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Western U.S. Region Irish Dancers
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Hello Oireachtas Goers -- contact if interested, 13:06:41 11/16/09 Mon [6]
I am a senior dancer and I will be arriving into Denver late on Thursday night at 11:30pm. I am flying alone, and was wondering if there is anyone else arriving around that time who would like to share a taxi or book a car/shuttle to the Hyatt together.

Please email me if you are interested.

Thanks!

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- Not Sure if this helps, but the SuperShuttle deal might be a better deal... -- helper, 14:45:48 11/16/09 Mon
  - Super shuttle closed at this time. (NT) -- have to go the expensive route, 17:53:43 11/16/09 Mon
  - Do you mean they are closed at those late hours? (NT) -- help, 18:30:06 11/16/09 Mon
    - Umm.. yes. (NT) -- **, 08:10:24 11/17/09 Tue
- Scroll down the page there are some other dancers arriving late too, maybe you might be on the same flight. (NT) -- hope that helps, 20:55:26 11/16/09 Mon
We are renting a car, and staying at the Hyatt for 4 nights. Has anyone found a less expensive option for parking? -- Thanks., 12:54:32 11/16/09 Mon [3]
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- We're not staying so close downtown due to the high parking. I called around and it was $18-$22/day. I figure by staying at a free parking hotel just outside of downtown, I cover the cost of having the car. True, not as convenient for the O, but with staying the extra day and not having to do an airport shuttle, it's worth it. Plus, the hotel has a downtown shuttle I plan to use too. (NT) -- cheapskate mom, 22:48:52 11/16/09 Mon
- I had considered this also but was concerned about the cost of parking downtown if not staying at the downtown hotels. Does anyone know how much it is to just park downtown by the convention center? (NT) -- NT, 12:14:55 11/17/09 Tue
Anyone waiting for overseas dresses -- curioius, 11:14:08 11/16/09 Mon [1]
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One more Oireachtas question that wasn't on the info sheet... -- a WR mom, 09:31:12 11/16/09 Mon [5]
Will competition numbers be available for pick-up Thursday afternoon at the Hyatt (with programs) or at the Convention Center? Or do we need to wait until before our competitions in the ballrooms on competition day? Thank you!

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- Are the programs available at the Hyatt or Convention Center, or both. Would like to get one the day before she dances. (NT) -- me, 10:18:15 11/16/09 Mon
- Number cards can be picked up at the side of the stage you'll be dancing on the morning of the competition. Not sure if programs are available both at the Hyatt and the Convention Center. (NT) -- **, 11:41:11 11/16/09 Mon
- There is general info posted at Feisworx. It says the programs will be available at the Hyatt on Thursday. (NT) -- practice room there, also., 12:29:31 11/16/09 Mon
- not program related just Colorado reminder to dancers to carry water bottle with them, drink more then usual, to handle altitude change and avoid headaches, lip balm for dryness, you will notice both (NT) -- parent, 12:42:45 11/16/09 Mon
Friendly reminder Comerford christmas feis entries due in two weeks -- committee, 23:18:13 11/15/09 Sun [2]
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- I have received an email from Feisworx stating that I will be billed for the first night of our stay at the hotel on November 27. I was wondering when the schedule would be up as our stay depends on scheduling. Need to know how early DD competition is on Saturday (U13 Open) and what day teams are on (U15 open). (NT) -- Thanks, 09:45:16 11/16/09 Mon
At Oireachtas... Do U14 dancers dance soft shoe and hard shoe 2 or 3 at a time? -- Can't remember!, 22:23:55 11/15/09 Sun [5]
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- At the WCR Oireachtas it was 3 at a time for both rounds. (NT) -- WCR Mom, 23:06:50 11/15/09 Sun
- They must be dancing 2 at a time...just looking at the length of the time blocked out for this group. (NT) -- traffic control, 06:43:26 11/16/09 Mon
- Sometimes they are 3 at a time for hard shoe & 2 at a time for soft shoe. (NT) -- No name, 06:58:35 11/16/09 Mon
- In Phoenix it was 2 at a time. (NT) -- 2, 12:57:07 11/16/09 Mon
What are the earliest that Vendors will be selling on Thursday at the O? I may need a new pair of soft shoes and some socks...anyone know? -- thanks =), 21:02:30 11/15/09 Sun [9]
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- vendors -- x, 21:31:14 11/15/09 Sun
- What about programs? When will they be available? (NT) -- thanks., 22:40:01 11/15/09 Sun
- Programs will be on sale on Thursday evening in the lobby area of the Hyatt Regency hotel. (NT) -- :), 22:43:57 11/15/09 Sun
  - do you know approximately what time? trying to gauge bed time for my dancers... (NT) -- --, 23:36:40 11/15/09 Sun
- Vendors will be selling from 4-8 pm on Thursday. 7-7 Fri-Sun. (NT) -- No name, 06:35:56 11/16/09 Mon
  - Thank you for posting this info! (NT) -- you're a gem!, 07:00:40 11/16/09 Mon
- A lot of vendors are happy to put items on hold for you to pick up at the venue. That way you don't have to worry about getting there right when they open & you have the piece of mind that you will get what you need. (NT) -- No name, 06:57:24 11/16/09 Mon
- According to info sheet posted on Feisworx: Vendors (NT) -- FYI, 10:30:14 11/16/09 Mon
Oireachtas, how many girls in the open U13 solo? -- wrm, 13:42:59 11/15/09 Sun [8]
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- 129- last I looked. (NT) -- dm, 13:59:13 11/15/09 Sun
- How about girls U16? (NT) -- thanks!, 14:07:09 11/15/09 Sun
  - dance numbers and number of world qualifiers -- dm, 17:12:00 11/15/09 Sun
    - U15 has + (1 WMH) (NT) -- Thanks!, 18:07:58 11/15/09 Sun
      - more than that - 2or 3 for sure... (NT) -- U15, 18:42:29 11/15/09 Sun
        
        nope...you would think, but only 1 this year. (NT) -- More next year, I bet!, 18:56:40 11/15/09 Sun
    - this is not correct - there are no qualifiers in (NT) -- U9, 18:27:12 11/15/09 Sun
My thoughts about the Oireachtas -- Thrilled to go., 13:08:28 11/15/09 Sun [10]
Some people below noted their thoughts about going to the Oireachtas so I thought I would share too.

I remember about 7 months after our dd started the teachers and the more experienced dancers were talking about going to Portland for the Oireachtas. I didn't have any idea what they were talking about, or even how to spell it, but they sure were excited. My dd wondered to me more than once whether she would ever get to go to this competition.

It took her another year, but there we were in Los Angeles. I understood the venue was pretty small and it did seem like more trouble than fun, but there she was, on stage, with all these amazing other dancers. My dd was pretty nervous and she felt like she didn't quite belong. She got out there and tried her best, but didn't recall.

That night we tried to go to the awards but it was just so crowded so we left and joined some friends who were likewise trying to get over the disappointment of not recalling.

Not 5 minutes into this gathering did I notice how much fun the girls and we parents were having. The girls were already talking about "next year", wondering where it would be. On the way home the next day, my dd told me how proud she was for getting on stage even though she thought everyone could hear her heart pounding. She was the one who remembered our conversatin the year before where she talked about one day going to the Oireachtas.

This will be our third and I hope everyone has as much fun as we have had at L.A. and Phoenix. My dd likely will not challenge for a world qualifier spot or even top 25, but she thinks she is ready to recall and can't wait. We both have the highest respect for all the great dancers who will be there.

So congratulations to everyone, from those on the podium to those who dance with pounding hearts knowing they are there for the experience.

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- That is lovely (NT) -- mom, 13:30:12 11/15/09 Sun
- Great post! (NT) -- Good luck to your daughter!, 13:34:17 11/15/09 Sun
- Inspiration for us first timers! (NT) -- ready to O!, 15:13:26 11/15/09 Sun
- You're so right to be there with your friends is the best. Our first Oireachtas was Denver a while back ... and they have all been fun and great memories. She's in high school now and I'm treasuring this time. It will be gone soon. (NT) -- It;'s been a great ride, 16:48:14 11/15/09 Sun
- This so parallels our journey, altho we are only at year two...first year soloing...just going for the experience, no expectations, hopfully lots of fun! (NT) -- idmom, 19:10:40 11/15/09 Sun
- The best memories and the most fun come from just being together and experiencing new places. The recalls and placements are just gravy. -- Good Luck to her this year., 22:56:12 11/15/09 Sun
- Thank you for this great message of what the O is really about. The fun, experience, dancing, but mainly the memories! This is my daughter's first Oireachtas and it is quite nerver-racking for me. You definitely have made us both feel so much better about the whole "O" thing! (NT) -- 1st Time WRO Mom, 23:14:57 11/15/09 Sun
  - Well, you all are way ahead of me...I did not even know about this message board when my dd competed at her first O. Good luck to your daughter. I am sure she will do great! (NT) -- me, 23:38:18 11/15/09 Sun
- thanks -- J, 21:05:14 11/16/09 Mon
Bloomers -- will check in Denver, 08:11:44 11/15/09 Sun [7]
Dd didn't find the new ones especially comfortable, so we went to a large dancewear store for trunks. She tried on four different styles. Two were too see-through, and one came up on the thighs like an 80s swimsuit. One was OK, but gave a wedgie. She's never had this difficulty finding trunks. Hope a vendor has something better!

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- In the same boat here! Hope a vendor at Denver has a good supply. (NT) -- late bloomer purchase, 09:08:11 11/15/09 Sun
  - Irish Butterfly will be there. They have Liberts bloomers. I like them. DD wears black with whatever dress she has, so I don't know which other colors they have. You might call & they'll set aside a pair for you. (NT) -- No name, 20:45:22 11/15/09 Sun
- I am just not sure how many more crystals to add, the fabric on the bloomers seems to sag a bit from the weight. I also need to figure out what to put on the crystals that are on the seams around the legs because the are rubbing her legs. I think that a plastic coating would help it just slide but I will need to sew in a much heavier elastic to take up the weight, I don't want her knickers falling off during her set. (NT) -- can't wait for the O, 18:36:20 11/15/09 Sun
- I know this is a joke but somehow I can just picture it- crystals on the bloomers too! (NT) -- ha ha!, 22:57:47 11/15/09 Sun
- DD's new Gavin knickers are positively scandalous. They look like Vegas stripper briefs. I'm going to need an alternative as there is no way dd will kick with those skin tight high-cut things on. Suggestions? (NT) -- More modesty needed, 08:34:28 11/16/09 Mon
  - try the velvetcastle for bloomers (NT) -- www.thevelvetcastle.com, 08:49:05 11/16/09 Mon
renting a dress -- mom, 07:46:56 11/15/09 Sun [10]
I have been asked to rent my daughter's spare dress to someone in our class for the OIR. Their dress just arrived from Ireland way to small. Does anyone have any idea what the going rate is? I have no idea.

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- 50 or 100 bucks is what I would consider fair. (NT) -- jmho...what's yours?, 08:07:40 11/15/09 Sun
  - Depending on age and condition of your dress $100- 200 for weekend, take pics of dress before inside and out check for tan stains etc on return. This is a business transaction not a favor (NT) -- be realistic, 08:29:32 11/15/09 Sun
- Being from the same school, I believe that you should let her borrow it for free. We're all in this together and I'm sure you would like the favor returned should you ever need it. -- My 2 cents, 08:33:51 11/15/09 Sun
  - We had this happen in our school. I let the family borrow my daughters dance costume for free. They danced on different days so we felt this would be no problem at all. (NT) -- my 0 cents, 09:09:55 11/15/09 Sun
    - Us too, I wouldn't have dreamed of charging the family. (NT) -- another mom, 15:15:24 11/15/09 Sun
      - In a case like this I would have "treated" the mom and dd to dinner at the feis or some similar offer of gratitude. Sometimes, this is more readily accepted than cash yet still conveys your sincere thanks. (NT) -- just a thought, 08:36:57 11/16/09 Mon
- Depends on how close your friendship is, the value of the dress, and how much risk you feel you are taking. If not much risk and a friend, then lend it. If high risk or not a friend, then rent it. If renting and dress is worth more than $1000, rent for $100. If dress is worth $500 to $900 rent for $50. Be sure to make an agreement in any case that borrower/renter will pay for any damage. (NT) -- JMHO based on experience, 10:00:23 11/15/09 Sun
- I would still offer to pay. Otherwise, I would feel I was taking advantage of someone who could have had their dress in the resale room while it was being tied up all day. (NT) -- just me I guess, 12:25:43 11/15/09 Sun
- I agree, especially with friends, I would prefer to keep it business, even signing a contract should something happen to the dress, spills, tears, etc. " Good fences make good neighbors" type of thing... (NT) -- jmo, 19:14:15 11/15/09 Sun
5-panal gavin -- Ann, 07:11:44 11/15/09 Sun [1]
Beautiful purple 5-panel Gavin for sale.
Bust: 33"
Waist: 28"
Drop waist: about 30"
Arms: 23.5" Skirt: 15"
link to dress #4
http://dancingoneire.net/UsedDresses.aspx

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How many dancers in U8 -- Stephanie (Happy), 06:23:26 11/15/09 Sun [2]
Does anyone know how many dancers will be in the U8 competition?

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- I heard 37. We have a few from our school who are very excited. (NT) -- : ), 07:01:09 11/15/09 Sun
Snowing in Denver! -- yippee!, 00:49:55 11/15/09 Sun [4]
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- Yes, get all the snow out of the way now, and leave sun for the weekend! (NT) -- driving, 09:58:22 11/15/09 Sun
- Yay! Today's 10-day forecast is cold, but sunny for next weekend. I know the kids would love snow (mine included), but I personally would rather not deal with it. I keeping fingers crossed knowing how quick weather can change in Denver. (NT) -- spoiled Socal mom, 10:28:31 11/15/09 Sun
- ME TOO! Snow on the mountains, not on the Convention Center or airport! (NT) -- me2spoiled, 19:15:45 11/15/09 Sun
Anyone on Southwest SFO-DEN on Thursday @ 9:10am. Would like to share the same overhead bin for dresses. -- thinking out loud, 21:12:13 11/14/09 Sat [8]
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- How about SAN - DEN on Friday 6:25 p.m.? (NT) -- good idea, 21:47:17 11/14/09 Sat
- We are! We have three dancers and two dress bags. Please look for us! (NT) -- Mom, 06:58:49 11/15/09 Sun
- We are on the 2:10 thurs from San Diego - one dress bag! great idea to shatre overhead (NT) -- hopefully, 08:34:00 11/15/09 Sun
- We're on the SW flight out of Tucson, may trample hostesses with all the dress bags a comin...LOL! (NT) -- CUthere, 19:17:14 11/15/09 Sun
- We are Southwest SFO to Den THURSDAY 5:10pm. 2 families, 2 dress bags. (NT) -- tHIS WEEK! YIPES!, 20:57:01 11/15/09 Sun
- Bring the Flight Attendants CHOCOLATE!! They love that! Oh ya, smile and be nice! (NT) -- ., 09:16:44 11/16/09 Mon
- SWA-PHX-DEN Friday@ 6:30 am!! Let's dance!! (NT) -- I'm bringing chocolate (or Starbucks!), 09:18:55 11/16/09 Mon
anyone still waiting on a dress? -- breathe please, 20:05:44 11/14/09 Sat [13]
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- Have the dress (used). Need to shorten, add stones, make sure headband is good, buy new bloomers. (NT) -- at least dress is in the house!, 21:36:25 11/14/09 Sat
  - What vendors sell the bloomers at the O. Need new ones too. (NT) -- b, 22:20:24 11/14/09 Sat
    - What color do you need? Irish Butterfly carries them, but not a huge selection of colors. Will Kelso Covers be there? They carry bloomers too. (NT) -- No name, 06:44:52 11/15/09 Sun
      - Red, size large. (NT) -- Will B Shopping, 15:48:41 11/15/09 Sun
- Yes - its a bit nerve wracking - should have it Friday I hope! (NT) -- shipped to O, 21:50:37 11/14/09 Sat
  - I hope it fits like a glove. (NT) -- 'been there, 22:19:24 11/14/09 Sat
- Just got one last week! It fits beautifully! So happy with the final product! (NT) -- :), 11:29:08 11/15/09 Sun
- Just curious, do most dressmakers not include bloomers? My dd's first dress came with them, but the one we just bought did not, and it seems alot of people are having to purchase them separately. Just curious,not trying to start anything please... (NT) -- wrmom, 19:19:32 11/15/09 Sun
  - DM's don't usually make the stretchy kind of bloomers that the vendors sell. They only make the kind with elastic in the waist and legs. Sometimes these can look like something a circus performer would wear, and dancers might prefer the stretchy kind that look more like bathing suit bottoms. (NT) -- Just my opinion., 10:49:58 11/16/09 Mon
- I would think it would be part of your contract on what is provided.. (NT) -- bloomers and head band..., 19:36:57 11/15/09 Sun
- After readind discussion on main board about new gavin's im very worried , ours not here yet, what do you do if its not what you asked for? (NT) -- worried, 08:48:15 11/16/09 Mon
  - borrow/rent a dress and have it chosen and tried beforehand JUST IN CASE. (NT) -- stress, 18:47:04 11/18/09 Wed
Ghillie laces are breaking much easier than ever before, are they made cheaper these days? -- where can I get replacements quickly?, 19:39:18 11/14/09 Sat [4]
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- Can;t say if they are made more cheaply now, but my shoe repair guy carries a very large selection of shoelaces. Also check shoe aisle at Walmart for long laces until you can get to an ID vendor. (NT) -- buy a couple extra pairs, 08:06:03 11/15/09 Sun
- I've found that mine get worn thin in about 2 months.... (NT) -- dancer, 09:16:49 11/15/09 Sun
- I've only had 1 ghillie lace break in many years of dancing. The one that broke was due to an eyelet that had a rough edge & shredded the lace. Check the eyelets on your shoes? (NT) -- No name, 08:01:07 11/17/09 Tue
If a dancer recalls at Oireachtas, but does not completely finish set dance is she disqualified? -- Or does just recalling guarantee placement?,, 19:08:41 11/14/09 Sat [6]
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- Because the dancer recalls there is definately a placement. (NT) -- *, 19:22:13 11/14/09 Sat
- Just recalling guarantees a placement even if dancer is unable to dance set. Observed this at Worlds 2009. (NT) -- --, 06:10:31 11/15/09 Sun
- So if a dancer recalls go to awards in dress/wig? (NT) -- hope it applies to us!, 10:00:35 11/15/09 Sun
  - Definitely! Recall = placing on stage. Good luck to you! (NT) -- -, 15:22:07 11/15/09 Sun
- Will most likely place last in recall, but will still place. (NT) -- TC, 12:23:27 11/17/09 Tue
To all the dancers going to Oireachtas.. -- letting go is hard :[, 18:16:15 11/14/09 Sat [3]
Good luck :]
For all the dancers, a little advice towards a good Oireachtas:
Don't stress. Remember that you dance because you love it. :D
Placements are not everything.
If you do well, remember to stay humble.
If you wish did better, don't cry..because there are many who would love your place..And there is many who would have loved just to come..
Remember how blessed you are that you have parents who support you and your dancing, and thank them when all is done.

And remember that dancing is fun :]

Due to money issues, this will be the first Oireachtas in nine years I have not attended and I wish you all good luck and a great Oireachtas. I wish I could be there with you :]

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- That's so sweet! (NT) -- x, 19:23:28 11/14/09 Sat
- You'll be with us in spirit. We appreciate your kind words, and hope next year is financially better for you. (NT) -- nice post, 21:05:00 11/14/09 Sat
Brand new "Erin" wig from Celtic Creations. -- Email me, 16:23:24 11/14/09 Sat [1]
Color 14/24. Wig has never been removed from box. Can bring to "O"; arriving Wed. night. Bought wrong wig; paid $115 - asking $75.

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Stressing out about Oireachtas -- freaked out Mom, 15:36:25 11/14/09 Sat [7]
Gahh. : / I have a problem. Whenever my daughter dances her first round, she gets nervous and looks like a bad dancer. (no offence) She has in the past years done very well (all on podium). I'm worried that she won't do so well this year since she's been crying every night thinking she won't do well. I need advice, comment please.

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- I think we are all with you. Just hoping we all survive Denver. Tell her to try and have fun . -- Anyone feeling more positive? (more), 16:22:47 11/14/09 Sat
- That's the thing about competition, imo most competitors are feeling the same with nerves and all. Even those who are at the top feel the pressure and nervousness doesn't go away. (NT) -- my $0.02, 17:22:40 11/14/09 Sat
- You are describing my daughter, except for the crying at night. She is like a deer in the headlights for her first dance I just try to tell her to focus on herself and nothing else around her. (NT) -- similar, 18:13:13 11/14/09 Sat
- If she is a podium placer and gets this stressed, maybe you should rethink the whole thing. How old is she?? No point in stressing them out for (NT) -- life, 21:09:22 11/14/09 Sat
- She will be fine once she gets there, won't she? My dd is. In this run-up to the O, it's important that Mom be the rock and keep her cool, even when dd is melting down. Sometimes that's easier said than done. (NT) -- it'll be over in a week!, 21:34:54 11/14/09 Sat
- Ensure that she has a really strong warm up. THere's nothing that can kill a first round like not feeling warmed up. Try to keep her moving and focused in the minutes before she dances, but don't let her freak herself out. Just "Do your best, have fun" (NT) -- ., 12:16:18 11/15/09 Sun
Does anyone have the number of dancers in each comp? Wondering specifically about ladies U15 -- thanks in advance!, 14:55:14 11/14/09 Sat [7]
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- That group has 109. (NT) -- ..., 16:18:15 11/14/09 Sat
- U17 has 90 (NT) -- Terri E CO, 16:26:05 11/14/09 Sat
- Where can I find this? I'm looking for senior ladies and U14. (NT) -- Thanks!, 18:44:44 11/14/09 Sat
  - 119 (NT) -- ..., 20:14:45 11/14/09 Sat
  - Senior ladies have 41. (NT) -- **, 11:44:52 11/16/09 Mon
- What about girls U16? (NT) -- :), 14:03:26 11/15/09 Sun
What kind of soft shoes would you recommend for a novice? The Antonio Pacelli gazelles? Or is the flat bottom not so good for points? What does your TC recommend? -- nov mom, 11:59:33 11/14/09 Sat [4]
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- We like the Pacelli Eclipse. (NT) -- a mom, 13:01:00 11/14/09 Sat
- Pacelli Gazelles... for teams (mandated) adn solos.. just buy then very very tight they will stretch! (NT) -- :), 18:48:33 11/14/09 Sat
- Leather bottoms so that they LEARN how to point! -- more, 07:55:56 11/15/09 Sun
Spray tan in Denver? Can anyone recommend a spray tan place in the Westminster, CO area? We'll be there before heading into downtown for O. -- Thanks!, 11:39:34 11/14/09 Sat [2]
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- I've heard good things about Darque Tan on 120th between Lowell & Sheridan. Haven't tried them though, dd insists on using the Body Shop's gradual one. (NT) -- Westminster mom, 12:46:56 11/16/09 Mon
Discount coupon for Super Shuttle -- uamom, 11:27:46 11/14/09 Sat [3]
FYI. On the feisworx website there is a link for Super Shuttle under the feis info. Follow the link to a $6.00 off round trip coupon...every little bit helps!

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- Cool! Thanks! (NT) -- *, 16:53:38 11/14/09 Sat
- Upon advance payment they require a gratuity in advance of 18%, that's an automatic $20 tip which is more than I would do considering there'll be other riders we don't know in the same van. (NT) -- cheapskate mom, 18:21:55 11/14/09 Sat
My dd is arriving in Denver late (11:30). The super shuttle is closed at that time - any suggestions. She will be alone, it wil be late. Should we just pay the taxi or hire sedan? -- worrying mom, 10:50:37 11/14/09 Sat [8]
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- any idea how much a taxi is from airport to hotel (NT) -- hmmm, 10:59:19 11/14/09 Sat
  - $55 and that's before a tip! (NT) -- ouch!, 07:13:38 11/15/09 Sun
- re taxi -- uamom, 11:23:58 11/14/09 Sat
- I would call the hotel and ask them to refer you to a reputable car company that they can recommend. May be a few dollars more (not much) and a little less random than a taxi cab. Then you also have contact number etc. of who she's being driven by. (NT) -- ..., 14:06:07 11/14/09 Sat
- What night and what hotel? My daughter is arriving on Friday night, 11:55 p.m. and taking a cab to the crowne plaza. She would be happy to split a cab. (NT) -- email me, 14:59:16 11/14/09 Sat
  - Dd trying to email you but having trouble, getting an error message. Do you want to try her here. I can arrange a sedan from hotel for $65 with a tip this would only be a few more dollars and still cheaper than going along (NT) -- if still interested..., 15:12:33 11/15/09 Sun
    - I emailed your daughter. (NT) -- maybe it will work out., 17:11:57 11/15/09 Sun
Just my own brief thoughts on Oireachtas. -- just a mom, 09:31:01 11/14/09 Sat [6]
Everyone has worked so hard toward the OIreachtas this year! I am seeing quite a bit of stress, and injuries and illness at our school, and I'm sure others are too!

Please remember that this is an activity that is suppose to be fun. Everyone should "go for it" and do their best but in the end, remember that your results on this ONE day are not going to have huge impact on the rest of your year.

IF you are a contender to qualify for Worlds, then I do understand that the stakes are a bit higher. But if you're not (and that is the position MOST dancers are in, lets be honest) then your placement is really exciting, and important to YOU, but if you don't achieve your goals... rest assured that you can still go back to class, and dance, and compete and do shows and spend time with your friends (the biggest asset of dance, afterall, isn't it?, the friends?).

Your parents will still love you, your friends are still your buds, and your teacher will still care about you and teach you, EVEN IF YOU DON'T RECALL.(and if they don't...well...then THEY are the ones with the problem... not you!).

SO...go to Denver and HAVE A BLAST! Have fun with your friends, and dance your hearts (or lungs! haha) out! Try not to stress about it so much that it takes the fun away! We are proud of all of you and your devotion to this activity!

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- Excellent! I wholeheartedly agree! (NT) -- bb, 09:45:39 11/14/09 Sat
- The right mind set! -- uamom, 10:48:01 11/14/09 Sat
  - yes,... well I will need to be "reminded" of this mind set about the time they call recalls myself. It is easy to get sucked in to the stress of it all... (NT) -- O.P., 11:44:57 11/14/09 Sat
- Really hate the whole "recall" thing. They should all be able to dance their sets then get there placements even if they are last!!.. (NT) -- Would be more fun for all-would make for a longer day., 13:56:18 11/14/09 Sat
- What a great message!! Thank You! (NT) -- NorCal Mom, 16:36:18 11/14/09 Sat
Hoping to attend the Oireachtas on Sunday -- Rayna, 20:04:03 11/13/09 Fri [22]
I was a dancer in the southern region a few years ago and I'd love to attend the WRO this year (hopefully with my mom!)...I live about 30 mins from Denver so it's pretty hard to resist the urge to go. I'm excited to see what the dancing looks like outside of YouTube in 2009. The amount of new moves since I quit dancing is astounding! I couldn't have imagined bicycles and genie jumps back in 2004.

I'm going to try to be at the Event Center by 1:30-2pm on Friday and as early as possible on Sunday. Unfortunately i'll be busy on Saturday so i'll have to miss figures.

So! Without causing any arguments, 'cause I remember how easy it is to start them on MB's, which dancers/age groups should I be watching if I want to see some dancers who have placed high at Nationals and/or recalled internationally? I've kept an eye on how the girls from my former region and school have been doing at regional/national/international competitions but I'm quite unfamiliar with the names of any western region dancers who would still be dancing today. Since I figure the names of girls who frequently do well in competition are no secret, hopefully this type of request doesn't seem "creepy" or anything.

Also, how much is the admission price for non-dancers?

Thank you in advance for your help, and good luck to everyone preparing for the O! If you see a tall, twenty-something brunette crying her eyes out without any sign of a camp around her or ID school affiliation, don't worry! It's probably just me, all nostalgic and happy.

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- if you check results on feisworx -- www.feisworx, 20:07:39 11/13/09 Fri
- RAYNA! How are you? Sadly, I won't be at the Oireachtas this year, but hopefully we'll cross paths again soon! Have a blast in Denver for me. (NT) -- Your CA online BFF from long ago :), 20:25:47 11/13/09 Fri
  - Ohh HEYYY GIIIRL! KW I presume? Nice to "see" you lady, i'll do it up in Denver for both of us! (NT) -- Rayna, 20:36:24 11/14/09 Sat
    - Me too Me too! I was wondering if it was you until I saw "KW"'s post! (NT) -- a Utah Friend!!!!!, 11:57:53 11/16/09 Mon
      - Are you gonna be there?! (NT) -- Rayna, 16:40:21 11/17/09 Tue
- All of the age groups for girls on Sunday have World and NAN's placers, including medal holders. (NT) -- Can't go wrong, 21:35:47 11/13/09 Fri
- Maggie Darlington's age group is particularly entertaining to watch. The top 5 girls really really REALLY push eachother to be their ABSOLUTE best. The dancing is phenomenal in that group. Not sure what competition... Junior or Senior ladies (NT) -- sr dancer., 00:00:08 11/14/09 Sat
  - U20 (NT) -- :), 08:10:33 11/14/09 Sat
    - Nope, 20&O now. (NT) -- Time flies!, 17:20:31 11/14/09 Sat
      - No, the 1989 girls (Maggie D., Jillian McD., Devon N. etc) are U20. They're combined this year with the U19s born in 1990 (Melanie S. etc). Should be a fantastic competition for these Junior Ladies! (NT) -- Good luck to the U20s!, 18:14:32 11/14/09 Sat
        
        Think I'll just have to drop in and see this one. (NT) -- !, 20:55:50 11/14/09 Sat
      - We 20&Os have another year before being invaded. ;) (NT) -- Give us the time!!, 11:46:52 11/16/09 Mon
- If you get a chance, peek in on the guys. Their moves have also changed alot since 2004. (NT) -- Mom of 2 DSs, 00:19:19 11/14/09 Sat
- I would watch the U18 and U20 ladies. (NT) -- World Classs Talent!, 07:26:27 11/14/09 Sat
- U17 girls always a great group (NT) -- xx, 07:48:46 11/14/09 Sat
  - They of course are all good, but there is a very strong u17 group. For the group with the largest amount of contenders, meaning the largest group that has a legitimate chance at worlds qualification, I would say u15. Still, if I had one group to watch, and only one...u-17 (NT) -- enjoy!, 10:49:09 11/14/09 Sat
- WMH in U13, U15, U17, U18, 20 & O, (NT) -- Have fun!, 17:17:06 11/14/09 Sat
  - U13 not on Sunday though. (NT) -- Too bad-great group., 17:19:09 11/14/09 Sat
    - 3 WMH in U20 Ladies also (NT) -- Very high standard in a lot of WR groups, 18:24:09 11/14/09 Sat
    - Indeed, but if you were going to go to a show, and you had to pay money to see only one show, and the shows were called U-17, U-18, O-20 or U-13, which would you go see? That was the question. For their age, the younger dancers are very good. Think about how good they will be when they are U-18. I think that is what the person was asking. (NT) -- :), 20:27:22 11/14/09 Sat
- Oh, and admission is free. People now pay a family fee with their registration so organizers don't have to worry about wristbands. So Come! (NT) -- Utah Friend, 11:59:17 11/16/09 Mon
Oireachtas Venue -- ., 14:56:01 11/13/09 Fri [3]
Does anyone know if the Oireachtas venue will be entirely indoors? Or for example, will there be some outdoor corridors to go from one ballroom to the next?

It's time to start thinking about what clothes to bring for the competition!!

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- from what I understand from phoning the Hyatt, you have to walk across the street, outside, no walkway or covering. (NT) -- SoCalMama, 16:57:03 11/13/09 Fri
- Within the convention center, everything is covered and indoors. For more info on the venue, see http://www.denverconvention.com (NT) -- 6 days and counting!, 17:27:52 11/13/09 Fri
Dress Renting -- Stressed Out Mom, 12:26:22 11/13/09 Fri [11]
Due to various issues DD's new dress will not be ready for the O! We have been told that we could probably 'rent' one, which I don't have a problem with. I would like to hear from renters/rentees on what they charged/paid, for how many days, age of dress, and what area they are in. I am asking about area becuase I figure prices are higher in LA than say Arizona? I am trying to gauge how much $$ I am going to be out (on top of new solo dress that won't arrive in time). Thanks so much!

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- inside -- No name, 13:00:35 11/13/09 Fri
  - great idea on deducting from the dm that didn't come through. in my opinion there should be other parents out there like meself who would not charge you. but if i had to charge for a one day rental, as long as it's not on the same day my d dances, it would be $50-100. (NT) -- no eating, drinking or sitting in it--good luck!, 14:12:46 11/13/09 Fri
- Charge $100 to rent Gavin solo to others for a major (NT) -- dance mom, 14:26:43 11/13/09 Fri
- I really hope there is at least one kind soul in your school to help you out at no cost. (NT) -- pay it forward people!, 15:42:44 11/13/09 Fri
  - I agree...what an opportunity for one dancer to help another in an unfortunate situation. (NT) -- **, 15:59:11 11/13/09 Fri
- I think it is hard to find an exact fit in your own school sometimes. Also a champ level dancer would want a certain level dress -- Good luck, 16:34:48 11/13/09 Fri
  - Exactly, I believe that ZandB did a price comparison on the main board not too long ago. Something like: you pay $2500+ for the dress (once you factor in delivery fee, crystals, customs), divide by the number of wearings - maybe 10 if you're lucky - equals the amount paid per wearing - $250. -- Dress renter, 20:59:39 11/13/09 Fri
- Does she dance on Friday or Sunday? Is there someone from her school dancing on the other day that could rent you a dress? (NT) -- sad for you, 20:31:45 11/13/09 Fri
- Does your old one still fit? outr tc wont let us sell till we have new one in hand, maybe someone from older age group can lend you one (NT) -- good luck, 21:11:40 11/13/09 Fri
- OP here-the issue has been resolved and we have a dress. The ID community is wonderful and supportive! The info on dress rental fees was interesting though. Onto Denver-Yea! (NT) -- Stressed Out Mom, 10:24:47 11/14/09 Sat
Solo Dress For Sale -- Stephanie Stichler, 10:31:12 11/13/09 Fri [1]
Beautiful Black and Gold Bubble Style Dress for 7-8 year old. Original Owners. 1 year old dress. Covered with Hundreds of Swarovski Crystals.

Measurements:
Length (shoulder to hem): 23 inches long
Waist: 13 inches
Chest: 13 inches
Sleeve (neckline to cuff): 23 inches
Shoulder to end of bodice: 17.5 inches
Shoulder to end of skirt: 24 inches

This dress will be at the Western U.S. Regionals in Denver.

For pictures, please respond via email and I will send you several photos of dress and headband.

For more information, please contact Stephanie Stichler at sstichler@mac.com or 760-685-3436.

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Big Apple Feis 2010 -- Big Apple Feis Committee, 10:09:07 11/13/09 Fri [12]
Welcome Big Apple Feis 2010

13th & 14th March 2010

Hilton Hotel-
1335 Avenue of the Americas, New York, New York, United States 10019

Feis Rate: $179.00

Adjudicators

� Adrian Stewart Glasgow,Scotland
� Owen McAuley Glasgow,Scotland
� Bernard Hynes Dublin, Ireland
� Dan Armstrong Belfast, Ireland
� Jacqueline Kennedy-Bohill Belfast, Ireland
� Nathaile Devlin Wicklow, Ireland
� Sharon McCaul-Kelly Derry, Ireland
� Sharon O�Brien Limerick,Ireland
� Rosetta McConomy Derry, Ireland
� Elizabeth McConomy Derry, Ireland
� Kathleen Maguire-O'Shea London, England
� Mandy Hennigan-O'Loughlin London, England
� Michael Maguire London, England
� Tara Dey Birmingham, England
� Rose Fearon Toronto, Canada
� Sally Houston Canada
� Kathleen O�Conor-Rea California,U.S.A
� Maureen Bakkee Maryland, U.S.A
� Kate O�Neill PA, U.S.A
� Patrick O�Hare New York,U.S.A
� Helaine Sanders New York,U.S.A

Hope you can all join us in celebrating St.Patrick�s Day in New York!!

Great Dancing, Great Rates, Great Fun!!
E-Mail: bigapplefeis@usa.com

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- Everyone that matters in ID. Impressive. (NT) -- wow, 11:02:34 11/13/09 Fri
- In your opinion, everyone that matters, I happen to think that is a matter of opinion. Perhaps quite a few are influencial but certainly 'not matters' (NT) -- Thanks., 11:05:20 11/13/09 Fri
- Just saying it's an impressive group of AD's, not many feis or qualifiers can boast a list like that. No need to get in a twist about it. (NT) -- be happy, 11:10:57 11/13/09 Fri
- I have a question. How big is this feis? 21 adjudicators is more than our O. How can they afford to pay for this many adjudicators? (NT) -- Mom, 11:25:37 11/13/09 Fri
  - 3 adjudicators for B-1 through PW, 5 for Prelim and Open (NT) -- Not true, just starting rumors., 13:18:02 11/13/09 Fri
    - I don't understand your response. 3 + 5 + 5 = 13. Plus I don't get what you mean by "not true, just starting rumors." Can you explain? (NT) -- ??, 14:10:29 11/13/09 Fri
      - Wow. It is a joke. Okay. Here goes...If you had three judges at every stage, meaning 3 where you normally see only one (so 9 would be judging a B-1 u-10, U-11 and U-12 reel) then you might need that many judges. By "not true", I meant that what I had written was not true. (NT) -- Truely, 10:52:28 11/14/09 Sat
        
        So sorry I had trouble reading your mind. My question was a serious and respectful one, too bad your response wasn't. (NT) -- ., 14:13:49 11/14/09 Sat
        
        Wow, hun. Take the cob out, have a little sip of wine and try to relax. Maybe after O? (NT) -- just a little joke that you didn't get, 16:32:20 11/14/09 Sat
        Really. You got your panties wadded up over that? I suppose it is "O" season, but c'mon! And over some feis in the Eastern Region too. (NT) -- Wound way to tight for me., 16:44:31 11/14/09 Sat
- HOLY COW! How big is this feis? I have never seen this many ADCRGs at a feis in 10 years. (NT) -- CAMom, 09:00:02 11/16/09 Mon
Air travel advice please!! -- wheezy, 08:21:44 11/13/09 Fri [11]
I haven't flown in a long time. Will I have any trouble with medication in my carryon? I have several different things I need. An asthma inhaler (the kind that has a pill in it, that it crushes to be inhaled) and also the standard albuterol inhaler that makes a tiny mist. I also have a nasal decongestant inhaler. I suppose these do have liquid in them.

Anyone have any experience with traveling with these sorts of medication?

I hate to put them in my checked luggage, because if they are lost, I'm in trouble without them. One of the asthma inhalers is expensive... it isn't like I can just run out and get a new one. They cost $100 each, and have a months worth of doses in them.

Thanks for any advise.

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- Put them in a 1 quart Ziplock bag with anything else liquid (3.4 oz. or less) that you would like to board the plane with and pull the bag out when you go through the security x-ray machines. My dad does this every week flying to/from Philly. (NT) -- Good luck!, 08:37:39 11/13/09 Fri
- DON'T check meds!!!! You can put them in your carry on. If they are in liquid for just put them in a quart size bag, take out of carry on at security, they can look at it , then put back in carry on. If you just present those items when you go through security there are not issues. (NT) -- CaMom, 08:38:57 11/13/09 Fri
- Also, I think prescriptions should be kept in original pharmacy labeled containers. If you use those day of the week pill containers, you should wait until you arrive to load it up. (NT) -- Right?, 09:03:15 11/13/09 Fri
- thanks you! (NT) -- O,P., 09:05:03 11/13/09 Fri
- But it must be a QUART SIZE zip lock bag--not a gallon bag or a sandwich bag (NT) -- wr mom, 10:03:31 11/13/09 Fri
- If you go to any airlines website, they will have a detailed (some even with pictures) explanation of what is allowed and how it should be packaged (NT) -- play it safe, 10:52:08 11/13/09 Fri
- Make sure the prescription label is on the meds, you should be fine. If you are very worried you could have your MD write a note. (NT) -- RN, 11:04:35 11/13/09 Fri
- If you need to bring an extra bag for medications or medical devices a Dr's letter allows that extra bag. (NT) -- Do it all the time., 11:34:59 11/13/09 Fri
- I kept my abuterol in my purse and put my nasal decongestant in the quart ziplock bag with the rest of my liquid. If you get a freezer bag, instead of a sandwich bag, the plastic has more give and will stretch a little without ripping. -- bbb, 13:47:18 11/13/09 Fri
- Take what you need..more -- sickie, 14:57:46 11/13/09 Fri
Seeking travel advise from Denver Natives again!! -- THANKS!, 08:16:55 11/13/09 Fri [7]
OK. Please tell me if I have it right.

If we want to catch the Skyride Bus (it's a bus? right?) from the Airport to the hotel...

We should catch the AF line? And then get off at Market Street station and catch the 16th street Mall to get closest to the Hotel?

Is that correct. Or should we transfer to the light rail to get closer to the hotel?

THANKS THANKS THANKS!!

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- Denver advice -- M, 09:06:07 11/13/09 Fri
  - thank you.. and one more question.... Skyride is a bus? and just runs on a schedule. I don't need reservations or anything? Is it easy to find from the airport? Sorry so many questions... thing have been going wrong this week... I'm getting twitchy!! (NT) -- o,p,, 10:44:29 11/13/09 Fri
    - SkyRide is a bus, operated by RTD, our regional transportation service. From baggage claim, follow the signs to the bus/ground transportation area outside the building. Go to the RTD bus area (farthest from the building). Don't forget to have exact change! (NT) -- No name, 11:19:33 11/13/09 Fri
      - They told me the bus leaves once an hour at 10 minutes to the hour...9:50, 10:50, 11:50..etc... (NT) -- ..., 01:53:16 11/14/09 Sat
    - Complete schedule info is on their website. From the airport to downtown is Westbound; to the airport is Eastbound. -- If you miss, might be a wait, 12:33:33 11/13/09 Fri
- thanks for all the info gang! I appreciate your help! (NT) -- stressed out O.P., 08:32:01 11/14/09 Sat
Off topic--But has anyone ever heard of "Star Extras"? My 17 yo dd got an email to go to a casting call for "Eclipse". They want a photo downloaded. Is this for real? Or is this a scam? Counting on all you wonderful dance parents for any insight you might have. I have googled them, but no real info there. -- mom in colorado, 07:09:53 11/13/09 Fri [6]
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- If you Googled them and there isn't any real information, that should be a big clue. Any reputable firm is going to have at least a minor presence on the Web. If they ask you for money to use their services, run away. (NT) -- I'm skeptical, 07:51:05 11/13/09 Fri
  - Also, if you look at IMDB.com, as of 10/27/09 it shows that the movie Eclipse is in post-production for a 2010 release. I doubt they would still need extras at this point. You could always contact the movie production company to verify. If nothing else, they'd probably like to know that they're being used as part of a scam. (NT) -- Caution with unsolicted emails, 07:54:46 11/13/09 Fri
- umm, I googled it-here is the link -- http://starextras.com/, 10:31:02 11/13/09 Fri
  - They just want your money for a "membership". (NT) -- beware, 10:45:13 11/13/09 Fri
- DON'T DO IT! It's a scam, they want $$ upfront and will never, ever stop emailing or calling you! (NT) -- itk, 11:44:09 11/13/09 Fri
Dance Bush Gardens -- found on UK board, 15:41:47 11/12/09 Thu [1]
Irish Dancer Auditions at Busch Gardens Williamsburg -- Paul Russell (Hire Dancers), 12/11/09 22:19:36, Thu [1]
Busch Gardens Williamsburg Seeks Superior Skilled Irish Dancers for 2010 Season

Candidates must be of Open Championship level preferably World Qualifier or equivalent standard. Previous show experience and/or a background in performing arts are highly sought.
Full length photo, headshot and documents to verify identity and eligibility to work in the U.S. are required. Resume should include name, address, phone and email address, height, show experience, schools attended and summary of most notable achievements. Applicants must be at least 18 years of age. Please visit our web site for additional audition requirements:

http://www.talentsearchbgw.com.
Busch Gardens Williamsburg
Entertainment Casting Director
One Busch Gardens Blvd.
Williamsburg, VA 23187
Audition Hotline: 800-253-3302

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Stressed out? -- Ally and Nic, 15:24:41 11/12/09 Thu [1]
Of course you are, it's Oireachtas time! GOOD LUCK to all dancers competing at upcoming Oireachtasi, and all dance parents currently having anxiety attacks ;)

Would some free stuff help? Just tell us what's stressing you out over at our Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Heart-That-Dance/9887371055

TWO gift certificates of $25 will be awarded, one by random draw and one for the best answer, as determined by how much it makes us giggle. We'll do the draw on November 20th, so folks can use their winnings for Christmas presents if they like.

And yes, the gift certificates are for the shop (http://www.iheartthatdance.com) and not for Starbucks or the liquor store, sorry. I'll see what I can do for next year, LOL.

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Paying for teachers to attend "O" -- Curious, 14:07:22 11/12/09 Thu [48]
Do all schools ask their students/families to pay for their teacher (s) to attend the Oireachtas? I am talking about airfare and hotel.

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- no. ours does not. (NT) -- nor cal, 16:22:27 11/12/09 Thu
- Of course they do. Either through class fees, or through special assessments. (NT) -- poir, 16:22:37 11/12/09 Thu
- Ours does not either. (NT) -- Another NorCal Mom, 17:18:49 11/12/09 Thu
- Our school doesn't have any special fees. But I think travel money for the teacher may come out of the fundraising account. (NT) -- Denver dancer, 18:05:33 11/12/09 Thu
- Whether you realize it or not, one way or another everyone pays for their teachers to attend the O. Some schools charge a fee, others budget tuition to cover the costs of travel to majors. It makes sense to me. Just be glad you don't have to pay for their time at the O. (NT) -- Fair's fair, 19:33:23 11/12/09 Thu
  - You are wrong. We are never asked to pay more. I have talked to parents from many other school and our tuition is much lower that theirs. I know our teachers don't charge for it. As far as I am concerned, it's part of doing business. (NT) -- ..., 21:39:01 11/12/09 Thu
    - and part of doing business is making sure income covers expenses (NT) -- their time and travel should be paid for imo, 23:13:46 11/12/09 Thu
      - Why? So if everyone is paying, they should all receive the same amount of attention. Is it fair for one family to pay when the teacher doesn't even watch them? (NT) -- ..., 00:08:41 11/13/09 Fri
        
        No, it's not fair. I have heard families from a large school express sadness at the lack of interest shown by their teachers. However, this is not the issue at hand. (NT) -- good luck at the O, 06:13:06 11/13/09 Fri
        
        Then I guess I am at a school where we don't have the extra fees and our teachers run from ballroom to ballroom to watch every dancer. (NT) -- :) :) :), 07:55:56 11/13/09 Fri
        
        I always think its fun, ever since we started paying extra fees for the teacher to attend majors, I've never seen them before I danced. -- kinda funny, 22:48:37 11/13/09 Fri
  - well obviously they pay for the trip with money they make at their business... that is different than charging an extra fee. (more) -- x, 08:00:26 11/13/09 Fri
- Curious -- Wondering how long we can continue? (SAD), 19:44:50 11/12/09 Thu
  - What? (NT) -- Don't get it, 20:36:11 11/12/09 Thu
- We don't pay any extra for our TC's to attend any majors. All cost are out of their own pocket....documented as business expenses on their taxes. (NT) -- no assessments either!!!, 21:04:43 11/12/09 Thu
  - We don't either and we are a small school. (NT) -- thank goodness, 21:08:26 11/12/09 Thu
- I have been asked to pay $100 for every major - for years and years (NT) -- by different teachers, 04:28:49 11/13/09 Fri
- $25 per dancer. I agree it should be a business expense written off on taxes but at the same time, it's not within a parent's control, this isn't something you're told up front when joining a school. Glad our tc isn't gouging like some do. (NT) -- could be worse, 06:04:09 11/13/09 Fri
- I disagree with those that think the TC's should pay out of their personal funds and write it off as a business expense. If you had out of town business meetings to attend, would you expect your company to pay for the trip, or pay out of your own funds? (NT) -- should be paid from the company/school coffers, 06:20:39 11/13/09 Fri
  - Disagree. Should be based on how TC sets up the business. This is up to TC to figure out, NOT paying customers (more) -- CPAMom, 06:50:57 11/13/09 Fri
    - Meant to say, they MAY get more tax benefits. Really depends on how the business is structured. Hopefully they all have good accountants. (NT) -- CPAMom, 06:52:47 11/13/09 Fri
    - Maybe some of them aren't paying taxes? (NT) -- just-a-thought, 07:04:04 11/13/09 Fri
      - IME, they are not the sharpest business people, but hopefully they are paying taxes! (NT) -- Audit anyone?, 07:05:02 11/13/09 Fri
      - so much 'paying in cash' at our school (NT) -- under the tax radar I'm sure!, 07:39:11 11/13/09 Fri
    - I find it surprising that a CPA would expect someone to run a business where income is less than expenses. -- No dummy, 07:56:44 11/13/09 Fri
      - I never said I expected that. I was responding to the comment about it's wrong to have TCs write off costs as business expenses (more) -- CPAMom, 08:00:41 11/13/09 Fri
        
        OK--I guess I got the idea that you were saying if it was a "write off" then parents didn't pay. Yes, I agree with you, using the write off is totally legitimate. No matter what way teachers account for travel expenses (write off, business expense, travel reimbursement), parents pay. (NT) -- You're right, 08:15:58 11/13/09 Fri
  - Yes.... the BUSINESS should cover the cost. If McDonald's sends their manager to a company meeting, they do not tack a 10cent surcharge on your burger order. If they have to raise the price... they can... but that is different than an extra fee -- because you see the price (like the tuition) on the menu, and you shouldn't expect to pay more. (NT) -- basic business, 08:05:04 11/13/09 Fri
    - The problem I have seen over the years is that TCs attending major competitions does not benefit all dancers, only those competing. As such, the cost shouldn't be spread over all dancers through tuition costs. Should champion dancers who can't attend also be burdened with the cost? Our current TC takes a dual approach, tuition cost per hour higher for champ classes. And there is a small assessment fee for those attending majors. (NT) -- Seems fair, 08:27:29 11/13/09 Fri
      - I guess I would be fine with the teacher choosing to add a fee if they were very upfront about it, it was a SMALL amount, and we had lots of notice (more) -- basic business., 09:11:36 11/13/09 Fri
        
        The bottom line is - you are paying their way. Be it through tuition, fund raising/feis profits, higher salaries, etc. It's only a question of how TCs package it and whether they share with parents their finances. (NT) -- TCs have to cover their costs and live, 10:19:07 11/13/09 Fri
        
        yes, but some make way more $$ than others... (NT) -- xxxx, 00:23:15 11/14/09 Sat
- For other sports in which my kids have participated at an elite level, we are assessed directly for all travel costs of coachss (in some cases, including the lost wages for the coaches while traveling). (NT) -- very expensive, 08:32:17 11/13/09 Fri
- Our dancers are asked to participate in many, many performances throughout the year which our TC is paid for. I think their travel expenses should come out of this and not our pockets. (NT) -- Annoyed, 09:02:57 11/13/09 Fri
  - Seriously. The kids dance for free at dance outs. TCs get paid for our kids to dance. (more) -- Enough, 10:16:48 11/13/09 Fri
    - Wow, sounds like our TC. No handbook, no communication unless they need something from you. And now springing this on everyone less than a month before the "O." I am so tired that everytime I turn around they want my time (and DD's time) and my $$. (NT) -- Broke ID Mom, 12:58:17 11/13/09 Fri
  - I agree, especially if it's called a "fundraiser".....has anyone ever asked before who it is exactly we are raising funds for? (NT) -- hopefully not a bar tab, 15:45:40 11/13/09 Fri
    - LOL (NT) -- Broke ID Mom, 15:53:51 11/13/09 Fri
    - Yes, this. I still am in awe of the party scene I saw at the bar in Philly -- my kid's first Worlds. Now wonder they need extra money for majors. (NT) -- Bottoms up!, 16:56:19 11/13/09 Fri
- nattering nabobs of negativism (NT) -- spiro, 19:46:15 11/13/09 Fri
  - ??????? (NT) -- ?, 23:24:17 11/13/09 Fri
    - A quotation from the 70s by Vice President Spiro Agnew referring to journalists. He felt they were always complaining instead of looking at good things that were going on. (NT) -- 'nuff said, 06:41:52 11/14/09 Sat
      - He also had to resign because it turned out the journalists were right ; he was corrupt. (NT) -- Old enough to remember, 07:28:34 11/14/09 Sat
        
        Yeah, he was no paragon of virtue. No wonder he didn't want the journalists investigating that he took bribes. Not a very good example if you want to say your TC's money skills are sound and ethical. (NT) -- Oldster here too, 07:45:11 11/14/09 Sat
        
        I assumed that the Nattering poster was referring to those that she/he feel always want to complain, not necessarily their TC's business practices. (NT) -- different interpretation, 18:01:13 11/14/09 Sat
        
        Well, yeah, but it was an ironic choice, perhaps intentionally so, because Agnew didn't like negative journalists because he had something to hide. I get what the quote means -- quoting a corrupt guy in the context of this thread, however, is funny. (NT) -- Oldster again, 19:34:51 11/14/09 Sat
  - Actually it is thought that the credit for that line should be given to William Safire, the great wordsmith - (NT) -- who was looking in his pocket?, 20:03:07 11/14/09 Sat
�Champtrax� � a new CD from Mark Arrington. This has some unique features: -- Mark Arrington, 13:26:32 11/12/09 Thu [1]
-The first 12 tracks are An Coimisiun championship length tunes played once, twice, and three times through, so a prelim/open dancer can practice their steps up to three times without stopping and still have a definite ending. If dancing in succession, the tunes change or end when the steps end. The last four tracks are �standard� long tracks of tunes like most feis CDs.
-It�s very traditional, as in The Chieftains, Bothy Band, Altan, De Danann etc.
-I play all the instruments except for the squeaky chair and the bark (see below).
-I didn�t realize until the final mix that my dog Merry (bichon frise), makes an appearance in one of the tunes! The first person to find Merry will receive a free copy of my set dance CD �Kick It Up A Notch!�

- Until the end of the year, you also get one free set dance when you order Champtrax!

It�s available on my site www.markarringtonmusic.com. In a month or so it will be on iTunes.

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What is the average # minutes to get from the Hyatt lobby to the stage in the Convention Center? with heels and without? -- debating, 13:26:19 11/12/09 Thu [2]
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- Lol, i have been wondering same thing. Trying to figure out what to pack. Because possible rain on Sunday, i think I will go without heels (NT) -- too funny, 10:53:13 11/14/09 Sat
Has anybody had problems trying to bring their dance shoes as a carry on? Is the NTSA afraid that you'll knock someone out with a hard shoe or strangle someone with a soft shoe? -- =), 12:23:57 11/12/09 Thu [10]
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- I have never had any problems...but I do think I could do more damage with a hard shoe then I could with a pair of nail clippers!!! (NT) -- jus sayin', 12:28:25 11/12/09 Thu
- I've had a couple of times (out of many) where the nails in the heel of the hard shoe have triggered an investigation of my bag (NT) -- interestingly enough, 13:22:59 11/12/09 Thu
  - But never been forced to check the shoes or told that they were considered a weapon? (NT) -- lol, 13:41:27 11/12/09 Thu
    - No, just wierd looks when I explained what they were. Fortunately I didn't have to explain the monstrous wig that goes along with it all! (NT) -- :), 14:18:19 11/12/09 Thu
    - Ohh. Explaining the wig. . . I've had to explain that no, I did not have a dulcimer in my dress bag (NT) -- lol, 14:29:02 11/12/09 Thu
- We had a problem once shortly after 9/11 when the hard shoes were in the same backback with the curly-tailed light attachment for a gameboy. Apparently looked very suspicious on the x-ray and caused quite a stir. (NT) -- Keep electronics separate, 14:47:01 11/12/09 Thu
- Did have a friend who had to go back and check the shoes because there were nails in the bottom! (NT) -- ., 14:50:54 11/12/09 Thu
  - Nails on the bottom. . . hahahaha. As a weapon, they'd be far better to clobber someone with than stab them with nails or something. (NT) -- hahaha NTSA sorta cracks me up, 15:24:37 11/12/09 Thu
- We had to go thru a special screening with the hard shoes, but in the end think we got thru security faster...LOL! (NT) -- noname, 19:36:10 11/15/09 Sun

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