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Subject: art class model


Author:
Jacob
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Date Posted: 14:42:19 08/12/06 Sat

Does anyone else here have any experiences with posing nude as a model for college art classes?

When I was a sophomore in college (5 years ago), some friends and I worked part-time at the campus dining hall. It was a lousy job with lousy hours that paid minimum wage. We used to look at the on-campus job board and tease each other about being "life drawing models." It paid $14 hour, which was almost three times what I made at my previous job.

Anyway, my friend Sarah heard me joking about it one day, and called me the next night to say that she was taking a drawing class that had a shortage of male models. Would I be willing to do it? I turned bright red at the suggestion, but Sarah convinced me that it would be fine.

All in all, it was a fairly sterile experience. I felt pretty embarrassed at first, but holding still for long periods of time proved to be more problematic for me than being naked. I almost forgot about it after a while.

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[> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Rodger
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Date Posted: 17:58:49 08/12/06 Sat

Yes, I have worked as a nude model for 2 colleges and the local museum. I started working as a model at age 52. Now I feel that I'm getting too old and have retired, but the instructor at one college keeps calling. The classes are at a very small town college, during the day, when its difficult to get non-student models. My understanding is that they have a really difficult time getting models.

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[> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Lorraine
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Date Posted: 10:35:45 08/13/06 Sun




I am 48 and surprsingly found myself doing nude modeling for art classes beginning 4 years ago. My oldest daughter then 19 modeled clothes part-time while attending a local junior college before moving onto a major university.

I have always kept fit playing a lot of tennis and one day my daughter came home and showed me an ad in the junior college paper requesting mature models telling me I should try out. I had been a stay at home mom to our 4 children and my husband had been asking me to work part time to help out with future college expenses for the kids. I had done a bit of lingerie modeling when I was in college and the thought of posing nude did not bother me.

I asked my husband how he felt about it and he told me to "go for it."

The instructor turned out to be a nice woman a bit older than me and we hit it off well. I posed for 6 classes a semester, and the instructor also got me part time work helping her in administration. I plan to do this 2 more years.








>Yes, I have worked as a nude model for 2 colleges and
>the local museum. I started working as a model at age
>52. Now I feel that I'm getting too old and have
>retired, but the instructor at one college keeps
>calling. The classes are at a very small town
>college, during the day, when its difficult to get
>non-student models. My understanding is that they
>have a really difficult time getting models.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Reb
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Date Posted: 13:03:06 08/13/06 Sun

Are they looking for all body types? I suppose they would rather have the body builder type males but they might be
a lot harder to find.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Rodger
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Date Posted: 05:27:40 08/14/06 Mon

Reb, you might be surprised.

The first time I saw a nude model was in Atlanta about 12 years ago. I was in an art studio and did not realize that a figure study class was in session. I walked into a room and there was a female model who must have weighed over 300 lb, fully naked in front of a class of 8 to 10 students.

When I was working, I had a female student tell the instructor, in front of me, that she didn't think she could deal with a male model who was young and athletic.

I worked briefly last year after the instructor nearly begged me. I'm 5'8", 165lb, but my butt has gone away and I find that most embarrassing. What left my butt must have gone to my tummy. I hike and work out, but 60 is 60 I guess.

The reason I wanted to retire from modeling is that I'm not happy with how I look, but the class and instructor don't care, at least when I'll all they can get.

There have been a couple erotic events in the years I've modeled, but not enough to get excited about.

One more note, a female student mentioned that she had studied one summer in England and the instructor there told her that he never used young male students. He said there were "too many problems". She never explained, but I can only assume that there were too many erections.

I never had a full blown erection in class, but i got so close to it, that anyone in the room should have been able to tell. With a little experience, you can tell where someone is looking, and if you notice that a girl is drawing the penis, the penis wants to grow. I had to do the alphabet backwards.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 15:51:33 02/07/07 Wed

I just recently turned eighteen and work in a local bookshop. The manager and his assistant were telling me how to arrange some art books . The undermanager opened one book and showed it to me suggesting that he wanted it displayed in such a way or I could choose another page .
I found a picture of a naked youth holding up a football ,
saying that I had better find somthing else as it was a bit embarrassing .
Both men sort of laughed and said that their was nothing wrong in it and told me that he probably got a nice little bit of pocket money for posing .
Without thinking I replied that though I could do with a little extra I don`t think I could ever do that .
Well they were both in a photo club and some weeks later
the assistant came up to me and said that they were looking for a model and were prepared to pay .
They told me that it was mainly budding male photographers and artists who wanted painting experience and that they had seen naked models before ,and after a couple of sessions and some extra cash I would feel more comfortable about it .
Eventually I plucked up some courage ,thinking of more cash and went one evening to meet their club .
They knew why I had come and were very nice to me .
First I modeled fully clothed to get used to all these men looking at me as they painted and drew me .
Its funny but I began to like the idea of getting my clothes off and showing myself .
As it turned out there were no women present so if anything
happened I reasoned they would all understand .
So the following week and after a longer time spent in the bath I arrived with my mind made up that I would strip naked and let them draw me for arts sake .
I underestimated how hard it was going to be when it came to taking off my underpants and sitting on a chair pretending to be in deep thought .
I always get the obvious problem when doing certain poses but no one seems to mind .

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
char
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Date Posted: 09:56:16 09/12/06 Tue

>Hi Lorraine

Thank you for your candid reply. During your first session did you feel embarrassed being nude in front of people your daughters age?

>
>I am 48 and surprsingly found myself doing nude
>modeling for art classes beginning 4 years ago. My
>oldest daughter then 19 modeled clothes part-time
>while attending a local junior college before moving
>onto a major university.
>
>I have always kept fit playing a lot of tennis and one
>day my daughter came home and showed me an ad in the
>junior college paper requesting mature models telling
>me I should try out. I had been a stay at home mom to
>our 4 children and my husband had been asking me to
>work part time to help out with future college
>expenses for the kids. I had done a bit of lingerie
>modeling when I was in college and the thought of
>posing nude did not bother me.
>
>I asked my husband how he felt about it and he told me
>to "go for it."
>
>The instructor turned out to be a nice woman a bit
>older than me and we hit it off well. I posed for 6
>classes a semester, and the instructor also got me
>part time work helping her in administration. I plan
>to do this 2 more years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Yes, I have worked as a nude model for 2 colleges and
>>the local museum. I started working as a model at age
>>52. Now I feel that I'm getting too old and have
>>retired, but the instructor at one college keeps
>>calling. The classes are at a very small town
>>college, during the day, when its difficult to get
>>non-student models. My understanding is that they
>>have a really difficult time getting models.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Lorraine
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Date Posted: 12:57:11 09/22/06 Fri

Char,

No I was not embarrassed at all..


>>Hi Lorraine
>
>Thank you for your candid reply. During your first
>session did you feel embarrassed being nude in front
>of people your daughters age?
>
>>
>>I am 48 and surprsingly found myself doing nude
>>modeling for art classes beginning 4 years ago. My
>>oldest daughter then 19 modeled clothes part-time
>>while attending a local junior college before moving
>>onto a major university.
>>
>>I have always kept fit playing a lot of tennis and one
>>day my daughter came home and showed me an ad in the
>>junior college paper requesting mature models telling
>>me I should try out. I had been a stay at home mom to
>>our 4 children and my husband had been asking me to
>>work part time to help out with future college
>>expenses for the kids. I had done a bit of lingerie
>>modeling when I was in college and the thought of
>>posing nude did not bother me.
>>
>>I asked my husband how he felt about it and he told me
>>to "go for it."
>>
>>The instructor turned out to be a nice woman a bit
>>older than me and we hit it off well. I posed for 6
>>classes a semester, and the instructor also got me
>>part time work helping her in administration. I plan
>>to do this 2 more years.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yes, I have worked as a nude model for 2 colleges and
>>>the local museum. I started working as a model at
>age
>>>52. Now I feel that I'm getting too old and have
>>>retired, but the instructor at one college keeps
>>>calling. The classes are at a very small town
>>>college, during the day, when its difficult to get
>>>non-student models. My understanding is that they
>>>have a really difficult time getting models.

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[> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Dean
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Date Posted: 14:30:11 09/14/06 Thu

Just curious, why are erections by nude models taboo? I can understand no raging hard-ons, but it seems to me that if figure drawing nude models is natural (ie non-sexual), and erections are natural, what's the big deal with a "little stiffy"?
I've also noted this kind of topic on naturism/nudism boards.

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[> Subject: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


Author:
Laurie
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Date Posted: 08:28:49 02/09/07 Fri

When I was in college, over twenty years ago, it was much, much easier for the instructors to find female models than to find male models.

I was always puzzled about this, given the fact that women have always been considered more bashful than men.

Can anyone explain this discrepancy? Also, does the scarcity of male models still exist even today?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


Author:
Marie
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Date Posted: 10:55:54 02/09/07 Fri

Yes, I guess male models are more rare, Laurie, still today. I have been taking life drawing for four years off and on down here on the Cape. We have probably six or seven female models to every male model. All of us taking the classes are women and several have asked why there are not male models...complained about it really. Our instructor has tried to find them but she says it is not easy to do unless you are close to a college where there are guys who need money. Otherwise, it can be hard to find them.

Whether or not women are more modest than men in general, it is not easy to find men willing to take off all their clothes for a roomfull of women. At least not at 12 to 14 dollars an hour. In fact she told me that male models are often paid more than women models and still they are hard to find!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


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joe
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Date Posted: 12:37:44 02/09/07 Fri

i think it has to do with self confidence. a less endowed man might be shy in front of multiple women, where in front of one, no problem. i have been told that women can have the same problem regarding breast size and looks, which would loosely interpret into same shyness of a male. and in our day and age of body shame and image, that can and probably is a problem, as the "normal" males and females don't "measure up" to porn stars and hollywood people, and most of the "normal" males and females think that the bodies and equipment of porn stars and the hollywood people we see are the references from where the rest of us are compared to. it's real sad that our society places so much inportance in "ideal" body image (what is "ideal"???).
i did pose for an art class when i was in college in the very late 60's, and after the initial embarrassment, it wasn't a problem. what i found is that i was more embarrassed in front of the male class members than the female ones, as i figured they were "sizing me up" in their minds. i'm sure that's a guy thing. i was the only male model that semester, but they had three female models, and several more were wanting to do it.
joe

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[> [> Subject: Re: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


Author:
Art
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Date Posted: 13:18:49 02/09/07 Fri

My wife took art classes and was not aware of any shortage of male models. This was a college town, but the guys were older, 30+. I've seen my wife's drawings of them. This was 10-15 years ago.
With all the CFNM enthusiasts on these boards you'd think the guys would be lined up naked in the hall waiting for their turn.
It is hard work though for the money. Possibly more than concern over genital size (probably 90% of men are within an inch of average) is the fear that they'll get erections. That could get you disqualified at most real art schools.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


Author:
Rodger
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Date Posted: 18:44:59 02/09/07 Fri

Where I have worked, the pay is much better, usually $30 per hour, but when you only work for 2 or 3 hours, the money is still insignificant. I do it because it is difficultm but satisfying work. Guys don't want to do it because it is difficult for young guys to avoid erections, and because men are concerned about size. I'm old enough that erections are not much of a problem, and I have nothing to be ashamed of, size wise. After some experience you can tell when a student is drawing the genitals. For some reason, that's when I experience some swelling.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Are Male Models Still Scarce?


Author:
Randy
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Date Posted: 12:43:22 02/10/07 Sat

Laurie,

You have good point. Many years ago, my stepmom had a close friend Sandra who was an artist and I overheard them talking one day about how Sandra was having a difficult time finding a male model to pose nude.

I asked Sandra how much she would pay, and upon hearing the amount, I offered to do it. And like some of the other comments above, I think most men are shy of their penis size. However, I welcomed the money and the fact that I am averaged sized did not bother me and Sandra was estatic just to have a model.





>When I was in college, over twenty years ago, it was
>much, much easier for the instructors to find female
>models than to find male models.
>
>I was always puzzled about this, given the fact that
>women have always been considered more bashful than
>men.
>
>Can anyone explain this discrepancy? Also, does the
>scarcity of male models still exist even today?

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[> [> Subject: Did Some Female Students Embarrass Their Model?


Author:
Larry
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Date Posted: 15:56:55 02/10/07 Sat

A couple of people said above that one of the reasons men are reluctant to model is the fear of having an erection.

Years ago, I had a girlfriend in college. She once told me about a couple of girls she knew who were taking a figure drawing class. They told her that some girls in the class would do things, "innocently" of course, that embarrassed
the male model.

Ever heard of this happening? Or were they pulling her leg?

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[> [> [> Subject: Are They Trying To Get The Model Fired, Or What?


Author:
Maria
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Date Posted: 04:40:28 02/14/07 Wed

If you mean the girls were doing something to turn on the model, I'd wonder what their point would be. From what I've heard, if this actually happened, the guy would be fired.
No wonder there's a shortage of male models.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are They Trying To Get The Model Fired, Or What?


Author:
joe to maria
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Date Posted: 10:48:44 02/14/07 Wed

hello maria--i'm wondering what a girl could do in class to turn me on. i did nude modeling for a semester or so when i was in college because of the $$, and after the first time appearing naked, it was interesting. myself and the other models i knew never had any erection problems, and i can't speak for them, but i was young (20) and at that age where i was quite interested in all the girls on campus, (and any thought or sight could be stimulating (i said could, not would))but when i was modeling, short of them stripping and coming up and putting their hands on me, there was no problem. i knew what was required of me, and i kept my mind on it. i find it quite interesting that everyone seems to think that a guy can't control his penis. sure, in school, in clothes, guys frequently are uncomfortable with "wood", but many times it is not sexual arousal that is causing it. it can be the fact he is super tired, the pants fit wrong and squash certain blood vessels, clothes are rubbing, etc. you take many of those guys with erections under their clothes, strip them and see what happens, most of them loose the erection immediately. (nerves and/or embarrassment)
the largest sex organ is the brain, not the penis, vagina, breasts, or testicles.
joe

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Did Some Female Students Embarrass Their Model?


Author:
Willie
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Date Posted: 20:06:03 06/16/07 Sat

>A couple of people said above that one of the reasons
>men are reluctant to model is the fear of having an
>erection.
>
>Years ago, I had a girlfriend in college. She once
>told me about a couple of girls she knew who were
>taking a figure drawing class. They told her that some
>girls in the class would do things, "innocently" of
>course, that embarrassed
>the male model.
>
>Ever heard of this happening? Or were they pulling her
>leg?


While attending university in the midwest in the 1960s I met a fellow, a grad student, who told me that he posed for art students at the university. He said that the money was not bad and that he wore a "pouch", sort of a jock strap, while posing. At least half of the life class was female. At the end of the semester one of the girls asked my friend if he would be available to pose privately for three times the money. He said sure. She said that she and a few fellow female students wanted more time with a model but stipulated that he would have to be nude. He said OK.

The sessions were held in the girl's apartment with a total of four girls drawing or painting. My friend said that at first he was a little embarrassed to be nude in front of the girls and posing at their direction. Once he developed an erection and asked if they wanted him to stop. They all said no, they needed to draw erections too. After that they encouraged him to erect and even hired a female model to pose nude with him. This was all done with the consent of both models and it was clear that there would be sexual touching as part of the modeling. One of their poses, he said, was based on Rodin's The Kiss. He said that his female counterpart often would foment an erection, but never an ejaculation, which seemed to be what the art students wanted. They also dated but never had sex. They saved that for the classroom.

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[> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Phillip
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Date Posted: 11:13:24 03/05/07 Mon

What is the oldest subject accepted? Will these art inst. accept individuals with scars from surgery?

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[> [> Subject: Re: art class model


Author:
Rodger
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Date Posted: 12:39:19 03/06/07 Tue

I am 62 and I worked as recently as last year.
I can't imagine that surgical scars would make any difference. it actually might be a plus. I sense that they want a little variety.

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[> Subject: Would He Really Be Fired?


Author:
Leah
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Date Posted: 07:34:22 03/08/07 Thu

Someone implied above that if a male model had a perfectly common reaction during a class he would be fired. Is that true? I've never taken an art class, but if it is true that a man would be fired, I can see why males hesitate to pose.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Would He Really Be Fired?


Author:
Ellie
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Date Posted: 12:57:20 03/08/07 Thu

>Someone implied above that if a male model had a
>perfectly common reaction during a class he would be
>fired. Is that true? I've never taken an art class,
>but if it is true that a man would be fired, I can see
>why males hesitate to pose.

Of course not, Leah! As we both know men get erections at many times, quite naturally, without there being anything other than basic biology implied by their actions. This is just one of those curious myths that some people, mainly men I suspect, like to spread -- probably to justify their own feelings and sexual repressions.

On this topic you might find this story, written by a woman model, interesting. I have taken many life classes with male models and have from time to time seen them sporting an erection. Believe me, the sky does not fall. In fact it adds to the enjoyment of the class for most women.

http://salon.com/sex/feature/2000/11/29/posing/print.html

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Would He Really Be Fired?


Author:
Ellie
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Date Posted: 12:33:13 03/09/07 Fri

Oh, and one other thing, Leah, that I meant to mention. My favorite story about painting classes. I took a life class several years ago which had a male model, quite young and rather good looking. He got an obvious, even upright erection early in the sitting and kept it for most of 40 minutes or so. We all felt that was very unusual, but enjoyed painting him. It wasn't until later that I found out that one of the other students, a young woman about the age of the model, had been out on just one date with this young man recently. So we all concluded that the erection was for her. She never told us what happened next other than the fact that they went out again (and that neither had known that the other was going to be in that class), although we hinted we would like to know, and we never saw him again. Isn't that a lovely story though? I have told that to several friends from time to time and they all enjoy hearing it! And for his part we were impressed that he did not show any embarrassment that we could see. That boy had a lovely naturalness about him and if our fellow student did not take advantage of what she saw I would be very disappointed in our gender!

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[> [> Subject: Why Is It So Embarrassing, Anyhow?


Author:
Carolyn
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Date Posted: 03:00:12 03/10/07 Sat

I've often heard that men are embarrassed when it happens in a non-sexual situation, like posing for an art class or in a health care situation.

Now Ellie has said here that the women in her painting class were "impressed that he did not show any embarrassment" when it happened during a male model's pose.
This confirms that men are usually embarrassed about it.

What puzzles me is why they are so embarrassed. I'll bet most women have the same question. Surely, like the girls in Ellie's class, most women would not be offended.
So, can anyone explain why it is so embarrassing to men when this happens?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Is It So Embarrassing, Anyhow?


Author:
The King Of Crank
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Date Posted: 04:13:08 03/10/07 Sat

>I've often heard that men are embarrassed when it
>happens in a non-sexual situation, like posing for an
>art class or in a health care situation.
>
>Now Ellie has said here that the women in her painting
>class were "impressed that he did not show any
>embarrassment" when it happened during a male model's
>pose.
>This confirms that men are usually embarrassed about
>it.
>
>What puzzles me is why they are so embarrassed. I'll
>bet most women have the same question. Surely, like
>the girls in Ellie's class, most women would not be
>offended.
>So, can anyone explain why it is so embarrassing to
>men when this happens?

Conditioning...because society has told them they should be embarrassed...pretty much the same as the acceptance of the double standard...just a bunch of false information programmed in at an early age and accepted as fact for no real reason except that is the way it is supposed to be.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: They Think It Reveals Their Hidden Thoughts


Author:
Charles
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Date Posted: 10:16:15 03/10/07 Sat

The only times men feel embarrassed are when they are in circumstances that go along with the title of this board.

In an art class or in a health care situation, the purpose for him being undressed is totally innocent.

His reaction indicates to those around him that he has a totally different take on why he is undressed. He feels embarrassed because his mind-set has become very obvious.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They Think It Reveals Their Hidden Thoughts


Author:
Rod
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Date Posted: 09:38:32 03/22/07 Thu

>In an art class or in a health care situation, the
>purpose for him being undressed is totally innocent.

Totally innocent in healthcare?...but sometimes it's not really required. It's unfair to a patient to be exposed to all when it may not even be necessary.

>His reaction indicates to those around him that he has
>a totally different take on why he is undressed. He
>feels embarrassed because his mind-set has become very
>obvious.

Maybe, but then again you don't really know who works in healthcare. I can tell you, knowing some of them not all deserve to be called 'professionals'. So sometimes I can understand why patients don't want to be exposed. Let's not forget there have been cases of sexual misconduct in healthcare and those are only the cases that were reported! So much for the so-called 'professionals'.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Is It So Embarrassing, Anyhow?


Author:
Mick
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Date Posted: 05:15:59 03/12/07 Mon

men get embarrassed for the reason that they are getting turned on in a situation that is nonsexual. He is letting all those women know he is getting excited. The other thing is that most women prefer to see a man with an erection than in the flaccid state. So why not get that erection.

and >I've often heard that men are embarrassed when it
>happens in a non-sexual situation, like posing for an
>art class or in a health care situation.
>
>Now Ellie has said here that the women in her painting
>class were "impressed that he did not show any
>embarrassment" when it happened during a male model's
>pose.
>This confirms that men are usually embarrassed about
>it.
>
>What puzzles me is why they are so embarrassed. I'll
>bet most women have the same question. Surely, like
>the girls in Ellie's class, most women would not be
>offended.
>So, can anyone explain why it is so embarrassing to
>men when this happens?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: What Mick Says Depends On The Situation


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 07:33:36 03/12/07 Mon

What Mick says may be true, sometimes. But in many cases women do not want that to happen. For example, in nudist
environments, like resorts, beaches, and campsites, men are forbidden to let that happen. If it does, they have to hide it, dive into the water, or take a walk until it subsides.

In those types of places, women obviously do not prefer it. As I understand it, if this happens very often, he will be asked to leave and may not be allowed to return.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What Mick Says Depends On The Situation


Author:
Ellie
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Date Posted: 10:09:36 03/12/07 Mon

I do not mean this to sound as critical of you personally as it probably does, but I think you have drunk the Kool-Aid.

Almost all women prefer to see a penis erect, as long as it is not in a threatening situation. If there are tender-aged children about many might also prefer that they not have to explain what "that" is. But barring those two situations all heterosexual women I believe would prefer to see an erect penis to a flaccid penis, even if some might deny it in some circumstances, especially when they feel it is expected of them to deny it. The beauty of the internet is that it is largely anonymous, and we can speak the truth. Trust me on this.

And speaking of beauty consider this: the penis is more beautiful when it is erect. That is its 'natural' state, really -- in the sense of that is what it is designed to do, even if it is not in that state the majority of the time. Plus women, I think we do this naturally, sort of enjoy the sight of an erect penis. By contrast a flaccid penis is sort of shrunken and odd looking. Would a man rather see a deflated, flat and flabby breast, or a nice full and perky one with erect nipples?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What Mick Says Depends On The Situation


Author:
joe to ellie
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Date Posted: 10:44:49 03/12/07 Mon

ellie--maybe you have drunk the kool aid. the natural state of a penis is erect? and it's in the state of what's it designed to do? are we supposed to have sex all the time? if you are thinking like that, maybe you are not getting enough and should examine what the problem might be. what about urination? that is also it's intended purpose. actually if you graphed the number of times urinating vs. sex on a graph, you would find there are many many more urinations than sex for 99.999% of the people.
our nude prude society here in the u.s. is much to blame for all these ridiculous ideas. sex is very natural and normal, and people who think it is not, are considerably past the nude prude stage. and the idea of kids not being sexual beings until they are of legal age is a very stupid idea.
it would be interesting to see the public reaction to an art class who had a nude erect male model and painted him just that way. most everyone would say it's disgusting (at least out loud), but as you indicated, lots of people would like it, just not say it for fear of ridicule, etc. so you ladies probably won't get much of a chance of erect nude models in college art classes. but i agree with you and mick and say there's nothing wrong with it.
one other thought i think i said earlier somewhere, many males would not agree to model erect due to embarrassment, and that embarrassment is caused by society's influence on men and sex, and what lots of little boys are taught while young, i.e., the bigger your penis is, the more of a man you are. and this latter subject is taught many times just joking around with friends when young, but when they hear it over and over, they believe it.
joe

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What Mick Says Depends On The Situation


Author:
Ellie
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Date Posted: 16:14:23 03/12/07 Mon

I am sorry joe, but what you say is plain silly.

You need a penis to urinate? OK.

But I don't!

Also, I think Barbara is probably right. It is men who create and enforce the notion that an erect penis is obscene, not adult, heterosexual women!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What Mick Says Depends On The Situation


Author:
Hey Hey
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Date Posted: 18:13:05 03/12/07 Mon

>I am sorry joe, but what you say is plain silly.
>
>You need a penis to urinate? OK.
>
>But I don't!
>
>Also, I think Barbara is probably right. It is men who
>create and enforce the notion that an erect penis is
>obscene, not adult, heterosexual women!


You should see how neat Joe can write his name in the snow.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I'll Bet The Men Make The Rules On This Subject


Author:
Barbara
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Date Posted: 14:12:18 03/12/07 Mon

What was said above about nudist places and events is true,I have heard, although I've never been to one.

But if what Ellie says is true about women's preferences,
then I'll bet it is the men, not the women, who have made the rules about hiding it, jumping in the water, or taking a walk. What if they took a secret-ballot vote? I think the men who make the rules would be in for a surprise.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I'll Bet The Men Make The Rules On This Subject


Author:
Rebelheart
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Date Posted: 16:15:49 03/13/07 Tue

Barbara, I don't think men are so worried about having erections as much as they are the reaction they will
receive if they do. I too can't not understand why
the nudist community has such a problem on this point.
They should be at the forefront of understanding and
tolerance.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I'll Bet The Men Make The Rules On This Subject


Author:
Rodger
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Date Posted: 20:04:59 03/14/07 Wed

Nudist resorts have a continuing public relations problem since many communities do not want nudists in their area. They are in constant few of being shut down, therefore they go to great lengths to promote the concept that it is a non-sexual environment. If it weren't for the fear, they would be more tolerant of erections.
They frequently do not allow genital piercings since it is believed that genital piercings tend to draw extra attention to the genitals.
I don't go to the nudist resort in my area because I don't want to have to remove piercings.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: They Think Their Women Would Be Offended


Author:
Sharon
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Date Posted: 03:35:58 03/14/07 Wed

As Rebelheart said, one would expect that nudists would be more accepting of the human body and its parts than the rest of the population.

Yet, they have that universal taboo at all the locations where they get together. The reason may be that the men who are in charge sincerely believe that their women members would be offended.

I agree with Barbara that women, in general, would not be offended, as long as the man involved did not do anything
agressive and behaved as he would without it.

Why don't the male managers just ask the women about this?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They Think Their Women Would Be Offended


Author:
MICK
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Date Posted: 05:30:13 03/14/07 Wed

I still have toagree with Ellie. Most women including my wife would much prefer seeing an erect penis than a flaccid one. My wife and I have been to Clothing Optional beaches and have seen guys with erections many of whom did not try to hide it. And none were told to cover it up. I don't see the big deal. You get an erection you get an erection. It happens ans sometimes you have no control. In that regards women are lucky. They can get excited and no one would even know. I don't know who said it but men too like an erect nipple and perky boobs more so than a flat deflated boob. I see their point.


>As Rebelheart said, one would expect that nudists
>would be more accepting of the human body and its
>parts than the rest of the population.
>
>Yet, they have that universal taboo at all the
>locations where they get together. The reason may be
>that the men who are in charge sincerely believe that
>their women members would be offended.
>
>I agree with Barbara that women, in general, would not
>be offended, as long as the man involved did not do
>anything
>agressive and behaved as he would without it.
>
>Why don't the male managers just ask the women about
>this?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Clothing Optional Beaches Are Different


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 07:15:40 03/14/07 Wed

At a clothing optional beach, there is no one really in a position to make any rules. The only rules that apply are the laws of the land, plus any etiquette rules that folks impose on themselves.

In a nudist resort or other official nudist area, there is some manager or committee in charge. There are various rules that must be obeyed in addition to the one being discussed her. Often, there is a rule against alcohol, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They Think Their Women Would Be Offended


Author:
tommy
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Date Posted: 08:30:02 03/14/07 Wed

>i go to clothes optional beach with my wife. I have several times over the years got a erection. i do not parade it and no women has ever complain including my wife but i find it a bit awkward. It has happen sometimes when i was dozing on beach woke up and i was erect.
>my wife would much prefer seeing an erect penis than a
>flaccid one. My wife and I have been to Clothing
>Optional beaches and have seen guys with erections
>many of whom did not try to hide it. And none were
>told to cover it up. I don't see the big deal. You
>get an erection you get an erection. It happens ans
>sometimes you have no control. In that regards women
>are lucky. They can get excited and no one would even
>know. I don't know who said it but men too like an
>erect nipple and perky boobs more so than a flat
>deflated boob. I see their point.
>
>
>>As Rebelheart said, one would expect that nudists
>>would be more accepting of the human body and its
>>parts than the rest of the population.
>>
>>Yet, they have that universal taboo at all the
>>locations where they get together. The reason may be
>>that the men who are in charge sincerely believe that
>>their women members would be offended.
>>
>>I agree with Barbara that women, in general, would not
>>be offended, as long as the man involved did not do
>>anything
>>agressive and behaved as he would without it.
>>
>>Why don't the male managers just ask the women about
>>this?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Barbara is Right, A Secret Ballot For Sure!


Author:
Carol
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Date Posted: 05:51:08 03/18/07 Sun

Barbara is right about asking the women via secret ballot.
Why a secret ballot? Because women would not want their men to know that they have no problem with seeing erections.
With a secret ballot, unless it turned out unanimous, each women could say she voted against it. On the other hand, men might not dare allow such a vote because they are afraid of what the result might be!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Barbara is Right, A Secret Ballot For Sure! But why?...


Author:
Ralph
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Date Posted: 13:12:09 03/18/07 Sun

While I don't doubt you, Carol, I wish you would explain why it is that women "would not want their men to know that they have no problem with seeing erections". Why don't they want "their" men to know this?

Thank you.



>Barbara is right about asking the women via secret
>ballot.
>Why a secret ballot? Because women would not want
>their men to know that they have no problem with
>seeing erections.
>With a secret ballot, unless it turned out unanimous,
>each women could say she voted against it. On the
>other hand, men might not dare allow such a vote
>because they are afraid of what the result might be!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Barbara is Right, A Secret Ballot For Sure!


Author:
Mick
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Date Posted: 17:39:09 03/21/07 Wed

My wife has told me she would rather see a man with an erection and actually I thought that was a turn on.


>Barbara is right about asking the women via secret
>ballot.
>Why a secret ballot? Because women would not want
>their men to know that they have no problem with
>seeing erections.
>With a secret ballot, unless it turned out unanimous,
>each women could say she voted against it. On the
>other hand, men might not dare allow such a vote
>because they are afraid of what the result might be!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I've heard & read this *about* nude resorts for years, but never


Author:
Voyer87178
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Date Posted: 22:38:41 06/17/09 Wed

...in the actual regulations when IN one. Does any of these places about which you're <i>'Exposing-The-Fact'</i> that it's so--have a name?

I even read of some un-named nude beach where 1000 Angry Men lay hold of a miscreant on the rise, verily, and after much photographing and rebuking, they thrust him from the place in his uncovered state, amen. The person <i>'Exposing-This-Fact'</i> went ballistic when asked where the place was. He started faux-posting like an irate juvie with crabs, throwing the Q-bomb at everyone, and far as I know the Admin had to pull the plug on the whole board.

So, on this terminally-ill-anyway board I will ask again. Any of these places you know this about--have a name?

>in nudist
>environments, like resorts, beaches, and campsites,
>men are forbidden to let that happen. If it does, they
>have to hide it, dive into the water, or take a walk
>until it subsides.
>
>In those types of places, women obviously do not
>prefer it. As I understand it, if this happens very
>often, he will be asked to leave and may not be
>allowed to return.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I posted that comment 6 months ago; answer comes there none.


Author:
Voyer87178
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Date Posted: 12:51:27 01/16/10 Sat

I see someone has disabled HTML now, I A W the KISS-Principle. Further to get a handle on spambots and faux-posters, "Captcha" is now set. FWIW I applaud that as well.

But I still see no answer to my question below: has this place (in which erection is grounds for rejection) a name? Best regards, all.

>...in the actual regulations when IN one. Does any of
>these places about which you're
><i>'Exposing-The-Fact'</i> that it's so--have a name?
>
>I even read of some un-named nude beach where 1000
>Angry Men lay hold of a miscreant on the rise, verily,
>and after much photographing and rebuking, they thrust
>him from the place in his uncovered state, amen. The
>person <i>'Exposing-This-Fact'</i> went ballistic when
>asked where the place was. He started faux-posting
>like an irate juvie with crabs, throwing the Q-bomb at
>everyone, and far as I know the Admin had to pull the
>plug on the whole board.
>
>So, on this terminally-ill-anyway board I will ask
>again. Any of these places you know this about--have
>a name?
>
>>in nudist
>>environments, like resorts, beaches, and campsites,
>>men are forbidden to let that happen. If it does, they
>>have to hide it, dive into the water, or take a walk
>>until it subsides.
>>
>>In those types of places, women obviously do not
>>prefer it. As I understand it, if this happens very
>>often, he will be asked to leave and may not be
>>allowed to return.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Is It So Embarrassing, Anyhow?


Author:
Rod
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Date Posted: 09:27:13 03/22/07 Thu

>I've often heard that men are embarrassed when it
>happens in a non-sexual situation, like posing for an
>art class or in a health care situation.

>What puzzles me is why they are so embarrassed. I'll
>bet most women have the same question. Surely, like
>the girls in Ellie's class, most women would not be
>offended.
>So, can anyone explain why it is so embarrassing to
>men when this happens?


Those posing in an art class should be used to nudity or else what the hell are they doing it for? In healthcare it's a totally different situation. I think many patients would prefer not to be nude in front of members of the opposite sex that they do not know or maybe trust, but since they have very little choice in the matter they are forced to go through with it. An erection can be very embarassing as it can happen at any time, without much control from the guys. It may happen because the guy is not used to being exposed in front of females and can "feel their stare" or maybe he finds one of the nurses attractive and his penis 'gives it away'. He probably wouldn't want the nurse to know that. Also some guys may not want the doctors/nurses to know that he is sexually aroused and since he's exposed he has no way of hiding it. But sometimes erections 'just happen' and can last a long time.
One of my brother's friends went for a urology/catheter exam a few months back and was embarassed he got an erction in front of the nurses. He's still talking about it now as if he's disturbed.

Women do not understand the male modesty thing because they don't have a penis. This is probably the main reason they only regard modesty for their daughters and not their sons. They identify only with a female's modesty. They will never understand why it is also important to guys.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Is It So Embarrassing, Anyhow?


Author:
bumper
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Date Posted: 18:22:45 07/04/07 Wed

>>I've often heard that men are embarrassed when it
>>happens in a non-sexual situation, like posing for an
>>art class or in a health care situation.
>
>>What puzzles me is why they are so embarrassed. I'll
>>bet most women have the same question. Surely, like
>>the girls in Ellie's class, most women would not be
>>offended.
>>So, can anyone explain why it is so embarrassing to
>>men when this happens?
>
bump
>
>Those posing in an art class should be used to nudity
>or else what the hell are they doing it for? In
>healthcare it's a totally different situation. I think
>many patients would prefer not to be nude in front of
>members of the opposite sex that they do not know or
>maybe trust, but since they have very little choice in
>the matter they are forced to go through with it. An
>erection can be very embarassing as it can happen at
>any time, without much control from the guys. It may
>happen because the guy is not used to being exposed in
>front of females and can "feel their stare" or maybe
>he finds one of the nurses attractive and his penis
>'gives it away'. He probably wouldn't want the nurse
>to know that. Also some guys may not want the
>doctors/nurses to know that he is sexually aroused and
>since he's exposed he has no way of hiding it. But
>sometimes erections 'just happen' and can last a long
>time.
>One of my brother's friends went for a
>urology/catheter exam a few months back and was
>embarassed he got an erction in front of the nurses.
>He's still talking about it now as if he's disturbed.
>
>Women do not understand the male modesty thing because
>they don't have a penis. This is probably the main
>reason they only regard modesty for their daughters
>and not their sons. They identify only with a female's
>modesty. They will never understand why it is also
>important to guys.

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Author:
tester
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Date Posted: 15:27:34 07/18/09 Sat

Testing, please ignore.

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