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Subject: Has your state's First Runner up won a new local in order to return to state competition? Did she age out? Or has she given up? Author: No name [Edit] Date Posted: 18:31:26 11/05/09 Thu Replies: Texas 1st RU was Danae Couch and she hasn't won a local to date. (NT) -- Gary, 18:35:40 11/05/09 Thu NJ: Ashleigh U won one of the first locals of the season (NT) -- :), 18:38:52 11/05/09 Thu California, I hope Jenna Harvey is coming back to compete in a local, beautiful lady (NT) -- Jenna for Miss California, 18:42:53 11/05/09 Thu Frankly, Jenna got lucky. (NT) -- ., 16:23:36 11/08/09 Sun agree. she got judges who don't know piano! (NT) -- concert-level pianist, 20:59:15 11/09/09 Mon That's mean. Jenna is a sweetheart. (NT) -- No name, 21:24:34 11/09/09 Mon Well concert level pianist you are rude Jenna plays beautifully, just maybe you are alittle jealous of her I don't know. But stop being rude . (NT) -- maybe you need lessons from her, 23:11:26 11/09/09 Mon Hey, I agree that Jenna is truly California's Sweetheart in all senses of the word. I'm just telling you--from experience in piano and this program--it doesn't cut it. Go youtube Evgeny Kissin and you will see how Revoluionary Etude is supposed to sound. Jenna's a great performer, but she needs to work on technique, plain and simple. Not a slam against Jenna, just honestly, to the classically trained ear, it didn't sound too hot. (NT) -- and I'm not joking about being concert-level, by the way..., 20:22:47 11/10/09 Tue Then she must get judges who don't know piano all the time, since they loved her at Miss CA AND she won prelim talent and was 2nd runner up at National Sweetheart. Jenna didn't get lucky-- she's talented, beautiful, and sweet. (NT) -- If you can't say something nice...., 10:37:23 11/10/09 Tue Jena is a very nice girl, but she cannot play the piano! It is a 4 at best! (NT) -- Samtheman, 20:07:04 11/15/09 Sun I agree mostly--I'd give her 5 or 6--but she is a very sweet young woman with a commanding presence. (NT) -- No name, 19:42:50 11/16/09 Mon Danae Couch hasn't competed yet - it's kind of hard to win unless you compete first. she may be busy or waiting for the right local (NT) -- No name, 20:56:51 11/05/09 Thu She is a feature twirler for Baylor football season is probably not her best easiest time to fit in local competition! (NT) -- No name, 08:47:01 11/07/09 Sat I hear Danae will do Plano/Frisco pageant on Dec. 5. Meanwhile, last year's 2nd runner-up Ashley Melnick won Fort Worth tonight. I don't think 3rd and 4th runners-up will compete this year. (NT) -- No name, 23:11:38 11/07/09 Sat Faith just got engaged. Kathryn is supposedly returning for Plano/Frisco. (NT) -- No name, 16:54:55 11/18/09 Wed Hawaii--last year's and also the year before 1st RU both returning. -- ., 18:46:08 11/05/09 Thu I hope the singer who was 3rd RU this year is returning. Don't care too much for the others. (NT) -- No name, 05:44:06 11/15/09 Sun NE-I believe is competing in Omaha in a couple of weeks. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:23 11/05/09 Thu NE won at a local in Omaha (NT) -- No name, 13:15:50 11/17/09 Tue DE's Carly Economos won the 1st DE local - Miss Newark (NT) -- No name, 19:00:34 11/05/09 Thu It's kind of a bummer that she won the very first local. I think some of the past contestants are dropping out because they don't want to compete against her. Carly is a very strong competitor and will be up there this year but I hate to see other girls giving up. At the end of the day it just depends on who the judges fall in love with. (NT) -- would love to see all of our girls back, 10:46:53 11/16/09 Mon That is ashame. Carly's a great girl, but with final ballot, are you using that? you never know, not to mention sometimes people have bad days who are good when people who are weaker may have a great day. (NT) -- Never know........, 10:27:28 11/18/09 Wed We do use the final ballot. And you are so right. You just never know. I don't think there is such a thing as a shoe-in in this pageant system. (NT) -- may the most deserving contestant win, 11:22:10 11/24/09 Tue I hope Kayla comes back because with the right set of judges she could blow everyone away. (NT) -- love all DE girls, 11:23:38 11/24/09 Tue Ky: Has anyone heard if Janelle is planning on returning? (NT) -- No name, 19:06:34 11/05/09 Thu Becky Minger won her local in Ohio just this past weekend to return next June to Miss Ohio. (NT) -- Fingers crossed for her in 2010!!, 19:08:01 11/05/09 Thu I don't know what she'll do if she doesn't win this year.. her local ED only has three titles.. and she's on her third round with them, now. She'd have to find a new director next year! (NT) -- No name, 12:36:10 11/06/09 Fri She'll just rotate back through the titles. (NT) -- No name, 20:21:12 11/08/09 Sun . (NT) -- fan, 08:03:32 11/15/09 Sun Becky could win any local she enters...she is ready for Miss America (NT) -- No name, 12:51:04 11/06/09 Fri Agreed, Becky will do a great job. (NT) -- No name, 09:26:06 11/09/09 Mon It depends on the judges but I don't think she will be a shoe in. (NT) -- No name, 09:53:06 11/10/09 Tue Becky should have won the first time she was runner up. Instead we got the bleached-out disco dancer with no lips. (NT) -- No name, 05:45:56 11/15/09 Sun I don't think she is a shoe in. I agree she was at her best the first year she competed and was first runnerup. She was beautiful, at a perfect weight and fresh. She has become patty over time. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:15 11/17/09 Tue Wow I was thinking the same thing! I honestly think that she may always just be 1 st runner up which isn't a bad thing. Look at how much scholarship money she has won. But she has become to much like a robot and patty since her first year. She was very fresh and beautiful physically then. She should have beaten Melanie. I think that year she was weak in interview which probably held her back. (NT) -- My thoughts, 10:10:44 11/18/09 Wed Becky did beat Melanie IMO, but it wasn't in "the cards" for her. I also think that Becky was sensational last year at Miss Ohio and could have easily seen her walking away with the title - I was actually a bit surprised she didn't. I really think this is her year. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:12 11/24/09 Tue NH - the 1st runner up won the Miss Greater Plaistow pageant last month. (NT) -- No name, 19:10:43 11/05/09 Thu On the left: (NT) -- No name, 10:20:53 11/10/09 Tue she is amazing. i think she is our next Miss NH. (NT) -- No name, 15:07:03 11/10/09 Tue I have no doubt that Meghan will be the next Miss NH. She was great as our Miss Outstanding Teen (NT) -- love her, 13:52:36 11/12/09 Thu Meghan is so beautiful we in VA wish her well (NT) -- VA loves Meghan, 14:59:27 11/12/09 Thu The girl in blue looks like a state title holder. Is she Meghan? (NT) -- No name, 06:49:27 11/13/09 Fri Yes (NT) -- No name, 12:21:30 11/14/09 Sat It is great to see Meghan in this picture. You can see the maturity in her posture and smile. She has grown into a sophisticated woman. I think i for one would be thrilled to call her our next Miss NH (NT) -- like Lindsey, Meghan has grown, 11:23:31 11/15/09 Sun VA's 1st RU, Shannon Beam is competing for the title of Miss Apple Blossom Festival this weekend. (NT) -- ..., 21:35:26 11/05/09 Thu Shannon just won Miss Apple Blossom Festival. (NT) -- Congrats!, 22:07:13 11/07/09 Sat OK - Kim Hulsey won her local just 2-3 weeks ago. She'll be back. (NT) -- Oklahoma fan, 22:41:46 11/05/09 Thu Idaho - Amanda Richey is the new Miss Boise and will compete in the state pageant in June. This is her year to win the state title! (NT) -- No name, 22:47:40 11/05/09 Thu WV's 08 1st RU has won a local but no other locals have happened for '09 1st RU to compete in... do expect to see her for sure (NT) -- WV Watcher, 11:04:13 11/06/09 Fri she WILL win it this year! (NT) -- peggy, 18:37:53 11/09/09 Mon Sadly, our state's 1RU, Mary King, couldn't have a title by now if she wanted one. The 2010 competition season hasn't even begun yet in Maryland. (NT) -- Marylander, 11:50:55 11/06/09 Fri OR: our !st RU finally aged out (NT) -- No name, 13:29:09 11/06/09 Fri Are you for real??? (NT) -- No name, 23:18:03 11/12/09 Thu GA's first ru, Briana J, has competed, placed top 5, but has not won, yet. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:11 11/06/09 Fri GA- I heard that Briana J. will be competing again after the new year. There are several more pageants left in GA. (NT) -- No name, 12:29:07 11/24/09 Tue TN - Cyrena Wages is supposedly taking at least a year off before competing again (NT) -- No name, 15:17:30 11/06/09 Fri Why were my nice comments about Cyrena deleted? (NT) -- No name, 11:55:49 11/09/09 Mon Post it again as an answer to the OP's message. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:13 11/09/09 Mon Alexis Le (NT) -- No name, 16:09:43 11/06/09 Fri Oops - hit "enter" by accident. Alexis LeVan from SD hasn't competed again yet. I think everyone really hopes that she does - SD deserves a rep like her! (NT) -- No name, 16:10:34 11/06/09 Fri Didn't she age out? (NT) -- No name, 18:01:23 11/06/09 Fri She has 1 year left. (NT) -- No name, 10:31:49 11/07/09 Sat PA - Our first runner up, Courtney Thomas, is competing at a closed title (Miss Philadelphia) in March. She would make a wonderful Miss Philadelphia, and Miss Pennsylvania! (NT) -- PA Fan, 16:14:05 11/06/09 Fri PA - There are going to be some tough competitors at Miss Philadelphia to give CT a run for her money! (NT) -- wait and see, 11:23:15 11/08/09 Sun I saw Courtney at Sweetheart and she has tremendous potential. She would win hands down in our state and seems like a very sweet girl. I would love to see her at Miss America next year (NT) -- Southern Gent, 12:11:40 11/08/09 Sun She's going to wait that long? Isn't Miss Philly the last pageant of the season? (NT) -- No name, 14:36:04 11/08/09 Sun There are regional pageants afterwards, but the scholarship would sure be worth it (NT) -- No name, 14:43:32 11/08/09 Sun Courtney attends Drexel. If she were to win Miss Philly, she would recieve a $20,000 scholarship (10k from Miss Philly Org. and Drexel matches it). Even if she were to lose (which is doubtful) she would easily win a regional. A shot at the kind of money is more than worth the risk. (NT) -- Courtney for Miss Philly!, 14:50:36 11/08/09 Sun Shauna Rice, 2nd RU will win this year (NT) -- mark my words, 14:29:49 11/10/09 Tue Yeah, only because they know how amazing Courtney will be at Miss America as she gets older. She's like their new pet. Courtney will be ready to win this year, but If Shauna would happen to win, then she's taking one for the team so that the all-amazing Chet can continue to groom CT for Miss America. (NT) -- Mark MY words, 16:22:59 11/10/09 Tue i didn't know chet was grooming CT for miss pa/miss a? (NT) -- am i missing something, 19:43:20 11/10/09 Tue I hope that they aren't still playing those stupid games anywhere ("give her a few years"). That's why all of the great girls wind-up at Stepford Wives. Young and fresh as Miss America! (NT) -- No name, 07:18:39 11/13/09 Fri If Shannon wins Miss America, will Courtney accept the Miss PA title? (NT) -- wondering, 11:58:06 11/24/09 Tue SC - our 1st runner-up aged out unfortunately (NT) -- Liz was a great competitor, 16:46:17 11/06/09 Fri That has to be so sad & frustrating to be the 1st runner-up and age out :( (NT) -- No name, 16:50:14 11/06/09 Fri Yes, so sad! (NT) -- No name, 09:33:56 11/07/09 Sat Poster is speaking of Liz Tate, this year's 1st RU (NT) -- No name, 08:10:25 11/08/09 Sun , (NT) -- No name, 01:00:53 11/19/09 Thu CT - 1st RU 2009, Marie Lynn Picatelli has unfortunately aged out. She is beautiful! We all wish her the best at Miss CT USA, if she decides to compete. (NT) -- MLP Fan, 18:00:56 11/06/09 Fri I sure hope NC's 1st runner up comes back and competes--gorgeous and talllllllll... (NT) -- No name, 18:14:53 11/06/09 Fri She will begin to compete once she relinquishes current title. Wish NC would release them all after state. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:30 11/07/09 Sat I hope she competes also, but she is NOT tall.... She is about 5'7'' or 5'8'' I would guess.... I am sure she is planning to compete in the Harnett Co pageant since she is originally from that area I believe. Her current ED as Miss Fayetteville is also going to be the new ED for Harnett Co, which may raise some eyebrows since it is a brand new preliminary that was created and set later than her relinquishment date. (NT) -- UNC Gurl, 21:53:25 11/09/09 Mon Oh, I recall seeing a photo of the top 5 and she just looked tall--maybe just taller than the other girls. Anyway, she's gorgeous and willowy...LOL. I agree that NC should allow girls to compete for another local title before they relinquish their current one--many, many states do and NC used to. I think we'd be much more competitive on the state level and, yes, maybe some eyebrows wouldn't be raised if some of these rules were done away with. And I also think a girl should be able to hold the same local title more than once, just not in consecutive years. With numbers down, too many rules make it even more difficult to draw contestants in. (NT) -- No name, 10:59:09 11/10/09 Tue I think she is doing Miss Raleigh (NT) -- No name, 01:19:15 11/19/09 Thu MI - not yet but assuming will soon. (NT) -- No name, 20:32:40 11/06/09 Fri I doubt it, she shouldn't have been the first runner-up. Nice, funny kid but that's just it-a kid. She shouldn't have made top 5 much less 1st runner-up. (NT) -- No name, 08:18:10 11/09/09 Mon No "kid" could have accomplished all she has done for her platform and in her life. Just because she doesn't fit the stereotype doesn't mean she shouldn't have been 1st runner up. She deserved it. (NT) -- No name, 09:10:57 11/09/09 Mon She'll make a title though. I think the only title she is going for this year is Capital City and we all know she'll get that one. Not to take away from her platform. Her platform is wonderful and she truly has lived it. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:53 11/09/09 Mon Yes, she has lived her platform and that's wonderful. She really is a great kid but.....not that she doesn't "fit the type" she just is way to immature to be a Miss State or Miss America. She needs to do what she does best, work her platform. We all know that once you win a State or National there is way more to the job than platform. I just don't seek Katie fulfilling that part of the job. Love her care free spirit but....... (NT) -- No name, 14:23:34 11/09/09 Mon Anyone who thinks Katie is immature either doesn't know her or views her as a threat. (NT) -- No name, 15:13:46 11/10/09 Tue First of all, I'm 50 years old and overweight, my pageant days not only never happened they would be way over if they had happened. You are apparently getting me all wrong. I truely enjoy Katie and really enjoyed watching her. It's just when ever I saw her off the stage she is very silly (maybe immature is the wrong word). She is overboard silly. Don't get me wrong, she's fun but just too silly for a State crown (position) in my opinion. I'm not bashing her in any way, I just don't think she is a Kirsten, Ashley or Nicole. Just not refined enough, again in my opinion. (NT) -- No name, 15:24:11 11/10/09 Tue Haha - I'm getting ready to join your five-oh club! I think her silliness around the girls is a way to keep things in perspective and fun in a pressure filled week. Katie can be refined in the right situations. If she does have the opportunity to wear the state crown someday, you will not be disappointed. (NT) -- No name, 16:11:39 11/10/09 Tue Katie just really needs to own the fact that she's a beauty queen, and focus on carrying herself with confidence and focus rather than making herself Miss Congeniality. She's got to stop playing the role of the tomboy turned queen, and start representing what she has to offer through her confidence. (NT) -- No name, 15:45:12 11/16/09 Mon Don't you think it's a little unfair to the other girls in the Capital City Pageant, and Katie, to say "we all know she'll get that crown"? That's unfair to the other girls and puts a lot of pressure on Katie. (NT) -- No name, 15:26:40 11/10/09 Tue Yeah I was wondering how the person knew who was going to win when the pageant hasnt even happened! Please enlighten us! (NT) -- No name, 16:29:08 11/10/09 Tue On an anonymous board, everyone can be an "expert" or "in the know!" Cap City will be a great pageant - lots of great girls! (NT) -- No name, 17:07:03 11/10/09 Tue The way we already know is that the State ED wants her. Enough said. (NT) -- No name, 07:57:15 11/13/09 Fri Please further elaborate on what you are saying. I am considering competing in the Michigan program and dont want to be involved if you are SURE that the State ED already has picked out winners. Give us proof, no more of this random "She wants her" crap. (NT) -- No name, 11:04:33 11/13/09 Fri Oh, puhleese. Even if it were the case the ED wanted her, no guarantee it would happen. Sheesh. (NT) -- No name, 00:37:18 11/15/09 Sun If Katie is not your winner, who do you think would make a good Miss Cap for Michigan? (NT) -- No name, 08:57:13 11/15/09 Sun If I had to vote, knowing almost all of these girls, I'd pick Elizabeth, Mekeisha, or maybe Cameron. Cameron is a lovely girl, quite smart, and Mekeisha just needs a new talent and a little polishing. Elizabeth is gorgeous, too, and just needs someone to really bring her out of her shell and into a more "Miss" attitude. All three have the grace, platform work, and beauty I'd like to see, as well as the potential to really grow with the Miss Cap board's guidance. (NT) -- No name, 15:41:36 11/16/09 Mon If you want to compete, I say do it! and show them why you deserve to win- no one is "guaranteed" a win, and plenty of girls go from 1RU to 1RU again or other placement, though some do come back to win the next year. Don't worry about everyone else in the pageant, worry about yourself- have fun, do the best you can, learn something, grow from the experience, and make a few great friends along the way! (NT) -- No name, 13:54:54 11/15/09 Sun She really needs to learn how to smile without grimacing. (NT) -- No name, 12:36:28 11/15/09 Sun Katie is Miss Cap City. (NT) -- No name, 10:02:37 11/24/09 Tue Well, aren't we all shocked. I think you were all told that she was "going to win" and she did. Now who has egg on their face? Don't know why they even had the pageant, why didn't they just give her the crown. Not that she isn't a great kid, she is and it's too bad that the negative posts seem to be about her. They aren't, they are about the system. Katie really is a great kid. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:46 11/24/09 Tue The only negative posts are yours. I'm sorry your daughter has to compete against Katie next year. (NT) -- Give it a rest, 12:42:20 11/24/09 Tue AL- First Runner Up Aged Out but would have been a great winner if she could have come back (NT) -- No name, 22:05:51 11/06/09 Fri Shannon Beam just won Miss Apple Blossom tonight! Our next Miss Virginia! (NT) -- Queen Bee, 22:46:28 11/07/09 Sat And Miss America 2011. (NT) -- No name, 17:41:45 11/08/09 Sun [IMG]http://i33.tinypic.com/f0yntf.jpg[/IMG] (NT) -- There she is, 23:31:38 11/08/09 Sun http://www.pbase.com/nikonbuff/2010missappleblossom&page=1 (NT) -- more photos from apple blossom pageant, 06:02:34 11/09/09 Mon I think Shannon Beam looks a lot like miss connecticuit. (NT) -- No name, 10:05:39 11/09/09 Mon I'm sorry but this girl does not look like she is remotely close to the age of 24! She looks like someone who was crowned Mrs. America! -- IVANA B. ASTAR, 12:36:39 11/09/09 Mon That's what happens when you've been competing since 2005; it starts to wear you down. (NT) -- Nice girl though., 12:53:52 11/09/09 Mon LOL are you kidding, in person she looks like a teenager. (NT) -- actually laughing :), 13:21:55 11/09/09 Mon Yes, a teenager that looks old! (NT) -- lol, 18:42:26 11/09/09 Mon She looks too plastic and old. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:18 11/09/09 Mon I think she is darling, but yes, she does look more 30ish than 20ish! (NT) -- !, 20:34:49 11/09/09 Mon She should NEVER wear yellow. Too monotoned. Always go across the color wheel for complementary colors. (NT) -- pretty girls both, wrong color one, 22:35:57 11/09/09 Mon I think Shannon Beam is just beautiful. I could look at her for hours. (NT) -- No name, 10:25:54 11/09/09 Mon It's nice to see a girl reusing a beautiful gown instead of buying a new expensive on each time. It is about scholarship money, right? (NT) -- Marisol, 11:20:48 11/09/09 Mon GO SHANNON! (NT) -- !!!!!!!, 11:29:18 11/09/09 Mon This is hilarious! Yes, she spends $3000 on a gown every year and then wears it a few times! Definitely saving money! hahahah (NT) -- No name, 12:48:47 11/09/09 Mon Uze is the one I could look at forever! Beautiful girl inside and out! (NT) -- : ), 13:01:50 11/09/09 Mon I agree with the poster above. Uze is gorgeous. Is she coming back? Shannon looks older than 24 and is too robotic. Just not feeling her. tired of seeing her (NT) -- No name, 13:46:02 11/09/09 Mon Oh please. It's called winning good locals that have amazing prep teams and a wardrobe allowance. I happen to know that Shannon and her family don't have that sort of money to spend, and that her yellow gown was bought at a discounted price and her black gown from the year before was secondhand. (NT) -- Stop trying to pretend like you know everything., 13:09:36 11/09/09 Mon You can never post an honest opinion that isn't going to crush mommy but she is really boring and kind of plain. The hair looks a little yellow to me too. (NT) -- nah, 14:07:03 11/09/09 Mon I think she's beautiful too. And looks like she's upset some people by doing so well. Keep up the good work Shannon and best of luck at Miss Virginia. (NT) -- Not from VA but a fan, 14:15:10 11/09/09 Mon These could be the last two at Miss Virginia this year.... (NT) -- No name, 23:17:34 11/09/09 Mon no she looks like that girl who used to be on Full House (NT) -- No name, 08:58:08 11/10/09 Tue And so, the ridiculous over hyping begins. We'll hear it AD NAUSEUM for the next 9 months. She hasn't even won Miss VA yet, and already her hypers are calling her Miss America 2011. (NT) -- No name, 19:36:19 11/09/09 Mon Don't worry, it will be over after Miss VA accept for the bitterness because she won't win. (NT) -- just pass on by because they won't stop, not much class in that bunch, 20:55:10 11/09/09 Mon Playing devils advocate here; The judges keep rewarding her with wins so, is she not worthy of this hype? (NT) -- She is not my favorite to win Miss VA but her record speaks for itself don't you think?, 08:32:22 11/10/09 Tue No. I just think Virginia has become extremely boring and uncompetitive. Don't see her winning this year, but not sure who should win over her. That's how boring it is. Nail in the coffin to the program. (NT) -- va gal, 08:35:29 11/10/09 Tue Hey va gal, why don't you move? Or better yet, find someone who you think is better! (NT) -- you and your comments are what is boring, 09:09:02 11/10/09 Tue I disagree completely that VA is not competitive. Just this year VA had 3 girls that were brand new to the top 5 - one of which won a runner up pageant just to make it to State. 2 girls that had been in the top 5 the previous year didn't make it last year. Then, the 1st runner up to Miss Virginia (Shannon) won National Sweetheart. And yes, Sweetheart doesn't have every state and it's everyone's 1st, 2nd, 3rd runner ups, etc. but it still proves a little bit of competitiveness to do well there - let alone win. I disagree completely that VA has become uncompetitive. If anything, girls have been rising to the occasion and improving themselves from year to year. No one is a shoe in for the title, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see someone that was at the local Shannon just won to win over her at State - or Uze to leapfrog her this year. (NT) -- Disagree, 10:18:33 11/10/09 Tue Shannon & Caitlin could definitely be the last two standing.....Lindsay Morris will be up there too, she's so fresh! (NT) -- ...., 10:30:09 11/10/09 Tue My point is that 8 years ago, heck, even five years ago, many of these 'top girls' would have been clappers. VA is not nearly as competitive as it used to be. This past year was the biggest example. Starting from the first night of competition, everyone knew Caressa was going to win. There was no contest. Even the 1st runner up was still nowhere close to her level and it just all seemed anticlimatic to me. (NT) -- va gal and I'm staying right here in the Commonwealth, 21:26:56 11/10/09 Tue It's the same way in my state (OH) this year as well as last. Other than one or two decent girls, there just isn't anything left. So the state competition is really just about which of the two will win. I agree that it's looking like the nail in the coffin. (NT) -- No name, 10:47:13 11/10/09 Tue I could name 3 girls that could beat her at state: Stephanie C., Caitlin U., and Lindsay M. And if Brittany Young was returning, that would make 4. (NT) -- IMHO, 11:07:42 11/10/09 Tue A friend loaned me the VA DVD to watch. I love the Morris girl reactions, she was so much fun to watch. Thought Uze was just beautiful and I liked the Smith girl as well. (NT) -- I didn't see anything boring about VA, 12:40:36 11/10/09 Tue Out of these I'd say maybe Connelly. The others have weakness either in SS or Talent, and I just think Uze & Morris could use another year first, just a maturity thing. (NT) -- mho, 12:53:02 11/10/09 Tue I agree somewhat but I just don't get the spark from Connelly like I do from the others. I think with minor adjustments they could do very well. (NT) -- jmho, 13:27:30 11/10/09 Tue Is the baton twirler who was 4th RU to Caressa coming back? She has potential. (NT) -- ..., 13:41:25 11/10/09 Tue I don't buy that "needing another year maturity" theory at all. Some of these girls that compete, who are younger, are very mature for their age, have resumes that could choke some of us adults, are very worldly and knowledgeable. That's what makes them so special. Wise beyond their years short of thing. (NT) -- Sorry, just don't agree with that statement, too old school for me., 15:15:02 11/10/09 Tue **sort** (NT) -- correction, 15:49:59 11/10/09 Tue The only reason Beam is even mentioned on this board is because she was National Sweetheart. Now her minute of fame is over and it is time to move along. (NT) -- No name, 22:20:45 11/10/09 Tue I don't necessarily believe that, she has been competing, in both MD and VA, since she was about 17, as far as I know. She has worked her way up, gained attention...and respect. National Sweetheart was just one of her accomplishments along her pageant path. (NT) -- IMO, 13:03:55 11/12/09 Thu I will never understand what you people think is so great about a pageant with some girls who coudn't get it done at state is such a big deal. It's not even all the wannabe's from every state. It means nothing, accept maybe the judges who are usually nowhere near an acceptional group think you are the best choice out of a bunch of also rans. (NT) -- ?, 22:01:53 11/14/09 Sat I personally believe that at any state pageant ANY of the top five could have just as easily have been the winner. It all comes down to who the judges are and what their beliefs are on that specific date in time. First runner-ups could easily have taken the crown. (NT) -- ...Just a breath away...., 11:16:17 11/15/09 Sun YAY Shannon! (NT) -- Ohio fan, 11:19:58 11/09/09 Mon Thanks Minger (NT) -- No name, 09:53:39 11/10/09 Tue Yeah because Minger's the only person who lives in Ohio. You people are starting to appear really desperate with all of these petty posts. (NT) -- No name, 10:07:53 11/10/09 Tue NOT TRUE! My co-workers family lives in Ohio. Minger is not the only person in the state of Ohio. (NT) -- clearing things up!, 14:40:37 11/10/09 Tue IL- Corina has not competed yet but she is still eligible. (NT) -- No name, 23:26:24 11/07/09 Sat I hope Corina competes again. I think she is smart, talented and has a great personality! (NT) -- No name, 23:05:00 11/12/09 Thu Does that mean she isn't a beauty? (NT) -- No name, 08:10:57 11/13/09 Fri She is DEFINITELY a beauty!!! She is very pretty! (NT) -- No name, 01:16:54 11/19/09 Thu MS- Danielle Smith won a local Saturday night. (NT) -- No name, 02:40:46 11/08/09 Sun Yes she won Miss Mid South. (NT) -- No name, 11:11:36 11/08/09 Sun She will win Miss Mississippi in July 2010 easily. I think she is ready and MS is redy for another minority winner. (NT) -- No name, 17:40:48 11/08/09 Sun Actually I think MS is wide open. Certainly she will be one of the favorites but MS but think she will have some very tough competiton. (NT) -- No name, 01:41:17 11/09/09 Mon She is easily one of the most beautiful blacks to ever compete in MS but I hate you had to qualify your comment with "MS is ready for another minority winner". MS should be ready for any winner, black or white. (NT) -- No name, 09:07:59 11/09/09 Mon Last year people said Mississippi was NOT ready for another minority winner so I said this year they are. They should be ready every year for whoever. (NT) -- No name, 09:46:57 11/09/09 Mon I hope that she softens herself a little before returning. She looks old enough to be a contestant's mother. Her makeup and hair are to blame. She's a beautiful woman but much too harsh looking. (NT) -- No name, 11:19:11 11/09/09 Mon Ugh. Danielle hype already? She's a pill and didn't even place in Sweetheart? Why in the heck do you think she'll win Miss MS? Spare me. (NT) -- No name, 23:29:11 11/14/09 Sat I saw Danielle compete when she was a teen and she was amazing then. I can just imagine what a beautiful person she has become. Would love to see her win! She has a great personality as well. (NT) -- No name, 10:27:51 11/09/09 Mon Minnesota = ? (NT) -- No name, 22:10:14 11/08/09 Sun Kristina Janolo, Florida's 1st runner up, was crowned Miss Apopka last night. (NT) -- No name, 22:23:01 11/08/09 Sun NC's 1st runner up will not be eligible to compete until January or February. She has to wait until she gives up her title from the previous year before she can begin to compete. However, I do think she will definitely win a prelim and be back on the stage in Raleigh. (NT) -- No name, 11:41:47 11/09/09 Mon According to the rules she can compete now if she gets permission from her current ED............ (NT) -- No name, 11:17:06 11/10/09 Tue Not sure what rules you are reading, but she is not eligible to compete until she gives up her title. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:47 11/12/09 Thu Sorry hit enter too soon.....ED cannot approve for her to compete, releases come from the state level and there is no reason for one in this case. (NT) -- No name, 15:07:15 11/12/09 Thu You are misinformed. How in the world do you think the girls who win prelims at the end of the season can go back if there are no prelims held AFTER they give up their title. There would always be some girls who didn't give up their title in time to qualify for another pageant if what you're saying was really true (which it's not). If a local director 'releases' his/her contestant, she can compete for another title as long as the Miss State competition is over and the director is willing to do so. Happens ALL THETIME in my state. (NT) -- No name, 23:31:55 11/14/09 Sat Sorry, but it doesn't happen like that in NC. Spivey's Corner, an open pageant in NC, has traditionally been the last pageant of the season (this year another is after it). Everyone knows the winner of that pageant is unable to compete in a different pageant UNLESS the state board holds a "sweeps" type pageant, which they are this year. The board has actually done that the last couple of years, so that's the only pageant those girls who give up titles last can enter. EDs do not release titleholders to compete in other pageants. (NT) -- No name, 08:20:57 11/15/09 Sun Miss NC does not allow the girls to compete until they have given up their title. They hold them to it. (NT) -- No name, 08:28:23 11/15/09 Sun NC's 1st runner up will give her title up in January and you better believe she will compete in March for Miss Harnett County or Miss Cape Fear...these pageants have the same ED as Miss Fayetteville, which is who she is now....1st runner up at state, who wouldn't create a title for her..... (NT) -- No name, 16:17:51 11/10/09 Tue These are not new titles so nothing was created. These titles are returning since they have finally been picked back up. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:53 11/12/09 Thu And don't bet on Adrienne waiting until the very end of the season to begin to compete again. She wants to go back to state and certainly understands that she has to earn that right; therefore, she would not put all of her eggs into one basket. She would love to represent Harnett County but I assure you that if she is in that one it will mean she did not win a prelim that was held earlier that she was qualified to do. (NT) -- No name, 19:34:02 11/15/09 Sun which prelim would that be? (NT) -- No name, 20:43:29 11/15/09 Sun Central Carolina is in Feb and Raleigh is March 6, both of which would be before Harnett or Cape Fear, so maybe the poster is referring to one/both of those. (NT) -- No name, 18:39:38 11/16/09 Mon Think she is also eligible for Johnston County (NT) -- No name, 10:04:12 11/18/09 Wed AZ - Won NATIONAL SWEETHEART PAGEANT - aged ou! Too Bad... (NT) -- az fan, 12:00:48 11/09/09 Mon I think you got the wrong year! (NT) -- No name, 14:19:32 11/09/09 Mon AZ-- 1st RU has not competed in a local pageant yet. (NT) -- ., 21:19:39 11/09/09 Mon MA doesn't allow you to recompete until you in a local unless you give your present localtitle up so we'll see what Kera does as her local is the last one in MA (NT) -- No name, 19:13:42 11/09/09 Mon Kera is competing in Miss Fall River this Saturday. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:55 11/12/09 Thu Corin Harmon competed at Fall River not Kera. Corin won interview and Miss Quequechan. Brett Bimmler won Fall River and Taylor Kinzler won Bristol County. Congratulations to the new titleholders! (NT) -- No name, 21:07:21 11/14/09 Sat Taylor Kinzler was Miss Mass Outstanding Teen last year - she was absolutely amazing! Go Taylor!! (NT) -- pageant fan, 21:51:06 11/14/09 Sat The Titleholders from Miss Fall River, Bristol County and Quequechan -- avid fan, 07:00:13 11/15/09 Sun I dont think she is? (NT) -- No name, 10:47:18 11/13/09 Fri Wisconsin's 1st runner-up, Sha Nita Rae, aged out. (NT) -- No name, 19:35:12 11/09/09 Mon Wisconsin is up for grabs this year, unless the 1st runner-up from two years ago comes back and competes again. This year she received 3rd runner-up. In recent years, the 1st runner-up placement has become sort of a curse, because when that titleholder comes back the next year, she usually just makes top ten (Michelle Deno, Alex Kealey) or places lower in the top five (Sara Thorne, Caitlin Morrall) Caitlin placed 1st runner-up to Tina Sauerhammer, then came back the next year and was 3rd runner-up to Molly McGrath. She came back once more and was 1st runner-up to Meghan Coffey and then went on to win Miss WI USA. (NT) -- Wi fan, 01:05:27 11/15/09 Sun summary of what's posted so far by state - click in -- No name, 21:04:05 11/09/09 Mon LA's 1RU was 1RU at Shreveport, but most of the big locals don't happen until after the first of the year. (NT) -- No name, 00:41:18 11/10/09 Tue Hope Anderson just won Miss Monroe!" Hope" to see her on the Miss America stage next year! (NT) -- No name, 23:25:40 11/14/09 Sat sorry, won't happen. too many teens moving up. heck, hope couldn't place at sweetheart...boring, boring, boring. (NT) -- needs LOTS of work, 12:17:23 11/15/09 Sun Hope is far from boring-- she is classic and sweet. She is a laid-back contestant, but she is talented and beautiful. I think Hope can be the next Miss LA if she devotes this year to having the best swimsuit body she's ever had and works on projecting a little more confidence. Hope is truly genuine and caring and would be a wonderful Miss Louisiana. (NT) -- Hope fan, 11:02:38 11/24/09 Tue KS - No Alex Miller has not competed yet! I think she is competing for Miss KS USA in December! YIPPEE! (NT) -- love my KS girls, 16:49:14 11/10/09 Tue She's not competing in December (NT) -- No name, 15:31:17 11/16/09 Mon FL- Kristina Janolo last years 1st runner-up won the first local pageant. Starting the year off strong. (NT) -- No name, 17:53:30 11/10/09 Tue Actually, Apopka was the 2nd local, and the fourth title. (NT) -- No name, 22:36:35 11/15/09 Sun IN - Not yet. (NT) -- No name, 21:27:02 11/10/09 Tue AR: hasn't even entered a prelim yet (NT) -- No name, 07:48:25 11/11/09 Wed Amy Crain will compete in, and win, Miss Northwest Arkansas after the New Year. Her current director runs that pageant, too. It's already been decided. (NT) -- No name, 13:41:42 11/12/09 Thu You do not know what you are talking about...NW is December 12th and nothing has been decided. Just another Arkansas FOOL! (NT) -- Pull your head out....., 21:25:07 11/12/09 Thu Right. First of all, Northwest is not "after the New Year," it's in December, as the above poster mentioned. Second, Amy is more than likely sitting out this year. But if she doesn't sit out, she will win a prelim because she is good, not because anything is "decided." (NT) -- ...of the sand., 23:31:46 11/12/09 Thu I think they said that because it's usually after the New Year. (NT) -- No name, 02:05:45 11/13/09 Fri Amy Crain will do great in whatever prelim she decides to do. I have heard that she is maybe sitting out a year. She is young so that may be best but more power to her if she competes againg this year. She is a very sweet girl! (NT) -- No name, 19:52:31 11/14/09 Sat Iowa: Not sure Jenny Neal has won a local yet, but I am sure she will if she enters. She will more than likely be the next Miss Iowa. (NT) -- No name, 07:40:10 11/15/09 Sun Louisiana first runner-up -- No name, 14:30:22 11/15/09 Sun NY - NYC locals don't start until March (NT) -- I don't know if Inga is competing or if she has aged out, 18:32:11 11/15/09 Sun Inga has one more year. (NT) -- CGL, 10:02:03 11/18/09 Wed was she good in sweetheart? (NT) -- NJ, 03:40:11 11/24/09 Tue Inga was great in Sweetheart. Refreshing and different. I would suggest a different evening gown for her, as hers was pretty but perhaps not great for stage. Inga is very smart and also won interview in her group. (NT) -- Go Inga!, 11:05:02 11/24/09 Tue Nebraska - Devin Howell won Miss Omaha last night. (NT) -- No name, 22:44:30 11/15/09 Sun I adore Devin! I really hope she takes it this year. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:51 11/16/09 Mon

Subject: Miss America "Loser" Author: No name [Edit] Date Posted: 14:29:04 11/20/09 Fri Who is the alltime biggest Miss America loser? This would be the girl who the majority of people were convinced was going to win that year but failed to or maybe even failed to place. It's not even the "most hyped" girl (as we know personal favortism plays into that. This would be the contestant that everyone assumed was going to win (whether they really wanted her to or not.) For pageant oldtimers please also list contestants before the internet age. My own personal choice that comes to mind is Shilah Phillips. Even though I've never met her nor am I from TX I was convinced when I saw the video of TX that she was the next Miss America. But anyway, you get the idea. And please be nice and don't bash the winner that year. Replies: I remember thinking Ashley Hatfield, Miss IL, would win the year she competed, and she, unfortunately, did not place. (NT) -- No name, 14:30:44 11/20/09 Fri I thought Kelsey Cartwritght (OK 08) and Alicia Zitka (Mass 08) were deadlocks for t5. i was super bummed that she didnt make it through. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:38 11/20/09 Fri agree with Kelsey and Alicia...I thought they would both make the cut and was disgusted when they didn't. Also, last year's Miss MS I thought was a sure thing for T10! How disappointing (NT) -- No name, 15:11:31 11/20/09 Fri I'll second on Kelsey. Thought she had it in the bag! (NT) -- No name, 15:48:05 11/20/09 Fri Let (NT) -- No name, 19:25:20 11/20/09 Fri Lets not start on the Kelsey train again. She SUCKS in interview. She can barely form sentences. She was gorgeous and that was it. (NT) -- Interview counts people, 19:26:35 11/20/09 Fri OK will always pick pretty. Good for them. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:42 11/21/09 Sat They didn't this year. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:18 11/24/09 Tue Kelsey and Alicia were two of my favorites (NT) -- No name, 21:59:34 11/20/09 Fri And Nebraska. I do not see how she did not win swim suit. I was truly shocked at that group's swimsuit prelim choice. (NT) -- No name, 22:00:56 11/20/09 Fri yes, NE too! she was H-O-T! (NT) -- No name, 22:38:43 11/20/09 Fri I also predicted a swimsuit win for Nebraska, but I believe New York was the swimsuit winner in her group. (NT) -- No name, 01:42:25 11/22/09 Sun I thought both Ashley and Kelse would probably make the cut, but did not think either would win. (NT) -- No name, 22:14:13 11/20/09 Fri Marina Harrison Miss Maryland...by all accounts she should have won. I think Camille Lewis also should have won the year she competed..dispite the fact so many negative nancy"s said she did not have good speaking abilities which I found was no true...Wayne Brady screwed up part of the interview he did with her on the telecast., not Camile..she was much better than the 4th runner up position she was given. (NT) -- No name, 14:44:16 11/20/09 Fri Oh, I second that on Marina Harrison. I so thought the crown was hers. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:44 11/20/09 Fri THIRD that one. And also Kanoelani. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:34 11/20/09 Fri Kanoelani didn't want to win, that year it was so obvious that the judges wanted Miss WI to win. She was gifted that talent win. However she fell apart during the telecast and Dunlap was able to sneak in for the win. I thought Marina was going to win it all but perhaps her composite did her in. I would have taken out Tina (WI) and put in Laurie Miss RI. A truly wonderful talent that year and more then just a resmue queen. Poor Camille didn't even know that the musical HAIRSPRAY took place in BALTIMORE! (NT) -- No name, 20:46:34 11/20/09 Fri Laurie = no personality (NT) -- No name, 14:09:44 11/21/09 Sat Laurie made tremendous strides between winning Miss RI and going to nationals. I would have taken WI out and put RI in if they wanted a resmue queen in the T5. (NT) -- No name, 15:01:57 11/21/09 Sat Marina Harris, Kanoelani Gibson, and Nicole Lamarche all acted like idiots that night. The only two that acted like they had any class that night was Tina S from WI who didn't want to win and Ericka Dunlap. Go back and watch how idiotic MD, HI, and CA acted. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:13 11/22/09 Sun I couldn't agree more. (NT) -- No name, 11:44:21 11/24/09 Tue I will never forget how loud the audience booed when she was named 3rd runner up...so notable even to the television audience. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:20 11/20/09 Fri Another great Miss Maryland was Kathleen Louise Neff who made top ten...gosh she was a stunning beauty....another beautifull contestant from Maryland was.. Robin Harmon. (NT) -- No name, 18:33:54 11/20/09 Fri Didn't Robin Harmon wind up in jail on drug-running charges? (NT) -- No name, 01:58:00 11/21/09 Sat Yes she did...was in there several years.....and it was drug charges. A former Miss maryland USA recently was charged with some kinda drug charge and will probally go to jail also. (NT) -- No name, 14:10:52 11/21/09 Sat I loved Camille and Marina too--both would have been great Miss Americas with that so-called "IT" factor. I also liked Miss Virginia the year Kim Aiken won--Nancy Glisson I believe her name is. I didn't see her beating Kim, who I thought was just heaven on earth that year, but she should have been placed higher than she was. There was a lot of booing from the audience when she was named 4th runner up as I recall. (NT) -- NCBoy, 17:27:20 11/20/09 Fri I worked with Kim"s cousin for a few years here where I work now...let me tell you...beauty does run in the family for sure..as does being nice..she never told any one the entire time she worked here that her cousin was Kim...me being a pageant fan I asked her one day if Kim Akien was related and she said ..yes with a wink and was surprised that I had asked her and it would be our little secreat...I never told a soul until today.She and I became really good co-workers and friends. (NT) -- No name, 18:31:27 11/20/09 Fri I don't think she'll mind me sharing this, but I had the opportunity to meet and speak with Mary Susan Runion, who was Miss NC the year Kim won Miss America. Mary Susan just raved about what a sweet, nice, genuine person Kim was in Atlantic City. I think Kim was very popular with the other contestants. (NT) -- NCBoy, 18:36:43 11/20/09 Fri If Kim was anything like her Cousin...the I believe you for sure. :o) (NT) -- No name, 18:37:51 11/20/09 Fri You can tell by the reactions of the other girls when she won that they love her. (NT) -- No name, 14:11:49 11/21/09 Sat She was a stunningly good looking Miss America...I thought she was so elegant (sp) (NT) -- No name, 14:14:41 11/21/09 Sat IMHO the most beautiful of all. (And a gracious and lovely personality as well). Love her. (NT) -- No name, 01:11:34 11/22/09 Sun I never, ever, ever thought Marina Harrison would be Miss America and since reading the "woe are we" messages from her fans over the years, I am glad she didn;t make it. (NT) -- No name, 22:15:48 11/20/09 Fri I have to agree with you. I thought Marina Harrison was way over the top and seemed so full of herself. (NT) -- No name, 01:32:53 11/21/09 Sat Over the top because she raised her hands in the air over football??? Get a grip. :o) LOL (NT) -- No name, 14:13:28 11/21/09 Sat No body is "woe as me" on here about her losing..maybe you lost to her??? :o) (NT) -- No name, 14:12:16 11/21/09 Sat Over the top? Did you see the thing that beat her that year and her 'reaction'? Now that was over the top (and ridiculous, phony and embarassing). (NT) -- Bleah., 23:27:14 11/21/09 Sat Yes I did see Ericka's reaction and I loved it. And gues what? She beat her. Your girl came in fourth. Translated: she wasn't even seriously considered. She was over the top and self-absorbed and she couldn't keep the train on that ugly gown from curling up onto itself. (NT) -- No name, 11:00:40 11/22/09 Sun You know--you can make your argument, but don't say she was not "seriously considered". The fact that she scored out over 40 plus of her fellow contestants shows that the judges took her seriously. More serious so than the contestant who won the first round of competition (CA in SS). Second, she was well-received by the audience. Third, don't even TRY and argue about your "winner" being self-absorbed and petty. Tune in to the Amazing Race tonight and watch. Or ask Shauna Pender, who did not even get a well-wish when she was in a serious accident. Or her husband, who she berates constantly and loves it. Maybe you're him? (NT) -- No name, 16:24:35 11/22/09 Sun Don't blame Ericka if Shauna Pender didn't get a "Get Well" card. Mary Sullivan hated Ericka and wanted Shauna to win FL. Mary made Ericka's life a living hell so any BS you hear on Ericka slighting Shauna is totally incorrect. (NT) -- No name, 21:00:27 11/22/09 Sun She came in fourth baby. Not even the bronze medal. Not even on the medal stand. (NT) -- No name, 21:41:51 11/22/09 Sun OK, so you admit she didn't get one and then you say it's incorrect? Pick your way of justifying her behavior. And by the way, defend her tonight. (NT) -- No name, 21:49:02 11/22/09 Sun I'll defend her. She's adorable. She came in first in Atlantic City and Marina came in a distant fourth. (NT) -- No name, 21:56:46 11/22/09 Sun But not in the eyes of the audience. (NT) -- BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 22:26:04 11/22/09 Sun Oh Marina, you came in fourth and didn't even place when you trashed it up in USA. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:09 11/22/09 Sun Honey you won because Miss WI droppped a big stinkbomb finals night. Try and be consistent dear. If you are going to get your maxipad in a twist about Marina's behavior then you should look at your own. BTW sweetie did you forget that you "trashed it up" at FL Teen USA. (NT) -- No name, 08:23:20 11/23/09 Mon Oh my. Marina placed behind a stinkbomb? Imagine. (NT) -- No name, 22:51:25 11/23/09 Mon Dear, have you been eating shit again? Because thats about the only thing coming out of your mouth. (NT) -- are you still doing donkey shows in TJ with your mother?, 11:36:20 11/24/09 Tue Let me hear you say "fourth". Behind a stinkbomb fourth. Not even on the medal stand. No flag raised in your honor, fourth. (NT) -- And even worse at USA. Oh my., 11:53:06 11/24/09 Tue Remember VA's Nacy Redd (sp?). I thought she was a top contender and I can't remember if she even made T10 (NT) -- No name, 15:15:58 11/20/09 Fri Nancy Red made top 10 and was "given" a swimsuit win. She was eliminated after 10. She was an interview queen and got as far as she should have. (NT) -- Not a total package, 15:47:56 11/20/09 Fri An attractive interview queen that has made herself more relevant and recognizable than any of the last five Miss Americas. Just google and see for yourself. Nancy's evening gown was her downfall and she will tell you that herself. Being Miss America might have hindered her present day career, because she would have had to waste a year eating Dairy Queen Ice Cream and going to Nascar Races (unless they had let her run with her agenda) (NT) -- va gal, 21:07:43 11/20/09 Fri Relevant and Recognizable? I guess it's like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. I don't think she was an interview queen; she was a resume queen who was very lucky to get as far as she did IMHO. (NT) -- No name, 01:49:52 11/21/09 Sat What's in the eye of the beholder? Her NYT and USA Today bestseller book? Her Good Morning America appearances? Her column contributions to CosmoGirl and Dove Beauty Campaign for Real women? Her interviews on Oprah's XM radio show? Her position as an AOL wellness coach? Her spread in People magazine? The multiple times I've seen her as a commentator on Headline News? Her marriage to a film and television star who she met in college? I guess you should open your eyes to see how relevant and recognizable she is and this is only a few of the things that she has done and is doing. (NT) -- check her out at nancyredd.com, 16:47:05 11/21/09 Sat Honey her husband is hardly a film and television star. Dear she was a overhyped resmue queen that was awarded a prelim ss win because of her resmue not because she deserved. You can babble on about what she did after the title but as far as what was onstage that year, she was below average in just about every category. You sound like a crazy fangurl (NT) -- No name, 19:38:00 11/21/09 Sat She spread her legs for her book and that's what made her relevant? I guess so. Plus, seems like everything she's done in that book she's ripped off from someplace or someone else. Have you read it? Nothing original or outstanding about her and nobody would recognize her exept those in the pageant world. Get over it. (NT) -- No name, 01:20:06 11/22/09 Sun Wow the two above posts sound llike someone with an axe to grind against this very accomplished women. LOL, isn't it funny "hun" that you could hold a grudge that long.? I'm just a reader but this really puts into perspective the "hun" calling and how long the catty ugly streaks have been looming on this board and beyond. I guess it's just a girl thing after all. (NT) -- No name, 11:14:11 11/22/09 Sun Dear no one is holding a grudge but you seem to be a tad bit obsessed with Nancy and padding her accomplishments just a tad. (NT) -- No name, 19:18:39 11/22/09 Sun I chose to mention what she has done after her time because we were talking about relevance. I could also make a list of things she has done before. Not a crazed fan but a friend who knows that anybody can access this information on her website. Perhaps she was an interview/resume queen but she was what was winning Miss America at the time (i.e.: Erika Harold). Her book is helping young girls all over the country and it is outrageous to imply that she 'opened her legs.' It's a vulgar statement about a book that was created to help young girls and women to be able to feel better about themselves. This is what is partially wrong with Miss America right now. We are so uptight and stuffy and completely irrelevant in the real world. Nancy is doing something with her life. What are you doing? (click in) -- what have you done lately?, 12:54:12 11/22/09 Sun Oh go open you legs for Nancy, and let her make some money off of you already. (NT) -- No name, 13:25:39 11/22/09 Sun She made the ten and was a swimsuit winner I believe. (NT) -- No name, 15:48:43 11/20/09 Fri If Nancy's "relevancy" can only be determined by reading self written self promoting web page then she's about as relevant as the proverbial tree falling in the woods... (NT) -- IMHO, 00:52:21 11/22/09 Sun A tree that has AOL, People, Glamour, CNN, Oprah, etc. around to witness its fall.... (NT) -- No name, 12:56:25 11/22/09 Sun For me it's usually when a state like AL, TX and OK don't make top 10. Its almost a given (deserved or not). (NT) -- No name, 15:49:27 11/20/09 Fri Suzette Charles (NT) -- No name, 15:56:55 11/20/09 Fri Some of these were before your time, but the three that come to mind that I would call the biggest rip-offs, not the biggest losers, were: Janet Carr (Miss California in the mid 70s); Carrie Mitchell (Miss Colorado sometime in the late 80s/early 90s); and Sheri Ryman (Miss Texas back in the late 70s/early 80s). But I also agree with the votes for Marina Harrison, and also I hated it that Patricia Brant had to lose, but if she did, at least it was to a very deserving Kaye Lani. Then there was our Miss Virginia Julianne Smith, losing to that rascal Kellye Cash. So I guess I had more than three examples, after all, didn't I? (NT) -- These immediately come to mind, 16:22:35 11/20/09 Fri I read that Julianne Smith did not want to win and was relieved when she got first runner up. Kelly Cash was the pre-pageant and during-pageant favorite that year. (NT) -- DR, 17:30:18 11/20/09 Fri I was a big Sheri Ryman fan too. Has anyone seen the Miss Texas pageant the first year she competed and made Top 10 (I think it was 1980). Her talent was amazing--jazz/gymnastics to a disco version of Wizard of Oz. Loved it and wished she had done that in Atlantic City. Also, didn't Sheri suffer an injury while at Miss America and performed on a broken foot? I don't think anyone could have beaten Elizabeth Ward that year, but Sheri was simply amazing. What's she doing now? (NT) -- No name, 17:30:31 11/20/09 Fri I think Sheri sprained her ankle but she was fablous in talent. She was the computer pick to win that year, but was stuck in a ugly dress, that being said I would have placed her higher. Liz won two out of three on stage categories but 1981 was a weak year. Julianne Smith was absolutely thrilled with being 1st RU, she didn't want to win so in her own way she did win. Karrie Mitchell? Maybe SHE thought she was going to win but that was about it. Great swimsuit but bad attitude and the worst talent of the top 10 her version of VISION OF LOVE was cringeworthy. (NT) -- No name, 20:52:26 11/20/09 Fri I second that! (NT) -- No name, 14:54:47 11/21/09 Sat What about Miss Kansas Cherly Prewitt's year? She was the Computer Pick and failed to make the Top 10. (NT) -- What A Very Good Question, 16:52:52 11/20/09 Fri Michelle Whitson was Miss Kansas Cheryl Prewitt's year and was 2nd runner-up.... (NT) -- NC Pageant Fan, 17:29:23 11/20/09 Fri I remember an article in People magazine about the prediction that Miss Kansas would win, but it wasn't Cheryl's year. I think it was actually Susan Powell's year, but I could be wrong. Her name was Leann something and she was very pretty. (NT) -- NCBoy, 17:32:57 11/20/09 Fri Leann Folsum was the Miss Kansas that was predicted to win through a computer pick. Regarding Michelle Whitson, that was one of the worst talent presentations ever at Miss America. I was shocked at her placement. (NT) -- WI fan, 18:35:18 11/20/09 Fri Cheryl Prewitt was the computer pick in her year although the press did not pay attention to that until after she won. The following year the computer picked Leann Folsom, Miss Kansas. Michelle Whitson was a National Sweetheart but I do not remember there being much prepageant buzz about that either. (NT) -- Tom Moletteire, 23:49:50 11/21/09 Sat Adrianna Sglarta (sp) and Tara Wheeler from VA. I thought the nauseous hype would never quit. I have never seen such hype ove a pair of clappers in my life. Brooke Laurin from NC was also a over hyped barfer with the ridiculous eye make up. Jeez she sure looked like she had just stepped out of a backwoods booty parlor. (NT) -- No name, 17:20:59 11/20/09 Fri The hype over Tara continues even though she's not Miss Va anymore. We still have to hear about all her wonderful deeds and every breath she takes. (NT) -- It still lives on, 20:08:36 11/20/09 Fri I know, that Tara Wheeler, she is on Good Morning America, America's News Room, Hell, She was even on my AOL home page. Then I heard she was on that devil channel FOX with that Greta woman. How dare she make the publc think about the Miss America Organization, and it is always so sickeningly positive. Who does she think she is. I get so sick of hearing about our girls past and present doing good. (NT) -- That is what you are saying, 21:01:51 11/20/09 Fri Exactly! (NT) -- No name, 11:57:14 11/21/09 Sat Yes, and all that "anti bully" stuff we can blame on Adrianna. Since she lobbied for that bill schools now focus on character education and tolerance. And that Wheeler girl just keeps raising money to fight cancer. Why can't these two girls just stop doing so much good. It almost makes me think I should get out there and volunteer myself. How terrible, and from "clappers" too... (NT) -- I wish I could clap that loudly, 21:44:48 11/20/09 Fri Sorry that you dragged Adriana into this, she has no business in it. The point about Tara is that she should continue to do the good deeds she is doing, but not continually shove them down people's throats. Most people who do work like this do it quietly and never want the recognition, thats a true volunteer. Not someone who begs the press to be everywhere she's going to be advertises it in her blogs, me me me look at me. (NT) -- That is all, 02:57:32 11/22/09 Sun I disagree. If she "kept it quiet" who would donate funds to pediatric cancer research. I guess you are used to forking over your daughter's CMN donations then since she must keep it quiet. I commend Tara for the positive press she has gotten for charity and for MAO so they remember us. They tend to forget or get MAO mixed up with USA. (NT) -- Sounds like someone is jealous of success., 09:30:02 11/22/09 Sun Exactly right. The whole point of publicizing is to make people aware so they come and DONATE. Keeping these things quiet would be like having a party but not sending out invitations because you dont want to "call attention" to yourself. (NT) -- Yep, sounds like jealousy to me too., 15:57:18 11/22/09 Sun If the press responded to begging we would still be on prime time TV. (NT) -- No name, 09:31:27 11/22/09 Sun Definitely Miss Oklahoma 2002 Casey Preslar (2nd runner up to Miss A) (NT) -- Cali Livin', 18:41:20 11/20/09 Fri First of all let me say that some of you are really big assholes. Secondly, only people like you could put the words loser and Miss America contestant together in the same sentence. Let me ask, have YOU ever stepped foot on that stage? Does it mean nothing anymore to even get there? Thank god that most of you on here a losers yourself and we will never have to admire you in a position like Miss America. (NT) -- m, 18:50:47 11/20/09 Fri Bitch. (NT) -- No name, 18:58:09 11/20/09 Fri No crap. Wow....it's a message board...mostly for fun. Why you getting so worked up about it? Didn't make the Top 10, did ya? (NT) -- No name, 18:59:56 11/20/09 Fri Truth hurts doesn't it you loser. Ouch. You are trash for starting this because it will only get nastier. Loser freak! (NT) -- Loser, 19:16:54 11/20/09 Fri If this poster had actually READ what the person was asking, was essentially who was the most fantastic, terrific titleholder you've seen that SHOULD have won the crown. Not calling these people drudges of humanity. I vote that the self-righteous posters go and post on Oprah's board or something. (NT) -- No name, 19:07:17 11/20/09 Fri Someone needs an economy sized enema...STAT!!! (NT) -- IVANA B ASTAR, 19:15:28 11/20/09 Fri You hold 'em down Ivana and I'll go get the fire hose....LOL! (NT) -- NCBoy, 20:20:58 11/20/09 Fri LOL (NT) -- No name, 22:12:52 11/20/09 Fri Ivana, that is one of the funniest things I have heard on here in ages. I am still cracking up. (NT) -- No name, 19:45:51 11/22/09 Sun Unless her interview was atrocious, I really felt that Shanni Nielsen, Miss Indiana from Tara Dawn's year, should have been Indiana's first Miss America. No one has come close to her outstanding performance of "In His Eyes" since her. She should have been a lock for top five for sure. (NT) -- Wi fan, 19:17:15 11/20/09 Fri I thought Taryn Foshee had Miss America written all over her (NT) -- No name, 21:37:23 11/20/09 Fri She was my choice. She had great answers. That was the first year they showed parts of the interview. Cannot forget her crystal blue eyes. (NT) -- Beautiful girl, 22:02:22 11/20/09 Fri She had the mouth of a horse. (NT) -- No name, 16:41:14 11/21/09 Sat How about the woman who was Miss NY a few years ago, but was actually from Georgia? I am totally blanking on her name, but she was a Rockette. I think she was even Miss Sweetheart the year before she got to Miss A. Everyone thought she was a lock for SS because of the long legs/dancer body, and for talent since she was a Rockette. I don't think she even made Top 10! (NT) -- No name, 22:12:49 11/20/09 Fri Kandice Pelletier, I thought she stood a chance, but we had no idea her own directors had sabotaged her. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:02 11/20/09 Fri I never thought she stood a chance. She made her own poor clothing choices (admitting to a newspaper in Vegas that she spent 7 thousand of her own money on her wardrobe), and that little girl/bird voice, and that fried bleached hair. No way. (NT) -- No name, 01:35:55 11/21/09 Sat Kandice was the perfect contestant. She should have placed/won. (NT) -- No name, 06:07:15 11/21/09 Sat She had a very weak face. Not pretty. She was very "harsh". Miss A. wants prettier faces (NT) -- No name, 07:50:43 11/21/09 Sat She had a great body with LONG legs. Nothing more. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:59 11/21/09 Sat How did her directors sabotage her? (NT) -- No name, 20:26:49 11/23/09 Mon Jennifer DuPont (NT) -- No name, 22:20:58 11/20/09 Fri Lori Lee Kelley 2nd runner up to Gretchan Carlson, Lori should have won it (NT) -- No name, 22:49:38 11/20/09 Fri Miss Florida 1996, Jamie Bolding (NT) -- No name, 01:07:36 11/21/09 Sat Heather Rathbun (NT) -- No name, 02:00:07 11/21/09 Sat Alabama's Amanda Tapley - Her family and college friends hyped her more than the current PR is being hyped and could not believe she did not win; some of them even stated she was the most beautiful, talented, etc. of any contestant EVER....even had people banned on forums who did not think she was the greatest - talk about ego.... (NT) -- No name, 06:57:42 11/21/09 Sat There are a few in that situation this year (NT) -- who will be added to this list next year, 14:56:36 11/21/09 Sat Miss America "Loser" -- No name, 20:47:13 11/22/09 Sun Megan Welch, Miss Florida.....early 90's (NT) -- No name, 07:24:23 11/21/09 Sat The former Miss SC who lost to Phyllis George (NT) -- No name, 12:01:22 11/21/09 Sat That was a good thing... Claudia Turner's talent was dreadful. (NT) -- No name, 12:15:26 11/21/09 Sat No one was going to beat Phyllis that year. It was a contest to see who would be first runner-up and Claudia won that. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:03 11/21/09 Sat Amen to that. (NT) -- Phyllis is the best., 21:59:36 11/23/09 Mon Jill Stevens. People assumed that the military angle, combined with her beautiful looks, would be such a great idea for a Miss America. But we all know what happened at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 12:58:32 11/21/09 Sat I'm sure Jill was very happen with making the cut. I was happy for her. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:59 11/21/09 Sat Jill went with the Miss Americas to Afghanistan. Didn't see the winner from that year with them! (NT) -- No name, 14:46:31 11/21/09 Sat Who cares. Maybe she could compete in the Miss Moroni cult pageant (NT) -- No name, 15:03:55 11/21/09 Sat The answer is Charlene Dallas, Miss CA 66 (1st RU to Jane Jayroe). She won both prelims and was BEAUTIFUL. We all sighed went it went down... (NT) -- Dame Edweena, 19:55:43 11/21/09 Sat To this day Charlene Dallas was the most beautiful to grace the stage at Miss America. How she lost to Jayroe is so beyond reality........still after all these years. (NT) -- No name, 01:24:17 11/22/09 Sun Too bad Charlene Dallas didn't know how to speak. (NT) -- No name, 01:24:23 11/22/09 Sun Yes because being a great speaker was such a big part of being Miss America in 1966 (NT) -- NOT, 10:03:21 11/22/09 Sun Well she answered her final question better than jayroe, and outshined in talent, swimsuit, and gown, so go figure. Beedy eyed jayroe. (NT) -- No name, 11:12:32 11/22/09 Sun Poor Charlene -- she was asked about her pet dog! (NT) -- Jayroe answered articulately about her goal to be an orchestra conductor despite prejudice against women orchestra leaders., 23:02:29 11/22/09 Sun Charlene Dallas should have won. The 50 other girls knew she should have won. I also was dumbfounded that Jayne Jayroe won that pageant with the most off-key vocal talent I have ever seen. It was truly a sad day in Atlantic City. We went home to Ohio saying Miss California was robbed of that title. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:55 11/22/09 Sun I WANNA TOSS JANE'S SALAD! TACO BELL AND CHILI WITH A BAG OF PEANUTS AND SOME CORN YUM! (NT) -- Jayroe answered articulately about her goal to be an orchestra conductor despite prejudice against women orchestra leaders., 08:26:52 11/23/09 Mon Some have already been mentioned but here is my list - Jackie Geist, Miss California 2008; Melissa Chaty, Miss California 2007; Marina Harrison, Miss Maryland 2003; Nancy Glisson, Miss Virginia 1993; Lisa Somodi, Miss Iowa 1991; Maya Walker, Miss Colorado 1988; Kathy Manning, Miss Mississippi 1984; Sheri Ryman, Miss Texas 1981; Lencola Sullivan, Miss Arkansas 1980; Guylynn Remenga, Miss Nebraska 1978; Janet Carr, Miss California 1975; Judy Mallett, Miss Texas 1973; Dawn Cashwell, Miss Florida 1967; Charlene Dallas, Miss California 1966; and Evelyn Ellis, Miss South Carolina 1962. (NT) -- Just sayin, 22:11:12 11/21/09 Sat wow, you did your research - LOL! (NT) -- nice list, 13:09:56 11/22/09 Sun In 2001, I thought MarShawn Evans was going to win the crown. It seemed the judges loved her. (NT) -- No name, 17:27:55 11/22/09 Sun Thank God she didn't, she couldn't even fulfill her duties as Miss DC. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:07 11/22/09 Sun Yes she could Richard, too bad you couldn't fulfill YOURS! (NT) -- No name, 20:32:03 11/22/09 Sun Maybe she could, but she didn't. In the end I'm glad she didn't win. She would have scared the children. (NT) -- No name, 21:50:18 11/22/09 Sun She did fulfill her duties Richard, but you didn't. Now go eat another box of doughnuts you pig (NT) -- No name, 08:25:11 11/23/09 Mon No she didn't. She just showed up at rehearsal to give her "coaching cards" to the contestants and split. Now go kiss your frogs and stop scaring the children. (NT) -- No name, 22:58:04 11/23/09 Mon Richard honey still bitter that your franchise was TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. We all knew you WISHED you were Miss DC. Just because you tuck it in doesn't make you a woman (NT) -- No name, 11:25:57 11/24/09 Tue September, 1992- Carrie Lee Davis, Miss SC. Widely felt to be the favorite going into the pageant. She was the first physician to compete at Miss America. SS winner, Top 10. (And now I'm sure the bashing will start)........... (NT) -- Lifelong Fan, 22:49:14 11/23/09 Mon You saw something I never did. Her talent on the TV telecast was one of the worst I've ever seen. (NT) -- No name, 02:10:14 11/24/09 Tue She was another computer pick, and frankly I didn't think she lived up to the hype. Very hard looking, below average talent, and a bad attitude. (NT) -- No name, 11:27:22 11/24/09 Tue

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