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I'm curious~ How many of you out there are at a school where they have the rule-"You must be on a team to be allowed to dance your solos at the "o" ?" And what do you all think of this? Any conflicts? -- interested observer, 06:26:44 06/06/08 Fri [158]
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- For certain TCRGs who might think "so-and-so" posted this, I didn't!!! -- Really!, 06:34:06 06/06/08 Fri
  - That's really funny! Thanks for the laugh! (NT) -- I can relate!, 12:01:54 06/07/08 Sat
- It is a common rule, and I think it promotes teamwork. We have been to a couple of schools, and this was always the case. (NT) -- I think it is a good thing, 06:54:39 06/06/08 Fri
  - It's not always a good thing, at least at our school. Last several years, dd's team has come in way at the bottom of the pack, mostly because they're a mish-mash of abilities and they don't start practicing until Sept. Why should a dancer want to put in the hours of practice (and the parents a boatload of money) when they are set up to fail from the start? (NT) -- wish TCs took teams seriously, 16:36:41 06/06/08 Fri
- We don't have this rule,but I personally think it's a good rule, it encourages teamwork as opposed to the solo mentality. (NT) -- id mom, 06:58:25 06/06/08 Fri
  - Dancer has been on years of wonderful teams and awful, difficult teams. 1 a.m. practices. Nans podium. Great comaraderie. And complete chaos. Huge expenses. Endless fundraising. Now just wants to do solos. Is there something wrong with her wanting to do that? (NT) -- Advice appreciated., 21:05:37 06/06/08 Fri
- At our school it is not REQUIRED unless you are needed for a team, then you must participate on the team to dance solos. Some who would love to dance on a team do not have the opportunity because there is not a space for them. Only Open, Prelim and some PW go to the O for the most part, (NT) -- and siblings usually, 07:06:02 06/06/08 Fri
- If teams are required, are exceptions made for special circumstances? If so, what might those be? (NT) -- ., 07:26:52 06/06/08 Fri
- What if a dancer is really set against teams - or can't afford teams - should she/he be forced to sacrifice all the hard work put into solos? Just because someone is a good solo dancer, doesn't make him/her a good team dancer. I'd rather have my DD dance on a team with other dancers who really want to be there. (NT) -- Like other post - best teacher may not be the top soloist., 07:33:22 06/06/08 Fri
  - Last year we had a prima donna champ who didn't want to be there--grumpy, bossy, wouldn't smile, etc., etc.--TC didn't back down. AS IT TURNED OUT, that dancer came around (at the last major they danced) and the team did extremely well. It was a HUGE lesson to the other team members in how to pull together, how to be patient with unpleasant people, and how to encourage them to come on board. Sometimes I think we shelter our kids too much from unpleasant experiences--we need to use them as teaching tools for life lessons & character building. As to the $$ issue...(inside)... -- --, 07:49:45 06/06/08 Fri
    - Should anyone be forced to be a part of the grand experiment? You might not want to trade it for anything, but that doesn't mean others should be forced to live it with you. And "use them as teaching tools?" Ick. -- ., 09:53:44 06/09/08 Mon
- The rule @ our school is that you must dance on a team to do solos. At one point I didn't want my kids doing teams--didn't need one more class to go to. BUT, now that both my dancers have danced teams, I am a hearty supporter of the requirement. It is a WONDERFUL experience, and builds stronger solo dancers. The technique drilling & required cooperation among the dancers is humbling, strengthening, and builds a comaraderie in the school that you don't have with just solos. A very good idea... (NT) -- IMHO, 07:38:06 06/06/08 Fri
  - I just think that the schools should carefully consider WHY kids don't or can't do teams before they make a blanket rule. . (more) -- x, 14:33:40 06/06/08 Fri
    - Sounds like you have a dancer who just doesn't want to--that's your choice, but don't expect teachers to run school based upon your unwillingness to participate in teams. I also find it hard to believe that your TCs would not take distance into account--perhaps by having teams by location? Are you affected by the distance? If not, step up to the plate, have your dancer join a team, and enjoy the ride--I didn't want to fuss with teams until we did it. It was a fabulous experience--a stretch commitment-wise, yes--but worth it. Don't use a hypothetical "unfair for distance dancers" argument to justify your position, unless you're the affected party. And, if you are, talk to your TC about it. (NT) -- JMHO, 08:14:03 06/16/08 Mon
  - Should every competitive dancer have to do it for 5, 10, 12, 15 years? Or should there be a point where a dancer is given a choice based on their past servitude/service? (NT) -- ?, 12:57:50 06/09/08 Mon
- What schools are people with who have this rule? (NT) -- Thanks., 07:58:23 06/06/08 Fri
  - The big C's! That's why they win most of the team competitions. (NT) -- Loving Teams!, 08:42:45 06/06/08 Fri
    - Comerford requires teams for all soloists? What other schools? (NT) -- ., 09:05:11 06/06/08 Fri
      - McTeggart does in our region (not Western). I think it's a great rule. My dd has learned as much from her teams experience as from her solos. She has built lasting friendships with her teammates and enjoys teams. (NT) -- mctma, 09:21:31 06/06/08 Fri
    - Just "requiring teams" is not what makes the teams great. I bet there are some kids who quit or transfer because of these rules as well. (NT) -- just a thought, 10:20:38 06/09/08 Mon
      - yep, diva's do the "school shuffle" if required to do teams as well as solos at O's. They think only of themselves, so if they transfer don't let the door hit your hiney on the way out! (NT) -- goodriddance, 10:56:49 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I really, really need your advice. -- more, 11:27:42 06/09/08 Mon
        
        she isn't wrong. she is being sensible. I wish you luck, and hope her teachers will allow her to train just for solos -- which can be done on one class a week, if the dancer practiced on their own. I would be VERY VERY disappointed in a teacher who would not support a dancer in this situation. (NT) -- good luck, 13:14:01 06/09/08 Mon
        
        there are exceptions to every rule and yours would be one of them. I'm talking about the dancers that I've known (all under college age) who think that are above dancing teams. In your case I would ask the TC. If she says that your college-age dd still has to do teams then I would say that is wrong. Within a narrow confine and in you situation only because there are always exceptions to rules. (NT) -- doesthatansweryour?, 10:37:17 06/10/08 Tue
        
        Have you talked to your teacher about this? -- :), 01:19:05 06/11/08 Wed
        
        Have had multiple conversations. Here's the thing about a little bit more for teams: -- more, 07:06:38 06/11/08 Wed
- How often does your school teams practice? (NT) -- Curious Mom, 09:21:44 06/06/08 Fri
- What happens when champ dancers get busy with real-world life--jobs, higher education, other activities, and might be paying their own gas/dance/other expenses? Do they give up dance completely because they don't have time to do both teams/solos, or just not go to majors? (NT) -- tough choice, 09:34:41 06/06/08 Fri
  - It's called life--must make tough choices all along. My dd had to forego Worlds team this year (which ended up placing) because of other committments. Tough choice, but it happens. She didn't give up dance--just the competitive side for a season. (NT) -- It happens., 09:53:40 06/06/08 Fri
    - What if there is time/money for solos, but not for teams, which require a different level of time/commitment? (NT) -- ?, 10:10:12 06/06/08 Fri
      - It's a dilemma, but a choice that has to be made. How important is ID vs other activities? OK to back off ID for awhile if other things need to take center stage for awhile. Or, if ID is more important now, need to let other things go for a time (our DS made that choice--other activities suffered because ID was top of list). Not easy. (NT) -- Choices can be tough., 11:43:25 06/06/08 Fri
        
        but WHY does this particular choice have to be made?? Is dancing on a team really THAT important in the grand scheme of things?? (NT) -- sorry, just don't understand., 14:40:00 06/06/08 Fri
        
        Obviously it is to the teachers who enforce this policy... -- Aine, 09:45:11 06/07/08 Sat
        
        I agree with some of what you say. Artistically figure dancing is part of Irish dancing... but financially, the figure classes are usually completely seperate, as are the extra days at Majors... it still comes down to expense-- your ideas of making your tuition inclusive is a step in the right direction. (NT) -- x, 13:35:51 06/07/08 Sat
        Teach ceilis in class. You've covered your mission statment. But to then force dancers to compete on teams? How is that promoting the "heart of the Irish dancing tradition?" (NT) -- Confused., 09:57:33 06/09/08 Mon
        
        Because ceili is the heart of irish dancing tradition. It is not just something to goof around with in class when you have some spare time. It is something to take seriously, work hard at and try to perfect. It is just an important part of irish dance as solo dancing. Anyone who fails to see that is a diva. Maybe you have personal reasons not to be on a team, whatever, but if your reasoning is teams just aren't as important as solos, then your attitude is getting in the way. (NT) -- g.t.t., 01:07:46 06/11/08 Wed
        
        So, if someone doesn't agree with your specific viewpoint (and, interestingly, none of my TCs would) they get called a name, etc. You're so much fun! Let us all know when you open your own school so we know who to avoid, please. (NT) -- Thanks., 11:37:21 06/11/08 Wed
        
        If your TCRGs don't believe ceili dancing is important part of traditional dancing, then they must not know alot about the history of irish dance. There's a reason the test consists of so much ceili dancing, because CLRG thinks it is an important aspect of the art form to perserve, not just because they want to cram the book. -- g.t.t., 12:10:17 06/11/08 Wed
        
        that is not what the poster said... YOUR post said that anyone who doesn't think Ceili is important is a Diva.... (more) -- x, 14:55:49 06/11/08 Wed
        
        High-five! Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. (NT) -- Well said., 15:42:50 06/11/08 Wed
        
        At our school, teams aren't as important as solos. There are no ceili classes offered at all during the year. Yet, when the "O" comes around, they haphazardly throw teams together, practice for 2 months, and then wonder why they didn't do better. Why would a dancer want to do teams under these circumstances? (NT) -- yet, it's do teams or no solos, 12:12:52 06/11/08 Wed
        
        well that was my point below regarding why some schools have gungho students for teams and for other is pulling teeth. If you don't treat ceili dancing as important as solo dancing, then people are not going to want to do it. -- g.t.t., 12:50:01 06/11/08 Wed
        Not us! We avoid contact sports. (NT) -- ., 16:08:01 06/11/08 Wed
      - Nicely, other than costume cost (dress or male outfit) for dancers, our ID school charges minimal for team practices, as in very minimal. They are also held immediately after the prizewinner level classes, and immediately before the champ level classes, so no additional night of driving to and from. (NT) -- perhaps your ID school could consider this, 14:45:09 06/09/08 Mon
- Why does Irish dance have to be so "all or nothing"?? I would rather see a dance continue with solo dancing, and forgo teams if that is what they enjoy/or can afford/or class times work, than see them quit all together... I just don't get the "devote your life to this, or nothing" attitude. (more) -- jkl, 14:38:16 06/06/08 Fri
  - I could have written the above. I think teams are great but don't think a dancer should be forced under the threat of not being able to dance solos. There are many factors that go into teams; time, money, distance AND the dancer's personal feelings on it. We've had lots of experience with teams including the good the bad & the ugly. (NT) -- I believe it should still be a choice., 15:25:35 06/06/08 Fri
  - Some people think that since teams (ceili dances) are the traditional part of Irish Dancing, its more important to promote and continue the tradition then to keep one dancer doing solos. (NT) -- Aine, 09:47:37 06/07/08 Sat
    - But, if a dance quits -- because they aren't allowed to do solos, and CAN'T do teams (cost, time, etc) then that doesn't promote ANY kind of Irish dancing. My dd knows all 6 of the traditional set dances used in competition.... (more) -- x, 13:31:38 06/07/08 Sat
    - New dancers starts class. Would you hit them with this? See inside. -- ., 08:40:20 06/09/08 Mon
      - solos are about self that is why they are called solos. If we gave most champs the choice they wouldn't do teams. A requirement to do teams if you're doing solos is a good one. A school can't exist without students and if a school only gears itself towards a few champs it won't last. Teams is to give others a chance to dance at the O and I think it's great for promoting Irish culture. (NT) -- aschoolisn'tjustU, 11:01:18 06/09/08 Mon
        
        How about teams being for people who want to do them? What does it say when you have to force people to participate, or else, especially your top dancers? If you have to force them, then maybe doing teams isn't quite "all that and a bag of chips." (NT) -- Another view., 11:40:36 06/09/08 Mon
        bfoc no longer does teams, still has many top dancers (NT) -- me, 12:37:44 06/09/08 Mon
        All this time I thought ID schools were about teaching Irish dance and growing dancers, not 'geared toward a few champs.' So, you're saying Irish dance is all about doing teams at the O, and that's the school's bread and butter? And about promoting Irish culture...last time I checked the average Irishman on the streets of Belfast wasn't looking forward to ceili dancing at the O and probably couldn't dance one bar of Trip to the Cottage if their life depended on it. (NT) -- Who knew?!, 12:52:54 06/09/08 Mon
        Actually, most of the solo dancers at DD's ID school were excited to do teams again this upcoming year. Perhaps what you say is true for your school or the schools you know, but it's not true for ALL. (NT) -- and none are forced to, it's optional, 14:46:53 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I think that may be the difference. Many will WANT to do teams if they have the choice. (NT) -- x, 21:18:33 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I think it matters on the school and on the emphasis put on teams versus the emphasis put on solos. -- g.t.t, 01:23:53 06/11/08 Wed
        
        So, Irish dancing is all about the school's desires rather than the needs and wants of the dancers? Sounds like a dictatorship or totalitarianism to me. If the school paid the dancers, then they certainly should have a say in what the dancers do, but that's not the reality of the situation. Dancers pay to be taught to dance, and therefore should have freedom to dance where, and when, they like. (NT) -- Yes? No?, 11:48:41 06/11/08 Wed
        
        But that's like when you get a new beginner who has seen Riverdance and wants to jump straight into hardshoes. If they don't want to bother with softshoe, then why should the school make them bother with it? They should be able to just jump into hardshoes because that's what they want to do, and ignore softshoe? -- g.t.t., 12:17:15 06/11/08 Wed
        
        You are twisting reality. Prove that ceili dancing is recognized anywhere as being necessary for doing solo Irish dancing, and must be done in order to be an Irish dancer. I think you're making up "musts" to suit your personal preference. And no dance school I've ever seen has ever required ballet in order to participate in other dance forms. Not one. Zip, zero, zilch. (NT) -- Apples and Oranges, 15:53:39 06/11/08 Wed
        
        Really, because all of the ones I went to did. Visit the dance.net teacher boards and see how many studios require ballet. Any top competitive mainstream dance school does. -- g.t.t., 17:35:00 06/11/08 Wed
        
        You information is incorrect. I'm sure SOME schools do require ballet...but I bet the numbers are small. Many teachers are flat out against ballet training, and that's a fact. (NT) -- x, 08:11:58 06/12/08 Thu
        
        Wow, I guess that is just the law of averages then because I've never met a mainstream dance teacher who was against ballet. EVER. I'm not talking about irish dance here, but the regular, mainstream, tap, jazz, shake what you mom gave you, tons of different styles dance studio. I've been involved in that world just as long as I've been involved in irish dance, and I have many peers who do mainstream dancing so my circle is pretty wide, and I've NEVER heard of a single one of them who are against ballet training, and the majority of them require it. -- g.t.t., 12:31:59 06/12/08 Thu
        
        OK... on this I will re-state... I mis-understood your statement. I meant that there aren't many IRISH DANCE teachers that require Ballet. I do agree that most other forms of dance (tap, Jazz, modern, ballroom etc.) value, and even require ballet for high level study. That has not been my experience with Irish though... quite the opposite, most ID teachers are "anti-ballet". (NT) -- x, 17:07:41 06/12/08 Thu
        
        Well good, because that was what I was talking about. So see we agree! -- g.t.t., 22:18:30 06/12/08 Thu
        
        Were people saying this was unique to WEstern Region? I missed that. I don't see how figure dancing is important to solo dancing, in the same way that Ballet is important for modern dance. On that we disagree. -- x, 00:05:44 06/13/08 Fri
      - Wow--you must live high on the hog when you travel with your dancer!! $20 per meal?? And 5 majors per year--who does that?? Even if you do the O, NANs, Worlds & AI, that's only 4 majors. And why is fundraising not an option? Your post is not a true reflection of our experience. Maybe you need to budget better?? (NT) -- --, 08:27:35 06/16/08 Mon
- At our school we are required to rent the teams dress for several hundred dollars. It doesn't matter if you dance on one team or multiple teams, the cost is the same (about 2/3 the cost of a school dress). The rental is only good for one season of competition then you must rent it again for the next year. (NT) -- I feel like I'm being held hostage financially, 15:33:19 06/06/08 Fri
- What schools other than Claddagh in the WR require soloists to do teams and where are they located? (NT) -- Curious, 16:54:16 06/06/08 Fri
- I think it's a great policy to tell you the truth. It's kind of on the same par as being part of a semi-professional dance company. Group dancing only helps your solo work, is the best training for a dance company, a show and FOR LIFE (NT) -- GOOD policy, 05:02:32 06/07/08 Sat
  - Teams are great, but required teams are not. It's fine if you can afford it, make all the practices. It's a much more difficult time commitment, because there is no flexibilty in the practice schedule. If you want to do teams, and are willing and able to make the commitment, it is a wonderful experience. But if you really can't, and there are many good reasons why people just can't, it really is plain stupid to force a dancer out of solos. (NT) -- anon, 07:35:06 06/07/08 Sat
  - But are you really reading some of the posts above? for instance... do you think that my dd should have to quit competing solos, because we live 2 1/2 hours away from the studio where figure dancing is practiced?? Do you REALLY think that would be the right thing?? (NT) -- travelingmom, 13:37:49 06/07/08 Sat
    - Notice that you didn't get an answer to your question? That says a lot, doesn't it? (NT) -- hmmm., 10:00:50 06/09/08 Mon
      - yes, I think ID is becoming and elitist activity. Thank goodness, my school doesn't have this rule, and my dd CAN continue to enjoy dancing and competing. But I'm sure there are others in our situation who DO NOT have the choice, and I think that is just sad. (NT) -- travelingmom, 10:28:51 06/09/08 Mon
        
        Are you telling us that the teams studio is separate from the solos studio? And it's 2.5hrs away? Where do you dance solos? I find it hard to believe what you are posting. If you can travel 2.5hrs for solos you can do the same for teams. (NT) -- there'syouranswer, 11:03:38 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I think you're smart enough to realize it's about more than driving, though adding another 2.5 hours a day or two a week isn't something everyone can do. (NT) -- you are smarter than that, right?, 11:42:36 06/09/08 Mon
        Yes, the studio where team dancing classes are held are over 2 hours from our home. There are also solo classes at that location, but those are not the classes we attend. We attend classes that are 1 hour, and 1 1/2 hour from our home, where only solo dancing is offered. A dancer can train as a solo dancer without attending THAT particular location. To do Teams, you MUST attend that location. Luckily, our teacher is rational and understands we can't ALL attend for figures. (more) -- travelingmom, 13:21:00 06/09/08 Mon
        
        When you guys first started at your schools was the TC clear as to what would be required for teams/solos? If yes then how can you complain about it now? If the rules changed once you joined the school then you have a legitimate beef otherwise you will either need to switch schools or live with what you signed up for. (NT) -- smartgirl, 10:40:39 06/10/08 Tue
        
        read the last line of my post,,,, I'm not complaining... (NT) -- right?, 19:49:40 06/10/08 Tue
  - A dancer chooses to be part of a dance company, and is paid. Different from being required to do and having to pay for the honor. (NT) -- Apples and Oranges, 09:44:57 06/09/08 Mon
    - Yes, and not every kid who wants to take Irish dance and have a great, fun hobbie is making a "career choice" sized commitment to this. (NT) -- sigh, 10:27:17 06/09/08 Mon
    - HAHAHAHAHA, my DD is thrilled and honored to be part of a performing ID dance troupe. None are paid. I think it depends upon the troupe. She's getting fantastic experience and loves it, and also chose to do teams as she grew up dancing ceili/set and enjoys the social aspects. (NT) -- she'll do solos this year for 1st time, 14:49:05 06/09/08 Mon
      - I think they were referring to professional companies like Riverdance, or Trinity. Which is a whole different thing from a schools "performance" team or company. (NT) -- my understanding of post, 23:01:46 06/16/08 Mon
- DD HATES teams. She's danced with these girls for years -- ), 05:13:51 06/07/08 Sat
  - Totally agree with jkl who posted above. Thanks for saying it so well. And to force a dancer to do teams in order to dance solos is RIDICULOUS. Really, how dare they? Are they paying our dancers or is it the other way around? So tired of the drink the Kool-Aid factor in Irish dancing. (NT) -- a, 15:12:42 06/07/08 Sat
  - When my dd (now graduated) danced teams, she had Saturday practices, and still had time to have her hair & nails done for prom (OK--she did her own nails, but they looked great). As stressful as the teams were, she is so glad she took part. And in our experience, the "bonding" was VERY different on the team, even tho' she'd danced with these girls for years, also. (NT) -- --, 13:37:56 06/16/08 Mon
- Bottom line...if your dancer does not enjoy (or "hates") teams, then you are with the wrong school. Our school requires teams for soloists and most of the girls, including my daughter and her friends, enjoy them to no end and get so much out of the experience. There is nothing wrong with a school that requires you to do teams, just as there is nothing wrong with a dancer not enjoying them. But again, if you don't enjoy teams and you're with a "big on teams" school, you're with the wrong school. (NT) -- Simple as that, 18:46:27 06/07/08 Sat
  - Often, it is the only school around, so you're stuck. (NT) -- ., 19:15:39 06/07/08 Sat
    - Exactly. "Wrong school" poster, can you address that? (NT) -- Thanks., 20:54:07 06/08/08 Sun
  - just confirming... so you think it is perfectly OK for a school to penalize a dancer, and force them out of solo dancing because they CAN'T afford to participate in team dancing? Is that really what you are saying? (NT) -- just checking., 20:52:15 06/08/08 Sun
    - Not the above poster, but if that's your situation, you are at the wrong school. Find another where your dd won't have to do teams. Easier said than done, I know, but that's your best alternative if teams have become such a thorn in your side. (NT) -- sorry about your situation, though, 21:20:17 06/08/08 Sun
      - No, My school does not force people to do teams. I just find it surprizing that so many people think it is "OK" to force kids out of Irish dance because they are not wealthy. There are a number of places where changing schools is just not physically possible. Not asking for advise, but rather asking people to think about it from a moral standpoint. (NT) -- just checking., 22:30:21 06/08/08 Sun
        
        An ID school is a private enterprise, so yes, they can establish whatever policies they choose. It is my CHOICE as a parent to accept or not accept those policies. I choose not, for example, to have my dd at a school that requires a new Gavin each year. (NT) -- I don't consider this a "moral" issue, 06:38:20 06/09/08 Mon
        
        A private enterprise is "entitled" to make this choice... What I am asking is... "Do you think it is RIGHT"? I didn't say it was illegal, I think it is wrong. I run a similar business, and I just would never do this to people. (more) -- just checking, 10:44:33 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I think I love you. Thanks for posting. (NT) -- :-), 11:33:00 06/09/08 Mon
        
        Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Did I say Bravo?! (NT) -- ., 12:06:37 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I do agree. No dancer should be forced to compete, nor forced to compete in solos, nor forced to compete in teams. Besides, not all solo dancers will match up in a team. Would the dancer get more out of it? Hopefully so, of course. But, require it? No. (NT) -- with you on this one, 14:51:41 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I see where she's coming from. To make a blanket requirement that punishes a talented dancer who has invested years of hard work toward attaining their goals does become an issue. Might be more an ethical than moral issue, though. And it is especially difficult if the rule didn't exist when the dancer/parents signed on for the ID experience. (NT) -- jmho, 13:09:44 06/09/08 Mon
      - It's not that teams are a thorn in our side, dd would actually love to do them, but she plays sports and can't. As has been said, I really resent the all or nothing mindset of irish dancing lately. -- /, 04:48:49 06/09/08 Mon
      - Has it occurred to you that ID schools aren't everywhere? For many there isn't a choice of schools. So,it's better to force a dancer out of dance altogether? Address that, please. Doing teams and solos is much more expensive/time consuming than just doing solos. (NT) -- ., 06:44:23 06/09/08 Mon
        
        What do you want us to say? We are sorry that this is not working out for you, but there is nothing we can do or say that will change your reality. It is not up to parents on a mb to change your teacher's behavior and let your dd out of doing teams. (NT) -- agree, it's unfortunate situation, 16:55:55 06/09/08 Mon
        
        Talking about tights got those in power to reconsider, maybe finding out how parents and dancers really feel about teams/solos will do the same thing. (NT) -- You think?, 17:49:05 06/09/08 Mon
        
        I can assure you that my opinion, positive or negative, regarding mandatory teams matters not at all to your dd's TC. (NT) -- sorry for your situation, though, 18:55:50 06/09/08 Mon
        
        no, but if enough parents refused to accept the "required figure" rule, pretty soon they would not have as many students, and would not make as much money, and THAT would get their attention! (NT) -- money talks, 21:22:13 06/09/08 Mon
        
        Not the poster you are replying to, but I think what we want people to say is.... -- travelingmom, 09:21:09 06/10/08 Tue
        
        OK, here is what I think: no one should be forced to do teams that lives 2 hrs. away. I don't really have an issue with the mandatory teams clause as long as far-flung satellite locations can opt out or do figures at their own location. I suspect with the gas increases, this will become reality. (NT) -- best to all dance families, 14:41:01 06/10/08 Tue
- I find it interesting that the people who support the teams requirement can't address the counter-arguments and questions or identify their schools. It sends an interesting message, don't you think? (NT) -- ., 10:05:57 06/09/08 Mon
  - It's the "All Irish Dance all the time" mentality. You have to suffer for your craft or it doesn't count. (NT) -- tnqop, 10:46:52 06/09/08 Mon
    - BS. If you are a selfish diva and dont want to do teams then find a school that is all about YOU with no team requirement. If you cannot find such a school in your area then enjoy track, or some other sport that is about self. (NT) -- youdonthavetodoID, 11:07:14 06/09/08 Mon
- Sure you can marry my daughter...as long as you assume the care and upkeep of her spinster sisters, too. (NT) -- ;-), 12:08:48 06/09/08 Mon
  - Well, I don't know? Can they figure dance?? (NT) -- thanks for the LOL!, 13:35:54 06/09/08 Mon
- At my school (Irish) teams are just as important as solos and it is the opposite way around. You must dance solo to be allowed into a team. You do not have to compete but you must attend a solo class to maintain the standard of your dancing and fitness. It is not compulsory to dance teams if you are a soloist but it is kinda expected of you. If somebody had a genuine reason for not being able to participate (cost,time) then I feel my TC would have no problem allowing you to just do solo. (NT) -- Different view!, 14:05:36 06/09/08 Mon
- Wandering down memory lane I was thinking about how many promising O/PW and champ dancers I know who have quit dancing altogether because of things that have happened on teams. Very sad. -- ., 14:29:33 06/09/08 Mon
- Our school does not have this rule, in part as some solo dancers wouldn't fit (height/age) on a team, in part as some are great as solos and not as ceili/set dancers. (NT) -- think it should be optional, 14:42:02 06/09/08 Mon
- Our tcrg, while a fun teacher & good choreographer is completely disorganized. Shows up late to class or not at all. Sometimes is on the phone or texting when supposed to be teaching etc. Teams however are mandatory along with the numerous expenses involved. Dancers are expected to be on time & give their phones to the tcrg during class. It's such a double standard, like OUR time & money is worth nothing. We no longer play the "teams" game for these reasons (NT) -- & more., 17:18:40 06/09/08 Mon
  - LOL--this is funny. Our TC also required dancers to turn in cell phones during class--because "divas" would answer their phones in the middle of class & totally disrupt everyone else's efforts, and wouldn't hear the instruction being given. We parents thought it was a GREAT policy!! (btw--those divas have now quit & classes are MUCH more productive--less drama and dancers--whether team or solo--are a much more cohesive group!!) (NT) -- Go TCs!!!, 08:39:13 06/16/08 Mon
    - Well that's fine... but do your TC's Stay off their phones as well?? I don't think any parent is REALLY opposed to kids not being allowed to talk on cell phones during class...OR for a TC to take a very occasional emergency call.... but if TC is on phone at every class... then that does set a rather bad example, doesn't it? (NT) -- not paid to chat, 23:06:15 06/16/08 Mon
      - Obviously, if your TC required dancers to turn in phones, it was a BIG problem in your class. Perhaps it's a good thing you quit--you obviously were not happy (and this sounds like sour grapes--TC situation can't be THAT bad, or parents would be in an uproar.) Wish you well in your future endeavors. (NT) -- --, 07:50:55 06/17/08 Tue
        
        Did I say we quit?? We didn't quit, and my dd has never ever used a cell phone in class, or gotten in trouble for doing so. I SAID, I didn't think parents (including myself) minded the "no cell phone" rule for kids in class. I DID say that I find in annoying when the TEACHER is on the cell phone during the class I paid for, except in the case of a REAL emergency. I don't understand your response, as it isn't relevant to my post. Replying to another poster maybe? (NT) -- not paid to chat, 09:13:48 06/17/08 Tue
        
        Oops--my old brain combined two prior posts into one. So sorry. Didn't mean to offend! Agreed that TC talking throughout class would not be appropriate--but then, shouldn't that be brought up with TC? Best of luck to you--hope you find peace and resolution. (NT) -- --, 10:00:17 06/17/08 Tue
FEIS AT THE FAIR -- Feis Committee, 08:46:42 06/17/08 Tue [1]
Schedule is now posted on Feisworx

Kidney Cancer Special (added) is scheduled for mid-day on Saturday and Sunday. Entry of $5 donation will be collected side stage - not through Feisworx. All levels and ages welcome to participate.

Fesiworx is accepting any changes through Wednesday. Please make any changes by Wednesday to avoid being delayed at Feisworx for registration.

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Not from the area coming to feis at fair on Sat if we are coming south on 133 do we get off on 5 or 405 or can we get to venue from 133? -- directionally challenged, 18:30:39 06/16/08 Mon [2]
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- You want to take the 405 south and get off at the first exit- Irvine Center Drive. Turn right onto it, and the venue will be on the right. (NT) -- Verizon Wireless Amphitheater/Wild Rivers Parking Lot, 18:35:52 06/16/08 Mon
how are floors at kennelly feis???? -- mom, 10:57:20 06/14/08 Sat [5]
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- Ours were fine. Why in the world do you ask? (NT) -- Just home from a nice relaxed feis., 12:08:39 06/15/08 Sun
  - And why WOULDN'T someone ask on a Saturday if their ds or dd was dancing Sunday and they wanted a heads up? Isn't this what the MB is all about? Maybe you're a newbie here? (NT) -- Mom of Champ, 12:24:21 06/15/08 Sun
    - Not above poster--but you seem a bit touchy. It's all good--relax! (NT) -- :-), 19:11:44 06/15/08 Sun
    - Not a newbie, but also not sure what difference a floor report would make. Would your champ stay home? Pack different shoes? -- Mom of two champs, 18:25:26 06/16/08 Mon
Yeah!!!! Sara - 1st place mcbride -- From your broken foot friend in SR, 22:26:47 06/15/08 Sun [2]
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- Congrats Sarah & Aryana going open. Congrats Taylor & Meghan on your 1sts, and all the Other McBride winners!! We are very proud of all of you! (NT) -- : }, 10:45:25 06/16/08 Mon
Feis Blog for Fathers on Father's Day- link inside -- idmom, 10:07:12 06/15/08 Sun [4]
For any dads who may not be as enamored of ID as the rest of us...here's a blog that my husband created as a humorous escape of the feis scene.

Here's the link:
http://feisdad.blogspot.com/

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- Very true and funny. Happy Father's Day. (NT) -- Enjoyed it, 11:55:06 06/15/08 Sun
- Hilarious! And oddly factual. (NT) -- betsy lopez, 19:16:07 06/15/08 Sun
- Lol about the snoring! Good one! (NT) -- :), 21:22:56 06/15/08 Sun
If a teacher has only ever made it to prelims, has no titles to their name nor has ever recalled at event nationally , but is a certified TCRG, do you feel that they are qualified to teach? -- -afraid some parents are not getting what they pay for., 20:13:07 06/05/08 Thu [27]
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- Often it is the ones who work hard that make the best teachers. For some, it is so natural to them they don't know how to teach. So my thoughts it's their teaching skills not their titles that I will pay for. (NT) -- Open dancer mom, 20:28:55 06/05/08 Thu
  - Absolutely! Our TC won her O several times, did ok at NANs & competed a Worlds. I think experience at majors is helpful, but top placement not necessary. Some of our best teachers learned things the hard way. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:04 06/06/08 Fri
- Completely depends on the individual, the choreography, and the demographics. Any specific concerns? (NT) -- ., 21:51:48 06/05/08 Thu
- They can make excellent teachers, especially for grades. You would need to make decision if your dancer reaches champs & wants to go further--what is the TC's track record, do they rely upon outside choreographers, etc. They may have picked up enough over the years to take dancers all the way, or they may not have the "edge" that's necessary. Depends upon a lot of factors--how do they relate to students, are they skilled at analyzing technique issues and communicating how to overcome them, do they drill, teach cross training & stretching, etc., etc? (NT) -- --, 21:53:26 06/05/08 Thu
  - we do not have anything to compare this teacher to. But I am starting to question things. Never had a workshop from outside the studio, keeps the same steps f or all dancers regardless of level when you have laerned one you move onto the next whether you have mastered it or not. Just not feeling like she knows what she is doing but puts on a very good front. We are clueless and any advice would be great (NT) -- -not sure if we are in the right place, 22:00:25 06/05/08 Thu
    - How long has TC been teaching? How do dancers place @ feisanna? Does he/she have advanced (champ) dancers--how do they do @ majors? We didn't know much when we started ID, but watched & learned by observation and track record. Eventually, for us, it became the right time to move on to a different school. May or may not be right for you or your dancer(s). (NT) -- Good luck., 09:58:04 06/06/08 Fri
- Who are you to worry about what other parents are getting or not getting? Seriously, who are you? (NT) -- Amazing - MYOB -, 22:15:04 06/05/08 Thu
  - read again. I am one of the parents who is not getting what they are paying for. Read before you open your mouth please (NT) -- -just asking for advice, 22:22:48 06/05/08 Thu
    - Not the poster you are responding to, but in your OP you stated "some parents," didn't state it your concern, personally. (NT) -- Let's play nice, okay?, 09:18:44 06/06/08 Fri
- I think it depends on the teacher. The most successful school in California has a teacher that has no title. This person knows how to surround herself with good people that make their school so great. For example, choreographers are brought in, great teachers, etc... But your school sounds like there may be a problem if all students are doing the same steps. Bottom line: you don't have to be a champion or hold a title to run a successful irish dance school. (NT) -- good luck!, 23:42:58 06/05/08 Thu
  - Exactly. The big 'C' teacher does not have a title, but her school's results are amazing. -- ., 10:46:50 06/06/08 Fri
  - The most successful school in California - What school is that? (NT) -- I am new to Irish Dancing but am curious (:)), 12:15:35 06/06/08 Fri
    - Claddagh. (NT) -- huge school, 08:50:10 06/07/08 Sat
- There are MORE TCs who have no high level accomplishments than do. They have lead many to achieve the great goals. This would make a great research article. (NT) -- What is your level of dance, OP?, 04:00:13 06/06/08 Fri
- How does your daughter feel? (NT) -- isn't that the most important question?, 06:27:23 06/06/08 Fri
- I think that having parents who support them is especially helpful. Keep in mind... -- ..., 06:40:54 06/06/08 Fri
- We have found that our best teachers are not the former champions. And the best choreographers are not the best teachers. Which is why workshops are the ideal combo for us (NT) -- xx, 13:48:48 06/06/08 Fri
  - And some of the 'teen teachers' at the studio are not necessarily the dancers with the highest placing! (NT) -- ., 16:40:32 06/06/08 Fri
    - sorry, meant to say that some of the BEST teen dancers aren't always the highest ranked dancers. (NT) -- ., 17:47:58 06/06/08 Fri
      - How could the "best teen dancers" not be the highest ranked dancers? (NT) -- not sure what you mean, 08:51:58 06/07/08 Sat
        
        at our school we have teen dancers who help teach some of the lower -- ., 09:41:20 06/07/08 Sat
        
        I agree with this statement and have seen the same at our school. SOME of the top dancers are great teachers, some are NOT good teachers, and SOME of the less successful dancers (competitively) do a great job at working with lower level dancers. Just being a top placer does not automatically make you a great teacher. Teaching is a talent of it's own, I think. (NT) -- sdf, 22:33:54 06/08/08 Sun
- Is this a relatively new school? Are there other branches - Utah or Washington? Look at the school she came from and see how she treats her former teachers; that might give you a bit of insight into your TC. -- Best of luck!, 17:56:15 06/06/08 Fri
  - More - I might know who your TC is, and your concerns are valid. The "big C" teacher in So CA is a long-established, well known teacher who has many other teachers she can call on for help with workshops, etc. This does not compare with your situation, so if you have a concern you are doing the right thing in asking opinions. Try not to burn too many bridges when you make your decision to stay or leave, and (NT) -- best of luck with that, too!, 18:00:39 06/06/08 Fri
- My Experience -- Aine, 10:14:22 06/07/08 Sat
- I'd say there are plenty of teachers who weren't ever a world champ or even in open. (NT) -- Some people make really great teachers, 16:20:48 06/15/08 Sun
Size 4 Pacelli Super flexi hard shoes for sale. Less than 1 yr old. $70 + $10 shipping within the US -- irishmom, 08:11:33 06/15/08 Sun [3]
E-mail me with any questions or for pictures! Thanks

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- And all the non-feis dads who support their dancers by footing the bills and handling the little league/football.basketball & hockey games so that the feis mom can focus on the feis!! (NT) -- Feis Mom, 10:05:06 06/15/08 Sun
  - OOps! Response for FAther's day post above. (NT) -- Need more coffee!, 15:58:10 06/15/08 Sun
Do some b/n dm's send dresses at last minute before majors because they know we've waited and even if it doesn't fit we'll have no other choice? -- :((, 08:19:37 06/14/08 Sat [10]
Ordered one earlier in the year for Nan's. It was supposed to have arrived by now--in case there's alterations needed. Just heard it's being delivered somehow to Opryland!

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- Cynical, but possible. To be fair, it's pretty hard to predict exactly how long a dress will take. There are often snags in the process of dressmaking, and some clients (not saying you are) are slow to email back or send payments. Possibly the client ahead of you did, delaying the whole process. (NT) -- good luck; hope it's gorgeous, 08:42:13 06/14/08 Sat
- Gavins are being brought to NAN's...be prepared with a backup dress, lots of crystals because his come with none, a person who can do minor alterations and a lot of prayer. (NT) -- btdt, 09:47:13 06/14/08 Sat
  - DM from the MW will be there and has offerd to help those in need. (Check /33031/ board for info) (NT) -- with sewing machine, 12:23:35 06/14/08 Sat
    - THAT'S AWESOME! (NT) -- thanks for sharing!, 16:39:22 06/14/08 Sat
    - Our TC received an email from gavin saying that he will be at Nans and will be able to do alterations himself if needed. (NT) -- anon, 17:53:05 06/14/08 Sat
      - Will we be taking numbers? (NT) -- anticipation...., 19:05:07 06/14/08 Sat
      - great! can I sign up now? (NT) -- anticipating, 21:13:40 06/14/08 Sat
      - Wonder how much he'll charge for this, my measurements were exact. (NT) -- broke, 08:53:54 06/15/08 Sun
        
        Don't worry, ours came and it fits perfectly, done to my measurements, couldn't fit better if we had flown to Belfast. (NT) -- Good luck to you!, 15:28:27 06/15/08 Sun
Feis at the Fair - New Special Added - Fundraiser for Cancer Research. -- Christine Byrne, 18:22:06 06/14/08 Sat [3]
We have added a fundraiser special both Saturday and Sunday - $5 donation for entry will be collected side stage.

All levels and ages welcome to participate - one soft shoe reel step down the line. Crystal will be awarded for 1st, 2nd & 3rd place.

All entry fees will be donated to the Kidney Cancer Association. We hope you will join us in this fundraising event in memory of a dad of a dancer from our studio who was very special to our school.

Schedule: We are working on the schedule and hope to have it posted on Feisworx as soon as possible.

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- He was a very special dad. And we miss him very much! So glad to hear you are having this special. (NT) -- friends from another dance school. :), 00:29:01 06/15/08 Sun
- Agree w/ above poster.My daughter has not done specials in years but wants to do this one. (NT) -- Love and prayers to the family. XO, 11:39:29 06/15/08 Sun
where can I see results from 2007 Nationals? -- xx, 07:16:02 06/15/08 Sun [3]
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- Supposed to be www.instepfm.com but I couldn't find them... (NT) -- anyone?, 08:13:35 06/15/08 Sun
- there are some archived at petersmithschool.com (NT) -- hope this helps, 11:08:08 06/15/08 Sun
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU FEIS DADS! -- <3, 08:52:09 06/15/08 Sun [1]
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Need a red championship dress -- need a dress, 13:23:30 06/13/08 Fri [14]
need a dress for nationals. preferably red.
14 years old
5 ft tall
normal build

thanks :D

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- About a week ago there was a post about a red dress for sale, check bottome of page or recent archive. The seller was sewfitz or something like that. (NT) -- good luck!, 13:39:10 06/13/08 Fri
- Have 1543 on dance again for sale in WR, e mail for more pics etc (NT) -- Seller, 13:53:21 06/13/08 Fri
- How about dress #1143B on dance again. (NT) -- Dress shopper, 13:59:11 06/13/08 Fri
- 1865 on DA is red sequins, or there was a red Gavin listed yesterday (NT) -- good luck!, 17:47:10 06/13/08 Fri
- red/yellow championship dress, sewfitz@gmail.com, 14" skirt, 18" bodice, email for more measurements. Ready for Nationals! (NT) -- mags mom, 21:29:30 06/13/08 Fri
- This might be too small ... but have you seen this beautiful elevation dress? http://www.dance.net/topic/7268958/1/Irish-For-Sale/Brand-New-Elevations-Dress-for-Sale.html&replies=3 (NT) -- good luck., 22:52:52 06/13/08 Fri
- Here is another one...a Chantelle...love them. http://www.dance.net/topic/7237194/1/Irish-For-Sale/StUnNiNg-Chantelle-dress-suit-age-13.html&replies=1 (NT) -- :), 22:56:01 06/13/08 Fri
- Here is a gavin... http://www.dance.net/topic/7230655/1/Irish-For-Sale/Red-White-Gavin-Doherty-Costume-For-Sale-14-15-yrs.html&replies=13 (NT) -- Pretty...love the lace., 22:57:59 06/13/08 Fri
- have a red,black,white dress, good as new, priced to sell-would fit a 5ft.tall ave.dancer perfectly-leave your email and I'll send (NT) -- photos/information, 05:21:50 06/14/08 Sat
- email :D -- thanks guys for your help (NT) -- post writer, 11:31:01 06/14/08 Sat
- dess inquiry -- Seller, 12:47:48 06/14/08 Sat
  - That is a pretty dress. You might consider taking another picture in brighter light and adding a second picture of the skirt close up. Best of luck to all sellers. (NT) -- my two cents, 07:54:04 06/15/08 Sun
- I have a red Gavin for sell. Dance-Again 1556. email me and I can send more pics. Will consider any price. (NT) -- seller, 08:20:37 06/15/08 Sun
Looking for old dance shoes to buy -- Thank you., 15:13:28 06/14/08 Sat [2]
Looking to buy older dance shoes, both hard and soft, some small holes ok, all sizes.

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- I have quite a few of both-different sizes, some new, some used. Contact me @ (NT) -- smileonthepodiumAThotmailDOTcom, 23:53:11 06/14/08 Sat
How does it work on Feisworx. now? Can a feis order (or buy) the "instant results" feature like they had at the Calif. Spring Feis? I notice not all feisworx feises seem to have this feature. It was fun to watch the results come in when we couldn't go. -- thanks, 14:58:32 06/14/08 Sat [3]
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- Here is what is necessary -- California Spring Feis, 15:25:41 06/14/08 Sat
  - Oh, thanks for the info... I was just curious actually! :-) We don't go to all the feises anymore, so fun to see how friends and doing. (NT) -- thanks, 20:22:37 06/14/08 Sat
Where are the results from Pike's Peak? -- Impatient, 19:56:04 06/14/08 Sat [2]
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- they usually have them up by now. (NT) -- urious to see how our dancers placed, 20:14:08 06/14/08 Sat
OT -- Creative ideas wanted for husband's 20th wedding anniversary gift! -- thanks in advance, 10:34:27 06/13/08 Fri [9]
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- If you have a wedding video, turn it into a disc and watch it together. (NT) -- with popcorn!, 10:48:02 06/13/08 Fri
- Ahhh, the June weddings! How about irish cufflinks? (NT) -- just a thought, 12:31:20 06/13/08 Fri
- I just read an article about a nonfiction book entitled The Gift... -- 20 years and counting, 14:55:55 06/13/08 Fri
  - I wonder if he could keep up after 20 years. Stamina! (NT) -- :o)), 15:49:47 06/13/08 Fri
- Hot air balloon ride with champagne. (NT) -- fun fun, 18:54:06 06/13/08 Fri
- I know 7 couples having anniversaries this month. 20 yrs is amazing, congrats to the couples! (NT) -- happy for you, 08:37:46 06/14/08 Sat
- my 23rd is this month and I'm taking hubby to Hawaii (our 20th had a medical glitch so I'm making up for it this year) (NT) -- mm, 09:49:53 06/14/08 Sat
  - Congratulations and have a fabulous time. (NT) -- -, 18:24:08 06/14/08 Sat
Where is the Nan's schedule and list of adj's? -- ?, 16:46:13 06/14/08 Sat [2]
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- http://www.idtane.com/nationals.htm (NT) -- dance mom, 17:02:21 06/14/08 Sat
I mean no disrespect but I'm curious & disappointed that Dance For Life Seattle has elected to have a 3-yr age group in Open. The age groups jump from U-16 to U-19. DD is 16, new to Open. She's usually the youngest in Open U-17; U-18 is tough enough, but competing in U-19 for a 16-year old is disheartening. In no other circumstance would she be dancing against these U-19 dancers. We've travelled to this feis from Canada for the past 6 yrs but reluctantly considering skipping this time, knowing that realistically she doesn't stand a chance in Open U-19. U-17 would have been nice, & U-18 perfectly acceptable, but U-19 ? I do wonder if other 16-yr old Open dancers are not registering either ? -- wondering, 22:54:10 06/12/08 Thu [22]
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- The same thing can happen with any age groups. It happened to my dd Open age 9 competing with 13 year olds, we traveled a great distance for it, made the best of the situation knowing she had no chance. After that I began paying attention to feis schedules--now we don't attend those with smaller numbers. (NT) -- can't afford to go for the experience anymore, 00:09:37 06/13/08 Fri
- Would the dancers rather dance alone if there's only one per age group? (NT) -- curious, 00:19:58 06/13/08 Fri
  - No of course not, but that is not the issue here at all. There is no reason to think there would only be 1 dancer in U-17, U-18 and/or U-19; each normally have at least 6 competitors and often many more. Open U-18 in Seattle (Emerald City) had 14 competitors a few months ago, for example. Dance For Life has never combined U-17/U-18/U-19 in the past so that is why I am wondering why this year. My post is meant to be a query, not a whine. (NT) -- OP, 07:16:32 06/13/08 Fri
- Every Feis has 3 year age groups. The 18 & O Open Championships and the 16 & Over Preliminary Championships often incorporate 4 or 5 age groups (usually in a feis that has seperate age groups from U18 down) U might as well get used to it. There are 6 (maybe 7) age groups that will dance together at the Nationals in the Ladies 20 & Over. (NT) -- Ridiculous but true., 05:03:49 06/13/08 Fri
- My daughter often dances O16, in fact will be the next two feiseanna, and will be in your age group at DFL. Is it fair for 16 yos to dance against seasoned 22 yos? Is it fair for "old" 22 yos to dance against fresh, energetic 16 yos? All in the viewpoint. And anyone can place/win. (NT) -- Life goes on., 05:53:33 06/13/08 Fri
  - The age group being discussed is Open U-19, not 19+ and thus there will not be "seasoned 22 yr-olds" competing against 16-yr.olds. I do get your point, but not the issue here. DD knows the older competitors in U-19 from the Seattle/Oregon/Vancouver area and being very realistic, she is extremely unlikely to have any chance of placing against them. That's all. Just wishing for a U-17 or U-18 group. (NT) -- xx, 07:41:40 06/13/08 Fri
    - Here's a thought: competing against older "seasoned" competitors is definitely going to raise the bar. The good news? Your daughter will learn from these dancers, improve her skills, and be more likely to place in the future. (NT) -- wrm, 08:53:34 06/13/08 Fri
      - I do understand your point in theory, although the reality is not quite so rosy. When a dancer has been dancing many years, of course they have learned from watching older peers, but competing against Open dancers 3 years older is more likely to be discouraging rather than inspiring. It's an expensive trip to attend DFL whilst knowing in advance that you'll most likely be bottom of the pack in Open U-19. I understand that in a couple more years the current 16-year olds will be against many ages grouped together in 18+, but at age 16, 1-or-2-year age groupings are more the norm. (NT) -- thnx for input, 09:25:21 06/13/08 Fri
        
        or maybe the 19 year old in the group hasnt been dancing any longer then the 16 year old, and just started at an older age... -- Aine, 22:18:51 06/13/08 Fri
- For better or worse this becomes common in older age groups (16 yrs and up) in Opens. While it can be a thrill to be dancing with the Big Names it can also be discouraging to know you won't place (although you never know!). Only you can decide if it's worth going or not for your family (NT) -- and dancer., 09:10:05 06/13/08 Fri
- I don't see why a 19 yo would have an advantage over a younger dancer. Developmentally they are the same. Who knows, the younger dancer may have danced more years and have more experience. (NT) -- Not that big of a deal, 12:36:44 06/13/08 Fri
  - Regards, but you missed the point entirely. I'm talking about all the regular top placers in Open U-18/U-19 in the WUSA/WCAN region. Pretty much all of them have been in Open for many years, deservedly so, and are multiple World Qualifiers. Love to watch them, but a new-to-Open 16-yr. old is definitely not in the same league. (NT) -- thanks though, 13:49:38 06/13/08 Fri
    - The issue isn't the three year age difference then, right? The issue is there happens to be a concentration of great dancers in an older age group. It sounds like a good opportunity for your dd to see how high the bar can be set. Why make excuses about age? If she is new to open she probably isn't placing much in her own age group either. (NT) -- No biggie., 15:42:32 06/13/08 Fri
    - When you get to be 16, 17 and in Opens then you are in the hardcore group of long term dancers. At this age and level they're all great, all competitive and competing at very high levels. It can be very tough and it won't get any easier the older she gets. Many dancers who were used to being top 3 suddenly find themselves placing in the middle of the pack. It can be an opportunity for experience, exposure to some top adcrg's and a lesson in persisitence because it is a LOT of work and dedication to compete well in these combined groups. (NT) -- Give it some time, she'll figure it out on her own., 16:22:27 06/13/08 Fri
- From the horses mouth -- Robert, 16:22:17 06/13/08 Fri
  - Thank you for posting Robert. I do not have access to the DFL syllabus from last year, only the results posted on feisworx, which show Open U-17 and Open U-19. I did not realize you had started out with only U-19 on the syllabus and then later created a U-17 group. Thank you for taking time to make this clarification. As stated in the original post, it was intended as a polite query only, not a complaint. (NT) -- appreciate your reply, 16:51:12 06/13/08 Fri
- Is the only goal to get a placement in open, espeically since she is new to open? (NT) -- If the gas/hotel money is worth it, go for fun!, 19:19:09 06/13/08 Fri
- Then don't go - stay home. Who is forcing you to go? (NT) -- Whiner poster, 20:47:23 06/13/08 Fri
  - Where'd that come from? (NT) -- lol, 08:04:56 06/14/08 Sat
- This might seem a bit off topic since my younger dancer is not in champs yet, but she is always grouped up anywhere between 1 & 3 age groups. I learn from watching how she deals with this at such a young age. She knows all she can do is practice and dance her best. There are times she actually places well against much older kids. And other times, she gains the experience of seeing how they dance and carry themselves. I think we look at competitions as more than placements, to gain the experience to grow for next time. Luckily she can look at it that way so that even when she only places in only 1 of 7 dances she walks out of there with a smile and ready to try again. (NT) -- Mom, 12:13:37 06/14/08 Sat
- It happens on both ends of the spectrum the younger dancers and the older dancers...with the bulk in the middle. I suppose the feis committee could list a registration for every age and then combine when and where it was needed based upon registration numbers, But that would frustrate others as well (NT) -- crap shoot, 13:40:35 06/14/08 Sat
Feis at the Fair schedule? -- please, please, 09:00:46 06/14/08 Sat [1]
A week ahead isn't too much to ask...

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Everyone, please say prayers for our dance families in the Midwest. They have been hit hard with flooding and severe weather this year. -- a mom with family in Iowa, 22:12:23 06/13/08 Fri [1]
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Gothards have released a cd! They can dance, they can sing, they can play.... -- great talent, 12:21:28 06/11/08 Wed [3]
Check it out...I think the cost is $10

Through CD Baby:
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gothardsisters3 (Ships immediately!)

OR

Through PayPal:
http://www.thegothardsisters.com/id45.html (Secure online payment!)

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- I just listened to the samples.....lovely does not describe it. So talented, the ID community is fortunate to them members. Good luck to them in this endeavour. (NT) -- great value, 13:09:10 06/11/08 Wed
- I've only seen their youtube videos and they seem like talented hard-working girls. The represent Irish dancing beautifully! (NT) -- gothard fan, 19:28:11 06/13/08 Fri
feis question -- ex irish dance mom, 00:18:45 06/12/08 Thu [13]
My daughter quit dancing about 3-4 years ago. At the time she was dancing the feises we went to were fairly big. 1500 or more. Usually her age group would be broken down to group a, group b and so on with at least 25 -30 dancers in each group due to so many dancers. What are they like now? how big are the age groups now. Just real curious.

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- I'm guessing 3-4 yrs. ago the big groups were age 13-15 N/PW? Is that what group generally your dd was part of? (NT) -- so they are now 16+, 06:38:20 06/12/08 Thu
  - The biggest groups of Nov/PW now are U10-U13, it thins out on each side of this age group. (NT) -- hth, 13:48:18 06/12/08 Thu
- N/PW the groups for U11 are typically 15-20 and can go higher, but will sometimes get split. Kids can still spend a long time in those groups. (NT) -- patient mom, 06:53:24 06/12/08 Thu
- I remember back in 1999..my DD was U10 novice at a San Diego feis with 55 in her competition..no splitting (NT) -- ah, those were the days, 08:02:14 06/12/08 Thu
  - My nieces and nephews danced then, too and tell the same story: Need a first in one last dance to get to Prelims, and placing 2nd over and over, but in groups of 30+ How does that compare to advancing with a 1st out of 5. Was their level of competition greater? (NT) -- Wondering, 13:53:13 06/12/08 Thu
    - Maggie D was in competition with my dd back then and she is a World Champ, WEstern region girls born in 89 are still top competitors at the majors. (NT) -- heavy competition, 17:39:05 06/12/08 Thu
      - 1989 girls are a hellaciously difficult group in this region. Great group of girls. (NT) -- ., 21:27:52 06/12/08 Thu
- I know what era you're from. The Glendale feis comes to mind...remember when there'd be 100+ 2-hands? (NT) -- vet, 08:28:54 06/12/08 Thu
- In Nov and PW, a big comp is 17-20, in U10 and U11, have seen them up to 25. I think the general rule is to split at 25. I was wondering, if there were 55 or more in a comp back then, did they give out more than one first, second, etc? Seems like you'd be stuck in Novice forever! (NT) -- wr mom, 13:45:45 06/12/08 Thu
  - Yes, it took a long time and many competitions. (NT) -- oldtimer, 17:41:57 06/12/08 Thu
  - Where we feis, tend to split at 30. Often have #'s in the 20's (but, DD just got out of U14 prizewinner, I don't know for U14 prelim ack!). (NT) -- northern SR MAID, 14:21:21 06/13/08 Fri
- original poster -- mom, 17:28:32 06/12/08 Thu
Re: posts and thread deletions: When you reply to an original post, it is considered one reply. When other posters reply to a reply, all the attachments whether good or bad are removed when the first one is deleted. This is the way all voys are set up and mods have no control over it. -- mod, 17:42:08 06/12/08 Thu [3]
For as much as I don't like to see good posts deleted, if they are attached to a bad post then all must go. I hope this makes sense and explains the system so that no one will ever take it personally if suddenly you see your post is removed. All good posts are appreciated. Thanks!

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- Thanks for that explanation. It helps a lot to understand what's going on. (NT) -- rp, 18:08:30 06/12/08 Thu
- Thanks for deleting that nasty post questioning who had qualified for Nationals... (NT) -- completely out of line!, 08:42:30 06/13/08 Fri
What dances will girls U15 be doing at Oireachtas this year? -- mom, 20:28:04 06/12/08 Thu [3]
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- slip jig and treble jig. (NT) -- sdmom, 21:12:18 06/12/08 Thu
  - Thank you! (NT) -- :), 07:54:42 06/13/08 Fri
Arizona St. Championships -- Coming from CT, 18:50:16 06/12/08 Thu [2]
Does anyone know the status of the AZ State Champs? Less then 2 months away and not open on feisworx. I've called and emailed without the courtesy of a reply and we are trying to coordinate with a business trip.

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- This feis, in my experience, is always very slow to get their info out (maybe because it's a huge school with lots of branches that run this?). You'll just have to hang in there awhile. Best of luck to you, and we might see you there. (NT) -- always a fun feis, 06:46:32 06/13/08 Fri
puffball dress -- mom, 15:29:04 06/12/08 Thu [3]
Looking to buy a used Siopa Rince puffball dress for my 11 year old daughter. Checked all major websites with no luck. If you are selling one or know someone who is please post. Thanks!

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- Did you try dance-again dress #1021, or 1141B (NT) -- -, 16:03:14 06/12/08 Thu
- There is a pretty blue and white one on dance.net..forsale page.. (NT) -- ??, 06:35:11 06/13/08 Fri
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- Love this idea, thanks for sharing. (NT) -- a mom, 08:27:38 06/12/08 Thu
- Just posted my dress !! -- Dave, 05:55:20 06/13/08 Fri
Oregon schools...other than Portland -- Mom, 23:04:29 06/06/08 Fri [15]
Might be moving to Oregon. What schools are there between Portland and Corvallis? Any?

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- Corvallis - An Daire. Portland - An Daire, Murray, Yeates (in alphabetical order). Welcome to one of the best cities on earth! (NT) -- ., 04:53:14 06/07/08 Sat
- AnDaire, Andaire, Andaire,AnDaire need I say more? Great teachers and great dance family (NT) -- Andaire student, 05:33:39 06/07/08 Sat
- What age and level?? (NT) -- May make a difference., 18:25:33 06/07/08 Sat
- Oh, I forgot one. Yeates has a location in Salem, too. (NT) -- Have fun!, 06:39:42 06/09/08 Mon
- Anyone have an opinion on which Oregon school is great for a male dancer? (NT) -- ..., 10:48:58 06/09/08 Mon
  - I believe with Yeates, you would have Michael Smith for workshops. (NT) -- That would be a big plus in my book!, 13:59:57 06/09/08 Mon
    - If you can afford the workshops 3-4 times/yr on top of tuition. Ouch! (NT) -- --, 21:11:36 06/09/08 Mon
      - Ah, but isn't it great to have a choice? (NT) -- Life is good., 18:09:09 06/10/08 Tue
        
        'Tis true, 'tis true--and since there are such good choices in that area, I would choose to save the extra $1500-$2000 annually and use that $$ to offset other costs (such as new solo dress, travel, etc). (NT) -- Something for everyone, I guess. :-), 08:05:55 06/11/08 Wed
        
        Are the workshops really that much? A parent of one of their dancers told me it was $150. (NT) -- x, 18:12:48 06/12/08 Thu
        
        It depends on how long the workshop is, and if you opt for a private lesson. (NT) -- x, 21:24:15 06/12/08 Thu
        Often, the workshop is multiple days, and if you are a champ, the cost can be $375 or more, depending upon the length. So yes, it can be that expensive. (NT) -- --, 23:23:54 06/12/08 Thu
  - If in Portland, Jim Mueller at An Daire teaches. Has had successful male dancers in various locations and I like his choreography for the lads. (NT) -- ., 14:46:03 06/09/08 Mon
    - Jim teaches classes in Corvallis, as well as in Portland and has male champs and N/PW dancers (NT) -- at both locations., 18:05:18 06/09/08 Mon
Dresses added to feisanne. 1 being readvertised due to timewasters. Thanks for looking -- feisanne, 17:50:10 06/12/08 Thu [1]
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Will there be a wig vendor at the Pikes Peak feis? -- Thanks, 13:41:15 06/12/08 Thu [3]
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- Meant to ask: If so, what line of wigs? (NT) -- OP, 13:42:01 06/12/08 Thu
- Andria should have Emerald Key's Maeve wig on hand at the feis (NT) -- great wig, 15:45:19 06/12/08 Thu
dance school -- mom, 23:59:10 06/11/08 Wed [5]
Hi, is there an irish dance school in Bakersfield? It seems so odd that a city with such a large population would not have one. Please post of any schools in Bakersfield that you know of.

Thanks

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- McTeggert is in Fresno. They host the Central Calif. Championships every January. Never heard of a school in Bakersfield. (NT) -- WR Mom, 05:15:03 06/12/08 Thu
- I agree with you, Bakersfield is huge. Someone should open up there (NT) -- big bucks?, 08:30:17 06/12/08 Thu
  - If you can muster up enough people, contact a nearby studio and ask if they would like to open up another location. Go for it! (NT) -- g.t.t., 14:36:43 06/12/08 Thu
- BFOC is in Palmdale, I think, 1.5 hrs away. (NT) -- Market available!, 14:01:26 06/12/08 Thu
When is the rest of the competitor list being posted for Nationals -- Na, 09:29:40 06/12/08 Thu [2]
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- It gives the dates on the NANs website as to when each list will be available. (NT) -- --, 10:17:20 06/12/08 Thu
Will there be any shoe vendors at the Kennelly feis this weekend? -- sara, 09:41:29 06/12/08 Thu [1]
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Will there be any vendors selling Irish dance supplies at Feis at the Fair? In particular any shoe vendors? How about wigs? Could anyone who is going to be there please post. -- thanks, 21:22:56 06/11/08 Wed [2]
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- Usually just Imelda from Shamrock Imports is there. No wigs...she just sells shoes and other stuff (socks, sock glue, laces, etc...) but no wigs. (NT) -- me, 22:25:18 06/11/08 Wed
Feis at the Fair questions. My ex is bringing my dd and I'm a nervous wreck. (inside) -- McT LA Mom, 06:47:18 06/10/08 Tue [19]
My dd is a novice U13, dancing on Sunday. What time does the dancing start? How early should she get there? Where does she need to report?? Are there signs for guidance?

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- Just checked FeisWorx for you, and the schedule is not up yet. Check there in a few days and you should have more info. It's not a huge venue, but she and dad will find their way. There are wonderful helpful feis moms everywhere, too. Don't be nervous! (NT) -- check back later, 06:56:07 06/10/08 Tue
- Thanks!!! I'll check for it in a few days :) (NT) -- McT LA Mom, 07:02:04 06/10/08 Tue
- No worries. The other moms from your school will probably see the confusion in your ex's eyes and take over. It's the herd mentality. When feis moms see an "orphaned" young one, they swoop in and make sure the orphans are cared for. (Yes I know dad will be there, but we know his limits) -- Feis mom, 08:02:15 06/10/08 Tue
  - Haha, yes, an unfeised dad (or mom) can need help, heck, even us seasoned ones do at times. AND, your DD is U13. Phew, comparatively self-sufficient, not fully and they space so he needs to stay on top of her next dances/stage, but MUCH better than if she were, say, U7 and really needing guidance. -- try not to let nervousness get to your DD, 08:21:25 06/10/08 Tue
- I'm trying to keep my nervousness from her! -- McT LA Mom, 08:38:20 06/10/08 Tue
  - My dd is coming to CA from Louisiana to visit my ex so she'll be the only dancer from her school. She decided that she'd like to do a feis while she was there since her father has NEVER seen her dance. He has no idea what he's gotten himself into (LOL). She's extremely self sufficiant when in comes to Feisin' so I'm sure she'll control the whole expereince once she's there. I'm just worried about them getting there on time. (NT) -- McT LA Mom, 08:44:08 06/10/08 Tue
    - Well that is easy then. Do what I do. As soon as the schedule comes out check feisworx to determine when she needs to arrive--one hour before first scheduled dance. Then add at least 30 more minutes. -- Fair Veteran, 09:28:36 06/10/08 Tue
  - I realized later that you'd signed it McT / LA. Double check competitor list (if any, or ask TC) just in case any other McT's will be there. Glad she's going for this, why not?! DO have her check if treble reels are done differently there than SR, or if stages run beg-adv beg- nov-pz, or all reel, slip jig, etc. order, or just how. (We were caught off guard once feising out of region.) And, yes, give him more time notice than is likely needed, in case. lol (NT) -- northern SR MAID, 10:05:33 06/10/08 Tue
- My husband is never supportive of dance, had been to a few feis and didn't enjoy himself. He took me dd once without me. I was feeling the same as you but tried not to worry about it. I gave a call to some of the other moms and if it hadn't been for them, I'm not so sure she would've been put together. So try to enlist some moms in advance, tell your dancer to look for the signs of where they need to be. (NT) -- I'll say a prayer for them!, 09:07:55 06/10/08 Tue
- The fies check-in is at the entry gate and the dancers go in via their own entry (next to the public one). Have your daughter ask how to get to her stage, not just the name of it. 2 years ago they were near the front as you go in. Last year they were way in the back and the fair signs weren't the most helpful. Once you find the stages/tents, it's a breeze. Don't know where they will be this year. (NT) -- Liked them in the back, 09:32:50 06/10/08 Tue
- If she has more than one stage, it's not easy to jockey back and forth to make sure she's not missing a dance...the crowds can be slow moving at times. Hopefully, her stages will be close together. I lost people very easily last time we went. (NT) -- thank goodness for cell phones, 12:08:40 06/10/08 Tue
  - I was working one of the stages last year and we did wait for the other stages to finish...cell phone came in handy, Hopefully that will happen again this year, (<