into sin, we will bear the guilt of that someday.

It is clear from my own past experiences that even as adults, no matter what we might think, when we start drinking sooner or later it can just be a matter of time before drunkeness occurs. That is an unending tightrope that those who chose to drink spend there lives on. The falling off is just a matter of time.

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Kevin McCorkindale
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Date Posted: 18:19:51 11/06/10 Sat

Preliminarily, Greg, there are many people who I have known for years who have consumed alcohol in moderation with no discernible adverse effects and, as pointed out in my previous post, recent medical research has indicated that such moderate drinking can be beneficial to a person's health.

I agree,as evidenced by my previous post, that excessive consumption of alcohol can have insidious effects on the person consuming alcohol as well as others. But if we adopt your line of reasoning, we could easily justify a prohibition on the sale of junk food and drink, which is the leading cause of childhood obesity, and which over the next 30 years will bankrupt this country due to the medical expenses that will be incurred to treat heart disease, diabetes, and other illnesses that are caused by these unhealthy diets, not to mention the misery these illnesses will cause and the premature deaths which will occur. And these are children who are consuming these foods and are therefore more deserving of our protection than adults. We also could consider imposing laws requiring every person to get a certain amount of exercise each day, since the sedentary lifestyle lead by many persons is similarly resulting in chronic health problems that are detrimental to them as well as society, with all the ramifications described above. So rather than the tightrope that you allude to, the real problem I see is the slippery slope that you are walking that taken to its logical conclusion could result in government control over many aspects of our lives. People need to be responsible for their own actions--we should not needlessly enable them but by the same token we should not unduly restrict the rights of the mass of people merely because some people cannot, for whatever reason, moderate their actions.

I disagree that the prohibition of prostitution is analogous to the prohibition of the sale of alcohol. I believe all reasonable people will agree that no act of prostitution is morally defensible. However, most reasonable people will agree that alcohol consumed in moderation by an adult is not only morally defensible but, as pointed out earlier,can be healthy. But if you beg to differ based on the quote from Romans, I direct your attention to John 2, which tells the story of the wedding in Cana when Jesus turned water into wine. That story has a special poignancy for me since my wife and I had our marriage blessed in Cana 10 years ago.

This is my last post on this subject--I will let you have the last word.

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Author:
Verlie Henderson
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Date Posted: 20:09:59 11/06/10 Sat

Greg did you also notice that the billboard was put up by the "DRY" side. Read the small print. It clearly says "Vote Dry" on the board.

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Greg Carlton
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Date Posted: 19:29:34 11/08/10 Mon

Well I guess I'll get in my last word also against the sale of alcohol.

Kevin, to use the wedding at Cana to excuse the selling of vodka, rum, tequila, Jack Daniels and the like just doesn't work.

An examination of New Testament passages shows that the Greek word "oinos" may mean either wine or grape juice, and only the context can show which (as is the case with all generic words). In Ephesians 5:18, for instance,
in the phrase, ‘And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit,’ "oinos" obviously refers to alcoholic wine…. In John 2 [when Jesus turned water into wine], we must determine which translation best fits the context, suits what is revealed in other places about the character of Jesus, and which does not contradict other Bible passages.

Wine was a basic commodity in biblical times. But there is no biblical justification for the heavy liquor traffic of modern times.

You know, Ralph Hudson fought his heart out to lead this charge against legalizing the package stores and the like in Boone County. Don Smith, whom we also went to school with was also a hard worker in the movement. But it took a stranger who has only lived twelve years in Harrison and who is a member of a church with a liquor license to adversly affect the character of this community which has maintained a decent lifestyle for most for the majority of my lifetime. When the vote was finally in, almost split evenly by-the-way, Harrison-- honored by several publications over the years as one of best places to live-in my opinion took a step backward. Those who wished Harrison wet are safe now in their desires. I doubt it will ever turn back.

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Author:
Becky Stobaugh Waldo
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Date Posted: 20:01:33 11/09/10 Tue

Interesting conversation here. All I have to say is that if someone wants to drink they will. You will not stop it from having a dry county. I do not drink and haven't in many years, but everyone has some vice. It is good to know we have a forgiving God.

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Eddie Snow
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Date Posted: 20:48:32 11/30/10 Tue

I agree with Becky, well said.

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Kevin McCorkindale
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Date Posted: 17:14:26 11/10/10 Wed

I know that you, Ralph and many others who agree with your position feel sincerely about this issue but do not resign yourselves to the proposition that Harrison will become a less desirable place to live as a result of this vote. Even though I have not lived in Harrison since the 1970's, I have visited often while my dad was still living. Harrison is a special place for several reasons, but the primary reason is the people who live there. That will not change. Consequently, I have no reason to believe that Harrison will change for the worse as a result of this vote.

Maybe next time we can talk about something not as polarizing, like the fall colors in Harrison, hiking around the Harrison area, or the old times.

Take care.

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Greg Carlton
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Date Posted: 14:36:12 11/11/10 Thu

Kevin, it reminds me of the time that you and I went back and forth in the Forest Heights spelling bee for what seemed forever. I finally became really tired and fumbled in an attempt to spell the word "grease." I think that I spelled it "greese." I remember walking down the hall despondent, and hearing Mrs. Tatum in her third grade class making all of the students spell "grease." But, I kept my head up, walking down the hall to go outside and clean the erasers.

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Author:
Greg Carlton
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Date Posted: 20:19:02 11/11/10 Thu

Just to clear something up here,I talked to an employee of the sign company who put up the sign that read "Let's Get Wet"(with the outline of a martini glass in the background)that continues with the line "Bottoms Up" Gentlemens Club, contact Mary--with an address.) "Bottoms Up" is an obvious sexual reference as well as an image of people turning the glasses up while imbibing alcohol. My friend who works for the sign company talked with Tiffany, the designer of the sign who could barely stand to draw it out, given all of it's demeaning references, especially to women. The designer was vehement that she didn't put vote dry on the sign, as well as my friend who drove by and took a second look yesterday just to make sure this rumor has no merit. I myself have glanced at it four or five times, out of exasperation, and never noticed any "vote dry" designation on the sign. The only reason that I could see someone would slip "vote dry" on the sign would be that sombody
believed the advertisment was a good reason to vote dry.

I know something about the person who paid for this sign to be put up, and their goal was if they received enough applicants that they good indeed start the afor named Gentlemen's Club somewhere in the area once the county became wet.

Some have even called me telling me that Ralph Hudson had the sign put up. Yeah, right!

If people would quit trying to see things that they want to see to excuse their opposing point of view maybe we could read the handwriting on the wall and see the possible domino effect making Boone County wet can have.

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