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Subject: Skinnydipping in the Early 60's


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Artie
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Date Posted: 09:36:55 03/25/07 Sun

Hello everyone. This forum is similar to one that disappeared a year or two ago. I posted my experiences to the previous group, so I thought Id report here. My introduction to non-sexual nudity and the modesty double standard happened in the early 1960s. The family across the street from us had 3 boys and a girl. They allowed, if not encouraged, their boys and any other boys who swam in their backyard pool to do so in the nude. They had their daughter and other girls wear suits. Other parents, including mine, were aware of the situation and did not mind. I wore a suit there my first day, took it off after 10 minutes or so, and never wore one after that. One boy who lived down the street would swim there maybe once a week, always in a suit, but even so his parents had no problem with him---and his sister---swimming with us naked boys.

I did this most every day for three summers. As I recall, my age was 11, 12, and 13. For the most part, it was the most fun I had ever had. It was so neat being able to run around naked in front of the girls without getting into any trouble for it. But, there were a few times when I was really embarrassed, like the day a girl in the same grade and school as me swam there. I also found it embarrassing to swim naked when my mom was there. That was probably because my family was extremely modest.

In the second and third summers a girl a year younger than me came to live with her childless aunt and uncle who lived next door to me (she lived with her parents in another state the rest of the year). She was part of our play group, and it seemed a little weird at times to be playing away from the pool to think that shed seen all of us boys stark naked several times a week.

Anyway, its good to have found this group, and Ive enjoyed reading many of the comments.

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joe
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Date Posted: 17:31:52 03/25/07 Sun

hello artie--the 60's were a great time. i became a teenager in the 60's, lived in central u.s., and learned about skinnydipping through my boy scout troop. back then, skinny dipping was very common in scouts in certain areas, especially rural area with small towns, etc. i was terrified of nudity due to the way i was raised (in an EXTREME nude prude home), and joining the boy scout troop at age 12 got me over that. the first few times, i was too shy to swim naked, so i wore a suit, the only boy or adult there in a suit. i finially got up enough nerve to shed the suit, and after the first 5 or 10 minutes, it was such a liberating feeling, and a great feeling of finially being a "full" member of the troop. that was in the early 60's. now, today, i am still an avid skinny dipper when i can, my family and now grandkids are too.
it is really sad that kids of today can not experience the carefree atmosphere of yesteryear. they are really missing something. i am trying to help my grandkids experience some of the things i did as a kid, in hopes of showing them that the simple things in life are the most enjoyable and most memorable, and do not require a cell phone, internet, or an x box (gasp!).
joe

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Tom to Artie
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Date Posted: 07:21:24 03/30/07 Fri

>Hello everyone. This forum is similar to one that
>disappeared a year or two ago. I posted my experiences
>to the previous group, so I thought Id report here.
>My introduction to non-sexual nudity and the modesty
>double standard happened in the early 1960s. The
>family across the street from us had 3 boys and a
>girl. They allowed, if not encouraged, their boys and
>any other boys who swam in their backyard pool to do
>so in the nude. They had their daughter and other
>girls wear suits. Other parents, including mine, were
>aware of the situation and did not mind. I wore a suit
>there my first day, took it off after 10 minutes or
>so, and never wore one after that. One boy who lived
>down the street would swim there maybe once a week,
>always in a suit, but even so his parents had no
>problem with him---and his sister---swimming with us
>naked boys.
>
>I did this most every day for three summers. As I
>recall, my age was 11, 12, and 13. For the most part,
>it was the most fun I had ever had. It was so neat
>being able to run around naked in front of the girls
>without getting into any trouble for it. But, there
>were a few times when I was really embarrassed, like
>the day a girl in the same grade and school as me swam
>there. I also found it embarrassing to swim naked when
>my mom was there. That was probably because my family
>was extremely modest.
>
>In the second and third summers a girl a year younger
>than me came to live with her childless aunt and uncle
>who lived next door to me (she lived with her parents
>in another state the rest of the year). She was part
>of our play group, and it seemed a little weird at
>times to be playing away from the pool to think that
>shed seen all of us boys stark naked several times a
>week.
>
>Anyway, its good to have found this group, and Ive
>enjoyed reading many of the comments.



Artie: I, too posted on that old board and remember your posts. Did you boys ever talk among yourselves about being naked in front of the girls? Did the others enjoy it also?

I've posted my experience before, but I'll share it again. I rode to swim class with a neighbor boy, his mom and his sister. The boy was my age, maybe a little younger and his sister was 2 yrs older than me. It seems it was summer between 3rd and 4th grade. At the end of class, we would have to shower and dress and the moms and whoever was with them would come in and sit or help the smaller boys while we all showered and changed. I remember my friend's sister sitting on the benches and watching us all walk around naked, some boys even going over to the trough and peeing while naked. I was soooooo embarrassed. The moms were bad enough, but it was really tough with girls near my age there. There were other girls of all ages going in and out, but none that I knew except the sister. It was also weird for me being around her at other times knowing she had seen all of me (and the other boys) in a legitimate setting, with adults' approval, etc. I think that may have been even worse in some ways than when actually naked in front of her, because there was no doubt what she was recalling in her mind. She never teased or said anything, but I could tell she was gloating over it. It seemed so unfair that these moms would let the girls come in and see us naked when we knew we would never be allowed to see the girls. I've not heard of any guy having that weird feeling when in the presence of these girls later while fully dressed, except you and myself. I wonder if other guys have felt that way???

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Matt (UK)
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Date Posted: 03:25:12 03/31/07 Sat

Tom, I have definitely felt that way - I know exactly what you mean!

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Tom
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Date Posted: 07:51:52 03/31/07 Sat

>Tom, I have definitely felt that way - I know exactly
>what you mean!


But, is it in a good or bad way? Can you relate some particular incidents?

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Author:
Rod
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Date Posted: 07:51:09 03/31/07 Sat

>At the end of class, we would have to shower and dress and
>the moms and whoever was with them would come in and
>sit or help the smaller boys while we all showered and
>changed. I remember my friend's sister sitting on the
>benches and watching us all walk around naked, some
>boys even going over to the trough and peeing while
>naked. I was soooooo embarrassed. The moms were bad
>enough, but it was really tough with girls near my age
>there. There were other girls of all ages going in and
>out, but none that I knew except the sister. It was
>also weird for me being around her at other times
>knowing she had seen all of me (and the other boys) in
>a legitimate setting, with adults' approval, etc. I
>think that may have been even worse in some ways than
>when actually naked in front of her, because there was
>no doubt what she was recalling in her mind. She never
>teased or said anything, but I could tell she was
>gloating over it. It seemed so unfair that these moms
>would let the girls come in and see us naked when we
>knew we would never be allowed to see the girls. I've
>not heard of any guy having that weird feeling when in
>the presence of these girls later while fully dressed,
>except you and myself. I wonder if other guys have
>felt that way???

Well at least you admit you were embarassed as I'm sure most normal boys would. I think most boys would be embarassed walking about naked around young girls they see day-to-day. If it was me, that simply wouldn't have happened. I think the moms must've known it was a bit of a weird situation for their daughters to be around naked boys their age so maybe they took it as an opportunity for their daughters to see what boys look like naked, while being a non-threatening situation. Mothers don't seem to understand male modesty or embarassement when it comes to nudity. What do you think would've happened if any of the boys objected to girls being around?

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Tom to Rod
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Date Posted: 10:57:38 03/31/07 Sat

>>At the end of class, we would have to shower and
>dress and
>>the moms and whoever was with them would come in and
>>sit or help the smaller boys while we all showered and
>>changed. I remember my friend's sister sitting on the
>>benches and watching us all walk around naked, some
>>boys even going over to the trough and peeing while
>>naked. I was soooooo embarrassed. The moms were bad
>>enough, but it was really tough with girls near my age
>>there. There were other girls of all ages going in and
>>out, but none that I knew except the sister. It was
>>also weird for me being around her at other times
>>knowing she had seen all of me (and the other boys) in
>>a legitimate setting, with adults' approval, etc. I
>>think that may have been even worse in some ways than
>>when actually naked in front of her, because there was
>>no doubt what she was recalling in her mind. She never
>>teased or said anything, but I could tell she was
>>gloating over it. It seemed so unfair that these moms
>>would let the girls come in and see us naked when we
>>knew we would never be allowed to see the girls. I've
>>not heard of any guy having that weird feeling when in
>>the presence of these girls later while fully dressed,
>>except you and myself. I wonder if other guys have
>>felt that way???
>
>Well at least you admit you were embarassed as I'm
>sure most normal boys would. I think most boys would
>be embarassed walking about naked around young girls
>they see day-to-day. If it was me, that simply
>wouldn't have happened. I think the moms must've known
>it was a bit of a weird situation for their daughters
>to be around naked boys their age so maybe they took
>it as an opportunity for their daughters to see what
>boys look like naked, while being a non-threatening
>situation. Mothers don't seem to understand male
>modesty or embarassement when it comes to nudity. What
>do you think would've happened if any of the boys
>objected to girls being around?


Rod: I think you said it right when you said the moms don't understand the boys' embarrassment. I don't think my friend's mom even gave it a thought. To moms, a naked boy under 10 yo is nothing, I guess, and to them, it's not. She was accustomed to her son being seen naked by his sister, (and probably other girls) so what's the difference? (this is my guess as to her thinking) But to a boy who doesn't even have a sister, it can be a very big deal. Plus, other moms and girls were there, so it was just the way it was done. All the dads were at work, so adult women ran the show. Actually, in later weeks, I started to skip the shower and ride home in my wet trunks, and the mom either didn't notice with all the activity and noise in there or didn't care. That didn't help a lot because the sis had already seen it all, anyway. Plus the other boys were still doing it. I had trouble looking directly at her for years, actually until they moved away.


Artie: How did your new wife react? Some might think it funny, others might be jealous of a woman walking up and saying that like that. She is human and you know she remembered every detail of what she saw.


Have you guys heard of or seen the LIFE magazine article they published in 1941 on schools? It has a photo of the girls' PE class doing exercises in the gym, and includes a full head-to-toe photo of the boys' PE class in the shower, bare butts in full view. Do you think any girls saw that? There was supposedly not one complaint leveled at LIFE, so guys being naked in view of mixed company observers was nothing back then. My experiences, and Artie's, took place early 60's so not much had changed by then. But now, everybody is concerned about male pervs and sex predators so I guess it's different. But I'm sure that's the difference, not the fact that boys are embarrassed to be seen naked by the girls.

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Date Posted: 11:19:07 03/31/07 Sat

>>>At the end of class, we would have to shower and
>>dress and
>>>the moms and whoever was with them would come in and
>>>sit or help the smaller boys while we all showered
>and
>>>changed. I remember my friend's sister sitting on the
>>>benches and watching us all walk around naked, some
>>>boys even going over to the trough and peeing while
>>>naked. I was soooooo embarrassed. The moms were bad
>>>enough, but it was really tough with girls near my
>age
>>>there. There were other girls of all ages going in
>and
>>>out, but none that I knew except the sister. It was
>>>also weird for me being around her at other times
>>>knowing she had seen all of me (and the other boys)
>in
>>>a legitimate setting, with adults' approval, etc. I
>>>think that may have been even worse in some ways than
>>>when actually naked in front of her, because there
>was
>>>no doubt what she was recalling in her mind. She
>never
>>>teased or said anything, but I could tell she was
>>>gloating over it. It seemed so unfair that these moms
>>>would let the girls come in and see us naked when we
>>>knew we would never be allowed to see the girls. I've
>>>not heard of any guy having that weird feeling when
>in
>>>the presence of these girls later while fully
>dressed,
>>>except you and myself. I wonder if other guys have
>>>felt that way???
>>
>>Well at least you admit you were embarassed as I'm
>>sure most normal boys would. I think most boys would
>>be embarassed walking about naked around young girls
>>they see day-to-day. If it was me, that simply
>>wouldn't have happened. I think the moms must've known
>>it was a bit of a weird situation for their daughters
>>to be around naked boys their age so maybe they took
>>it as an opportunity for their daughters to see what
>>boys look like naked, while being a non-threatening
>>situation. Mothers don't seem to understand male
>>modesty or embarassement when it comes to nudity. What
>>do you think would've happened if any of the boys
>>objected to girls being around?
>
>
>Rod: I think you said it right when you said the moms
>don't understand the boys' embarrassment. I don't
>think my friend's mom even gave it a thought. To moms,
>a naked boy under 10 yo is nothing, I guess, and to
>them, it's not. She was accustomed to her son being
>seen naked by his sister, (and probably other girls)
>so what's the difference? (this is my guess as to her
>thinking) But to a boy who doesn't even have a sister,
>it can be a very big deal. Plus, other moms and girls
>were there, so it was just the way it was done. All
>the dads were at work, so adult women ran the show.
>Actually, in later weeks, I started to skip the shower
>and ride home in my wet trunks, and the mom either
>didn't notice with all the activity and noise in there
>or didn't care. That didn't help a lot because the sis
>had already seen it all, anyway. Plus the other boys
>were still doing it. I had trouble looking directly at
>her for years, actually until they moved away.
>
>
>Artie: How did your new wife react? Some might think
>it funny, others might be jealous of a woman walking
>up and saying that like that. She is human and you
>know she remembered every detail of what she saw.
>
>
>Have you guys heard of or seen the LIFE magazine
>article they published in 1941 on schools? It has a
>photo of the girls' PE class doing exercises in the
>gym, and includes a full head-to-toe photo of the
>boys' PE class in the shower, bare butts in full view.
>Do you think any girls saw that? There was supposedly
>not one complaint leveled at LIFE, so guys being naked
>in view of mixed company observers was nothing back
>then. My experiences, and Artie's, took place early
>60's so not much had changed by then. But now,
>everybody is concerned about male pervs and sex
>predators so I guess it's different. But I'm sure
>that's the difference, not the fact that boys are
>embarrassed to be seen naked by the girls.

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Author:
Artie
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Date Posted: 12:54:39 04/02/07 Mon

>>Artie: How did your new wife react? Some might think
>>it funny, others might be jealous of a woman walking
>>up and saying that like that. She is human and you
>>know she remembered every detail of what she saw.

My wife was surprised but took it well. We'd all had quite a bit of champagne by then, which might have contributed to the comment. I just recall being very embarrassed, trying to change the subject somehow.

Yes, "Kathy" saw quite a number of penises over the two summers she spent on our block. Usually it was just the 3 boys and 1 girl from the family with the pool, plus "Kathy" and I, but on occasion other neighborhood boys and the family's cousins swam too, and with few exceptions all the boys swam nude.

One clarification. In an earlier post I mentioned it was "weird" to think that she saw us naked in the pool when we were all dressed later on. What I meant was that in the pool all societal rules of modesty were set aside (well, for boys anyway) but in any other situation nudity was considered a horrible crime that would result in swift and severe punishment.

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Date Posted: 21:52:41 03/31/07 Sat

hello tom--that life article and picture of the boys in the shower was posed. the boys were each asked if they would be in it, and it was very carefully posed as to not show any frontal views. many people think it was just a picture taken by surprise in the shower room.
joe

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Tom
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Date Posted: 06:41:30 04/02/07 Mon

>hello tom--that life article and picture of the boys
>in the shower was posed. the boys were each asked if
>they would be in it, and it was very carefully posed
>as to not show any frontal views. many people think
>it was just a picture taken by surprise in the shower
>room.
>joe



Yes, I've heard volunteers were used. But even considering that, just think how things were back then. LIFE could put that pic of them (not even adults yet) in the publication and nobody thought anything about it. Did all these boys' parents approve? Can you really believe that females of any age (especially teens) would just look at it and pass on to the next page without any sense of enjoyment? I have chatted with several females of all ages that I have met on the internet and every time I give one of them the link to that they respond back with enthusiasm, ooh's and ah's, exclamation marks, etc. I wonder what was said in their school after that came out.

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Date Posted: 10:55:49 04/02/07 Mon

hi tom--i imagine the girls enjoyed the pictures. you are very correct in that no one thought of pictures of naked MINORS being bad back then. boy, today, look-out. legal charges would be flying from all directions.
i would think back then the parents would not have cared, basically leaving it up to their sons if they wanted to be in the picture. even today, i would let my kids be in group picture like that if they wished. of course, i would want to see the picture before it was published, as i would think, all the participants would, too.
i am sure that pictures like that are/were enjoyed by most readers, adult and child, as it was unusual and bold, and most people wouldn't have the guts to be in one, even though down deep, they would have a desire, as it is "bold". but, nude prudes abound!! :)
joe

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Artie
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Date Posted: 11:11:38 04/08/07 Sun

>i would think back then the parents would not have
>cared, basically leaving it up to their sons if they
>wanted to be in the picture.

I know the picture well. I bought a copy of the magazine on e-bay a few years back just to have around in case someone thought I was making the whole thing up. I also went to the library one day to read subsequent letters to the editor. There were several letters published about the main article ("Democracy in U.S. Schools"), but no one commented about the naked boys in the shower. On the page opposite the shower photo, there is a picture of a female "corridor monitor." Perhaps coincidentally, or perhaps on purpose by an editor with a sense of humor, the picture of the girl is set in such a way that she seems to be staring right at the boys in the shower! The school, by the way, was Benjamin Franklin High School in Rochester, NY.

I also suspect that the female students, as well as the boys' sisters, enjoyed getting a peek at the male nudity. But in those days, any girl admitting that she took more than a quick glance before turning her head in shock---let alone enjoying the picture---would have been considered a "fast" girl that no decent boy would ever want to date.

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Date Posted: 09:51:53 04/01/07 Sun

>But to a boy who doesn't even have a sister,
>it can be a very big deal. Plus, other moms and girls
>were there, so it was just the way it was done. All
>the dads were at work, so adult women ran the show.
>Actually, in later weeks, I started to skip the shower
>and ride home in my wet trunks, and the mom either
>didn't notice with all the activity and noise in there
>or didn't care.

I have 2 sisters and modesty within the family didn't matter to them until puberty. Though recently, they've become less modest around us again, being in their twenties. I remember as a kid my family went to the beach. I was around 11 at the time and my sister was around 9. Because I had brought a friend along my sister was so embarassed to get changed in front of him. She made such a big deal because she didn't want him to see her naked. My mother had to tell him to turn his face away, even though my sister was wrapped in a towel. Did she tell my sister to turn away when he was changing? No! Thinking back it was because she was at that age when modesty starts to kick in, when puberty starts.

>That didn't help a lot because the sis
>had already seen it all, anyway. Plus the other boys
>were still doing it. I had trouble looking directly at
>her for years, actually until they moved away.

Whats worse is that they do look. If a girl is changing a boy is told to avert his eyes. But when a boy changes a girl stares and is allowed to. And as most guys I'm sure know, when it comes to girls, you can feel their stare. Double-standards, eh?

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Date Posted: 13:16:32 04/02/07 Mon

>Well at least you admit you were embarassed as I'm
>sure most normal boys would. I think most boys would
>be embarassed walking about naked around young girls
>they see day-to-day.

There are a number of factors IMO that enter into whether you're embarrassed or not. For the most part, swimming naked with girls present was not embarrassing. But I was embarrassed if my mother came to swim also and saw me naked. The absolute worst time, though, was when a girl in the same school and grade as me came to swim.

I've mentioned there were a brother and sister who lived on the block who came to swim every couple of weeks or so, and the boy always wore a suit. One day their family had friends over, and all the kids came over to swim. I'm guessing there were 2 boys and 2 girls, plus the brother and sister. To start things off, at least one of the girls screamed when she saw me naked.

All of those 3 boys wore suits. One, or maybe two, of the boys whose family owned the pool were doing something else, so it was just me and the boy closest to my age who were skinnydipping. So right there I felt self-conscious, being one of only 2 boys naked in a pool with 7 or 8 other kids who were in swimsuits.

To top it off, there was the girl I'd known since 1st grade. She of course came over, said Hi Artie, and began asking me why I was naked and wasn't I embarrassed? A couple of years later, at the beginning of the school year, we were assigned seats in a particular class and she sat in the seat in front of me. At some point she turned around and---with an ear-to-ear grin---reminded me that she'd seen me naked in the pool that day (as if I'd forgotten). Groan - - -

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Date Posted: 08:35:26 04/07/07 Sat

>There are a number of factors IMO that enter into
>whether you're embarrassed or not. For the most part,
>swimming naked with girls present was not
>embarrassing.

Maybe this is a difference in generation or maybe an American thing for you guys not to be embarassed, but if I put myself and most of the boys/men that I know I'm pretty sure most would be embarassed swimming naked with clothed girls present. Now if girls were naked too I suppose that would be a different story. That game of 'if you show me yours, I'll show you mine' that many of us played as kids was only done if both the sexes agreed to show their privates to each other. When it comes to just one sex being naked, it just wouldn't happen.

>The absolute worst
>time, though, was when a girl in the same school and
>grade as me came to swim.

I can imagine. It would be unbearable.

>To start things off, at least one of the girls screamed >when she saw me naked.

Just goes to show that not everybody sees that behaviour as normal no matter how used to it you are.

>All of those 3 boys wore suits. One, or maybe two, of
>the boys whose family owned the pool were doing
>something else, so it was just me and the boy closest
>to my age who were skinnydipping. So right there I
>felt self-conscious, being one of only 2 boys naked in
>a pool with 7 or 8 other kids who were in swimsuits.

Maybe you just wern't used to seeing boys wear swimsuits.

>To top it off, there was the girl I'd known since 1st
>grade. She of course came over, said Hi Artie, and
>began asking me why I was naked and wasn't I
>embarrassed? A couple of years later, at the beginning
>of the school year, we were assigned seats in a
>particular class and she sat in the seat in front of
>me. At some point she turned around and---with an
>ear-to-ear grin---reminded me that she'd seen me naked
>in the pool that day (as if I'd forgotten). Groan - - -

She knew that most boys (and even girls) would be embarassed in your situation. I know I would.

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Date Posted: 09:19:23 03/31/07 Sat

>Artie: I, too posted on that old board and remember
>your posts. Did you boys ever talk among yourselves
>about being naked in front of the girls? Did the
>others enjoy it also?

You have to realize that, in their family, it was considered perfectly normal for boys to swim naked in the pool, girls or no girls present. Nudity in the pool was considered a treat, a male privilege. Girls had to wear suits "for obvious reasons," including "not giving the boys the wrong idea," to use two phrases I remember. And you have to realize also, that our nudity was completely voluntary. Any of us could put bathing trunks on if we wanted to. There was a boy who lived down the street who never swam naked when he swam in their pool, even when his sister (or any other girl) was not present.

Everything is contextual, I guess. Our neighborhood was fairly new at the time. One block over there were several houses just being built. The construction crews usually quit in the early afternoon, as in the So. California community where I lived temperatures were over 40C/100F in the afternoon. So we often used the construction site as our playhouse away from the grownups. Late one afternoon, an hour or two after swimming, we were playing in this house, 4 boys and the girl, when us boys announced we were going to strip down and continue playing whatever we were playing in the nude. I suppose each of us was hoping we could persuade "Kathy" to strip as well. As we were getting naked, she stood up, almost in tears, faced away from us, and told us if we didn't put our clothes back on she was going to go home and tell on us. So we did. The next day we were back at the pool, 4 naked boys and "Kathy" in her one-piece, as if were completely normal (which it was, there and then).

The only time I was really embarrassed about being naked in front of her came about 15 years later, when she attended my wedding reception. I hadn't seen her since our swimming days. She laughed and told my wife, "Did Artie ever tell you I saw him naked in the Wilsons' pool every day for two summers?"

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[> Subject: Re: Skinnydipping in the Early 60's


Author:
Andrew
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Date Posted: 05:40:20 06/15/07 Fri

>Hello everyone. This forum is similar to one that
>disappeared a year or two ago. I posted my experiences
>to the previous group, so I thought Id report here.
>My introduction to non-sexual nudity and the modesty
>double standard happened in the early 1960s. The
>family across the street from us had 3 boys and a
>girl. They allowed, if not encouraged, their boys and
>any other boys who swam in their backyard pool to do
>so in the nude. They had their daughter and other
>girls wear suits. Other parents, including mine, were
>aware of the situation and did not mind. I wore a suit
>there my first day, took it off after 10 minutes or
>so, and never wore one after that. One boy who lived
>down the street would swim there maybe once a week,
>always in a suit, but even so his parents had no
>problem with him---and his sister---swimming with us
>naked boys.
>
>I did this most every day for three summers. As I
>recall, my age was 11, 12, and 13. For the most part,
>it was the most fun I had ever had. It was so neat
>being able to run around naked in front of the girls
>without getting into any trouble for it. But, there
>were a few times when I was really embarrassed, like
>the day a girl in the same grade and school as me swam
>there. I also found it embarrassing to swim naked when
>my mom was there. That was probably because my family
>was extremely modest.
>
>In the second and third summers a girl a year younger
>than me came to live with her childless aunt and uncle
>who lived next door to me (she lived with her parents
>in another state the rest of the year). She was part
>of our play group, and it seemed a little weird at
>times to be playing away from the pool to think that
>shed seen all of us boys stark naked several times a
>week.
>
>Anyway, its good to have found this group, and Ive
>enjoyed reading many of the comments.

Indeed, in the pools or seaside girls wore swim-suit, but boys were in birthday-suit. It considered normaly.

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[> [> Subject: Things Sure Change In Adulthood


Author:
Joseph
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Date Posted: 11:37:57 06/15/07 Fri

Interesting that the roles of males and females reverse themselves when they reach adulthood. Grown women are the ones who wear the least, at work, on the street, or at the beach. Men are always covered up. The psychologists may have to be the ones to figure out this turn-around.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Things Sure Change In Adulthood


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joe to joseph
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Date Posted: 11:49:11 06/15/07 Fri

hello joseph--maybe the roles reversed since the boys for the most part were forced into nudity at young ages and the girls were prevented from it.
that's a gross oversimplification, but it might have something to do with it. when i was young, i was in an extreme nude prude home, and until i was 12 and joined boy scouts, nudity was absolutely taboo. from 12 on, i became a naturist because of the scout influence (completely unknown to my parents) and have been one ever since, and raised my family that way. they are still that way and raising my grandkids that way, so at least they didn't change back. they obviously liked it. i'm sure they liked it as it was completely voluntary with absolutely no pressure. (that's the key)
joe

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Things Sure Change In Adulthood


Author:
bumper
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Date Posted: 18:25:33 07/04/07 Wed

>hello joseph--maybe the roles reversed since the boys
>for the most part were forced into nudity at young
>ages and the girls were prevented from it.
>that's a gross oversimplification, but it might have
>something to do with it. when i was young, i was in
>an extreme nude prude home, and until i was 12 and
>joined boy scouts, nudity was absolutely taboo. from
>12 on, i became a naturist because of the scout
>influence (completely unknown to my parents) and have
>been one ever since, and raised my family that way.
>they are still that way and raising my grandkids that
>way, so at least they didn't change back. they
>obviously liked it. i'm sure they liked it as it was
>completely voluntary with absolutely no pressure.
>(that's the key)
>joe
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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Some things don't seem to change


Author:
Voyer87178
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Date Posted: 02:00:28 06/19/09 Fri

People still assume when THEY have a strongly held preference, theirs must be the majority position (and anyone who fails to agree is either dishonest or a coward or worse). I once heard somebody opine: <i>"yes, yes--everybody's marching out of step but you, aren't they?"</i>

Pays to take a breath, sometimes.

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[> Subject: Re: Skinnydipping in the Early 60's


Author:
Bumper
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Date Posted: 20:26:08 08/18/09 Tue

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